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Asked at Munchers Bakery, 925 S. Iowa on August 17, 2009

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“I think it should be more of a mindset as opposed to a number. You should always feel ready, not rushed. ”

— Jayne Fisher, accounting major, Kansas City, Kan.

“I think you should finish your schooling first. But if you didn’t go to school, at least 21.”

— Deirdre Fisher, wing administrator, Boston

“Twenty-one. I think that’s a pretty responsible age.”

— John Ragan, boiler operator, Lawrence

“I believe 21. It gives a person time to get through some education.”

— Alvin Kroge, retired, Lawrence

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17 August 2009
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H_Lecter (Anonymous) says…

75…maybe 80
17 August 2009
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

“How old do you think a people should be before they get married?”

A people? Like the people of Acadia or something?

And why the hell is the accounting major the only one unwilling to give a number?! Isn't that some sort of paradox or something?

I say 19 and a half. 18 and 21 are too common of benchmarks, so split the difference.
17 August 2009
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bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says…

well Jonas,
let's see, the chinese are a very ancient people, they old enough to be married???

americans are not an old people.

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17 August 2009
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Considering I'm currently grappling the idea that possibly at some point our species will wise up and it might be illegal to create children unless the parents are able to be 100% responsible for them in all ways the rest of that 'created' human being's life, I'm not so sure I'm the person to ask this question right now.

After all that human being didn't ask to be created now did they?..so why should 100+ years of burden, pain and hardship be placed on the unsuspecting result of a sperm and egg?.

I don't know…how old do you have to be to know that most everything in life is simply “the illusion of what you think it is”, and that if the others in the illusion decide to not play along or change the rules, your illusion goes up in smoke. If you are old enough to accept that with wide open eyes and still commit, at that point then go into therapy for a couple of years and only after that see if you still feel the same way…. then you might be old enough.

(By this time you'll have probably discovered that you can't stand a lot of things about each other, and are ready to move on to someone who suits you better and you'll save yourself that starter marriage.)
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17 August 2009
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blogreader (Anonymous) says…

jonas_opines might want to take a second look at the question before you go blasting it.
17 August 2009
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yankeevet (Anonymous) says…

70 yrs old………….and make sure she can cook oatmeal………………..
17 August 2009
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RoeDapple (Anonymous) says…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWxGGy…

zager and evans - in the year 2525 lyrics

“in the year 6565
ain't gonna need no husband won't need no wife
you'll pick your son pick your daughter too

from the bottom of a long black tube”

17 August 2009
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autie (Anonymous) says…

about 30 or 30+. 21 is waaay tooo young.
17 August 2009
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

Don't know about age, but thorough psychological testing should be mandatory for each party. If one is a psycho then the couple probably shouldn't get married. Is there a test for psychos? Two tests should be given to women, one during that time of the month and one not during that time of the month. There should also be a test for common sense. The person might be book smart, even a straight A student, but be severely challenged when it comes to common sense. Then there is the “can you balance a check book to save your life” test but that might fall into the common sense part. They need to come up with a test that will indicate if one of the spouses might stray. In fact, every guy I know who is divorced, it came down to the woman screwed around and not the guy. I wonder if anyone did a study on being faithful? Of course, there needs to be an empathy test as well. I recommend a book called, Emotional Vampires before marriage. If you see some similarities, probably shouldn't go through with it. Maybe I'm just jaded :)

Probably best not to get married, but we must continue our species somehow.
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tanzer (Anonymous) says…

bigprune - marriage doesn't perpetuate the species - copulation does sometimes…
17 August 2009
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grammaddy (Anonymous) says…

30 or so . I don't think you really know who You are before then. And I would advise a practice run ( live together for a couple of years) first. The divorce rate is now in the mid 50's so be sure to be sure!!
17 August 2009
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imastinker (Anonymous) says…

As a 27 year old that just had a five year anniversary - I can't imagine waiting until 30 to get started with our lives. We had a honeymoon baby - and were pretty young for kids - but it made us better people. It forced us to grow up and become adults early, and at 27 I've had some success that people twice my age can't claim.

Right or wrong we did it and I don't regret a thing.
17 August 2009
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slang4d (Anonymous) says…

Age at marriage for those who divorce in America

20 to 24 years old women: 36.6% men: 38.8%

21 - not such a good age to get married.

30 to 34 years old women: 8.5% men: 11.6%
35 to 39 years old women: 5.1% men: 6.5%

thirties seem to be the safest bet.
17 August 2009
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trinity (Anonymous) says…

mid-late 20's; most-i said *most*-have no clue about who they are prior to that. then when you hit your mid-20's (if you've married young) you look at spouse&say “what was i thinking???? :)
at least that is how it worked for me-but of course, at 17 i knew it ALL!
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canyon_wren (Anonymous) says…

I agree with trinity that late 20's sounds good. Too often young people get married to meet a need (not just physical but something that makes them dependent upon the other) and then mature beyond that point and the person they married turns out to be not right for them. I talked about marriage with several guys who later I realized would not have been good choices for me. If people DO marry young (late teens—early 20s), they certainly should put off having a family till they have had a chance to just be a couple for a goodly period. It sounds like the jury is still out, as far as the usefulness of “living together a while first” is concerned. So many of my daughter's friends who did that wound up not being able to accommodate the change that marriage brings to a relationship.

Ultimately, no hard and fast rule works here—it seems to be a “game of chance,” regardless.

17 August 2009
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charliejohnson (Anonymous) says…

I think after someone has finished school, have lived on their own and have lived the single life, then maybe they are ready for a relationship. Many young people get married for the wrong reasons. My sons 1st wife wanted to get out of her house. The second wife felt like everyone else was getting married,so she got married. I'm by no means saying my son was at no fault. I do think that girls should be totally self-sufficient before taking the plunge, and best to marry someone that is also self-sufficient. I am speaking from experience.
17 August 2009
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

No one should ever get married until they have lived on their own for awhile. People should learn how to be responsible for themselves first. And, in my opinion, that takes a little longer for guys, in general, than gals.

Of greater importance to society, I believe, is the maturity and stability of parents before they have children. That is the biggest problem, for that has longer lasting repurcussions on the children and society than any hasty marriage without kids.
17 August 2009
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tkeagleblog (Anonymous) says…

Got married 29 I think. Still happily married. Over 7 years. Early to Mid 20's was a party time for my wife and I. I think the parties needs to get out of the way first. Plus any school you still might have. Plus, lived together for a few years first. I lived with the wife for 5 years before we got married. Nothing changed. When we had kids, then it changed.
17 August 2009
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Irish (Irish Swearingen) says…

Whenever they want. Why would it be my business when someone else decides to get married?
17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

Why get married anyway?
17 August 2009
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spiff (Anonymous) says…

One person should be under 30 and the other over 50. If you don't maintain that 20 year age difference, things get boring
17 August 2009
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

Still waiting for a reference to the old adage about cows and free milk.
17 August 2009
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coolmom (Anonymous) says…

i was 20 and the hubby was 21. we had our first child 9ish months later and we have been married for a little over 18years. i cant say that we didnt have our issues but things seem to get better and better. now if all these kids would leave home we would be set!

17 August 2009
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coolmom (Anonymous) says…

to be fair my neice recently got married at 19 to another 19 year old and her mother and i initially had a panic attck and the instant they are way to young conversation so i dont think that people didnt feel the same about the hubby and i lol.
17 August 2009
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

blogreader might consider that the moderators can fix errors when they have them pointed out before blasting somebody who noticed an error.
17 August 2009
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Jersey_Girl (Anonymous) says…

I agree with Marion; why get married at all? If you want to get married, all the more power to you, but I think it should be when you are emotionally mature enough. When I was in my 20's, I thought I wanted to get married someday, but knew I wasn't emotionally ready. Now, if I got married, it would be because I want a family and being married to the father of my children would just make certain legal issues easier (and no, I'm not talking about child support).
17 August 2009
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TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

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17 August 2009
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

“If you want build a real family, get married early.”

How early? 14 okay?

And what exactly is a “real family” these days?
17 August 2009
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Jersey_Girl (Anonymous) says…

blue73harley - I'm with you. Since the divorce rate rises with the decrease in age at time of marriage, it seems to me if one wants to build a “real family” (whatever the hell that is), one should wait until one is stable enough to maintain a marriage.
17 August 2009
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imastinker (Anonymous) says…

What is stable?

We have a lot of friends who are waiting until they have the right job, house, finances, etc before having kids. They are having their first kids in their 30's. I certianly have no problem with this - but they will be retirement age trying to put kids through college.

I certianly don't want that.
17 August 2009
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

And make darn sure your marriage (or relationship) is stable enough, both emotionally and financially before you start having kids.

17 August 2009
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prospector (Anonymous) says…

How would White Owl and Moonbeam answer this question?

I sure don't know what is best for someone else especially in matters that just brings more government intrusion in our lives. Why purposely get in a situation that you have to go to court to get out of?

I guess jade'd' in the mineral of the day.
17 August 2009
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canyon_wren (Anonymous) says…

Irish—I don't think the point of this is to tell someone else when to get married or not—but mostly just sharing our own experiences. Some people DO learn from others' experience.

I was 22 when i got married and I had finished college, but not really been on my own as far as earning a living was concerned (though I had been independent and paid my own way through college, etc.). I didn't feel any need to rush—my husband just seemed like the right one at the time. I was married over 30 years and have been divorced about half that long and am happier now by myself than I ever was married, even though I wouldn't have missed that bittersweet experience for anything, nor my precious daughter.

I do think that many times people who marry fairly young—then divorce and remarry—find a lot more happiness in the second marriage.

However, it appears to me that both men and women who don't marry for the first time till they are in their 40s (regardless of how many long-term relationships they have had, including living together) have a lot of trouble adjusting to marriage—they have established their lifestyles and find it hard to accommodate sharing that life and the routines they have established.

Just some thoughts on the subject—no real recommendations—and not a matter of telling someone else what to do!
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Jersey_Girl (Anonymous) says…

imastinker - sorry, I meant emotionally stable. I've heard enough couples who were waiting until they were financially stable enough to get married, have kids, etc., but the truth is, for most people, the more money they make, the more they spend. It doesn't make them any more financially stable. And maybe I should have said emotionally mature rather than stable.
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autie (Anonymous) says…

Hey, I saw a guy serenading the populace on Mass. yesterday. Had a white beard and a “bear Bryant” type checkered cap. Is he a new addition to the local scene?
17 August 2009
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Jersey_Girl (Anonymous) says…

BuenaVista - so a real marriage is one that faces finacial harships? Not other hardships? My dad and stepmother both make decent money; I'd call them middle-to-middle-upper class, but 9 years into their marriage, they faced the biggest hardship a marriage can face; the death of a child. That was 16 years ago and at the end of this month, they'll be celebrating their silver anniversary. I guarentee that they would give up all money and material goods they have to have my brother back.
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

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17 August 2009
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

They finished some studies and found that those who live together first more often end in divorce, but I don't have the link. It's not that old, maybe a month or two. They suggested based on what couples said was that they had tended to marry after having lived together based often on feeling like it was a compulsory next step, they felt obligated rather than having options. Both the women and the men.

What I wouldn't give for a 1976 or 77 do-over. Maybe go back further than that.
(But that '77 280Z was awesome, never should have let Mom coerce me into selling that.)
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

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17 August 2009
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H_Lecter (Anonymous) says…

'77 was OK, but the '78 280Z reached their pinnacle.
Enough legroom for tall drivers & plenty of power. Primary drawback is that they were prone to rust, even the frames.
17 August 2009
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prospector (Anonymous) says…

Autie, I see controlled chaos allowed you to live to tell the tale. How many steps to the top floor?

If the guy is not working the 600 block, east side, I would not know about him.
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

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17 August 2009
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

Top Ten Reasons for Divorce

1) Infidelity

2) Communication Breakdown

3) Physical, Psychological, Emotional Abuse

4) Finacial Issues

5) Sexual Incompatability

6) Boredom

7) Religious and Cultural Strains

8) Child Rearing

9) Addiction

10) Differences in Priorities and Expectations

http://www.divorceguide.com/free-divo…
17 August 2009
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

“They finished some studies and found that those who live together first more often end in divorce.”

Those who live together first probably have a more cavalier view towards the institution of marriage than those who are willing to wait. For me, I could never have gotten married to someone who I had never lived with.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Staff, you may want to remove this one too!

15 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…
My accent can be traced to the region surrounding Stranger Crick.
But why does my dumb@ss brother say merilk, like merilk the cows?
17 August 2009
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puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

well, you are a teen by the time you are thriteen, so that should be good enough.
17 August 2009
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

The Top Ten Myths of Divorce

1 “Because people learn from their bad experiences, second marriages tend to be more successful than first marriages.”

Although many people who divorce have successful subsequent marriages, the divorce rate of remarriages is in fact higher than that of first marriages.

2 ” Living together before marriage is a good way to reduce the chances of eventually divorcing.”

Many studies have found that those who live together before marriage have a considerably higher chance of eventually divorcing. The reasons for this are not well understood. In part, the type of people who are willing to cohabit may also be those who are more willing to divorce. There is some evidence that the act of cohabitation itself generates attitudes in people that are more conducive to divorce, for example the attitude that relationships are temporary and easily can be ended.

3 “Divorce may cause problems for many of the children who are affected by it, but by and large these problems are not long lasting and the children recover relatively quickly.”

Divorce increases the risk of interpersonal problems in children. There is evidence, both from small qualitative studies and from large-scale, long-term empirical studies, that many of these problems are long lasting. In fact, they may even become worse in adulthood

4 “Having a child together will help a couple to improve their marital satisfaction and prevent a divorce.”

Many studies have shown that the most stressful time in a marriage is after the first child is born. Couples who have a child together have a slightly decreased risk of divorce compared to couples without children, but the decreased risk is far less than it used to be when parents with marital problems were more likely to stay together “for the sake of the children.”

5 “Following divorce, the woman’s standard of living plummets by seventy three percent while that of the man’s improves by forty two percent.”

This dramatic inequity, one of the most widely publicized statistics from the social sciences, was later found to be based on a faulty calculation. A reanalysis of the data determined that the woman’s loss was twenty seven percent while the man’s gain was ten percent. Irrespective of the magnitude of the differences, the gender gap is real and seems not to have narrowed much in recent decades

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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

The Top Ten Myths of Divorce (Cont.)

6 “When parents don’t get along, children are better off if their parents divorce than if they stay together. “

A recent large-scale, long-term study suggests otherwise. While it found that parents’ marital unhappiness and discord have a broad negative impact on virtually every dimension of their children’s well-being, so does the fact of going through a divorce. In examining the negative impacts on children more closely, the study discovered that it was only the children in very high conflict homes who benefited from the conflict removal that divorce may bring. In lower-conflict marriages that end in divorce—and the study found that perhaps as many as two thirds of the divorces were of this type—the situation of the children was made much worse following a divorce. Based on the findings of this study, therefore, except in the minority of high-conflict marriages it is better for the children if their parents stay together and work out their problems than if they divorce.

7 “Because they are more cautious in entering marital relationships and also have a strong determination to avoid the possibility of divorce, children who grow up in a home broken by divorce tend to have as much success in their own marriages as those from intact homes. “

Marriages of the children of divorce actually have a much higher rate of divorce than the marriages of children from intact families. A major reason for this, according to a recent study, is that children learn about marital commitment or permanence by observing their parents. In the children of divorce, the sense of commitment to a lifelong marriage has been undermined.

8 “Following divorce, the children involved are better off in stepfamilies than in single-parent families.”

The evidence suggests that stepfamilies are no improvement over single-parent families, even though typically income levels are higher and there is a father figure in the home. Stepfamilies tend to have their own set of problems, including interpersonal conflicts with new parent figures and a very high risk of family breakup.

9 “Being very unhappy at certain points in a marriage is a good sign that the marriage will eventually end in divorce. “

All marriages have their ups and downs. Recent research using a large national sample found that eighty six percent of people who were unhappily married in the late 1980s, and stayed with the marriage, indicated when interviewed five years later that they were happier. Indeed, three fifths of the formerly unhappily married couples rated their marriages as either “very happy” or “quite happy.”
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

The Top Ten Myths of Divorce (Cont.)

10 “It is usually men who initiate divorce proceedings”

Two-thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. One recent study found that many of the reasons for this have to do with the nature of our divorce laws. For example, in most states women have a good chance of receiving custody of their children. Because women more strongly want to keep their children with them, in states where there is a presumption of shared custody with the husband the percentage of women who initiate divorces is much lower.10 Also, the higher rate of women initiators is probably due to the fact that men are more likely to be “badly behaved.” Husbands, for example, are more likely than wives to have problems with drinking, drug abuse, and infidelity.

http://marriage.rutgers.edu/Publicati…
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Oh, I get it…I spelled horny incorretly.
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

c?
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

Smitty, are you trying to get disappeareded?

Adding to BuenaVista's list -
3. You are cousins.
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kujayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Depends how much money her dad has.
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

Not really. But who ever is editing the forum has a bit of a kneejerk reaction today.

4. following your brother's example of marrying to justify sex no matter how unintelligent he may be or at what ever age.

Rephasing to be PC sure takes the humor out of a post.
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MaryKatesPillStash (Anonymous) says…

Grammaddy, I agree wish you on the issue of living together before getting married. I have been living with my boyfriend for about three years, though. Our relationship is fine, but since relocating to Oklahoma City a few months ago, many many people raise their eyebrows when I say that I live with my boyfriend. One of my coworkers evey said I was living a sinful lifestyle. I guess it's time for me to hurry up and get married…

17 August 2009
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ksdivakat (Anonymous) says…

You took mine Blue!!! LOL thats what I was gonna say, Im rolling, that is soo funny, but unfortunately true, I hear that there are 6 million Missourians, and only 7 last names! LOL
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Jimo (Anonymous) says…

Anywhere north of the statutory minimum of 15 years — a total and absolute scandal!
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

I want to dedicate this to the forum monitor as an explantion for today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmbT5…

This for all those romantics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQX2…

For the sceptics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nooeMr…

OK, I feel better now.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

H_L,
You got that right on the Z's. My 77 had lots of leg room, and we could cram a lot of people into it. My brother was well over 6' ft, and he drove it to Denver. He was amazed at how comfortable it was, and he remarked how uncomfortable his Corvette had been for his height. My salesman knew when I bought it to have it coated from day one, so I never had any rust issues, but so many others around town were shredded around the wheel wells, etc.

Jonas, I too felt the way you do about living together, yet I see where they are coming from on that study. Just like another reason people get married, the ultimatum. “She says it's time to get married or we're breaking up, so we're getting married.”

Yes, for some people who do belong together, this might be the simple nudge it takes to move things along. From what I've learned from my studies of history, it has been women's workings (and by that I mean both the future bride and family females on both sides, friends, neighbors) that have usually gotten things going when it came down to moving things along. And when our society was more committed to family, supposedly people worked at it more.

But for far too many couples, this ultimatum is what pressures a man who really isn't the right one, yet he doesn't want to loose 'his good thing at the moment that he's put a lot of time and money into and he doesn't like change' into something that he's 'just not that into'.

But a woman does have to put her foot down. That free milk and a cow issue is true. Men will use you as long as they can for as little output as possible. Not EVERY man on the planet, but it will take one hell of a test to find the 4 who won't ever do it at some point. And they are probably already in a nursing home, so chances are I'll find one before you do.
:)
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

multiD: “Jonas, I too felt the way you do about living together, yet I see where they are coming from on that study.”

Errr. .. . didn't the study say the same thing that I did?

Granted, there were alternative reasons.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

smitty,
Just wanting to say nice knowing you in case you vanish today.
Be sure and drop me a line so I won't be so confused when you come back. Seems I'm always the last to figure out the reincarnations. OK, so I seldom figure them out, someone usually has to tell me!
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jayhawklawrence (Anonymous) says…

I think 21 is too young, but if you start dating when you are 15 or younger, 21 seems old.

The smart thing to do is to resist the peer pressure and focus on your education. Marriage, in most cases, should be about family and children are going to become your greatest responsibility.

When you are young you have many choices, but when you are older you have fewer and fewer. Make the right ones when you are young and you can have a happy and fulfilling life for you and your family.
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Machiavelli_mania (Anonymous) says…

I think the social institution of marriage should be abolished.

17 August 2009
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50YearResident (Anonymous) says…

Under 65, if you haven't got married by then it too late! Over 65 creates unlimited problems of all kinds.
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

And make darn sure your marriage (or relationship) is stable enough, both emotionally and financially before you start having kids.

__________

The best post. Too bad most people do just the opposite.
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Liberty_One (Anonymous) says…

The scary thing about marriage is that half of them last forever.
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Stat_Guys (Anonymous) says…

Smitty we've got your profile page recorded as of today in the event you disappear. Thought you'd like to know.

BuenaVista. We don't know who you are or perhaps used to be but you've got a good idea there. Hopefully some will join in on your comment. For the Stat_Guys I'll add:
3) a wife who continually claims no one ever sees her pierced tongue but she flicks and plays with it all too often and doesn't realize she does it apparently.
4) a wife who continually claims no one ever sees the large tattoo across her lower back that she snuck out and got against her parents rules as a teen..you know, the ones that always shows above her jeans around her muffin top and that short shirt at least two sizes too small.
17 August 2009
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

@jonas..I meant this part, sorry if I was unclear. So easy on here to do that.
“For me, I could never have gotten married to someone who I had never lived with.”

I think it's so easy to think people think like we do. I know in my first marriage, I saw that he came from a very similar home life to mine (or so it looked and sounded) and thus thought both our future actions would follow in those paths.

Oops. Yes, both our parents had worked all their lives. But actually, his dad had sold life insurance for the better part of his life and I really hadn't realized what that meant. It meant, his dad hung out at the office and his mom who was a teacher was responsible for bringing home the bacon, running the household and generally pushing to get anything fixed, tended to, or to get the dad's butt off the chair. I don't know how he was when he was younger, I have to admit, but never in the time I knew him did I see him eagerly do anything besides go eat food someone else had prepared for him.

My step dad was always working on something. Not compulsively, just wasn't even the sit in a chair and read type. He gardened, tinkered. If something was broken, he or my mom fixed it. Or if they couldn't, they called someone, nothing was unbroken for more than the shortest time possible. Everything was clean and in it's place at all times, every drawer and closet, even the bottoms of our PF flyers, lol.

So, apartment living together before marriage didn't give us the chance to learn how it would be in a 'home'. In an apartment what is there….taking out the trash? Helping carry the groceries? Easy stuff.

It was once it came to taking the trash out to the curb in cans each week and bringing those back, mowing, trimming, who is going to do that..him or her? Who is going to be truly responsible for the oil in the car? Washing it, vacuuming, detailing it and how often? Refilling the wiper fluid?
Toilets..drains.

I know this may sound crazy to some, but say in my case…I always had boyfriends who loved to take care of my cars. Sure, I used to get out there and detail the heck out of them when I first got them, and had a lot to time. But as for the oil and such, I had no clue, my dad took care of that of at the shop as I recall or maybe himself.

So once I got married, I looked to my husband to do these things. And the trash, the drains, the manly things that I had no clue about.

How can a man feel like a man..if he has no manly things to do for a woman? A couple needs to ask these things of each other before they marry.

Who will be in charge of paying the bills. Will you be having separate accounts on everything? I'd consult a lawyer on all of that before if I were you. People do evil things thinking they have the right to 'handle your money' as they want to. Nothing like finding out the marriage money was tricked away from your future security by a devious husband that you trusted.
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

@Prune..Hey buddy…about those tests…let's also have two tests..one for when a man's….can't write that here can I? Of course, it would probably be the same test, because men are always under the influence of the other brain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/…
17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

A friend wrote some time back on marriage:

“All the older guys I know, guys that are 55 and older are telling me the same story; don't do it. It just turns to crap no matter what you do.

They'd rather be independent. At best it's a tedious bore. At worst a living H*ll with financial ruin thrown in for good measure.

The problem is that when you're young, you just naturally fall into this mind set where your whole self image is based on how women regard you, and so you spend all your money and energy trying to make yourself acceptable to them.

Then later in life the shine wears off and you finally realize that you've wasted yourself on a bunch of crap.”
17 August 2009
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Practicality (Anonymous) says…

LOL Marion. Funny post, but kinda true.

17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

The guy also wrote:

“As men, we all know that a woman's primary objective is to marry. After years of experience I've discovered their most commonly used strategy. here it is:

1. Girl pressures guy for marriage.

2. Guy delays.

3. Girl gradually starts destroying guy's self-esteem and eliminating his friends.

4. Guy becomes too weak and too much of a loser to find something better than what he has.

5. Girl starts to limit sex. In effect controlling the only good thing in the guy's life.

6. Guy is in despair. Capitulates to marriage.

Then 5-10 years later the guy is an empty shell of his former self.

Girl is a ruthless manipulating machine. Girl divorces loser husband.

Girl takes 80% of guy's stuff because the guy is too brain dead to find a good lawyer.

Girl lives happily ever after.

Guy becomes bald alcoholic who dies of heart attack at 45 years old. ”
17 August 2009
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jonas_opines (Anonymous) says…

I guess we know now the set of rationalizations that Marion uses to sleep at night.
17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

More from my friend:

“Feminists believe that all men are evil abusers.

When a man abuses them, deep down they feel a creamy sense of satisfaction. Their belief has been validated.

They carefully craft a life and surround themselves with people who will create more of this abuse, confirming the belief structure.

This mentality has been studied and explored by countless psychologists, and is well-understood by all people with common sense.

But there is a more dangerous issue here.

Men are susceptible to women's opinions of us. When we get married, we are very likely to start changing in response to our woman's needs. We can't help it; her emotions are so strong, and our sense of responsibility to her is so deep, that we can't help but slowly become the man she envisions us to be.

That can be good, or bad. A man who is married to an angry feminist will often become more abusive, fulfilling her expectations of him. She accuses him of stuff he didn't do; finally he thinks “well, if she's going to treat me like a scumbag, then I should just go ahead and be a scumbag.”, while a man who marries a loving woman (who trusts men) will become more worthy of trust, thus fulfilling her expectations of him.

The old cliche of “behind every great man is great woman” is so true.

Choose a wife carefully. Her mental image of men will probably become your destiny. Avoid women who think badly of men ( includes the largest percentage of American women).

American women have been born and raised in the corrosive negative world of feminism. They can't help but think like a feminist and view the world like a feminist; they have learned to always emphasize the negative things about men, never the positive.

In any given situation, instead of saying “he's protective” they'll say “he's oppressive”

Instead of saying “he's smart” they'll complain “he demeans my intelligence”

Instead of saying “he's hard-working” they'll say “he's obsessed with work”

Instead of saying “he's confident” they'll say “he's an ego-monster”

The bottom line…every one of your qualities will be spun as a negative, not a positive.

Of course, they don't do this when dating. All women put up a good face early on. Later, after a few years of marriage, the real woman will emerge, and you will subjected to negative diatribes about you, day in, day out, like a constant weight on your shoulders.

When you marry a feminist, you will slowly change to become the bad man that she sees. All the negative aspects of you (which you've probably learned to suppress and minimize) will start to crop up again.

Eventually you'll say “well, to Heck with it, if she's going to attack me for a bad habit anyway, I might as well indulge in it.”

She will bring out the worst in you.

And of course, she'll be happy, because then she can scamper off to her feminist friends and say “SEE! We're right! Men really ARE as bad as we've said!”
17 August 2009
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smitty (Anonymous) says…

My brother really did marry eight times to the wonderment and dismay of his family. He would go to the singles events at a church, the only time he ever entered a church since childhood or previous marriges(s) to pick up those good women. hee hee They were the type to marry him before changing their minds. Guess he isn't the only dumb@*# out there. Yes, the rest of him was just as dumb above his dumb@*#!

Take a look at my generation get down and get funky
This is dedicated to knee jerks every where:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdAOi-…

They really don't want to disapperededed me. My guess is some where behind this screen the staff is ROFLthierAO.

multi. I'll reincarnate as MsUnderstood if the end of the world happens today.

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17 August 2009
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lwctown (Anonymous) says…

They should be old enough to know better.
17 August 2009
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sunflower_sue (Anonymous) says…

I got married a week after my 22nd birthday. Waaaayyyy too young! I've been married for 19 years now. I still maintain this marriage will never last! I only give it another 50 years or so…that's all I'm willing to put up with!

Prospector, did Whiteowl and Moonbeam ever tie the knot?
17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

I got married “ONCE” and that disaster occurred in 1972.
17 August 2009
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merrill (Anonymous) says…

Never have children before age 35 and none after the age of 51.

Live together first by all means.

“Men need to be at least 10 years older than their female counterparts because women mature at an earlier age”

Men never marry before 35 and women never before 25…. in the meantime enjoy yourselves you'll never regret it.

17 August 2009
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artichokeheart (Anonymous) says…

Geesh Marion did you get a bad one or what?
17 August 2009
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

artichokeheart (Anonymous) says…

Geesh Marion did you get a bad one or what?”

Marion writes:

No, actually, I got a very good one…or would have been a very good one a few years down the raod.

At the time we married she was a confirmed “Daddy's Little Princess” but I had no clue and paid the price.
17 August 2009
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none2 (Anonymous) says…

Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
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And of course, she'll be happy, because then she can scamper off to her feminist friends and say “SEE! We're right! Men really ARE as bad as we've said!””

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Marion, you have GOT to stop watching so many dramas on Oxygen or Lifetime. Change the channel!
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…

none2 (Anonymous) says…

Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
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And of course, she'll be happy, because then she can scamper off to her feminist friends and say “SEE! We're right! Men really ARE as bad as we've said!””

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Marion, you have GOT to stop watching so many dramas on Oxygen or Lifetime. Change the channel! ”

Marion writes:

You, none2, need to kiss my Heinie …………………..