autie (Anonymous) says…

"Come on comrades, take your head out of the sand."

Good One!

"It was a good thing. I'm still not sure what propaganda folks like be3 are referring to."

You don't? You answered it in the next sentence!

"Work hard and stay focused on your school work and you can have opportunity."

This is Be3 we're talking about. Read his posts.
/or, ya'know, don't.

There was nothing wrong with it at all. They only problem with this "controversy" is that is continued to make the Republicans look like fools.

They should only blame themselves.

What happens if people need to be informed about something really bad. No one believes the Republicans anymore. They look like a bunch of buffoons and that is not a good situation.

I remember when Abe Lincoln spoke at my high school. It was most excellent.

Party on, dudes.

As usual there's been plenty of idiocy to go around on both sides...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

It's time to change us vs them from red vs blue to American citizens vs politics as usual. As long as they keep us occupied with bickering among our selves they get to raid the coffers without consequences.

Smitty:

"This is the speech for your nonsense socialist claims?"

I never said that Obama was a socialist. You making this kind of charge makes me think you might be.

I do think that the "Zcars" currently lining up in the White House, who don't have to go through any approval by Congress or background checks, are not known by many Americans. A recent appointment of Ron Bloom, a union lawyer, as "Manufacturing Zcar" has disturbed me.

Looking into his background, I now have become alarmed and think all Americans should start to take a hard look at some of these people.

Do you think an elite socialist leaning intelligentsia in the white house, advising our president, represents your values?

I am afraid of people who believe so much in their "cause" or their "enlightened world view" that they trample on those around them to create their view of perfection.

It is a historical problem and having a strong two party system of checks and balances is supposed to protect us from tyranny and abuse.

Don't be fooled by wolves in sheeps clothing.

jayhawklawrence,

"Do you think an elite socialist leaning intelligentsia in the white house, advising our president, represents your values?"

I sure feel closer to that than the other "unelected" people advising Bush. Rove, Karen Hughes, Stephen Hadley, Joshua Bolten, they did not hold my values.

Your point would have made a lot more sense if you ragged on every president for their cronyism. Sour grapes. Do you TRULY believe in this day of mass media (most of the loudest controlled by the likes of O'Riley and Beck) that if there were such links to obvious perverters of American Values (whatever the hell those are anyway) they would not have been exposed in the election or subsequently? For gods sake the right won't even let the guy give a speech to school kids or believe he is even a citizen but they let some ultra left socialist conspiracy alone? Fear mongering at its worst, I pity people like you and what it must be like to live under a constant sense of FUD. Life is to short brother...

And unless you are being ironic in someway I have never heard it is Czar or the old school Tsar, jeez...

jayhawklawrence: I'm not sure I see anywhere in Smitty's post that targets you specifically. Plenty of people we're howling about socialists.

Deathpenaltyliberal: Man. A grammarian, two "But Bush's" and a fair share of histrionics. I'm not sure how much more fail you can fit into one post.

It seems logicsound's post from yesterday is worth repeating:

"To be honest, I suspected a different personality entirely was behind LeaverDeaAsSlaef…

…but it's still too early to tell. If it's who I suspect, then it will go in stages:

Stage 1: Just Happy To Be Back -posting frequency: low -level of antagonism: mild

Stage 2: Testing The Waters -posting frequency: medium -level of antagonism: medium to strong

Stage 3: Full-on Psychotic -posting frequency: high; frenzied -level of antagonism: very strong; high sense of self-righteousness and intelligence

Stage 4: Crickets -posting frequency: page not found -level of antagonism: page not found"

We appear to be making the transition to stage 3

I think if you remembered my posts during the Bush Administration, you would know that I was very, very down on the Bush administration. I thought it was the worst presidency since Andrew Jackson and I was elated by the election of Obama.

I think he is a wonderfully talented young man and I love the guy. However, as you get older, you start to reflect on the times you trusted people too much or made foolish decisions and you start to appreciate that no one is perfect.

The knock on Obama has always been the people he has been associated with, not him personally. There is a big question mark on this.

I just want to caution people that blind faith is not an appropriate response to ANY politician and you should be cautious in allowing your dislike of the past administration or the current group of (buffoons) to cloud your judgement.

We are in dire need of talented young people to get involved in politics again.

um, for those who say republicans did it and no one objected, that is baloney, because in 91, the democrat controlled congress ordered an all out investigation into Bush Sr speaking to the public school students.

Also, the outrage was regarding what was in the lesson plan given to teachers by the white house. After controversey broke out, they removed all teh controversal material from the lesson plan, so stop making this look like some right wing crazies complaining. The less plan included telling kids to go read books about Obama, go listen to previous speeches and pull quotes out of his speeches, tell the teachers how they could serve Obama, etc. Not serve your country, serve OBAMA!

"Yeah I mind, I don't want my children to be subjected to Obama's socialist propaganda. "

You're an idiot.

"Not serve your country, serve OBAMA!"

Except...it didn't say that at all. Try not to get all of your info from Glenn Beck.

"And also, yes, I did see something on the news last night about the huge protest the Dems made when George Bush senior made a speech to the school kids. "

That happened after the speech was given, and after HW used the speech to push his political agenda.

Those details matter.

Valkyrie_of_Reason (Kathy Getto) says…

Didn't seem to be such a big issue when the sainted Ronnie Raygun and GW Bush Senior did it. No big deal.

rdragon writes: Did you forget that the Dems called for and had investigations on George H. Bush. They accused him of making a political infomercial when he addressed the schools. I truely believe the uproar over this one wasn't so much about POTUS speaking to the schools. It was the material that they originally wanted to include to the schools. Questioning what that is about, is a valid reason to question motives.

I think all Presidents should address our schools as long there goal, is to reinforce the importance of getting a good education. If any President try's to use it to push an political agenda, then we all should stand up and appose it.

This RINO party does bring pause when they are in the white house or traveling about with patterns such these in their history:

How in the world did 9/11/01 hijackers/terrorists get by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice?

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice dropped the ball in a very big way. Gen. Hayden of NSA knew the hijackers were living but a few blocks from his NSA headquarters yet never invited the FBI to pursue and provide ultimate security information. YES BUSHCO failed the American people. WHY did the headquarters for the nation's premier covert intelligence gathering organization fail the United States of America? The RINO repubs failed the nation!

Why did Bush/Cheney not resign?

The repub/neoconservative/PNAC party is largest law breaker in our nations history:

*Isn't it odd each time our nations financial institutions crumble there are Bush family near by and a McCain still in office?

*Who has history with financial institutions going south such as the savings and loan scandal? Republicans!

*About the Bush/Cheney/Greenspan/Bernake fraudulent home loan scandal: http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

*About the Bush/Reagan Savings and Loan Scandal(home loans) http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

*McCain: The Most Reprehensible of the Keating Five. The story of "the Keating Five" has become a scandal rivaling Teapot Dome and Watergate ... http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

*CRIME: Who hosted the Iran Contra secret illegal sale of weapons? Republicans! http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/irancontra/irancon.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/reagan/peopleevents/pande08.html

*CRIME: Who brought the nation Iran Contra number 2? Republicans! http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/5/iran_contra_20_how_the_bush

*CRIME: Which party illegally spied on the democrats to win an election? Republicans! Watergate! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/watergate/index.html

*CRIME: Which party held secret energy meetings and refused our elected officials its' content and who attended? GW Bush and the republicans!

*CRIME: Which party lied to congress and the world,went against military advice and created the worst strategic blunder in the history of the USA aka Iraq War? Republican Party! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348418/

*CRIME: Secret Oil deals for Iraq Oil- Republicans! http://www.pubrecord.org/nationworld/262.html?task=view

*CRIME AGAINST DEMOCRACY : PNAC's policy document, "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century

According to the highly scientic poll by the LJWorld, 100 percent of the people on the street say they don't mind that the president dared to speak to students. Obviously then, there is no issue. Only those who stay in doors are the ones apparently complaining, and outside of internet comments, since when do we concern ourselves with the opinions of shut-ins?

The people on the street have spoken!

Our children need to learn that if there is anybody in this world they can trust, it is a politician!

I agree with blue73harley, but I would go even farther. I think it should be a daily tradition to have the students listen to the Obama. Politicians, always being the most noble, trustworthy, and altruistic amongst the population, should be given every opportunity to speak to our children.

They should be required to listen to Obama’s daily message right after they say the pledge of allegiance. They can then pledge how they can help Obama, and after that they can write a daily essay on how Obama inspires them. Just like the DOE supplemental material suggested. In fact, they should be required to have new text books, perhaps little red ones, which have Obama inspirational quotes to motivate them. Politicians are the people our children should be emulating, and the sooner they realize the better off our country will be.

Now that this new frontier has occurred, I question how children have been able to achieve anything without Obama’s guidance and inspiration encouraging them all to reach their zenith?

Because after all, we should teach our children that they should care more striving to do hard because a politician tells them to, rather than out of some self-delusional idea of bettering oneself and learning a marketable skill. The sooner they learn getting an education is about helping their country, more than helping themselves, the better off they and our country will be.

"All hail Obama…Yeah I mind, I don't want my children to be subjected to Obama's socialist propaganda. "

If anyone compares Hitler to Obama one more time, I'm going to politely ask them to go to the US Holocaust Museum and tell me how he is the same. He isn't. Stop it. You're taking all the credibility away from your argument.

"All hail Obama…Yeah I mind, I don't want my children to be subjected to Obama's socialist propaganda. "

The speech was about individual responsibility. Way to prove that you can't read 18 paragraphs and form an opinion.

Thank you for correcting my spelling. Czar.

I will remember that.

If no one is alarmed by the appointment of a union lawyer with a socialist leaning background as the "Manufacturing Czar"...than I guess I will have to stop trying to explain it.

But Lawrence never was a manufacturing town. That's part of our problem.

Have a nice day.

booyalab nailed it. Its just bad. I don't care who does it. If they had done it in my daughter's class, I would not have removed her from class. I would have used it as a teaching opportunity for her, but I can see why some parents wanted nothing to do with it.

Here is the problem from a parental perspective. There is a philosophy within public education that the "family has failed" and therefore it is the function of public schools to compensate for the failure of the family unit. This is evident by the fact that schools have taken the responsibility to teach kids about sex, something that traditionally was learned from parents. Essentially, the school system looks at social problems and determines that those ills can be cured and should be cured by the public school system; both of these ideas are severely flawed.

At any rate, the president's speech takes things a step further. If you are not disciplined enough to do well in school, are talking back to your teacher, or whatever, the government sees this as a failure of "society"; in other words, a failure of the family unit. So who ya gonna call? Ghost busters? No, Big Brother of course. And so you bypass parental authority by speaking directly to kids, and of course the president and his Chief of Staff have both expressed a desire to start compulsory national service. So this is undoubtedly preparation toward that collectivist goal. You have to get people when they are young if you are actually going to program for something like this. Emanuel even wrote a book about it, called "The Plan: Big Ideas for America." And yeah, the president gave a speech that hardly anyone would disagree with in content, but watch and see whether the propaganda becomes more pronounced over time.

Satirical (Anonymous) says…

"It proves hypocrisy."

Umm. . . okay. Did this need to be proved at this date? Evidence abounds that both sides are hypocrites, at this generic level of grouping.