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If the Big 12 breaks up, should KU and K-State stick together or is it ‘every school for itself’?

Asked at Wayne and Larry’s Sports Bar, 933 Iowa on June 9, 2010

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“Stick together and go to the Mountain West conference.”

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“Stay together because they’re really good teams and they should get along.”

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“Stick together because they need (to keep) the in-state rivalry … just in case we lose Missouri.”

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“I think that every school ought to do what’s best for their school.”


Bill Lee 7 years, 10 months ago

Smaller conference with smaller schools will result in smaller crowds. KU-KSU rivalry could be the only sellout crowds if Big 12 collapses.

SpeedRacer 7 years, 10 months ago

What? San Diego Sate, Brigham Young, Air Force.

Tony Kisner 7 years, 10 months ago

Did you Really just insult a seven year old girl? - Tell all your friends cool dude.

puddleglum 7 years, 10 months ago

yeah, she's gotta be at least 25... (roll eyes)

riverdrifter 7 years, 10 months ago


(For some reason I can't/don't double post)

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 10 months ago

They should stick together! I can live without Mizzou, but breaking up the intrastate rivalry would kill some of the fun around here for sure.

"I'll be cold in the ground before I recognize Missourah!" - Abe Simpson

vuduchyld 7 years, 10 months ago

1) It is hard to imagine a situation where it is NOT best for BOTH KU and K-State to stick together. If the Big XII were to collapse, in all great likelihood, if each school does what is in its own best interest, that will lead to KU and K-State sticking with each other.

2) I don't know why nobody seems to be getting this, but TEXAS is the real player, here. There was an article on ESPN about the Chancellor calling the heads of Nebraska and Mizzou and asking them to stay put. Sure, it would be great if the Big XII were to stay together in its current alignment...but the REAL issue here isn't whether or not MU and NU go to the Big Ten. The REAL issue is whether the Texas schools bolt for the Pac-10/16. TEXAS is the money player. If Texas stays, everybody else (besides MU and NU) stays. Oklahoma and Okie Lite can't go to the Pac-10 without Texas. Think about that. Colorado is strapped and in trouble.

3) If Texas stays, that means Tech, aTm, and Baylor stay...that means Oklahoma and Okie Lite stay. It's the Big Nine at the very, very least. Colorado probably doesn't leave, either. If Texas stays, the only teams that might leave would be MU and NU...It's a pretty solid ten teams remaining.

4) Replace MU with TCU. How could they not JUMP at the chance to join the Big XII? They are very competitive and they have a lot of televisions. In all honesty, that's probably a win for the conference. Replace Nebraska with Houston or possibly Memphis...possibly even Louisville. It's probably a downgrade either way you go, but not by much.

5) Here is the kicker...the Big XII then MUST push for a college playoff. Honestly, the Big Ten has been the stick in the mud for the last 5 years because the BCS works for them. They aren't a great football conference, they have no conference championship game, and they still landed Ohio State in that BCS title game several times, looking outclassed and slow most of those times. Studies show that a playoff would likely generate more than $700 million in additional profits for college football. If the Big Ten or Pac-10 doesn't want to play in the playoff, that's fine...let tOSU or USC NOT play for the championship. It's MORE revenue to share for everybody else.

parrothead8 7 years, 10 months ago

Agreed. And I'd love to see TCU and Boise St. come to the Big 12.

PapaB 7 years, 10 months ago

All the realignment is run by TV revenue. The Big 12 has a horrible TV contract and it's catching up to them now. The worst performing Big 12 school (Missouri) made 7 million from the shared conference revenue last year, but would have made 22 million in the Big 10. The Big 12 problem is the difficulty getting a bigger TV contract when the midwest viewership is much less than the coasts. The other issue is that the Big12 likes to share conf revenue in a way that rewards success, while the Big 10 shares more evenly from a bigger pot.

vuduchyld 7 years, 10 months ago

Agreed...which is exactly why the playoff is so important. In fact, check out this perspective. This guy claims that the Big Ten commish basically held out on a football playoff simply to give the Big Ten more power. He has been biding his time for years, allowing football NOT to maximize revenue.

whats_going_on 7 years, 10 months ago

lol whattttttt does that have to do with anything.

whats_going_on 7 years, 10 months ago

I would MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH rather stick with Kstate than Missouri. I hate playing Missouri, it's not fun, everyone is too mean! KState and KU at least have somewhat of a "fun" rivalry going.

Yawnmower 7 years, 10 months ago

CU should join up with CSU, Wyoming, New Mexico, Utah, and Idaho/Montana. Would make more sense.

Replace CU with Arkansas.

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 10 months ago

They should've gotten Arkansas instead of Baylor way back when...

number1jayhawker 7 years, 10 months ago

Exactly hitme.

Why sacrafice KU's chance at still being in a BCS conference just because KState doesn't have the Academics to match KU's?

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 10 months ago

KState doesn't have the Academics to match KU's

Any facts to back that up, or just a hot air leak?

Flap Doodle 7 years, 10 months ago

Too many thin-pancake eaters making decisions.

rumor_man 7 years, 10 months ago

KU & KSU are going to create a league with Wichita State, Emporia State, Pittsburg State, Washburn & Fort Hays State.

It will be called the Federation of Universities & Communities in Kansas. I'd abbreviate it for you but this post would then get disappeared.

fkalich 7 years, 10 months ago

I agree. and would take it a step further, combine all the schools in one, and use that name for the merger, that is Federation of Universities & Communities in Kansas University.

Keep the KU school song though, just change the last line to accommodate the new name.

Ricky_Vaughn 7 years, 10 months ago

From what I've heard today, it sounds like the end of the Big XII may be near:

PapaB 7 years, 10 months ago

If Big 12 stays together, Nebraska could be replaced with a TCU, move OU to north and renegotiate TV deal to something a little better.

RogueThrill 7 years, 10 months ago

Screw K-State. It's been a long time since KU vs. K-State was a big deal.

riverdrifter 7 years, 10 months ago

Agree with the first part only. We are NOT joined with KSUck in any way. Everyone for themself in this war of the money maggots.

jhawks1234 7 years, 10 months ago

Look at it this way. K-State is like KU's little, weaker brother. If a sandlot football game was starting and the Captains (Major Conferences) were picking teams, and the only way one of these captains can pick KU is if they also have to pick K-State as well, KU becomes less desirable because the captains do not want to waste a pick on the little brother. So KU and K-State are left behind to go play on the sideline or I guess they could be picked as the all time center.

TopJayhawk 7 years, 10 months ago

I say let MU and NU go. Try to keep the south in line by proposing this: Invite TCU BYU and Utah to the big 12. You put BYU and Utah in the North, TCU in the South. This would lock up all of Northern Texas, and create another in state rivalry for the 800 lb gorilla with longhorns in the south. Byu has a good football and basketball program, and a natural rivalry with Utah. If Colorado runs, you could also replace them with Boise State.
Or also invite Boise State, and add Houston or Memphis to the list as well. This would make the Big 14.

fancy80 7 years, 10 months ago

what does this do to Misery's chances of going to Big 10? My understanding is that if ND says to, Big 10 probably won't add any more teams at this time. I like the idea of adding Memphis, or UNLV to Big 12.

fancy80 7 years, 10 months ago

oops. too early in the morning. that was supposed to read: if ND says NO to the Big 10, they probably won't be adding any more teams at this time.

oldvet 7 years, 10 months ago

Larry: "One for all" Moe: "And all for one" Curly: "And every man for himself"

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