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If driving at a slower speed is safer and saves on gasoline, what highway speed limit would you support?

Response Percent Votes
75 mph
 
36% 530
65 mph
 
22% 330
70 mph
 
16% 245
60 mph
 
15% 228
55 mph
 
9% 132
Total 1465

Comments

Curtis Lange 6 years, 5 months ago

Since a majority of people are idiots and cruise in the left or middle lane, I set my cruise at 75 and have a wide open right lane. This helps ME conserve fuel. :) Don't like seeing me pass you on the right? Get out of the lane you shouldn't be in in the first place.

SpeedRacer 6 years, 5 months ago

I have a piece of junk Chrysler product...I'm pretty sure no energy was expended to build that.

KLATTU 6 years, 5 months ago

It's like asking junkies if they want a little or a lot of heroin.

imastinker 6 years, 5 months ago

Arizona - Wind resistance is the big reason that slower is better. Wind resistance increases with the square of the speed, so as you speed up it takes exponentially more power to maintain speed. There is a sweet spot for automobiles, which is typically just in high gear. In most cars this is around 55 mph as well.

wysiwyg69 6 years, 5 months ago

if you want to save gas, buy a car that gets 10mpg better and raise the speed limit to 75 and we can still cut down on fuel consumption

Peaty Romano 6 years, 5 months ago

Drive slow as you want, just as long as you stay out of the left lane. Enforce a left lane for passing only law. No need for a new limit.

John Spencer 6 years, 5 months ago

As Sammy Hagar has said millins of times "I CAN'T DRIVE 55"

gccs14r 6 years, 5 months ago

Yes, because building a new car doesn't take any energy.

gccs14r 6 years, 5 months ago

55, 60, 65, even 70 if it were strictly enforced. Anything's better than 90, which is what a lot of folks drive on K-10.

Bobo Fleming 6 years, 5 months ago

I drive 55 with my Honda Civic Hybrid and get 54 mpg. So all of you guys in a hurry, stop crying about gas prices.

wysiwyg69 6 years, 5 months ago

where does this article say anytrhing about a new car not taking energy to build? I do beleive that in time most cars do go to the scrap yards to be recycled, that would be the time to look into a better fuel effecient model. Ya wanna talk about a joke for using energy, look at the water consumption and pollution and waste of corn in the making of ethanol.

nut_case 6 years, 5 months ago

arizonajh - That is a good question and one that is not simple to answer. As you mention gear ratio, power output, weight, internal friction, speed, aerodynamics, etc all play a part in overall efficiency.The simple answer is that wind resistance increases as the square of velocity. Roughly put, doubling speed is a 4x increase in wind resistance.But based on that simple answer, you'd conclude that the best speed to travel would obviously be zero - and that you should get better mileage driving slowly in town versus fast on the highway - but that is not the case either.We also need to consider "BSFC" or Brake Specific Fuel Consumption of the engine. This is a number for how much power the engine puts out versus how much fuel it consumes. As a general rule about 1/2 way through the RPM range and 1/2 the total torque output is the most efficient point of a gas engine (search for BSFC plot to see some actual maps of different engines)Basically, auto manufacturers try to make the engine most efficient at the points we drive the most...lugging the engine down to very low RPM's actually uses more fuel per unit of power than letting it rev to the most efficient point.So summing these two points, driving at very low speed, constantly changing speed, or stop and go traffic is inefficient due to the engine dynamics, driving at very high speed is inefficient due to increasing air resistance.In a modern, efficient, aerodynamic car, the efficiency difference between 55mph and 75mph is pretty small. Definitely much less than you'd spend on a hotel room due to a national 55mph limit turning 7-8 hour interstate trip into a two day ordeal...or worse yet, causing someone to push on for 14-16 hours behind the wheel only to doze off.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 5 months ago

USA oil cartel executives thank the 35% and say keep the pedal to the medal for our benefit. We just love wasteful consumers.

nut_case 6 years, 5 months ago

Studies have shown lane courtesy, (stay right unless you are passing), proper following distance (two seconds), and attentive driving (stay off the cell phone) are much more important for safety than simple speed. Unfortunately, enforcement is done for money, so it is easier to set back and pull a trigger on the radar gun than to actually observe how someone is driving. Worst of all is the "speed trap" where cops set just over a hill or behind a fence and blip the radar as you peek into view...they have absolutely no clue how your were driving - only your speed for the second they see you.There is no law against slowing down now...just stay in the right lane. Plus, very few roads around are posted higher than 55mph now, so the fuel savings is pretty much a pipe dream. This is simply a way to add additional road tax to a select few drivers.

twaldaisy 6 years, 5 months ago

Keep it where it is. I have slowed down to 69 mph on 10 hiway and have upped my mileage to 30 mpg with a 6 cyclinder. And yes, I stay in the right lane out of the way. Amazingly though I still have to pass people, but try to do so quickly so others can continue to do 80 in their SUVs. What bugs me is 59 hiway, it is 55 yet people won't even drive 55 on it. Jeez at the very least go the speed limit.

SettingTheRecordStraight 6 years, 5 months ago

Reduce fines for speeding (they're just a tax). With increased vehicle safety features, we can safely increase interstate speed limits to 75 mph.Get rid of CAFE standards. What right does the government have to tell a private business that it must produce products that meet an arbitrary efficiency standard?

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

Curt: "Don't like seeing me pass you on the right?Get out of the lane you shouldn't be in in the first place."Yeah... I got yer remedy right here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y1e0s...

Dale Stringer 6 years, 5 months ago

Keep the speed limits the same. I like the fine increase and 5-mph buffer before getting a moving violation. The speed limit is the law. Break the law, face the consequences. If cities stopped more speeders they would have more money from fines for a while because hopefully, people would slow down.

Trobs 6 years, 5 months ago

Nothing I love more then my daily K-10 commute. I drive 65 to and from Overland Park. No matter what I am forced to pass people and get out of the way of others. The amazing thing is no matter how fast I get out of the way of a giant SUV, it's never fast enough for the driver going 80+. It's even sweeter when one mile down the road they hit road construction and are forced to drive 60 or below. Or my favorite, they fly by me getting into Lawrence, and I end up sitting next to them at the Harper stoplight.

HighScore 6 years, 5 months ago

My vote is for no speed limit at all. Being on the German Autobahn was an amazing experience. Not everyone was driving 100+ mph. You have the ability to stay in the slow lone, drive slower and conserve gas if you want, or crank it up and drive that Porshe how it was designed to be driven.

zzgoeb 6 years, 5 months ago

I just drove across Kansas on both interstate and two-lane highways. I drive a sub-compact that averaged over 35mpg for 1400 miles. I drove between 55 and 65mph all the way. I noticed that EXCLUSIVELY the cars that passed me were large, and usually SUV's that were going way over the limit. Now I don't mind if someone goes fast, but in most cases these folks were being reckless. Also, they are using MY share of the resource called gasoline. And I'm sure by seeing comments on this board that they are ALL angry about the cost of gas!!! So which is it you greedheads; a big, fast MANLY SUV, or cheap fuel? Even if you drove a bit slower, you'd save gas, and get there oh, 3 or 4 minutes later, and without endangering everyone else, and using MORE THAN YOUR SHARE!!!

OnlyTheOne 6 years, 5 months ago

WereAllMonkeys actually the left lane cruisers are only breaking Kansas law if they are running slower than traffic.Here's a site that lists current laws.http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.aspThe comment about Florida's is hilarious! And for some strange reason seems fitting.

arizonajh 6 years, 5 months ago

Can someone explain (scientifically) to me why a car gets better gas milage at 55 than 65? Is this some kind of physics constant like the increasing speed = increasing mass so no light speed (E=mc2 i think) thing? Why not 45mph or 35 mph then? It seems to me on it's face that a car should get it's best gas milage at what ever speed it is designed to operate most effeciently at. It also seems to me, curb weight, gear ratios, drag, contact friction etc. would play just as much role as speed. I've never been much on physics (probably why I design highways and not what goes on them) and I know that it unheard of on here to admit that you don't know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, but I am a bit confused. Is 55 the universal constant that it's sold as or is that just the speed "sweet spot" we've designed into our cars? Also is this on some type of a curve for distance traveled. If I drive from my companies office in Phoenix to our office in NYC (say I hate to fly) which is about 2500 miles. At 55mph it would take me about 45 and a half hours, at 65mph about 38 and a half hours (not accounting for stops). Do I still save fuel and pollute less if I'm driving 7 hours longer at 55 (Not to mention the extra cost to me for a hotel for the extra night on the road). Is really just black and white "cars are most effecient at 55mph" or is there a gray area? One other thing, if speed is the danger why is it that the autobaun is supposedly one of the safest highways in the world and yet speeds are far higher on average than on our highways. Can somebody please impart some knowledge on me?

Raider 6 years, 5 months ago

My vote is for a posted minimum speed limit on all state and federal highways. Other states have minimums that are posted. Also, do like Oklahoma and other states and raise the limit to 75mph on some of the larger highways.

MaryKatesPillStash 6 years, 5 months ago

Something for Arizonajh to comment on:Unbeknownst to many, roads/highways are actually built according to their design speed. For instance--when you are traveling around a bend on a highway, the road is superelevated, which allows you to travese the curve without actually having to steer much. The specs to which such a curve is built is largely dependent on the design speed. To build highways to be safe, a design speed must be used for engineers to be able to make conditions as safe as possible.In my work, I have seen municipalities attempt to change speed limits, even by as little as 10mph, but were unable to do so because of the engineering of the road. Believe it or not--roadways are build, and speed limits are posted, not just for your convenience, but for your safety. Changing the speed limit significantly enough to cut down on emissions can negatively impact the safety and function of the roadway.

eel 6 years, 5 months ago

Comment= When ever I'm on the highway I find a drafting partner

Baille 6 years, 5 months ago

"Can somebody please impart some knowledge on me?"Uh....OK. Using the teach-a-man-how-to-fish approach, I would recommend starting with Google. Nice little site. Maybe you have heard of it. I typed in "why do cars get better gas mileage at slower speeds" without the quotes.Turned up a lot of informative sites, including http://www.ehow.com/how_2225755_best-gas-mileage-car.html

arizonajh 6 years, 5 months ago

imastinker (Anonymous) says: Arizona -Wind resistance is the big reason that slower is better. Wind resistance increases with the square of the speed, so as you speed up it takes exponentially more power to maintain speed.Then what about 35mph? Less wind resistance? If efficency is "just in high gear" then what if we change the gearing to say a six speed gearbox instead of five? What if we reduce thru design the wind resistance? I guess my question is if resistance is the determining factor to fuel savings why aren't cars and trucks designed with that in mind? Can you tell me that ten miles an hour slower would save more than the minimizing of vertical surfaces like the radiator, headlights and windshield and reducing the vertical surface of the rear of the car (driving behind a Tahoe is like driving behind a rolling billboard and I assume drag has a somewhat equal affect as resistance) which are design issues. I still feel like we were designed into this 55 limit. Also if it's saftey we're looking for then tell that guy on the Shell Oil comercials on the radio, telling us to save gas by driving 55 on the highway instead of 65 to shut up and that what ever gas you save by driving 55 that others will be burning that much or more slamming on their brakes to avoid you and speeding up to pass you. Driving 55 on a road like 24/40 between Lawrence and Tongie with its blind curves and hills could get someone killed!

zzgoeb 6 years, 5 months ago

Arizonajh-It's simple; by going slower you press on the throttle less; thus less gas is used. This is grade school science!Babboy-It's simple; if you travel 100 miles at 60mph in stead of 50mph you get there 10 minutes sooner...wow, what a difference!!! And if you do it in a BIG vehicle, you are a MANLY man or woman!!! Ah, Americans are such greedhead morons!

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

Actually, for all my complaining about jerks on Kansas highways who exceed the existing limit, whenever I cross the Colorado border, I love the speed bump. Set the limit at the maximum for which the Interstate system was designed, based on curve diameters, banking grades, and surface characteristics... oh, and we may need to adjust downward to accommodate the jerk factor.

John Spencer 6 years, 5 months ago

Here is the next poll;If driving at a slower speed is safer and saves on gasoline, would you do so in the right lane and stay out of everyone elses way or just drive along merrily in the left lane blocking traffic and breaking Kansas law?

texburgh 6 years, 5 months ago

As to safety, I recently spoke to someone who is familiar with the German autobahn. His comment to me was that while you don't see too many wrecks, when you do see one what's left is almost not recognizable as a vehicle. I noticed the same thing in my experience on the Italian autostrada.Efficient or not, extreme speeds do have a downside.

texburgh 6 years, 5 months ago

Other ways to be safer and get better gas mileage:1. Carpool2. Light rail3. Bus4. Telecommute5. 4 day work weeks6. live close to your work7. better gas mileage and/or hybrid cars8. use a bike (and use lanes/paths whenever possible)9. use a "scooter" or moped (and drive defensively)10. consolidate errandsI'm sure there are more.Thank you to nut_case for the excellent explanation of speeds and mileage. I do try to drive more slowly (and I stay in the right lane) but maybe it doesn't really matter all that much given that I am driving a new car. Good food for thought.

Baille 6 years, 5 months ago

Uh. Yeah. Not exactly. Here is the entirety of the statute your site cites. K.S.A. 8-1514. Driving on right side of roadway required; exceptions.(a) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:(1) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;(2) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway, except that any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;(3) Upon a roadway divided into three (3) marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or(4) Upon a roadway restricted to one-way traffic.(b) Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.(c) Upon any roadway having four (4) or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic-control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under subsection (a) (2) hereof. However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the center line in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road or driveway.

imastinker 6 years, 5 months ago

Arizona, the comment above mine is correct. 35 isn't substantially more efficient because you would be changing gears and idling along. The engine may not even be able to warm up properly.The best way to increase mileage is to reduce drag, specifically to wind. Better shielding on the bottom of the vehicle to help airflow down there and keeping the vehicle close to the ground go a long way. Keeping a vehicle shorter would help, but engines are tall and need lots of room under the hood to fit. Oddly, most four cylinder engines are taller than larger v6 or v8 engines, which are wider.More gears and a smaller engine would help, as well as designing the engine to operate in a smaller powerband to work with the extra gears. That said, more gears add weight and mass and at some point will meet a period of diminishing returns. My diesel pickup has a six speed transmission. It allows the engine to run at a respectable speed but still have low gears for pulling a trailer.That said, my 1994 F350 dually with a five speed transmission which runs 2700 RPM on the interstate gets 18 mpg on the highway and my 2006 GMC dually with a six speed transmission and a lot fancier engine management never got above about 16 mpg. It surprised me too. Emisions laws are ruining new car mileage too.

Bobo Fleming 6 years, 5 months ago

My honda will get about 70mpg at 35 but even I the hybrid king have my limits. Hypermilers can get 80 to 90 mpg but they do strange things, like drive on the shoulder, strip out their back seats and even front passenger seat ect.

iLikelawrence 6 years, 5 months ago

let the pocketbook decide not the lawmakers

cds 6 years, 5 months ago

eel (Anonymous) says: Comment= When ever I'm on the highway I find a drafting partner__I always look for a Prius or hybrid Honda to tailgate with my F-150. They always look confused when they try drafting me and I slow down and make them pass so I can draft them. To heck with you 50 mpg without drafting do-gooders, you already get good fuel mileage and you want to help save our planet, so let me in on it, not draft off me.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

I've given it some thought, and, considering the mindset of its frequenters, I think we forthwith should dub the inside, passing lane the "slow" lane.

pace 6 years, 5 months ago

You would save gas and that is a good thing. That 5 minutes you save speeding, tail gating, weaving lanes make you look like a jerk and will maybe kill someone who isn't a jerk.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

I've eliminated fuel costs altogether, using a zen approach.I climb behind the wheel, close my eyes, chant"( and the Mazda goes ) mmmmmmmmmmm"and I'm there.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

Godot: "There is no reason for a speed limit on the interstate and turnpike."Self-limiting approaches to speed control are killers.

Godot 6 years, 5 months ago

There is no reason for a speed limit on the interstate and turnpike.

Godot 6 years, 5 months ago

Merrill, the word is "metal", not "medal." I will hand it to you for knowing it is "pedal" and not "petal."

Godot 6 years, 5 months ago

The Greenies are trying to reign in the autobahn, but they face opposition. Still, their demand is for a 75 mph speed limit for their hilly, curvy stretches of road. Even they would not dare to press for 55 mph on the wide open prairies of Kansas.http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3255827,00.html

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

Back in my day, the Mazdas only went "mmmmmmmmmmm"-and we liked it that way!

cds 6 years, 5 months ago

tangential_reasoners_anonymous (Anonymous) says: I've eliminated fuel costs altogether, using a zen approach.I climb behind the wheel, close my eyes, chant"( and the Mazda goes ) mmmmmmmmmmm"and I'm there.__Close, it's Zoommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Zoommmmmmmmmmmmmm Zoommmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

zzgoeb (Anonymous) says: "Also, they are using MY share of the resource called gasoline."No, they're using their share of the gas. If you want a bigger share, buy more. Or do you also think someone living in a bigger house is using your share of living space?"And I'm sure by seeing comments on this board that they are ALL angry about the cost of gas!!!"Funny, I read the same thread, and the only ones I see that are angry about the price of gas are the whiners like merrill who blame all the world's woes on the comapnies who sell the products we buy."So which is it you greedheads; a big, fast manly suv, or cheap fuel? Even if you drove a bit slower, you'd save gas, and get there oh, 3 or 4 minutes later, and without endangering everyone else, and using more than your share!!!"You've got issues, pal. Maybe you should seek some help?

Crossfire 6 years, 5 months ago

Double all speed limits.Replace Stop signs with "give 'er hell" signs. This would cut the time on the road in half.Less time running the motor.Less fuel used.

gccs14r 6 years, 5 months ago

Most of the people in Europe use public transportation most of the time. Cars are a luxury.

Victoria 6 years, 5 months ago

Why does it need to be legislated and a new law enforced? Why not just let those who want to drive the current speed limit do so and those who want to conserve drive slower? I'm tired of being treated like a mindless ninny by the government and told what to do, when, and how.

zzgoeb 6 years, 5 months ago

notajayhawk,Yeah that works; let's ALL buy more and sooner, so it's a gone quicker! This is "voodoo" economics! As for me having problems, I'm not the one trying to steamroll folks in my 2007 Humongus...where do you park the tank? Driving sensibly, not hogging the road or resources...pretty scary stuff to those who don't care, or share....

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

zzgoeb (Anonymous) says: "Yeah that works; let's ALL buy more and sooner, so it's a gone quicker! This is "voodoo" economics! As for me having problems, I'm not the one trying to steamroll folks in my 2007 Humongus:where do you park the tank? Driving sensibly, not hogging the road or resources:pretty scary stuff to those who don't care, or share:."And what exactly are we saving it for? I thought everyone was saying we need to find alternative sources of energy - and I agree with that, and have no problem with it. One way or the other that's going to be a necessity sooner or later, one way or the other somebody's going to be using up the rest of the gas and making the transition to alternatives, why shouldn't we use it while we have it? You think there will be some historical value to preserve it for, maybe we should have preserves for oil like we have wildlife preserves?And yes, you are the one whining. I have no problem with the price or availability of gas. Neither am I the one "steamrolling" anyone in my SUV - I drive a car that gets 34-36 mpg on my daily commute. As for 'sharing,' zzgoeb, why do you think people owe you something, why do you think somehow you're entitled to what I can afford to buy and use? The resources belong to those who can buy them - you weren't born with some god-given right to some share of the resources.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 5 months ago

Governor Sebelius,Reduced speed limit supported by 46% thus far. Some states to the east have 65 mph speed limits which have been posted for at least 25 yearsTrucks have Interstate 55 and 60 mph speed limits in these same states. No lack of truck traffic. It is obvious these speeds are enforced by the convoys using the right lane. No more trucks tailgating automobiles. We returned from Cincinnati a few weeks ago doing hwy 50. Speed limits were 55 and 60 most of the time. Gasoline use was reduced thus less pollution and returned home 90 minutes ahead of schedule. All previous trips from Cincy were on the interstate. Traveling hwy 50 was way more interesting and beautiful. Hwy 50 was minus big time truck traffic.....YES!

vega 6 years, 5 months ago

Victoria (Anonymous) says:"Why does it need to be legislated and a new law enforced? Why not just let those who want to drive the current speed limit do so and those who want to conserve drive slower? I'm tired of being treated like a mindless ninny by the government and told what to do, when, and how."I agree, I always wanted to drive in the opposite lane against the traffic but the stupid government won't let me.

RedwoodCoast 6 years, 5 months ago

Maybe they're just trying to make speeders out of more people so that they can collect more fines to fund law enforcement.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 5 months ago

Is That Middle Initial "T"?: "The most effective thing that can be done is slow people down so when there is an accident it isn't as severe until we are willing to learn how to drive and learn how to respect the laws."It's amazing to me how limited drivers' spheres of consciousness seem to be. Simple case in point...I'm commuting across town on one of the major thoroughfares. People are hitting the high side of a 40 mph speed limit. Ahead in the road, two cars are traveling side-by-side, obstructing ( as it were ) traffic behind. I follow at a comfortable 4-ish car lengths. A driver passes me on the left, closing on the two vehicles ahead until his vehicle is less than a single car length from them. We bunch up at the traffic lights, and then this scenario is repeated, sometimes for miles.What is this mentality that dictates "if I'm not riding the bumper of the car ahead, then I'm not getting there fast enough?" Whether following at a distance or unsafely at only a car length, you simply can't get there any faster.Of course, this is the scenario which we see played out consistently on highways with almost twice the speed limit.Maybe, beyond teaching the simple mechanics of driving, we ought to be fostering broader spheres of consciousness, especially regarding fruitless mindsets/behaviors which can contribute to life-altering outcomes.All it takes is a single pileup for one to have to pay back all those minutes seemingly stolen while exceeding the speed limit and tailgating.

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

(continued)"No, 59 is a perfect example of how you support many more millions of dollars going into roads that don't need anything except drivers that aren't driving in violation of the law while you also don't want to provide options for people who might not want to risk their lives on the roads or can drive so if you get stuck behind an old couple on 59 going 45mph remember they don't have an other option."Why, jackie, you drive on Route 59? More than 5 miles from your home? I'm shocked. How greedy, immature, unethical, and immoral of you to waste resources.And what other options are you talking about, jackie? Bicycles? Lots of people ride from Lawrence to Ottawa on bikes on a daily basis, do they? Oh, I forgot, trains. So, let me get this straight: You say there aren't enough cars on the road to justify road improvements, but somehow the even smaller number who would ride a train would justify the expense of running a rail line? You truly are deranged, jackie.And seriously jackie boy - I mean seriously - you really are going to claim that a bicyclist has never been the cause of a traffic accident? No, jackie, I don't mean a bicycle vs. automobile accident where the driver of the car was killed. Just like the old couple crawling along Route 59 at 25 mph, jackie, they may never have so much as scratched the paint on their own vehicle, but that doesn't mean they haven't been the cause of serious damage to other vehicles/drivers/passengers. But keep on telling yourself that the proponents of the 'alternatives' you speak of are never at fault. And you wonder why nobody takes your ramblings seriously.By the way, jackie, when was the last time a train-car collision injured the train operator more than the driver of the car? I guess if we're talking about the relative potential for damage, trains are just too dangerous to allow anywhere in populated areas.

Curtis Lange 6 years, 5 months ago

Just drove to Oklahoma City and back yesterday with the cruise set at 80 mph. Average MPG was 31.5; suck that tree huggers. Now, up the speed limit to 75 ASAP.

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says: "Well nota, who knows what may be discovered in the future that may be a better use for the oil. It is a one shot deal that took millions of years to develop and you think we should have the right to just burn it up without any thought."Brilliant as always, jackie-boy. Let's not use it in case there's something else we can use it for later. Sheer genius, jackie.And yes, I DO have the right to use it, as much as I want to and can afford. You have neither the right to tell me (and the 99% of the population I belong to) how much we can use, nor do you have some inherent ownership of the oil that we buy. If you want a bigger share, buy more. If you want to preserve it, then buy it and store it away. Otherwise, as usual, you're just rambling on."59 while dangerous because of the hills and narrow shoulders would not be nearly as dangerous if they were stopping and prosecuting the people who make it dangerous by speeding, passing on hills, tailgating and generally disregarding common sense. We need more severe enforcement of the current rules."Psssst: jackie boy - do you think maybe the current road was safer when there were fewer cars and fewer people? And that, in order to keep it safe, it needs to be expanded to accomodate the increased demand of more people choosing to drive more cars? Again, jackie-boy, if this great conspiracy you constantly blather on about of the 'government' building the roads - unasked for - to encourage more people to drive cars was real, then there'd be excess capacity on our roads. Just a thought - you ought to try one some time."The belief that we rely on the government to build the roads and then just allow anarchy on the highways is totally irresponsible. The most effective thing that can be done is slow people down so when there is an accident it isn't as severe until we are willing to learn how to drive and learn how to respect the laws."Whereas the bicyclists you defend are allowed to travel those same roads, and by law must follow the rules of those roads, without any required training or any type of regulation, not even any mandatory education in what those laws they must follow consist of. As always, jackie, your genius is legend.

vega 6 years, 5 months ago

not to mention the one way streets or 25 mph in urban areas - just let me go where I want to, when I want to, give me a break!

bliddel 6 years, 5 months ago

Kudos to "NutCase" for having the far and away the most rational and reasoned arguments on this thread. He (or She) must be a true professional. I don't complain about the high gas prices, even with my 118 mile commute (because there are no jobs in Lawrence). I do complain about people who continue to perpetrate the myth that speed kills. The 20+ year National Emergency Speed Limit (55) proved nothing except the futility of speed limits posted contrary to the 85th percentile concept, and that American politicians should get the heck out of the business of the destruction of American productivity.For more rational and objective information about driving issues, see www.motorists.org .

vega 6 years, 5 months ago

and get rid off these buses in Lawrence, yes, the KU buses included, everybody drives a car anyway, and all of these buses are empty and ugly

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says: "nota, we have already seen the government, the people's will, ration gas during the war and in the 70's."And what did the will of the people say after the crises were over and gas was readily available again, jackie? Huh? Conveniently forgetting that again?"Yes, there can be limits to you right to own the oil and has been demonstrated already."The difference between those instances and now, jackie, is that in those cases it was the supply that was limited. We have plenty of gas now, jackie, it's just more expensive. There's no embargo, there's no world-wide war using up all the supply, and we have the capability - if the fools would get out of the way and let us get to it - of keeping us supplied from domestic sources for quite some time. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to be able to understand the difference, like the seemingly endless number of other concepts that are well beyond your limited comprehension.And if we're talking about historical precedent, jackie, what should we expect to happen with the (temporary) increase in train and bus ridership in response to the current gas situation? Hmmm?"You still aren't getting it are you."And you never have (and apparently never will). When the government fulfills the will of the people and uses their money to supply the things those people demand, it's a far cry from the socialist paradise you long for where the government overrides that will and tells the people what they can have. Read a book sometime, jackie - if you can, that is.(continued)

notajayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says: "But we still had some of the great generation in charge now it is a bunch of runny nose whiny boomers that want it all like they have their entire existence."Blah blah blah, jackie. You're the one whining, baby. I'm fine with the way things are. You're the one that can't get a sentence out without saying everything should be different (as in your way), back to the grand old days of sacrifice and deprivation, back to the glory days of WWII, back when the 'great generation' [slight pause while I throw up in my mouth a little if you really think that applies to you, jackie] was in charge."Nitwit you just can't understand how you aren't a free market man. The will of the people isn't cause enough for the free market to turn over a project that fundamentally changes the natural transportation options."And yet, jackie, that's exactly what you blather on about, again and again and again. That 'the government' should do exactly what you accuse them of doing, that they should build the infrastructure for more trains and fund more public transportation to entice more people to use them - you know, exactly what your twisted logic says they did with the roads, what you say they shouldn't have done. How many different sides of your diaper can you talk out of, jackie?Here's a deal for you, jackie. You, and the rest of the 1% (that's one percent) of you that ride passenger rail can use the taxes they take from you to spend on trains. The 99% (that's ninety-nine percent) of the rest of us will use our tax money on roads. That fair, jackie boy?"You won't accept it because it works for you in this case when the government steps in, you are a fake. If the same government that builds the roads, because of the will of the people decides we need to drive 55mph how is that different?"Well, for a start, because the will of the people was made pretty plain when they raised that speed limit back up from 55 before. Selective memory again, jackie? Nurses haven't given you your Aricept tonight?"Someday maybe you will discover that all the commuting creating all the tension is fogging your mind and you will see how screwed up your logic has become."Actually, old man, my commute is the second most relaxing part of my day.Laughing at your increasingly desperate, uninformed, unintelligent, dishonest, fabricated posts is the first.

zzgoeb 6 years, 4 months ago

Seems like notajayhawk is making it up as he goes...must be a consultant for the RNC!

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