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Have you been following the Supreme Court’s hearings on the healthcare overhaul bill?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on March 28, 2012

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“Yes, and I hope it’s repealed, too. Anytime the government forces us to pay for something it isn’t a good thing. And I worry about what affects it will have on the healthcare industry.””

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“Yes, I’ve been following it closely, and I’m hoping it will be overturned. I think it sticks to constitutional values not to have it in place.”

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“No, I haven’t. ”

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“A little bit. I know I should follow it more — I know it’s important.”

Comments

Pitt_Mackeson 3 years ago

I've been following KU basketball and that's about it........ healthcare? Psh who cares! Just need the back to last a few more years.....

Liberty275 2 years, 11 months ago

have you seen the 80 mph blonde on youtube?

RoeDapple 3 years ago

I fallow no one, I am a seeder. Well, I did fallow the back forty last year. Seventh year and all that . . .

RoeDapple 3 years ago

They gots some Fallow Deer at a ranch down in Texas, but they look messed up to me. The growed ones have spots like Bambi and the antlers look like a elk's nightmare.Kinda like something created by David Wellington and Dr. Suess.

LadyJ 3 years ago

Got a great laugh when I opened my paper today. There was one of those advertising stickers on it that read: Get guaranteed Porch Delivery, Effective April 1, LJW porch delivery will be offered as an add-on subscriber option with a monthly fee of $5......Standard delivery subscribers will receive driveway delivery service at no additional fee.

LadyJ 3 years ago

Probably not so funny for the elderly or people with disabilities though.

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

If this extra money were 100% going to the carrier, then I'm fine with it. But...!!

Cindy Wallace 3 years ago

Amazing....this used to be something, I thought was deserving of a "TIP" to the carrier. I have to wonder if this additional $5.00 per month will be passed on to that individual??

Liberty275 3 years ago

Shouldn't Merril be spamming the forum by now and Bozo shilling for the liar in chief?

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

So you beat them to the pointless remarks today. Big whoop.

Liberty275 3 years ago

You get second place. Congrats!

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

"The Internet was supposed to open up the process. All it has done is allow people in power to manipulate stupid people into hurting their own interests."

I briefly had hopes the Internet could be a force for good, too...back 20 years ago. And then I quickly noticed something interesting. The fact that anyone could start a bulletin board...meant that anyone could start their own bulletin board and post ANYTHING they wanted on it! Far more important! There would be people who would agree with them!

These were pre-web days and, sure, most people didn't know how to do this. But these early adopters could...and did.

There were many who saw the web as a "force for good". A way to give "power to the people". And...something they genuinely thought they could set rules up for...rules that people would actually pay any attention to. They didn't realize that "power to the people" meant all people, not just the ones that agreed with them.

The naivety of so many of these early adopters was astonishing. No...what was astonishing is how long they held on to their idealistic ideas, even as reality kept slapping them in the face.

What they refused to take into consideration was that people are...gasp...human. We don't all think alike. We don't all act alike. And we, most certainly, can't be controlled by a bunch of techno-nerds who thought they could "make up the rules" for this amazing new world of communication unfolding in front of us :-)

OF COURSE the Internet opened up the process!! But it opened it up to EVERYONE, not just to people who agree with 'us'. And THAT was what so many folks didn't see coming.

People in power have been manipulating "stupid people" into hurting their own interests since the dawn of time. The Internet is merely another tool.

But it's also a tool for the rest of us to manipulate people...or to be manipulated by other people. People have always confused their opinions with the facts. But now there simply countless more places where we can get our own personal opinions validated. We don't feel we have to fact check anymore...not when so many people agree with us already. And that is what concerns me.

Anyway...the Internet was never going to be the idealized resource some folks thought it would be :-( That was just a nice fantasy.

Liberty275 3 years ago

"I hate"

I'm not surprised.

"I hate"

I'm not surprised again.

Katara 2 years, 12 months ago

"Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you. "

Palpatine 2012.

RoeDapple 3 years ago

That's really effed up. They is all freaked up. Buncha flip ups. (Up is my favorite word for . . . ah, forget it)

Liberty275 3 years ago

As opposed to #presidentheliesalot?

rockchalker52 3 years ago

The Supreme Court of RC52 voted unanimously to abstain from further political questions on OTS.

Orwell 3 years ago

It displays the depth of ignorance in this country when someone who "works in healthcare" apparently doesn't understand a simple truth: the current system "forces us to pay" for the inefficient delayed healthcare provided to the uninsured.

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

It's amazing, isn't it? My first thought was "don't you people realize that it will create MORE jobs and give you MORE job security??" Of course, the immediate answer was "Obviously not".

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

I thought it was medical professionals who "provide healthcare"??? That this whole brouhaha is about PAYING for it?

Oh...would you mind pointing us to actual data that supports your claim that "Government involvement in insurance makes costs rise, just like education"? Thanks!

Carol Bowen 2 years, 12 months ago

I don't know about Medicaid, but any senior will tell you that Social Security and Medicare are managed very well. Those systems are not broken, and they are not entitlements. You pay into the system while you are working. Social Security did not cause the huge deficits. Tax cuts and wars did.

The insurance companies claim that health care costs are increasing. Pharmaceuticals certainly have increased their profits. A part of Obamacare is monitoring the premium distributions of insurance companies. 80% is supposed to go directly to health care. Some insurance companies object, because they direct as little as 55% towards healthcare. This was in the news a couple of weeks ago.

jafs 2 years, 12 months ago

Social Security and Medicare are both unsustainable in their current form.

People take more out of the systems than they've paid into them - for Medicare, it's about a 3/1 ratio, which means that people pay about 1/3 of their health care costs into it.

In addition, because the politicians have used the monies paid into those systems for other things, money to pay for benefits is not paid out of money paid into the system - it will come from other taxes.

avarom 2 years, 12 months ago

They Obama care is a joke, the only reason the government wants to get involved in the first place is to DICK TATE what they do not want to pay for when you get sick. And, increase the cost when they feel like it. Just Watch....Your Screwed, Tatooed without the vaseline. Its like the gas prices.....they adjust them when they feel like it....so all we can do is boycott. Stay home watch TV and take care of yourself as best as possible, for the Government is holding all the Cards!! Get your medicine from Canada its cheaper.

Kirk Larson 3 years ago

Exactly, look to Texas. Big tort reform, no effect on health care costs.

Kirk Larson 3 years ago

"Anytime the government forces us to pay for something it isn’t a good thing." Like roads and other transportation systems. National defense. Clean air and water. Safe food. Law enforcement. Public education. Small business loans. Loads of research and development. Public health programs. And on like that.....

Kendall Simmons 3 years ago

Don't forget that it makes the cost of these things go up, too!!

tbaker 3 years ago

Like roads and other transportation systems – compare the quality of a Turnpike to the “government” operated road. National defense. Constitutional function. Listing this one contributes to a strawman argument. Clean air and water – the air and water are dirtier because of the EPA. They enable polluters. Safe food. Would the lack of a USDA inspection suddenly cause your steak to be less-safe? What would happen to the meat market that made people sick? Law enforcement. Constitutional function. Listing this one contributes to a strawman argument. Public education. Compare it to a private education. In fact, compare per-student public school spending to average test scores over the last 20 years and see what you find. Small business loans. Do you imply these would stop if government no longer did it? Loads of research and development. Do you imply this would stop if government no longer did it? Public health programs. Constitutional function. Listing this one contributes to a strawman argument. And on like that.....

Kirk Larson 3 years ago

Roads- The Kansas Turnpike Authority is a gov't agency. Nat'l Defense-Look at Blackwater: private defense, much more expensive and less effective. Clean air & water-you're not serious, are you? Cuyahoga? Lake Erie? Safe food-pink slime would be the least of our worries. No one would know what factory/slaughterhouse bad food came from without USDA oversight and investigation. Law enforcement-your "strawman argument" argument is absurd. We pay for it, is it worth it? Public education-perstudent spending correlates pretty well to performance. Ask Mississippi.Privatize it all and you will accelerate our spiral to plutocracy: only the rich will be educated. Small business loans- the SBA was created because banks were not willing to risk money on start-up ventures. R&D-Big Pharma does not want you to know: they spend more on advertising than R&D. A lot of what they get is from NIH and publicly funded University research like right here at KU. Internet much? Thank DARPA. Public health-again the question is: we pay for it, is it worth it? You think some private corporation would do all things public health agencies do? Cheaper? For everyone? Grow up and get real.

RoeDapple 3 years ago

Freakin' Cathy Hamilton doesn't give a flip . . .

RoeDapple 3 years ago

R.I.P. Earl Scruggs (January 6, 1924 - March 28, 2012)

patkindle 3 years ago

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."

Richard Heckler 2 years, 12 months ago

Paying out of pocket will save thousands of dollars a year. Do medical insurance companies provide health care? NO! Invest smart instead of supporting high rollin executives and shareholders.

The USA does not need the medical insurance industry aka the middleman profiteer.

How are YOUR health insurance dollars spent: 1. High dollar CEO pay packages 2. Golden parachutes 3. shareholders 4. campaign contributions

  1. this industry has 6 lobbyists per elected official = expensive mouth pieces

  2. maybe a corp jet = high dollar maintenace

  3. misinformation campaigns @ $1.4 million a day

Let’s say millions cancel their insurance and begin paying out of pocket. Consumers would save tons of money. Cancel your medical insurance today. The industry is simply corrupt.

Healthy humans seldom spend what they pay out to the insurance industry! If millions dropped their policies not only would they save thousands of dollars annually the insurance industry would faint in disbelief that this many people actually are awake and give a damn.

Paying out of pocket will save thousands of dollars a year. Do medical insurance companies provide health care? NO! Invest smart instead of supporting high rollin executives and shareholders.

Set up a health care investment account or annuity in a credit union or with Consumer Reports. An account that makes YOU money instead of wealthy CEO's. Your health care annuity will NOT cancel out on when the poop hits fan.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 12 months ago

" Cancel your medical insurance today." Have you cancelled your medical insurance in the past few years you've been telling other people to do so? If not, why not?

avarom 2 years, 11 months ago

What about the deductibles chargEs...... for office visits, prescriptions, emergency care and hospital care.....the government NEVER MENTIONS THE COST TO US FOR THOSE!! Sneaky B$%^ards!! The government officals dont have to worry, THEIR HEALTH CARE COSTS ARE FREE for the rest of their life, including their Family. Why should they care about US?? Duh...THEY DON'T!! Pathetic abuse of POWER! While some high ranking offical buying a new car, boat, or house...many poor working class american's who lost their job, or fought for our country... is trying to figure out to pay for there medical costs. Down with Obuma Care, stick in your ear or some place lower where it fits better!!

Richard Heckler 2 years, 12 months ago

The new healthcare law is "going to leave tens of millions of Americans woefully underinsured, with gaps in their coverage like copayments and deductibles, so they’ll still be bankrupted by illness.

And it’s not going to control cost," Woolhandler argues. "So we still need single-payer national health insurance regardless of what happens at the Supreme Court."

  • The problem with the mandate is it’s telling people that they have to turn over their money to the private health insurance industry. There’s also $447 billion in taxpayer money that is going to be turned over to the private health insurance industry.

  • So the bill is strengthening the position of the private health insurance industry, the very industry that’s responsible for $380 billion in wasted healthcare dollars on bureaucracy and paperwork.

  • What’s going on here in Obamacare is we’re saying we’re going to get to universal healthcare by turning over hundreds of billions of dollars to the private health insurance industry, the group that’s been blocking reform and blocking change for decades. So, we’re starting off in the wrong direction here, if we’re trying to start going toward universal healthcare.

  • When it came time for Obamacare, the Senate framework, which became the backbone of the law, was written by none other than Elizabeth Fowler, whose previous job had been vice president of WellPoint, the nation’s largest private insurance company.

  • The insurance industry spent hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying on this bill. They gave hundreds of millions to the Democrats and hundreds of millions to the Republicans, both supporting and opposing the bill, but assuring that voices from the left who supported real universal healthcare, real single payer, were shut out.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/3/27/healthcare_debate_as_supreme_court_hears

Richard Heckler 2 years, 12 months ago

Healthcare Reform Report Card

Let's Compare:

Single-Payer (HR 676 and S 703) Expanded Medicare for All Vs. Proposed Obamacare “Private insurance with Public Option” http://www.healthcare-now.org/docs/spreport.pdf

Richard Heckler 2 years, 12 months ago

"Set up a health care investment account or annuity in a credit union, with Consumer Reports or the Sierra Club. An account that makes YOU money instead of wealthy CEO's. Your health care annuity will NOT cancel out on when the poop hits fan."

Monthly installments equal to the monthly premiums,co-pays and deductibles in this scenario will grow quickly. The thousands paid out to the industry each year goes up in smoke. Some deductibles are large enough that some consumers never get the privilege of using the insurance they pay for.

If a family is under insured it is likely that money is wasted. Look over policies carefully.

Also consumers are denied coverage while the following activity does not cease:

How are YOUR health insurance dollars spent: 1. High dollar CEO pay packages 2. Golden parachutes 3. shareholders 4. campaign contributions

  1. this industry has 6 lobbyists per elected official = expensive mouth pieces

  2. maybe a corp jet = high dollar maintenance

  3. misinformation campaigns @ $1.4 million a day

  4. How about this: Insurers Wrongfully Charging Consumers Billions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062401636.html

beatrice 2 years, 12 months ago

Yes, I am following it, but I still do not know if it will be ruled constitutional or not. I'm glad a decision will be made, one way or another. Like the Supreme Court justices who will be making the decision, either way it goes I will still have insurance.

In the meantime, if the Affordable Care Act is ruled unconstitutional, the "red" states will continue to be, overall, the states with the lowest percentages of people covered by health insurance. Too bad for them I guess. Hope the people in those states like paying for all the emergency room bills of those not covered, because they will continue to do so.

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