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Do you think the parties involved in the recent athletic confrontations should be disciplined by the university?

Asked at Wescoe Beach on September 24, 2009

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“I think they should be disciplined by the teams … they’re not being responsible on the campus grounds.”

Photo of Ryan Flanagan

“Absolutely. Two years ago when the Mizzou basketball players got in trouble at the nightclub in Columbia, Mo., they were suspended from sports and the same consequences go across the border to KU.”

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“Oh yeah, for sure. If you’re going to act like that … you’re not above the law.”

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“Yes, I do because, like any of us here at KU, if we get in a fight, especially near campus or on campus, you should be punished for what you did.”

Comments

Crossfire 4 years, 6 months ago

No. No. Hell No!!! If you discipline them now how will they learn that as athletes and celebrities that they are exempt from the rules that the rest of us must follow.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Autie, those golf people have spikey shoes. If they ever get you down on the ground, you ain't getting up.

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edjayhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

How about community service at the women's shelter?

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autie 4 years, 6 months ago

snap, that is about as likely as the tennis team taking on the golf team in a throw down.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Does the rowing club ever rumble with the squash players?

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ralphralph 4 years, 6 months ago

The KU Police should be disciplined for failing to carry out their sworn duty to provide a safe and peaceful campus for all students, rather than to cover up the problems of the athletics money machine. KU Police = shameful.

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OldEnuf2BYurDad 4 years, 6 months ago

"The scholarship halls have rules to living there that make it more easy for them to live among each other, don't the athletic quarters (Jayhawk Towers?)?"

Being in a scholarship hall isn't a perk of having a scholarship. It's not the same.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 6 months ago

i co-sign sgtwolverine. i'm sure the folks in manhattan would appreciate that (even tho you wouldn't be able to get them to admit it!!).

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grammaddy 4 years, 6 months ago

I am so tired of seeing KU athletes get away with damn near anything " for the sake of the team". As long as there are no consequences for their actions, they will continue in this fashion. I remember the days when members of the football team got caught shoplifting out of Weaver's and other places. These athletes represent KU and should act as such. I say punish them both!!

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 6 months ago

Put thugs on the teams and you get thuggish behaviour.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 6 months ago

Disciplined? Of course. I'm also sure that they will be.
In what manner? I dunno. I still have enough faith in the apparent character of both of our coaches to believe that they will enact an appropriate punishment. My guess is some people running stairs, as mentioned above, until they puke and pass out. I'm perfectly fine with that, it's more of a punishment than would be given to any normal student if they were involved in a soft altercation somewhere on campus or somewhere in town.

With regular students, it happens Every Night, probably not just once but All Over Town, and we never hear anything about it, and nothing ever happens unless it moves from soft to hard and someone is truly beaten down. (dislocated thumbs from poor punching technique don't count)

Kids get stupid. Kids fight.

No more story, so why don't we move on?

Oh, and if Taylor reads this: I'll teach you how to throw a punch properly if you can teach me how to shoot a jump shot properly. I can punch through a 2" board.

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sgtwolverine 4 years, 6 months ago

Absolutely: they should have to play for K-State for a month.

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Mel Briscoe 4 years, 6 months ago

yep. 10 lashes w/ a wet noodle. (that's about all of the punishment they'll receive)

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BABBOY 4 years, 6 months ago

I would run the team until a majority of the players throw up.

That is what my coach did when stupid crap like this came up. One person throws up and then it is like dominoes. Those who were not involved do not like running when they were not involved whatever caused the punishment and the ones involved get it from them.

Peer retaliation is affective punishment.

As for the police department, if they have solid information-- which I doubt they do -- then they need to act on just like any other case.

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75x55 4 years, 6 months ago

'Who the hell is John Galt?'

Bearded guy - likes railway tunnels for some reason...

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Aileen Dingus 4 years, 6 months ago

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-paterno052207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Take a page from JoePa.

"Not just the kids that were involved. 'Cause we're all in it together. This is a team embarrassment. I wouldn't call it anything much other than that." and "what apparently bothered coach Joe Paterno the most was how many of his kids were willing to be involved. "

Make everyone on both teams clean both Memorial Stadium and Allen Fieldhouse. As teams. Together.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 6 months ago

"Bailiff"

"Whack their pee-pees!"

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bobberboy 4 years, 6 months ago

You bet. It's time to stop spoiling these young people. Stop the gang mentality and grow up !

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Girfriend was posting a message a minute for hours last night. I suppose that was his lame attempt to hit the 0ne million mark. After he lost, he posted the same message to just about every open thread on LJW.

Epic

fail

for

the

old

coot

.

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autie 4 years, 6 months ago

Multi, my kid is waaay tooo academic to be a Jersey girl. I think she would prefer the pre med or pre law or engineering student before the I was a college star now ain't got no job student.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years, 6 months ago

MD -

I believe you are implying the contest was rigged or that Jayhawk1952 hacked in and knew the counter number.

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rse1979 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm calling shenanigans on LJW. So the question was asked on Sept. 24, 09 (apparently in full daylight), posted and commented upon by 7:38am.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years, 6 months ago

'Jersey Chasers' got these kids all riled up, -prospector

autie, can't you get that kid of yours under control? (we all knew this was going to be trouble)

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autie 4 years, 6 months ago

Prospector is right. Make them run the lines for a couple of hours an evening. Or maybe stairs. I guess there is some real truth to the old adage, "The other players hurt you, somtimes very badly. (see dislocated thumb) First you play because your father wants you to. Then you play to get the girls. If you keep on playing you do it for the scholarships and the girls. Then you get caught fighting with your fellow athletes and then just get to watch the games, and that's not fun.? Nobody like fighting, nobody.

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blue73harley 4 years, 6 months ago

Wildcat and Mizzou fans will be poking fun for years to come. Won't that be punishment enough?

And the best the Fightin' Jayhawks could muster in a "brawl" is a sprained thumb? That will make the opposition tremble.

Jayhawk1952, meet me out by the bike racks! ;-)

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jayhawklawrence 4 years, 6 months ago

I think both teams should be required to do some public service work for a minimum number of hours.

Some suggestions: Trash pickup along highways, city parks and Clinton Lake. Also, United Way could use some volunteers and there are many other related community programs that could use volunteers.

They need to learn that they represent the University of Kansas and the people of this state. They are not babies anymore.

We don't care if you play ball like Michael Jordan or Gale Sayers. If you act like a punk, you're a punk.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 4 years, 6 months ago

Clearly this incident is a violation of Article 22, Section A. Paragraph 1 of KU policy as defined in "The Code of Student Rights and Responsibilities".

But,I am sure KU Athletics will tell The Office of the Vice Provost for Student Success how to procede with sanctions regarding this incident.

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cthulhu_4_president 4 years, 6 months ago

"The couple are never fighting when they answer the door to the cops. But, if there is evidence of a fight, witness's? scrapes? torn shirts? Someone gets arrested."

Only if there is a victim. So far, no one has claimed to be one.

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prospector 4 years, 6 months ago

Word on campus is that a succubus is to blame. 'Jersey Chasers' got these kids all riled up, so what do you expect from testosterone driven meathead jocks. They need to make those boys run and run so they don't have the energy for women and fighting.

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persevering_gal 4 years, 6 months ago

I definitely think there should be some sort of punishment and not just a slap on the wrist. If I threw someone down the stairs or punched someone, I probably would be charged with battery. These boys are lucky that no one is pressing charges...so far.

I saw the fight on Wednesday morning, I felt like I was back in high school. It really made me feel sick to my stomach seeing Jayhawks going at other Jayhawks.

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

Capt Bailey says “there will be no report because there is no evidence of anything happening”> uhhhhh what about Tyshawn thumb? Physical evidence???? No bloody noses? No physical evidence what so ever??? C'mon. this is flat out a cover up. Per KU. In domestic abuse cases, The couple are never fighting when they answer the door to the cops. But, if there is evidence of a fight, witness's? scrapes? torn shirts? Someone gets arrested.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years, 6 months ago

Me? Suggest something as dastardly as that? I was just mentioning how pleasant and safe the comment was, considering some comments had been made prior suggesting the fun it might be if it had happened otherwise.

You don't think LJW would have liked that now would you?

Here are two posts, one right after the other on the thread where the winning comment was made.

Both by the Jayhawk1952 (who I am not accusing of anything BTW). I only post this here because some peeps don't know how to find this stuff.

Interesting..he mentions going to a game with his son. Isn't that one of the prizes?

♦ Jayhawk1952 (anonymous) says...

Since KU football so often wasn't a lot to cheer about my son has been a Husker football fan for years. He is a Jayhawk fan and is very excited about the emergence of the Fighting Manginos. I'd love to be able to take him to a KU/NU football game. He'd love to see the Jayhawks win.

999,978 September 23, 2009 at 11:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Jayhawk1952 (anonymous) says...

Wow! It's getting close to #1,000,000!

1,000,000 September 23, 2009 at 11:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

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mom_of_three 4 years, 6 months ago

What is the punishment for fighting on campus? What would any other student's punishment be for the same activity?
Is someone always charged or arrested when the police are involved?

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autie 4 years, 6 months ago

The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…

Who the hell is Jayhawk1952?

Contact user since Sept. 22, 2009.

Party on Garth...party on Wayne....

On the question, those involved should have to do some "special" training that entails some of the activities utilized in the boot camps. Together. As one team.

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The_Original_Bob 4 years, 6 months ago

MD -

You saying this was an inside job?

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consumer1 4 years, 6 months ago

bondmen, thanks for the freshman year Psych 101 lesson. I think we are aware of the poor kids raised without fathers. These poor kids are given opportunities to do better for themselves and they are spitting on the hand that feeds them. This is just simply arrogance and placeing themselves above everyone else. So, take your first year psychobabble and put in back in the text. This is reality. Or, if you rather, the village raising the children.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years, 6 months ago

TOB

Interesting..signed up 9-22. Safest comment ever..

and right on time.

how....convenient.

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Donnuts 4 years, 6 months ago

People seem to forgive the ones with athletic scholarships more often because they reach the public eye more readily than someone with an engineering scholarship or an art scholarship. There also seems to be the mentality that they 'draw' money to the college and are therefore worth more to the university because people pay to see games and not chess tournaments or art shows.

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Steve Miller 4 years, 6 months ago

The apple does not fall far from the tree. it's in the rearing.

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bondmen 4 years, 6 months ago

Boys raised without a father or by a fatherless fathers most often don't learn how to properly behave in the presence of others. One of the most important factors in a young man's upbringing is an actively engaged father who can show him the best way to go from being a boy (irresponsible and driven by emotions) to becoming a man (responsible and driven to provide for a family).

The liberal plantation has forced fathers out of the house; since the state became the provider the man wasn't needed at home. It is a purposeful destruction of any community where father's are now absent. The results are clear to see for all who have eyes.

See 'The United States of Newark' at: http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/united_states.htm

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Donnuts 4 years, 6 months ago

If the parties are gathering scholarships to go to the school and participate in programs they are held accountable for behavior just like any other students awarded scholarships are held to behavioral rules not just in athletics. Why should the students awarded scholarships based on athletics be held to any different standard? The scholarship halls have rules to living there that make it more easy for them to live among each other, don't the athletic quarters (Jayhawk Towers?)?

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