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Do you think children of undocumented immigrants should be allowed to pay in-state tuition?

Asked at Hy-Vee, 4000 West 6th St. on January 22, 2011

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“Absolutely, yes.”

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“Yes, education is really important. ”

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“Sure. I think everybody ought to have a chance. Especially people coming from out of the country. ”

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“I’m kind of a toss up on it. I would lean more toward yes and I’ve kind of known people in that situation before.”


hitme 7 years, 5 months ago the country where their parents are legal residents.

b22 7 years, 5 months ago

Agree completely, glad there is a voice of reason on this site. It would be unfair to anyone from out of state to do so.

Bill Lee 7 years, 5 months ago

If they live in-state, they are in-state residents. If they graduate from a Kansas high school, I have no objection.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 5 months ago

I never believed in punishing a child for the sins of the parents, in fact, I consider that concept inhumane.

RoeDapple 7 years, 5 months ago

Sure! Unless they immigrated from Missouri. Or France . . .

Henry_the_liberal 7 years, 5 months ago

Do you think there are some of THOSE people living among us? [Shudder]

lilygrace 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes. If they are unfortunate to live in Kansas, they deserve something.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 5 months ago

No, but they deserve a free bus ride to whichever border their illegal alien parents are being deported across.

Fossick 7 years, 5 months ago

400 more or less. Not sure it's worth arguing over.

notanota 7 years, 5 months ago

Yep. And those student's aren't eligible for Pell Grants or student loans to cover it, so mostly they're at the community colleges and vo-techs.

Olympics 7 years, 5 months ago

If an illegal alien with limited english, few resources, etc... is able to do your job, then you are a complete failure/moron and deserve to lose your job.

independant1 7 years, 5 months ago

about 25% (nearly50% for black teenagers) those looking for work

fan4kufootball 7 years, 5 months ago

Sure - as long as they can find someone to pay their fair share of the taxes it takes to give them the education - because their parents are paying!

fan4kufootball 7 years, 5 months ago

Ooops - because their parents are NOT paying!

ivalueamerica 7 years, 5 months ago

i wonder why people continue to repeat this lie. Only makes you a repeat liar.

The budget and accounting office have determined that illegal immigrants pay a huge amount of taxes, arguable more than they cost the taxpayers.

Why, in God's name, do you feel the habitual need to make up something false to try and make your point. If you can not do it with honesty, you have no business joining the discussion. You fail.

tomatogrower 7 years, 5 months ago

How are they not paying? If they are working with a fake SS number, then they don't dare file income taxes, because they risk being caught, so any tax refunds are kept by the state. Do they travel back and forth to wherever they came from to buy groceries, cars, clothes, etc? Do they commute? If they rent, their landlord pays property taxes, then passes that cost onto the renter. Anyone living in the state, except the homeless, directly or indirectly pays property taxes.

How is it the child's fault that they were brought to this country, possibly when they were so young they had no memory of the home country? Why not make sure they have an education, so they can become productive citizens and pay lots of taxes? They aren't preventing your child or you from getting that same education.

texburgh 7 years, 5 months ago

Could not have put it better, tomato! They do indeed pay taxes and in the case of the income tax, since they likely don't file for fear of getting caught, they actually pay more than required.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 5 months ago

You forget to mention that many illegal aliens work for cash-only and off the books.

Shelley Bock 7 years, 5 months ago

So, snap, let's prosecute the stuffings out of the US citizens who are doing illegal things like paying "cash-only and off the books.". That would sure stop the incentive to come to the US. But, you never mention that fact!

By the way, why not boycott McDonalds and all other restaurants where potential illegals work. Munch on that for awhile.

deec 7 years, 5 months ago

I doubt highly the meat factories are paying cash. Or some construction companies. Or chain restaurants. So the social security tax is also going into the government and will never be paid out. Those corporations that are theoretically paying cash should be the target of Federal enforcement, including fines big enough to dissuade them from recruiting illegal immigrants in their home countries in the first place.

classclown 7 years, 5 months ago

Asked this on another story. Might as well ask it here as well.

Why do universities charge In state and Out of state tuition anyway? Why not just charge the same for everyone regardless of what state they live in?

Boston_Corbett 7 years, 5 months ago

Good question.

And another is why charge tuition at all. What makes higher education different than K-12.

Free public education was the norm as this country grew. Most people's education then stopped at 6th-8th grade. Now, society expects and requires a more highly educated workforce.

Had higher education been more the norm in 1860, the Kansas Constitution might have required free access to college.

akhmatova 7 years, 5 months ago

Because then KU would be a private school. The definition of a public university is one that is subsidized by state education funds. Therefore, Kansas taxpayers subsidize a reduced tuition rate for themselves and their dependents.

davidsmom 7 years, 5 months ago

State and state-assisted public universities get a certain percentage of their budget from the state - i.e. taxes, paid by legal residents of that state. Therefore, it is a benefit from the taxes paid by these residents.

looza 7 years, 5 months ago

make them go into the military first then they get state tuition. Sir yes sir!

tomatogrower 7 years, 5 months ago

Oh nice, then they can drive their children home. Nice role model. Maybe if you drank less, you could afford a better education.

Scott Morgan 7 years, 5 months ago

Our state taxes go for running the schools. Most never ever break even and fund-raising is of big importance. This is for state funded universities only. Private colleges can do what they wish. Some charge out of state, some don't.

The break in tuition is a payback theoretically for parents and students paying state taxes. The out of state tuition is designed to match what the school really needs to charge to break even.

CHKNLTL 7 years, 5 months ago

I think every person should have to pay for their own college out of pocket. Tuition and State/Federal funding could be reduced dramatically if students paid for college alone. People who enroll in college because they are expected to and not because they want to get through an education program quickly to join the job force...there's a big difference in waste of money for these two groups. Colleges are oversized due to all the students who enroll only to drop out and having to fund it themselves they would probably not waste the time trying. Children of Illegal Immigrants should not even be allowed to attend public schools. They should have to pay for their own private schooling, like people did in the old days.

JayhawksandHerd 7 years, 5 months ago

While I agree that many people attending college/university probably shouldn't, it would've been cheaper if Bush and/or Obama forgave aggregate student loan debt instead of bailing out corporations.

TopJayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

The more Washington provides for tuition assistance, the more Universitys charge simply because they can. it is a rip off on several levels.

Randall Barnes 7 years, 5 months ago

why not Obama is an undouumeted imigrant and is president.

TopJayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

I have degrees on my wall too. It is called a thermometer.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 5 months ago

Babb, in case you've not noticed, immigration laws have changed since the beginning of the 20th Century.

booyalab 7 years, 5 months ago

The "we all came from somewhere else" is one of the lamest pro-illegals arguments. By that logic, I should be required to let burglars steal all my stuff because, at some point, it wasn't mine either.

TheStonesSuck 7 years, 5 months ago

Not really. The "we all came from somewhere else" argument is that it wouldn't be wrong for the burglar to steal your things, if, to get those things, you stole them in the first place.

LogicMan 7 years, 5 months ago

It's simple and logical.

If the kids were born in the U.S. or are normalized, then they are U.S. citizens. If not, they aren't, and must pay out of state and have valid student visas.

If are U.S citizens and they have met the legal residency requirement in Kansas, then yes they should pay in state tuition. If not, then out of state.

Ralph Reed 7 years, 5 months ago

Why not mandatory military service for everyone? If not military for some reason, then at least mandatory civil service. 2 to 4 years ought to do it.

Scott Drummond 7 years, 5 months ago

Charge the same rate for children of illegal immigrants who graduate from Kansas high school, but impose a hefty tax on their parent's employer for each child so enrolled This would likely rid us of this controversy (and not a few illegal immigrant job competitors.)

Sunny Parker 7 years, 5 months ago

I want to pay for their health care, food, rent, and any thing else they need, too....

sherbert 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't understand why they don't apply for legal status as required by law and as so many others have had to do. All of our ancestors came in and had to do the same. Why are they given special exceptions? If we didn't file tax returns or have legal status, we'd get the book (law book) thrown at us. Many people are in prison now for tax evasion, it's a crime. If I were living in Europe illegally, I'm sure they wouldn't give me social service benefits and reduced tuition. duh.

tomatogrower 7 years, 5 months ago

Have you heard of quotas? We only allow a certain amount of Mexicans to immigrate legally. We also approve mostly those with college educations. If you were living in Europe illegally, you would probably be one of their many skillful pickpockets. Pickpockets or college grads? Personally I prefer the college grad.

George Lippencott 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes but in conjunction with establishing legal status.

Verdad 7 years, 5 months ago

A vast majority of college students are over the age of 18 and are thus adults. If they are here legally, then they should be allowed instate tuition without regards to the immigration status of their parents. If they are illegals, then they are not residents and should pay out of state if they are allowed to enroll at all.

davidsmom 7 years, 5 months ago

I agree totally. And as a parent, I can tell you that nothing would inspire me to do the right thing (in this case, apply for citizenship or legal residency) than a disadvantage to my child. Instead, allowing the children to pay in-state tuition rewards the parents for breaking the law. If the kids are 18, why can't they, also, do the right thing? Why should we reward them, as well, for following in their law-breaking parents' footsteps?

George_Braziller 7 years, 5 months ago

You're buying into the whole Kobach/Brownback fear mongering xenophobia. Just because a child has parents who are undocumented immigrants doesn't mean that a child who was born in the United States isn't a U.S. citizen.

Try reading the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

Hoots 7 years, 5 months ago

Can we deport the Phelps family back to Kentucky? Romania would be even better but I'd settle for where they came from before they landed here.

sallyone 7 years, 5 months ago

probably not if their parents are here illeagelly.

independant1 7 years, 5 months ago

It's a political game. The greater problem is illegal immigration, it's not being addressed satisfactorily. Politicians avoid dealing with the larger problem w/efforts like 'in-state tuition for children of illegals' and Dream Act. They kick the real problem down the road. Could also be called avoidance.

It's a non issue. Get a grip on the larger rampant problem.

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