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Do you think the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay should be transferred to Fort Leavenworth?

Asked at Munchers Bakery, 925 Iowa on January 24, 2009

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“I think that the United States needs to be willing to take on its own soil certain prisoners … (at) the most secure place in the United States, and that may or may not be Leavenworth.”

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“No, I think they should be sent to Alcatraz.”

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“I think it is a very complex situation, (but) I would like to see it closed.”

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“No. … They’re not citizens of the United States. … They should be tried in a military tribunal.”

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Deja Coffin 5 years, 2 months ago

The further away from me the better.

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gl0ck0wn3r 5 years, 2 months ago

"Richard "I hate the Jews" Heckler (Anonymous) says… How did GW Bush protect america from other terrorist attacks? Bush did not stop 9/11/01 which was right under his nose. High up in the admin someone had to know because the NSA knew."I suppose it makes sense that you are a truther. Explain to me this: how is it that you believe the Bush government was totally incompetant and yet at the same time you believe it was capable of amazing super-extra-secret conspiracies? Was the incompetency about which you constantly complain merely a front for a super-competant shadow government?Oh... and while you are at it, could you please define "know" in the sense of intelligence analysis/warning prediction. Further, explain how one traces the process between the NSA "knowing" and the administration "having to know." Lastly, could you please explain how your extensive lawn mowing experience qualifies you to judge intelligence analysis? I'll look forward to your answers.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 2 months ago

Pleiku,you are correct that a lot of Naive thought is in the people on the left, and even our current president. he thinks that if the other countries like us more we're safer! I'd much rather be hated and alive, than admired, befriended, and dead. Pleiku, there are different kinds of folks at Gitmo: people like KSM who are Al-qaeda leadership, and who need to be agressively interrogated to save lives, some of what the naive people call torture, i.e. Red Hot Chilipeppers' music turned up loud or exposure to cold, sleep deprivation. these people need to be tried, there was a system, approved by congress, in process. five of them pled guilty recently, these were 9-11 related conspirators. others are closer to the "prisoner-of-war" category, but don't fight for a country, and don't fight as legitimate combatants. these folks, in wars past, were subject to being lined up and shot summarily as spies/saboteurs. but again because of the naive we have to give them rights. bringing them to american soil under our constitution gives them american judicial system rights. rights they should not be entitled to. trials which could easily leak classified secrets. the tribunals would've protected the necessary secrecy. but most of all, put them anywhere in the U.S. and that location becomes a prime terrorist target. finally, another group of Gitmo guests we wish to release, but their countries of origin won't take them don't want them, believe they are still violent/terrorists. 62 released from Gitmo have turned up fighting again! not a good track record. much of the blame for people thinking things are so bad at Gitmo goes to the same naive liberal crazies. truth be told, our forces in iraq and afghanistan have been the best behaved military forces on enemy territory in history; but the naive fools are also historically illiterate, and hystrionic.

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Bob Harvey 5 years, 2 months ago

GA...thanks. I don't often post but when I do it is for an issue that I have an interest in. Forgive my diatribe. It was not aimed at anyone, least of all you.After so many years in the military I often become frustrated with what I see as a country at odds with itself. I see the naive citizen that has no concept that there really are people that dream about bringing about our downfall. When the need for battle occurs these same people are the first to sit back let others fight for them and protect them from harm, all the while whining and complaining, acting so elitist in their thoughts.It is so easy to have such firms beliefs while criticizing the very folks that are guaranteeing their right to have them. How ironic.

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GA 5 years, 2 months ago

Pleiku - not aimed at you. Aimed at all of the idiots on here that think they should be cut loose on American Soil when we have fought so hard to keep them off American soil. They are not U.S. citizens and as such, do not have the rights of a U.S. Citizen's legal system. They are War Prisoners and should be tried by a War Tribunal where they are imprisoned. I can assure you one thing, we'll never "capture" them anymore. Dead on the battlefield!

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Bob Harvey 5 years, 2 months ago

GA, I hope your post was not aimed my way. As I said, my questions were not based on my personal feelings but rather from a legal perspective.Let me give you a bit of background. I served for over 20 years with Uncle Sam's forces. I spent my time in Vietnam in the late 60's. So if your comments were directed toward me please know that they hold little weight. I respect my fellow soldiers and know that they fight for what they believe is right. I am the last person who ever takes my freedom for granted. I am one of those that volunteered while others stayed home, so please spare me your venom.If you were not speaking to me then forgive me. One never knows on these boards. My questions were based on the incredible naive comments I see on these boards. As such, I will ask them again...what US laws were broken and what charges can these creatures be charged with if brought onto US soil?

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luckymama1 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, lets put the NBAF and the Guantanamo detainees within 150 miles of each other. And while we're at it we should also crop circle a giant bulls eye so there is no confusion.

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GA 5 years, 2 months ago

Give them trials???? You must be mental midgets. You definitely didn't serve in the war. You weren't there and experienced these terrorists lobbing bombs at you and shooting at you. Do you think our brothers and sisters that were captured by them were given trials? No, they were beheaded and their burned bodies drug through their streets to show off. Quit taking your freedom and liberty for granted! Every one of those prisoners were captured on the field of battle and armed and attacking U.S.Troops. What more proof do you need that they are guilty!!

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 2 months ago

Previous NextDo you think the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay should be transferred to Fort Leavenworth?"Marion wrties:No.I think that they shoud be fairy tried, fairly judged and fairly shot.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 2 months ago

hey,the Big O'dude has stopped the tribunals too. four or five have already pled guilty there. their sentences will not be carried out now because of the Big O'dude. these were 9-11 conspirators. and, hey, take a look atwww.whitehouse.govthat same Big O'dude is really into the LGBT agenda and the [proabortion] "Womens" agenda. LGBT=lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender; he wants hate crime protections for people depending on their "gender expression!" ***as I wrote elsewhere, as of now, we are far less safe since the inauguration.

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Bob Harvey 5 years, 2 months ago

I attempted to ask a question yesterday on the Gitmo post but receive no comments (probably not a bad thing). That being said when folks talk about putting these WOGS (wonderful oriental gentleman) on trial in this country what would be the charges brought against them? What US laws did they violate by being combatants in another country fighting our troops, never setting foot in this country?If I were in another country and a citizen of that country attacked me in some way would I be within my US rights to bring him to this country for trial?It's amazing how strange things can become, isn't it? Please know that my question in no way reflects my personal feelings...it's just a question.

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beobachter 5 years, 2 months ago

Actually, I thought all you right wingers believed in executing them first, then holding trials.

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jumpin_catfish 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, then tried and when found guilty, shot. Simple.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 2 months ago

Most people wouldnt even know what CONUS is, they probably think is a competitor of COSTCO.Just use some of the stuff that AWSCOM had available in the 60s and that will do the job.CONUS, COSTCO, AWSCOM, let them play scrabble at GITMOsee how many words they can make, con,cost,to,sun , cow, keep them busy with word games.

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Donnuts 5 years, 2 months ago

... for creeps that stalk little kids in the school district no matter what licensing they might have to do what he does. Sure, anything goes.Say hey to LeRon and the collection agency for me. : )( Stalking an individual across state lines, Conspiracy to commit murder, Soliciting ... )... go ahead and get the decks of cards ready and teach them to play spades. Life for losers is no worthless thing. Not sure yet, how you got to be seeing their perspective.

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militant 5 years, 2 months ago

I think they should be tortured until they confess, then given a fair trial, and executed shortly afterward. I'm all about fairness.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 2 months ago

back in '06 and '07, Merrill referred to the terrorists blowing up our troops in Iraq as "patriots." he has no standing to comment here, he is unworthy of respect. grammaddy et al,you ever heard of the Brooklyn Bridge. if you didn't get your info from NBC/MSNBC/NPR/PBS you'd know that that bridge was not blown up as a result of a very credible plot, one foiled through the warrantless wiretap system. nearly two dozen other plots on american soil were foiled in the past 8 years. source: Rudy Giuliani. I agree with madmike, bringing them to the u.s. the greatest risk is making a terrorist target. so, why do you hate Leavenworth. if a bio bomb is set off there, you think Lawrence will be effected? well, do ya'? Blue and Marshall get the award. and the tongie prof obviously is ignorant. murtha said bring 'em to his pennsylvania district; wonder what his constituents think of that?

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M. Lindeman 5 years, 2 months ago

If this new President doesn't view these terrorist as a safety issure. Then build the jail right next to the White House. I am sure he feels these people are just misunderstood and would never harm him or is family. Gitmo is the perfect place to house them, access from the outside is much harder. Bring them on our soil and the chances that some of there buddies could try and break them out will go threw the roof. Give them a military trail, if found guilty escort them out back and shoot them.

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justfornow 5 years, 2 months ago

No, they should be brought to Lawrence and be confined in the old Gibson's building, it's all about creating jobs.

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grammaddy 5 years, 2 months ago

Garrenfamily, Why are people so quick to give Bush credit for no more terrorist attacks after 9/11. I just don't believe he kept us safe. More likely they didn't need to attack us here when we were letting them annihilate our men overseas. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our economy and I'd say Bush did a pretty good job of helping him do exactly that.

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Donnuts 5 years, 2 months ago

"Lop someone's head off.." anyway... Sure with a rusty kitchen or butter knife in back of Wendy's restaurant with some powdered donuts in the other hand.Sharpen the pencil...He can suffer that fate and if he complains about servicing males on the corner of 25th and Ousdahl behind Hobby Lobby. We could call it .... slobbin the knob behind hobby lobby.sharpen the pencil...That is quite a showsharpen the pencil...So unveil the confederate flag...take one for the gipper?!?!I'll trade that for my youth, my degree and a red t-shirt flashlight and army tent.sharpen the pencil...(get the Mary Wollestonecraft reference?)

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madmike 5 years, 2 months ago

A retired Army Colonel remarked yesterday that it isn't the security of the prison we need to worry abour, it is the danger of providing terrorists access anywhere near where they are put. He is more worried about a "Belsen" type of seige, in which terrorists could hold a school and try to trade their buddies for children. I go on post often, and their elementary school is actually before the crash barrier by about 100 yards. That would allow attackers access to the school before responding units could even arrive. If they must put them in CONUS, a super-max facility seems to be the best choice.

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2piecespicy 5 years, 2 months ago

XD40 i'm not sure how often you speak with internationals, but i do everyday and i can tell you the general perception of americans got much better this week because of obama...maybe you just bathe too much and don't smoke enough

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Donnuts 5 years, 2 months ago

Oh sorry. I do not know if I would do well with people telling me how to think without why. I do not actually know what exactly those people did.Maybe I am a dreamer. Maybe I think there should be no wars, but as soon as we let down all our defenses and not pay attention somebody will try to covet it all. I have a neighbor that would more than willingly take anything he could from me and roommates that have done the same so I know the mentality exists and you have to protect yourself from them. Our country or companies we count on could be in that situation. Who knows what motivate the sick. They seem to make more sick and more sick and that it perpetuates. Hate perpetuates.Try to spread sarcastic scenarios and exaggerations so that people understand the idiocy behind it.

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ms_canada 5 years, 2 months ago

I don't really care too much what is done for them except JUSTICE. And justice for Omar Khadar would be to send him home to Canada and his family. If those men in Gitmo are guilty, then give them a trial. I believe that no trial means no evidence to convict.

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Donnuts 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank you Spacehog,I think maybe a Doors quote is in order actually... "The War is over!"I love Split Enz, Jimi Hendrix was a passing phase in my years of studying guitar.I am out of drugs and have not done them in a long time. Maybe that is part of the problem.I think the point is that we should torture them with all that is the epitome of American culture to this day and all that we are defending from them, with humor of what I think is torturous of American culture myself. I am not sure what the basis of the war is actually about. I am for peace. I think that these people are people after all and hopefully Obama and others will help peace accords gather around the world. We waste so much money funding the War machine. I have a really sarcastic dry sardonic sense of humor. I can be rather venomous. It comes with the turf in life I have had to manage.I also understand that peace is not an ideal everyone shares and is an "imposed" thing. So there is a need to defend things.Sometimes I think a good bong hit would do me for a while to ease the pain of knowing that there are people struggling against tryannical forces elsewhere in the world as well. I do not think there needs to be a homogenized opinion.I hope you don't take the post seriously and Neil Finn was playing quite the character of an agorophobe there wasn't he? Check out my blogs!!!! Comment on those. Click on Donnuts and click on my blogs. I take requests.

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BABBOY 5 years, 2 months ago

Leavenworth is a good as any place to put them. I think they should have a trial. But, frankly, they are terrorist. I am more concerned about protecting Americans then those bums. Example: I am opposed to the death penalty. I do not think humans have any business playing God. But, am going to be one of those weirdoes holding a candle outside wherever the jerk off is being fried? Heck no. I am opposed to concept, I have no sympathy for murders and think they should be put in place where they can't hurt anyone. Maybe Leavenworth with all those flipping terrorist.Hah, I bet you thought I was rambling -- but I tied that all together.To be honest, it is not a big issue to me. But, crap like this rules in this itty biddy little city.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 2 months ago

Or to quote a local vet .."Dust 'em".

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes of course.But make them walk, or ... whatever.No free rides for those guys.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 2 months ago

WEll, lets see.We have several positions open for city commission and school board. That would take care of a few of them. And if they are truly terrorists, they will fit right in with our local terrorists/extortionists already serving on those boards.We will take 8 please and 3 for backup. 10 more to be left at the Drop In Center. They won't be noticeable. We might want to give about 20 a free home in Lawrence and after they figure out how hard it is to pay taxes,heating bills and live here they will move on.Or maybe, 300 of us in Lawrence could be traded for a spot at Gitmo. I will go. It is close to Cuba and if we get some fun folks at Gitmo we can have salsa lessons, imported cigars and some fine cuban cuisine. Tit for tat., that's what it would be. WE will take tit to Gitmo and Lawrence gets the tat.

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XD40 5 years, 2 months ago

We have friends out there: the Brits and Aussies for starters. Who cares what the French think. They refuse to bathe and smoke too much. Obama is a wuss. No one will respect him.

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couranna1 5 years, 2 months ago

We need friends out there. chucklesjohnsonthat ship has sailed partner america is a joke and a group of hypocrites It will take a lot to restore the worlds respect and Obama is the man to do it but is it too late?

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50YearResident 5 years, 2 months ago

Do not bring them to the heart on America. Keep them as far as can be from America. We don't want any brought here where they could either escape or be released 5000 miles within our border.

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XD40 5 years, 2 months ago

I think they should be transferred to Washington DC. There they can work as household help for the president and his family and various and sundry congress critters. I'm sure Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Jack Murtha could all use a little Islamofascist help with the household chores. You know -- slitting throats, building suicide vests -- that kind of thing.

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Mary Darst 5 years, 2 months ago

I'll bet they don't even remember why some of these people are there. They have been there for 6 years and all have been tortured. What kind of brain cells do you think they have left. Send them home and close the place down. Hopefully we can show the world that we are a stong and compasionate country. Not the Big Bullys we have been for the last 8 years. We need friends out there.

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

How did GW Bush protect america from other terrorist attacks? Bush did not stop 9/11/01 which was right under his nose. High up in the admin someone had to know because the NSA knew.No attack could ever have been launched from the mideast due to such heavy USA military presence in the area plus the 10 year old no fly zone was very much in effect. Navy planes were constantly taking out Iraq radar and anti aircraft sites. The GW Bush did not protect america from this attack. The 9/11/01 culprits who died on 9/11/01 were camped near the White House in Maryland for about two years. They were but a few blocks away from NSA headquarters and the NSA knew it. The motel could be seen from NSA headquarters. And the two "leaders" came to the USA by way of San Diego through legal channels in spite of their names being listed as suspected terrorists in the computer. The CIA lost track of these two in Yemen.Who dropped the ball? Bush,Cheney,Rice,Rummy and Gen Hayden of the NSA. Any one of these people could have authorized the FBI to stop the endeavor. The FBI was not notified. This has been in the news.

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couranna1 5 years, 2 months ago

garrenfamily what an assanine thing to say how many people has bush gotten killed

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couranna1 5 years, 2 months ago

put up or shut up kansas neocons should be delighted by this your chance to give back to america

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garrenfamily 5 years, 2 months ago

Don't forget, something like 60 detainees that have been released have committed other acts of terrorism...since their release. And...the man you say is responsible for Gitmo, also kept us safe from other terrorist attacks on our soil for the past 7 years.

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couranna1 5 years, 2 months ago

I firmly believe they all should be transferred to a certain ranch in Crawford, TX. There they could be watched over by the man responsible for Gitmo. He caused the problem, let him fix it.There's already one terrorist there

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Chris Ogle 5 years, 2 months ago

“No, I think they should be sent to Alcatraz.”— Blue Barrand, retired CPA, Lawrence--------------------------------------------------------What he said

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Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

beobachter - at first I liked your thinking however the innocent until proven guilty would be in great danger in the hands of merciless GW Bush. They do not deserve another round of torture. What did these people do?What laws were violated?Are they terrorists because the PNAC thinking BUSHCO admin claims they were?Would anyone want their family members held without charges for years and years? How can this be legal?In 2001 a new Hitler moved into the white house and was being led by PNAC's policy document, "Rebuilding America's Defences," openly advocates for total global military domination. Many PNAC members held highest-level positions in the George W. Bush administration. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century Why do we want to spend more tax dollars holding people for no reason? This is unacceptable USA government behavior?Where is the hard evidence? Why did the USA governmenthaul these people into jail with no evidence to justify.This illegal behavior could be applied to anyone of us if a member of the government disagreed with a political position one might be sharing with others.I say ditch this whole process and wipe any law on the books that supports this questionable behavior. I say send them home to their families. Most any court would have freed them for lack of charges and/or evidence.Finally after 6 years and no hard evidence of any wrong doing! Send them home! This is kind of Hitlerish behavior.The 9/11/01 culprits who died on 9/11/01 were camped near the White House in Maryland for about two years. They were but a few blocks away from NSA headquarters and the NSA knew it. Who dropped the ball? Bush,Cheney,Rice,Rummy and Gen Hayden of the NSA. Any one of these people could have authorized the FBI to stop the endeavor. The FBI was not notified. This has been in the news.

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beobachter 5 years, 2 months ago

I firmly believe they all should be transferred to a certain ranch in Crawford, TX. There they could be watched over by the man responsible for Gitmo. He caused the problem, let him fix it.

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BuffyloGal 5 years, 2 months ago

If they were actually guilty of anything, sure, but no trials means we do not know! We cannot hold people indefinitely as if this war is going to be over next week.

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spacehog 5 years, 2 months ago

For Donuts:I don't know why sometimes I get frightened. If you see my eyes you can tell that i'm not lying.-Split Enz"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."-Bob Dylan (All Along the Watchtower. Jimi Hendrix did the best known version but Bob wrote it)

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spacehog 5 years, 2 months ago

Donnuts, you have an awesome, twisted sense of humor. I'm still laughing from your last post yesterday. Whatever drugs you're on, can you get me some? Back on topic, just lop their heads off and used them for fish food. Revenge is always the best way to go, although it's a dish best served cold so maybe we should wait a while. Well, I'm gonna drop a Dylan quote, take 5 or 6 Vicoden and go back to bed.

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labmonkey 5 years, 2 months ago

Hell NO!!! Keep Gitmo open. I thought the point was to keep terrorists off US soil...now we want to bring them here? Give them a military tribunal and be done with it already. Bad move by Obama.

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Donnuts 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, chained to fence posts in junkyards among blue '72 Pintos and Cadillacs in a field with tall grass growing all around it with a catalog to Pitt State University, a bucket of KFC original receipe, some watermelon, and some Uncle Ben's wild rice, a bottle of Southern Comfort, a switchblade knife, some 8 track tapes of Split Enz and Jimi Hendrix, A George Washington Chess set, some Snoop Dogg porn and a used condom inside it as a monument to some truly insecure peckerwood that can't take responsibility for his own actions that must have a pen!s the size of a walnut.

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