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Should people be required to show identification when voting?

Asked at Target, 3201 Iowa St. on February 25, 2011

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“I don’t know. I’m really conflicted on it.”

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“No, if they’re in this country I don’t see the reason for it.”

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“No, I’m a legal citizen so that doesn’t bother me.”

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“Yes, just to make sure you are who you say you are.”

Comments

jonas_opines 4 years, 2 months ago

It won't fix or help anything except Kobach's resume as he ditches us for more influential or lucrative activities. But then, that's probably the point in the first place.

sherbert 4 years, 2 months ago

Of course we should. Everyone gets one vote, we should identify ourselves to receive our ballot. Why would anyone complain about that?

sherbert 4 years, 2 months ago

Nope. I always thought, until recently, that you had to show ID anyway. And I've been voting for a long time.

parrothead8 4 years, 2 months ago

If you've "been voting for a long time," but only figured out recently that you didn't have to show ID, then I'm not sure we can take your opinion as a very informed one. ;)

sherbert 4 years, 2 months ago

I think they did use to ask to see ID.

LoveThsLife 4 years, 2 months ago

I had to show my ID in a different state when I voted. I don't see the big deal.

disgustedagain 4 years, 2 months ago

it's not just ID. it's proof of citizenship. I think having to show photo ID is stupid but I could live with it. proof of citizenship is ridiculous.

Kyle Reed 4 years, 2 months ago

Correction that is the ONLY reason for people objecting. Occasionally you'll get the "well they may be on a fixed income and can't afford it" line of BS. Like the $10 for the ID is going to completely kill their budget for the year. Give me a f'n break.

Nikki May 4 years, 2 months ago

It's $18. You also have to have an address and proof of that address. While I know many here couldn't care less if homeless people don't vote, what about people who don't have bills in their name? Sure there are other things that prove you are a resident, but I can think of reasons you wouldn't be able to produce them. But anyway, it's more than the money that keeps some people from getting an ID.

I actually do have mixed feelings on the voter identification thing.

Liberty275 4 years, 2 months ago

If you don't have an address, you shouldn't be voting anyway. No address means it cannot be determined which candidates or electors you may be allowed to vote for.

true_patriot 4 years, 2 months ago

Obama doesn't get any votes from Kansas. You might want to study the way your country's electoral process works and then learn to think for yourself rather than treat political leadership like a football game.

SinoHawk 4 years, 2 months ago

My only concern is for Americans living overseas (like myself). Given the requirement to show ID for just about everything though, I don't see it as an unfair burden to exercising the right to vote. I have to show ID to swipe a credit card, rent a car, do anything at a government office...

Bill Lee 4 years, 2 months ago

It's no big deal to me since I always carry ID when I leave home. I wish they'd require IQ tests. Then we wouldn't have people like Kobach getting elected.

8ball 4 years, 2 months ago

if they required IQ test,they wouldn't let you vote!

itwasthedukes 4 years, 2 months ago

Yes, would be terrible if only legal citizens voted.

kernal 4 years, 2 months ago

One step leads to another, cheeseburger.

jafs 4 years, 2 months ago

Actually, I believe that Jimmy Carter was involved with an organization that certifies elections as free and fair in other countries, and that organization would not certify ours that way.

That's a problem.

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 2 months ago

Everyone gets one vote. No one is taking that right away, and to ensure a fair election that individuals vote just once, and reduce or eliminate instances of voter fraud (which occurs on a regular basis), it is perfectly w/in reason to have to show ID to vote. Cheeseburger makes an excellent point. I have to show my ID to enter certain buildings, or use a credit card, or apply for a passport. So, since I'm betting you already have some form of ID, that should be good, right? So come up w/a situation where someone has no valid ID but should still vote. How would that be possible? You can't function in this society w/o some form of government ID, and all us LEGAL residents and citizens of the country have social security numbers, so getting an ID should be no problem whatsoever.

beeshlii 4 years, 2 months ago

u mean u did not know this is already going on?

Patriot2 4 years, 2 months ago

Which wrist and when? Can I pick the size of the needle? Blood would be much better. You still have teeth?

This should be law.

Yes. ID required. Maybe special ID's for voters with tattoo numbers on wrists, radio tracking tags and no teeth!

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm on a first name basis with all the election officials in my voting district. Not so much the others . . . I need ID to write a check, pick up my prescriptions, fish, hunt or drive my car. Hell, it's been forty years since I had to show an ID to buy a beer, it'd be nice to get asked now and then. I carry my ID when I walk out to the mailbox. (Well, sometimes) A friend has spent three nights in jail over the years for no other reason than being out late without ID and refusing to tell who he was. Twice he was sober, just needed a warm bed.

Eddie Muñoz 4 years, 2 months ago

Your pharmacy IDs you for picking up a prescription?

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

By law after Feb 1,2011 your pharmacist must have on file or be presented photo ID for dispensing controlled meds

jafs 4 years, 2 months ago

It's illegal to not identify yourself to a police officer?

I thought we didn't have to do that.

Peacemaker452 4 years, 2 months ago

Read it again, the devil is in the details.

The officer must have a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime. Case law also says that the officer must be able to articulate his reasonable suspicion for the detention to be lawful. Also, the last part of the code that requires “an explanation of such suspect’s actions” would not hold up very well to a 5th amendment challenge.

So no, a cop cannot just walk up to you and demand your name and address out of the blue.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Dang autie! Is that what that lump is in my shoulder? I thought it was an implant from when the aliens probed me . . .

Richard Heckler 4 years, 2 months ago

WE do not need special ID that will require MORE of my tax dollars. This is nonsense!! GO away nazi thinkers!!!

A drivers license or a state ID will do all of which are available through the drivers license headquarters as we speak. Medicare card should also suffice.

Otherwise I see nothing wrong with an ID check

monkeyhawk 4 years, 2 months ago

So merrill, still waiting to hear how phenomenal those taxes are that you pay. I'll bet you would freak if you ever got audited.

Stop trying to snow us.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

merill gets the first Godwin flag this morning!

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Sorry snap I only type with one arthritic finger, you beat me to it

Richard Payton 4 years, 2 months ago

What you prefer soft verse's hard? Example soft taco's or hard taco's. Entertaining maybe to some?

independant1 4 years, 2 months ago

the real issue is really the politicians - You brought up an excellent point!!!

Richard Heckler 4 years, 2 months ago

All of us pay taxes. Sales, personal property,income,social security,water and sewer etc etc.

I now question whether Lawrence and Douglas County should allow any of our tax dollars inside the statehouse under the circumstances.

salad 4 years, 2 months ago

Yeah....cause nothing says "freedom" quite as clearly as being asked, "Show us your papers!" at the voting booth. No surprise that conservatards can't see the irony.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 2 months ago

I don't have a problem showing my ID.

I DO think that requiring first time voters to bring their birth certificate to register will make them want to either register as Independents or Democrats because of the hassle factor.

Personally, I don't see any good reason to join either political party.

Money and propaganda has corrupted the system to the point where major reforms are the only solution.

Unfortunately, when you want to get a company back on the road to solvency you have to do painful things and you have to do creative things. You cut everywhere and you pray for talent in the right places. I am not optimistic that our government can accomplish this. Maybe it will take an election and getting rid of people.

I have managed to save some companies in my career. I am most proud of the ones where creativity and initiative brought the best result. In every case, the morale was very low even after we showed tremendous success.

We had to get rid of the complainers. They just couldn't stop complaining and bringing everybody down. Even when their jobs were saved and their futures looked bright. Complaining is a cancer that destroys an organization.

It is the same with government and when people become aligned with an ideology, they stop thinking. Not a good situation.

jayhawklawrence 4 years, 2 months ago

I vote at a Presbyterian Church.

I must not be living right.

nobody1793 4 years, 2 months ago

Can't we just settle all our elections using LJW online polls?

nobody1793 4 years, 2 months ago

Can you rephrase that in the form of a poll?

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Dang . . . I went to the dentist Tuesday too . . . autie may really be onto something here! Anybody else hearing WLS-Chicago in their sleep?

Fred Vance 4 years, 2 months ago

Absolutely yes!!!!! I see no problem with requesting ID. It might reduce some of the voter fraud. I have to show my ID when I cash a check at my bank. I have to carry my driver's license and auto insurance card when I drive. I have to show ID if I get a fishing license. It's just a fact of life... Get use to it people!!!!!

beatrice 4 years, 2 months ago

What voter fraud? Do you have proof of this widespread fraud? And how will people who have mail-in ballots show be asked to show their IDs?

Also, driving and fishing aren't Constitutional rights. Do you need your ID to use your freedom of speech?

However, you may be correct. We may need to get use to political figures asking everyone at all times to carry their ID. Maybe this is why people are saying it isn't necessary now.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Cool! Next time I purchase a firearm I will tell them it is my constitutional right to keep and bear arms so I don't need to show ID! This is working out great, thanks bea!

Kyle Reed 4 years, 2 months ago

Well thank god NOT showing ID to vote is covered in the Bill of Rights. So what is the discussion all about again?

beatrice 4 years, 2 months ago

RoeD, are you required to show your ID every time you go shooting? Are you required to show your ID every time you carry?

A better analogy would be comparing the gun purchase with registering to vote. IDs should be required in both instances. Once that is out of the way, then it is your right to bear arms / vote, and no ID should be required.

Are second-hand sellers of guns always required to get ID? If not, then gun owners have more freedom of the rights than voters.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

I was asked for my hunting license and deer tag while target shooting several years ago. When I told him I wasn't hunting he informed me he would confiscate my guns, vehicle and ticket me if I could not provide them. Was he right or wrong? I don't know. I had them with me, showed them and he went on his way. No big deal.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

And yes, if you carry concealed you better have your permit with you.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Nah, I like a little green growing on the rocks I live on ;-)

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 2 months ago

OK, let's say hypothetically you go and rob a bank, or you bilk a bunch of investors with a fraudulent scheme. What do all of these have in common? You broke the law. By your own logic, you are advocating living in an anarchic state, because you're stating that you can break the law and do what you want, so what point is there in having a law?

Anyway, I'm sure showing a passport would be fine, or a military ID, drivers license, state ID, or some other government issued ID. Really, there is no problem here.

madameX 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm sorry, in your hypothetical world is there no one whose job it is to review registration applications that come in and make sure they contain all the necessary information before approving them? In the real world I believe there is such a person (or persons) and I would think that an application with no SS# and no naturalization # would not result in the person submitting said application becoming a registered voter.

RoeDapple 4 years, 2 months ago

Simple. Show proof of citizenship when applying for drivers license/state ID. Check box indicates citizen/non-citizen. Of course, if I need to show it to vote, then whoever I vote for should show theirs. (By the way, although I am not a fan of the current POTUS, I do consider him a citizen of the US due to his mother being a citizen.)(assumed)

Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

Roe, if you are hearing John Records Landecker on WLS doing boogie checks, you may have a problem.

BigPrune 4 years, 2 months ago

I have no problem showing my i.d. to vote. I guess if I did, then I wouldn't vote. All those in favor of showing your i.d. go out and vote. All those against showing your i.d., (what are you hiding?), stay home. It's the principle of the thing.

BigPrune 4 years, 2 months ago

I went in to vote at a resthome and some lady from another resthome comes in with this huge stack of ballots that had been filled out, said where she came from and where did they want them. THAT made me think how easy it would be to cheat in an election. Living in Lawrence doesn't help.

beatrice 4 years, 2 months ago

And dom is pronounced dumb, so what is your point?

Freedom isn't free, and perhaps the price to be paid for the true freedom to vote is knowing that a very small number of people will attempt voter fraud.

(Not calling you dom, of course, just playing with the sounds of letters within words.)

verity 4 years, 2 months ago

I think this question is misleading. Showing some form of identification is very different from showing a photo I.D. and having to have certain "documents to prove citizenship" in order to register. (LJW did not clarify what those documents were in their February 21 article---just said an amendment was added.)

Autie, so that's why my dentist insisted that I needed a perfectly good crown, which was causing no problems, replaced. Never showed me the x-rays that supposedly proved it. Explains the tinny sound I've been hearing when I chew. Woe and tarnation, now they will know that I'm an elitist and listen to classical music. I thought I was hiding that so well.

dogsandcats 4 years, 2 months ago

I've had to show my ID to vote in states where I previously lived. I was surprised the first time I voted in KS and I didn't need an ID. I don't see what the big deal is, though.. I carry my ID in my wallet which is with me wherever I go anyway. I have to show it for sorts of things, what is one more?

LadyJ 4 years, 2 months ago

Funny that people get upset about this and not the fact that the school district asks for you child's Social Security number. Does going to school get you SS benefits?

ivalueamerica 4 years, 2 months ago

We are stepping ever so closely to a NAZI state.

Minorities are in hiding

Citizens have to show their papers

Unions being busted.

Just like Germany during the 1930´s

Patriot2 4 years, 2 months ago

Minorities in hiding? WHO are the minorities? Citizens should be proud to show they ARE citizens, if you're not proud may I suggest the border to the south. Be sure to take proof of ID with you because they have unique ways of dealing with non-citizens who enter THEIR country illegally. Unions being busted? You mean they are going be treated like the rest of us, equally? Germany during the 1930's? Not even close. YOU still have the freedom to voice your opinion.

ivalueamerica 4 years, 2 months ago

Do we? Under the Bush administration, some of that was eroded. Further, the GOP is trying to silence unions, but maintaining free access to big business, women are being forced to breed against their will, even when raped by their fathers.

Citizens forced to carry papers

People of different color skin or non Christian religions being treated much like the Jews of Nazi Germany in the 30´s

I think it is you that needs to revisit history

Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm buying Godwin flags by the pallet & am still running out.

Ceallach 4 years, 2 months ago

Read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich then get back with us regarding what is and is not a NAZI state.

artwhore 4 years, 2 months ago

are id cards free? they aren't are they? what about old people in nursing homes, they probably don't have IDs. disenfranchising anyone from voting is wrong. i understand the sentiment, but to get on a voters roll don't you have to register? i get a voter ID card in the mail, so that should be enough i think.

Patriot2 4 years, 2 months ago

Have to show ID to buy alcohol, cigarettes, spray paint, to watch R-rated movies, purchase insurance, to get the senior discount, to get a job, open a bank account, cash a check….hell just about everything! What’s the problem with showing ID to vote other than getting caught voting illegally!

sherbert 4 years, 2 months ago

The Constitution allows every US citizen the right to vote. It does not mean any person of any country who walks up to a US poll station and says they wants to vote. You also have to be 18 years of age, should you have to prove that?

madameX 4 years, 2 months ago

That information is included on your voter registration application. If you've already proven it to register, why should you have to prove it again to actually vote?

Peacemaker452 4 years, 2 months ago

Jesse, ID is required to: Purchase a firearm Get a permit for “Lawful Assembly” Get anything done in our court system

So, do you agree that we need to get rid of all the restrictions on these Constitutionally guaranteed actions, or is it just voting that you have a problem with?

del888 4 years, 2 months ago

You don't need a picture ID. Just a phone book. You look up someone's name. Go to the polling place in their neighborhood, and vote using that name. You can do that hundreds of times. This even works for those dang terrorists. Who needs an ID.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 2 months ago

If you pay in cash, I think that will work.

Ceee 4 years, 2 months ago

No need. Responsible public officials from both parties say there is no fraud problem. It's a figment of Kobach's fears. Also, isn't it ironic that it is Kobach and Republicans who are trying to add another layer of government.

Rae Hudspeth 4 years, 2 months ago

There are a lot of people who live outside the mainstream. Are they, who are legal citizens, not to vote?
Let's not forget that a good many of the men (and women) who fought and lost their sanity for your freedoms are living outside that mainstream, and many do not have an ID card, carry a driver's license, some don't even have the means to afford that state ID card.

Would you deny them the right to vote? They can't get a voter card in the mail if they don't have a "valid" mailing address.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 2 months ago

Ask any street person who obtains free legal meds through places like Bert Nash if a photo I.D. is needed.

Yes, they will respond, and they never lose them either. They may claim they don't have one, but they do.

We have local taxpayer paid full time positions dedicated to problems like obtaining I.D.

independant1 4 years, 2 months ago

but then.... Say you volunteered for election commission. Some one walks up to your A-G table and pronounces their name to get ballot. You know that name/person and this is obviously not them.

Shoot first ask questions later? Ask for ID? Give them their ballot?

independant1 4 years, 2 months ago

In AZ is it legal to conceal/carry at polling place?

independant1 4 years, 2 months ago

When I first went to poll to vote the little lady at table looked at me and said you don't live in this precinct anymore, you cant vote here. Registered in that precinct but denied. Still stings a bit.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 2 months ago

pssssst shhhhhhhhhh quiet listen carefully,

the library requires photo I.D. to be issued a library card

Scott Morgan 4 years, 2 months ago

meant my yep comment to go here. oph, you do have a point, sigh.

sherbert 4 years, 2 months ago

response to Snowy Voice - If I were in Italy, I wouldn't expect to be able to vote, just because I was in the country. Nor would I expect to use their health care or in- country tuition at their universities. And if I were arrested there, I would expect to have to show my passport or other identifying documentation (as in Arizona). Just like an underage drinker, are they being profiled if they get carded? Some things require ID and the only ones who would object are the ones who aren't legal.

gl0ck0wn3r 4 years, 2 months ago

I, for one, would like the old-world European connections between the Lawrence Heckler family and the Wichita Koch family investigated. International weapons trafficking, political money and oil? A plant in a local papers designed to make ultra-leftists look crazy and out of touch. Coincidence? To quote Merrill's racist phrase: "no way,jose." [sic]

slvrntrt 4 years, 2 months ago

In MN all you do to vote is show your state ID. You don't have to register or anything. That's how it should be here. There's really no point in requiring people to register.

Jeff Barclay 4 years, 2 months ago

Citizenship must be verified. Without photo and citizenship verification fraud will occur. Ridiculous to advocate any other voting system. Naivete will destroy our democracratic protections. Can't believe any thinking person could think otherwise.

Peacemaker452 4 years, 2 months ago

Coming from the guy who is proudly participating in the “War on Afghan Goat Herders”

BruceWayne 4 years, 2 months ago

if for no other reason just to make sure someone from the dotte doesn't try to sneak in.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

"i have decided to leave the forum. goodbye. i am signing out. SVEN January 29, 2011"

pace 4 years, 2 months ago

I wouldn't mind showing my id except they show my weight on the darn thing and the picture is oddly red. I do mind the current ID won't be sufficient. There is the fake ID problem and we will need new super hard to counterfeit ID and then we will need proof of citizenship. A lot of the republicans have rejected Obama's birth certificate as not sufficient proof of citizenry. Plus we will have to prove it is a valid birth certificate and since a foot print is part of it, I will be slipping my shoes off and submitting my foot, if I haven't lost the foot by putting it in my mouth. DNA just proves you are a person, not you are a citizen. I expect we will have a citizen certification board and , and and.

repaste 4 years, 2 months ago

Absentee ballots. Who? 40% some states

Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

"i have decided to leave the forum. goodbye. i am signing out. SVEN January 29, 2011"

Bud Fuller 4 years, 2 months ago

Of course there is no reason not to have an ID, well unless you are trying to commit fraud.

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