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How do you feel now that Obama has won the election?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 6, 2008

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“I feel like it’s the most amazing thing that has happened in my lifetime. When I was listening to his acceptance speech, I was crying like a baby. Being raised on a reservation, this is honestly the first time in my life that I feel proud to be an American.”

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“I’m kind of excited and anxious. I hope that he can do the things he promised and bring about the change that people are looking for.”

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“I’m disappointed. It wasn’t surprising that he won - he is a pretty magnetic speaker - but I don’t agree with his philosophies. I guess time will tell. Hopefully he’s not as morally corrupt as the last Democrat we had in office.”

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“I’m pretty anxious to hopefully see things start to change, anxious to see what he’s actually going to do.”

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KSChick1 6 years, 8 months ago

smoked gouda, then baked brie, then colby, jack, mozzarella, provolone, bleu, cottage, head, etc.NOT KIDDING!

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

well... the smarter man won... that's for sure...and I like the idea of having a smart president...

trinity 6 years, 8 months ago

geebus larry the moocher, who pissed in your post toasties today???? nowhere did i read that mulci was asking for a handout or sitting on her butt. nor was she asking for any reparations, it seemed to me. i am of the opinion she has a valid point. what honestly do you know about being raised on a reservation? hmm? you haven't walked in her shoes-so shut the he!! up.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel like dancing! Imagine, being able to travel abroad and not having to pretend to be Canadian. This is a great thing, and once people who voted for his opponent learn that Obama really isn't a socialist and he really won't take your guns away, then they will start to come around. I anticipate a great presidency as he makes significant strides in correcting so many of the things going wrong with our country and in the world today. I also anticipate an even larger re-election victory in 2012. He won't be perfect, but he will be great.I wonder if Gay thinks pre-approved torture is moral?

BuffyloGal 6 years, 8 months ago

"...Hopefully he's not as morally corrupt as the last Democrat we had in office."Or the current Republican.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 8 months ago

"Sad for the country, sad for the world"Don't feel sad for the world-- by an extremely large margin, they are quite pleased with his election.

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

I was going to say something about Larry's post, but someone beat me to it. And "6-8 generations have passed since reparations." Uh, no, got that wrong, too. Kind of shows how you don't know anything about Native American history either.

canyon_wren 6 years, 8 months ago

VERY apprehensive--both for Obama's personal safety and what might lie ahead if something happens to him, and to the direction the country will take with no real balance (strong Dems in Congress with a Dem president). I am just hopeful that the doomsayers who passed around so much information about Obama's past and motives were misinformed, and that he really DOES intend to serve ALL of America's people. I don't for a minute think he can make good most of his promises, but no candidate has done that in the past, that I know of.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm expecting Tony Rezko to get Vince Fostered in the near future.

beawolf 6 years, 8 months ago

Moocher,You don't have a clue as to what your talking about. Not once in Mulci's post was there a mention of anyone, owing anybody, anything. I hope you are not as ignorant as your post indicated.

deec 6 years, 8 months ago

Or divorcing your wife who stood by you while you were a POW so you could marry your girlfriend, an attractive heiress? Is that "moral"? How about impregnating your mistress and leaving your wife to marry her. Is that "moral"?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

The left has established that no manner of vituperation is too mean-spirited or disgusting to be heaped on the President. That's not about to change for the big-eared dude in the expensive suit that's going to move into 1600 Penn. Avenue.Let the games begin.

lubyloo 6 years, 8 months ago

Optimistic about the future of the country for the first time in a long time.

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

Larry_The_Moocher (Anonymous) says: "Market down almost 500 points yesterday: approaching down 300 today. How do I feel?"I don't think you're allowed to do this. When posters have tried to say that the recession early in the decade was attributable to Bush, it has been quite frequently pointed out that it started during the end of the Clinton presidency, and as such was all Clinton's fault. Therefore, the recession must be all Bush's fault, if we are to consistently apply this logical inference. If, of course, consistency is the actual goal here.

sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

yes, only NOT heated. Too much like Bree then...and I hate Bree. (The one cheese I hate...well, that, and that horrible cheese that smells exactly like a billy goat in rut.) I forget what it's called except that now I have to go brush my teeth and gargle...twice.

geekin_topekan 6 years, 8 months ago

Havarti on a croissant with sprouts and avacado,a little mayo and just a swipe of dijon.But only if the avacados are harvested by immigrant workers whose children are attending AMerican schools to become the next generation of greatness in our country.

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

OOOPS! Here is another one I've ask to be rrmoved and it is still there. This offends me terribly!! Sure wish the site staff would do their job! follow the rules!!stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says: "or do you see Bill Clinton getting a blow-job in the oval office?"

rachaelisacancer 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel now that if I work hard to share my voice with the government, it might actually be heard. I feel like we might all have the opportunity to make a difference in our own lives, our own communities and throughout the world. Not because Obama won, but because America spoke up. As far as Obama winning specifically - I feel proud. I have only been around long enough to witness what I would consider three historic moments in American history. As an Oklahoman, I was witness to the bombing at Murrah. Next, I witnessed 9/11. For the first time, I am witnessing something that will be written in my great-niece's and nephew's history books that doesn't suck. I feel relieved and ready for the hard work it will take to keep America moving forward.

canyon_wren 6 years, 8 months ago

Good and useful perspective, sgtwolverine!

sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

lemurs in heat...I don't even want to think about it!sgt, you just had to go and bring up the old "Nikon vs Canon" arguement, didn't cha? Can't believe you opened up that can of worms! (I'm for Canon, btw, just...because!) ;)

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

I've ask for a comment here to be banned but unable to get it done. Above here is a foul word used to mean urinating and it offends me terribly. No need in using such terrible words!!

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

Gay...how about the moral corruption of waging war on another country based on lies... and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children... not to mention wasting the lives of thousands of our brave soldiers in the process...when you close your eyes at night do you see the bloodied, mangled bodies of the Iraqi children?or do you see Bill Clinton getting a blow-job in the oval office?

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

Well apparently you can use the words pissed and blowjob here with out any problem but use an old word used to call a homosexual what they are then you get your comment removed. That is the politically correct American way!!! One of you people here please add that "Q" word to see if you give up your comment!!

Topside 6 years, 8 months ago

Deec- So he should stay in a loveless marriage forever? He shouldn't go marry the love of his life (I'm assuming since they've been together forever) and stick with a woman he clearly didn't love but might have thought he did when he was younger? I bet his first wife is happier now too.

BigPrune 6 years, 8 months ago

By having the first African American president maybe now Great Britain, France and Germany won't be so blatently racist towards people of color.

JohnBrown 6 years, 8 months ago

Most of the fears and apprehensions expressed here by the right-wingers is simply a reflection of what they would do if they were in O'Bama's shoes, i.e. promote partisianship over smarts and competency when it comes to appointments. This won't happen. Smarts and competency will prevail under O'Bama; wingnuts, both left and right, will be left in the cold.Finally, a grown-up in the Whitehouse!

geekin_topekan 6 years, 8 months ago

I wonder is Mulci will expand education beyond Palin's BA in Journalism after 5 different colleges?If she receives a degree from Haskell she has already outqualified our latest veep candidate.Btw,"free education"?It is a LAW that the indians receive that education.Genocide survivors;hardly "free".

dipweed 6 years, 8 months ago

Sue, I think you mean brie cheese. I like a slice of cheddar slightly melted on apple pie....oh baby! Now back to the election....it was a win either way since GW will soon be gone.

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

imright"the bloodied, mangled bodies of Iraqi children" doesn't offend you?hmmm... interesting...

Alia Ahmed 6 years, 8 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says: To perfectly honest, I don't feel very well at all. I have a slight fever, diarrhea, upset stomach and a bit dizzy feeling. I just feel around crappy. You asked Mr. ljw ots Interviewer, and I am not kidding around either. I'm not completely ready and willing to say it's because Obama was elected, but not ruling it out either.Maybe too much of BigPrune's koolaid? Just kidding!

JohnBrown 6 years, 8 months ago

sgtwolverine, I'm not sure about that pendulum thingy. The so-called Republican party of today has been pretty much stripped bare of everything except its rural, white religious trappings (just look at a US county map colored red and blue). Gone are the days where an Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Henry Cabot Lodge, Nelson Rockefeller, Dwight Eisenhower, or even a Colin Powell or George Will, would feel welcome in this party. Gone are the days where anyone will believe that so-called Republicans really believe in either small government or a balanced budget. Look, George W and Ronald Reagan increased the federal deficit by $7 Trillion (of the $10 trillion)!!! That is no way "fiscal responsibility". All that seems to remain of the republican party are the Palins, Roves and DeLays.Two questions need to be answered. First, will the Republican party move to the center or more to the right? Second, in the meantime, where can a Lincoln, Roosevelt, Lodge, Rockefeller, Eisenhower, Powell or Will go today?

kidicarus 6 years, 8 months ago

"dlkrm (Anonymous) says: I find myself wondering if the Obamatons who were dazed in Grant Park will turn on their messiah when they find out he can't deliver the handouts he bought their votes with." I'd say a good number of those in attendance had college degrees and beyond. It turns out the undereducated actually supported John McCain. Check the numbers.

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

"geebus larry the moocher, who pissed in your post toasties today???? nowhere did i read that mulci was asking for a handout or sitting on her butt."Don't be too hard on him, Trinity. As far as I can see it, this is an unconscious diversion that naturally occurs in his mental-type if information is brought up that suggests his demographic has given him its own number of tacit advantages and handouts, though perhaps in a less-conspicuous manner, and that those handouts have frequently come to the detriment of several to many other demographics.

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

JohnBrown, I'm not so much concerned about the Republican party -- it'll find its way back to prominence -- as I am about the Democratic party: the former will be trying to find a viable identity, while the latter will be trying to figure out what to do with the remarkable amount of political power it gained on Tuesday. I think a political party is much more prone to serious problems when it has an unusual amount of power than it is when it's trying to find a way back into power.Sue, I know I'm really tempting fate by bringing up such a rancorous partisan issue like Canon vs. Nikon, but I just couldn't resist. Besides, I think a purchase of Nikon equipment is practically like handing money to the terrorists who hate America and want to see it destroyed. And everybody knows that Canon provides Pixels You Can Believe In!

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

I think we should call it Bob's Law.Also, I think we should blacklist anyone who uses that tactic.

sherbert 6 years, 8 months ago

I think that's why I'm feeling so depressed today. There's much more, but, better left unsaid. We'll just wait and see what happens, I don't think he's going to be anyones saviour.

BigPrune 6 years, 8 months ago

To answer the question of the day: I feel apprehensive since Obama is a socialist or should I just come right out and say it, a Marxist - at least most of the research I've done on his past has shown me - of course since the national media never vetted our president elect, I had to do it on my own and from reliable sources.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm throwing an unnecessary upper-case letters flag.

Dale Stringer 6 years, 8 months ago

Let's wait and see how he does.He did a great job winning this election against Pres. Bush since most Dem adds mentioned both McCain and Bush with the focus on Bush's policies. I hope he doesn't tried to force things through Congress. Yes the Dems have the majority in the House and the Senate. The problems is they are still the Democratic Party and could fragment like they did during Clinton's 2nd term.

meggers 6 years, 8 months ago

No matter what one's political leanings, I think we should all be proud of the fact that the people of this nation 'called upon their better angels', as Obama might say, and elected what they believe to be best man for the job, regardless of the color of his skin. This is a proud time to be an American.

BuffyloGal 6 years, 8 months ago

XD40 - both Germany and England have elected women to lead their country. France currently has a first generation immigrant in charge. They have no history of slavery that compares to ours either. You are also assuming that Bea only travels to Europe. How American to think there is nowhere else in the world. Perhaps it is the current cowboy in charge's attitude that has given the world to look down their noses at us? Perhaps it is the cowboy's handling of our economy that has destroyed so many others around the world as a result that has done it.

preebo 6 years, 8 months ago

For the first time in the past eight years I feel that I am finally represented in my government. A sign that one young man in New York City held up on election night said it all...Bush, You're Fired!Sidebar: I think it would be appropriate to place banners (similar to the one that read, mission accomplished) on the White House and the Capital, and they should read "Under New Management."My family and I were present in Grant Park tuesday night. It was the single greatest sociopolitical moment in my lifetime. To have my son, Julian, whom is of mixed race, witness this event drove this home to my wife and I. To say I am proud is an understatement.

trinity 6 years, 8 months ago

fave cheese? a hunk of cheddar jack eaten along with a nice crispy apple. mmmm MMMM!

mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

preebo,I watched Obama's speech on tv, and actually enjoyed listening to a speech for once. probably the only one i have listened to all year. Probably would have went myself if I lived in Chicago. truly a historic event.

sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

dipweed, I hate brie so much I can't even spell it. :)TOB, billy goat is a smell you'd never forget! And it's nothing like cottage cheese. I love me some cottage cheese, except strangely, I could never eat it when I was pregnant. It just smelled funky to me then. It's like my extra sensory perception kicked in and said: "Are you nuts? That's poison!"

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 8 months ago

"Tom, I find it very reasonable to believe the natty light made you ill. See, that really isn't even beer. I'm not sure what it is..but it should not be consumed by humans. I find it queer that humans do actually sale and consume such products. That shot of Beam should make it all right."Autie, you really are outright disgusting. You may think people don't know what you're REALLY saying but think again. I may have fallen off a turnip truck but it sure as heck wasn't yesterday! I'm just surprised you didn't call him "Uncle" Tom.

jaj_notaho 6 years, 8 months ago

Its amazing how Larry knows that she doesnt have a job and just sits on her ass all day and mooches....ahh the powers he must have..in fact I have powers too and see that hes just mad because he used all of his food stamps at his cousins shotgun wedding and cant get through the rest of the month..bitter bitter man.

sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel like a woman...duh da duh da da duh datopside, I think deec was trying to point out that McCain would not have been any less morally corrupt than Clinton. Actually, according to traditional Christian views, from what we see, McCain gets the lower grade. He took those "forever...no matter what...until death" vows like most of us did. It's never right to date someone else while still married. Maybe if his affair would have started later...but it didn't. Now, personally, I don't care what they do...none of my business...and did I mention that I really don't care? But just going on the facts, Gay up there doesn't make a whole lot of sense...unless she voted for a wrtie-in.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

I find myself wondering if the Obamatons who were dazed in Grant Park will turn on their messiah when they find out he can't deliver the handouts he bought their votes with.

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, and I feel relieved. My phone hasn't rang a single time today!

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound, you're a real tool. Read up on socialism. Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are all full-on supporters. Yes, we've had some degree of socialism here since Wilson. But P/R/Ob want to nationalize everything, and they got a good start when their comrade Bush pushed through the bailout.By the way, check out the eyes on those Obamatons during the speech. I've seen those eyes on Moonies, the intoxicated, and the deranged. Never at a presidential victory speech.I know you don't care if people you oppose politically lose the freedoms they cherish. But when you start losing the ones you cherish, we won't be around to help you out.

bolshavik_vw 6 years, 8 months ago

as far as I am concerned. You can try to turn the state Red, and try to smother me with Red Paint. All you'll get from me is Purple.

shutnmdown 6 years, 8 months ago

larry the moocher said...Typical, the world owes me for being born attitude. Listen to me Mulci and the others like you, 6 to 8 generations have past since things that invented the word "Reperations" happened. Here is the truth: no one owes you anything: You are getting basically a free education. That should be enough. My advice to you is to get off your butt, get a job, and quit mooching off working people and you will then feel "Proud to be an American".F. you and what you represent. You aint got to say all that about that. I'm proud to be a native. So is she, and you can just save your advice for later patna. So what if we get free education. So what if you work to pay for those that do with out. So what, and if you don't like it, quit working and go somewhere else..cuz we damn sho aint got too....

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

I am a receptionist at my job, and I take calls from agents all around the world on a daily basis. I cannot even tell you how many calls I got yesterday from our clients around different areas of the world, THANKING me and the rest of America for voting Obama into office. That's powerful. This election was a victory for everyone, not just the US, but for mankind.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

bolshavik_vw:post your address, we'll bring the paint.

Trobs 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel the same. We're screwed no matter what. There has not been a president or congress in the past 100 years that has followed the laws laid out in the constitution. Who cares? We're safe right? No scary terrorists attacking us. We have welfare and plenty of other taxpayer backed social services. In fact, if we try really hard, the government can eventually make all our decisions for us. Then we can't hurt ourselves thinking. It's a slippery slope with large government. The bigger it is, the easier it is to take away the one thing that is suppose to make us Americans. Our God given right to unchallenged freedom. Keep fighting over ideologies. In the end the Republicans and Democrats want the same thing. Power. Once they get it, they can push their agendas out using their legions of followers to back them up. If you object, you are a racist, a terrorist, a socialist, or gasp someone who is anti-american. What happened to having freedom to say what you want? Everyday it gets worse and worse on these boards. Different thoughts are spouted and fighting ensues. Should you really fight each other? I don't think so. It's everyone's right to say what's on your mind. What do I matter though right? Just another anonymous stranger rambling on the forums. I'm sure someone will take offense with what I say.

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

"And I don't require the so-called 'help' of some jackass who can't make his 'point' to me without calling me a name."Does anyone else find that one funny?

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel bad for Obama: based on the overwrought positive reactions I'm seeing, he has pretty much no chance to live up to expectations.Anyway, the back-and-forth cycle of politics reminds me of the constant competition between Canon and Nikon. One company puts out a great new camera and sales go up and it brags, then the other company puts out a better camera and sales go up and it brags. Rinse, repeat. With one party so much in charge now -- which probably isn't good for the country, regardless of which party it is -- a future pendulum swing is inevitable. So basically, don't get too depressed or too comfortable (depending on your political affiliation); it's only temporary. That's why I don't bother getting worked up about all of this.

canyon_wren 6 years, 8 months ago

windlass says: "The president has always been a white male from a wealthy background - a former CEO or a lawyer."That is 'way too much of a generalization for me to overlook it. Just going back as far as Harry Truman cancels that out--and he's the first one to come to mind. You may be right as far as in recent years, but I can't see that Obama--except that he isn't white--is a whole lot different--he IS an attorney, remember!We can only hope for the best for this country and neither candidate offered much hope to me. Living in Utah, though, it didn't matter much that I didn't vote for either one.

canyon_wren 6 years, 8 months ago

Maybe the cheese that smelled like a billy goat in rut was Limburger? You don't hear much about it anymore, but it used to be "standard fare" in a lot of jokes and cartoons and must have been pretty awful. Wonder what ever happened to it--did they just change the name??

Deja Coffin 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama is just as much white as he is black. He's biracial, can you say biracial? I knew you could!

gogoplata 6 years, 8 months ago

Well it would be difficult for him to be worse than W. But I am sure he will continue the tradition of crapping on the constitution that he will soon swear to uphold. I don't see anything about Obama that would make me say he is a great man. George W is not a great man. Too much gets made out of the man who is president. It is a fairly simple job. If you were bold enough to actually read the constitution and follow it.

jumpin_catfish 6 years, 8 months ago

One just like another sin's a good man's brother but is that rightYou tell me that you don't then you say you won't but that you might.....

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound04 (Anonymous) says:"The bitterness from some of the right is pretty sad and pitiful.If McCain were elected, I would have been disappointed, but still able to support my president-elect."I can buy that from you, but you have to admit there would be plenty who wouldn't.

gogoplata 6 years, 8 months ago

The GOP is a joke. Now we have to spend the next 4-8 years learning the hard way that the Democrtic party is a joke too. Where are the lovers of liberty?

Deja Coffin 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm glad it's over and done with. Whatever will be will be. But I really am tired of talking about it. I have resorted to watching The Ultimate Fighter Challenge and Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew just so I don't have to watch a million shows about the presidency. I mean really, I don't care. You want my political opinion, they all sucked. I voted even though I don't see the point because of the electorial college and number of votes per state, blah blah blah. And I may have voted for Obama then again, shoot I could have voted for Nader. Who cares? He's the president now and I'm sure within these 4 years people will change their minds about him, some for the good, some for the bad. Can we please talk about something else. Cheese.....my favorite, NACHO! Does that count?

stuckinthemiddle 6 years, 8 months ago

"Obama is a socialist or should I just come right out and say it, a Marxist - at least most of the research I've done on his past has shown me - of course since the national media never vetted our president elect, I had to do it on my own and from reliable sources."~chuckle~finally... an enjoyable read in this thread...

Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

Topside (Anonymous) says: "Deec- So he should stay in a loveless marriage forever? He shouldn't go marry the love of his life (I'm assuming since they've been together forever) and stick with a woman he clearly didn't love but might have thought he did when he was younger? I bet his first wife is happier now too."I'm not surprised someone on here would support adultery, especially a conservative. Deec wasn't saying he should stay in a loveless marriage, but that didn't mean he had to cheat on his first wife (who waited for his pathetic self). I love this "keep marriage sacred between a man and a woman" junk. Sure, it's "sacred," but it's okay to cheat (as long as it's with another woman and not a man).

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

"Also, I think we should blacklist anyone who uses that tactic."We should call it "the-color-that-can't-be-named-list".

bolshavik_vw 6 years, 8 months ago

I am loving this. it is time for all of us to now have some one our OUR side. It is time for all of us who have been treated badly for being a Woman, or other type of Minority to now have a true leader, on OUR side. It is time for all the women out there to FINALLY get the justice we deserve, for being or have been involved in Domestic Violence at some point in our lifetime. To finally get Equal Pay that we have so much deserved, And once I found out the other day that they had passed it sometime ago. It made me angry. But thats what you get when you get someone who only looks out for themselves and the Rich People in their party. But please do me a favor Do not go stupid and vote for MS DUMB PALIN in 2012.

tin 6 years, 8 months ago

deec (Anonymous) says: Or divorcing your wife who stood by you while you were a POW so you could marry your girlfriend, an attractive heiress? Is that "moral"? How about impregnating your mistress and leaving your wife to marry her. Is that "moral"?Yeah because sticking a cigar up some young aids privates while in the oval office with your wife just down the hall is certainly moral not to mention lying to the world about what you did. Funny how your all so quick to point out the faults of your opponents yet dismiss the misgivings of your own. Does anyone have a moral spine anymore or is it all left or right anymore not right or wrong?

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

kidicarus, your hate shows through. They're Obamatons not because they have or do not have college degrees, but because they are robots who believe they have elected a messiah who will give them free stuff. I guess they learned in college that socialism rocks.Before you get all high and haughty about the educated voting for the Obamessiah, maybe you should look at how the vote broke down by income level. The "educated" may have turned out for him, but the successful did not.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Did 95% of the Scots-Irish vote for Reagan?

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

Jaminrawk,Of course the college educated need enormous handouts. Obama promised cheaper college tuition and help with student loans. It's not the "poor" in "rural America" asking for handouts. They know how to make it. And the fact that they have 5 figure incomes, rather than 6 or 7 figures, doesn't make them poor. The standard of living in rural America is much higher than in the cities due to the lower cost of living. As I mentioned in a previous post, the "educated" may have tilted towards Obama, but the successful did not.

blahblahblah 6 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick, that sounds serious. Oh noes! I wonder if he knows any members of the Nacirema tribe? ;)

roger_o_thornhill 6 years, 8 months ago

Pepper jack is good, but straight jack is tasty on a water cracker-though I might be unAmerican for admitting I like water crackers (damn limey invention). I think it is funny just how much more disappointed some here seem to be about the outcome of the election than even the other fella who ran. McCain's concession was gracious and he really seemed optimistic about the future. I don't think he liked the boos when he mentioned Obama either. This Red Team/Blue Team politics-as-spectator-sport business is a bit nauseating. Maybe some cheese will help. Stop the Hate! On all Sides! Remember what the Jesus said...Those of you who profess to be Christian, Remember!!!

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

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BuffyloGal 6 years, 8 months ago

"Also, the women elected in England and Germany were not people of color. " - so we have to elect Michelle Obama? As for the slave trade, we all know the deal of molasses and rum to slaves. No news flash there. Your placing Arab countries in Europe is interesting though. Talk about patronizing.Now the real question of the day - the answer is roquefort and it is wonderful, despite the smell!

imright 6 years, 8 months ago

Lets see if this works........I love being able to use LJW comment pages to express my views! Isn't it wonderful to have this excellent newspaper? Now lets see?

Jaminrawk 6 years, 8 months ago

It cracks me up that this thread is always filled with the same 10-15 cranky conservatives. If anyone saw the demographics on who actually voted for who, one of the more interesting groups was the higher educated (i.e. college grads). They overwhelmingly voted pro Obama. So the thought that only people who require "handouts" would vote for Obama seems off-base. As a matter of fact, poorer communities (often rural) voted strongly pro-McCain.I also find it funny that Gay thinks Clinton was a bad president because he was "morally corrupt". Alexander was a morally corrupt leader, as was Kennedy, and Thomas Jefferson (if you beleive the rumors). Does that mean the country didn't thrive under them? I guess having a strict conservative in GW who has run the economy into the ground and helmed a seemingly never ending war is way better. I know my 401K looked A LOT better under Clinton than it does under GW.

beatrice 6 years, 8 months ago

ottr: "I cried alright! Tears of fear, not of joy!"The only thing to fear is fear itself. Buck up, man. Quit being a wimp.ottr: "You have no clue what B. Hussein O. is about!"Yes we do -- he is ABOUT to become your President! hahahahaha

Trobs 6 years, 8 months ago

If Obama is serious about Bipartisanship, he'd take McCain on staff.

gogoplata 6 years, 8 months ago

I am against the president elect. I love America and I am against this new president. It is an illusion that a president can make the country better. The people of this country can make the country better not the president. We have seen that a president does have a great capacity for making the country worse. Obama would be a great president if he would get the government out of the way. Unfortunately he will be more of the same.You people should learn a lesson about this kind of thing from the last time this happened. Remember when Bush won the first time. It was all about him and how this great Christian man was going to return the USA to goodness and decency. Look what happened. He turned out to be one of the worst presidents in the history of our nation. The president is just a man. He is a man with too much power we would all be wise to be very very very suspicious of.

Tony Kisner 6 years, 8 months ago

Read all the post, now ready to chime in; what was the question?

JohnBrown 6 years, 8 months ago

sgtwolverine: yes, the above is funny. I see O'Bama 'working problems' rather than pushing agendas, and this means a move to the center. Your concern about the Democratic party is well taken, but with so much room to move around in, and with the "political center' moving a little more left with each high school graduation, I think that O'Bama can recreate a new, more centrist party that's based more on practicalities, mostly because of the dire straights we are in economically. He will need a few center-right repubs to help pass some of his legislation (and maybe even help sustain any needed vetos). If he goes this route we may find that there is room in the Democratic party for center-right people too (like our western dems are).

kusp8 6 years, 8 months ago

Well I kinda feel hungry....so I think I'll make some meatloaf. Problem solved

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 8 months ago

SchadenfreudeThank you Py. Recently, I was looking for that word, and I couldn't find it.( So, I hope you also can derive pleasure from another's fortune... mine. ),;-)

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

"I agree with jonas - I believe you, but there are plenty of comments above that refute the notion that very many Obama supporters would have supported McCain."I don't think we entirely agree. Plenty, to my mind, does not equate to the majority numbers you seem to be suggesting here. I would say that most Obama supporters would have supported McCain. I think the issue here is taking the comments on this forum as representative . That's probably a mistake of some magnitude.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick...Coorelation. How much did the Dow go down the day after Obama was elected?

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

"This election was a victory for everyone, not just the US, but for mankind."That's exactly the sort of sentiment that makes me think he has very little chance of meeting expectations. Much of what is being said about him and his election -- like the above statement -- is the sort of thing I wish people would leave to history to judge. I know there are many who aren't going to want to acknowledge this, but I think it's realistic to say that he, like any other president-elect, has the same chance of being a bad president as he has of being a good one. I'm not saying whether he'll be good or bad; I'm just saying we don't know, and we can't know right now. And just as I'd like to see his vocal critics wait for his presidency to start to criticize his decisions, I'd like to see his gushing fans wait for his presidency to start to canonize him.

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

sgtwolverine,I do agree with you to a point. People are excited. Excited about the possibility of change. Excited about the fact that FINALLY, the opportunity for change is here. I guess I should rephrase then. I am thrilled that we have an opportunity for something great. What we, we being us as Americans, and we being us as a government, do with that opportunity is what is really in question. The problem is, there are so many people who are so horrified of Obama, that they are going to expect him to change the world in an hour, or else he has failed us. But it took us nearly 8 years to realize that Bush failed us. Quit being so afraid everyone! How much worse can it get, honestly? If we don't all come together and work at this to be a better people and a better country, than yes, Obama will likely fail. He needs us just as much as we need him.

karmaxs3 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm happy Obama won, I sincerely hope he can take the walk his mouth started. But....the absolute worship and idolization on the faces of the people in Grant Park, now THAT'S what scares the bejeezus out of me. WAKE UP PEOPLE! HE'S JUST A MAN! (hopefully a man that hasn't been purchased by the corporate lobbyists and the promise of power....)To sum up in two words, I feel cautiously hopeful.

amart84 6 years, 8 months ago

Regarding Gay's absurd comment. Short of drug trafficking or pedophilia I really don't care what the president is doing behind closed doors. I would much rather have a morally corrupt president (if you can even call it that) than someone who is going to corrupt the entire country (BUSH). The job of the president is to serve the people and Clinton definitely succeeded at that far more than any other president in the last 30 years.

Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

I feel pretty, and witty and gay . . . and I pity anyone who isn't me today . . . would someone please pour me a little more Kool-aid?

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

The O'dude's new chief of staff appears to have been elbow-deep in the Fannie Mae mess.http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1I hope he's changed.

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

It obviously took longer than 4 years, or else we wouldn't be discussing this right now.And I live in LA. So that can open up a whole can of worms as to why my opinion doesn't matter, I would guess. Eh..Too late to worry about it much now anyway. What's done is done, so I wish people would just be hopeful and positive instead of worrying about socialism, or terrorists, or any other nonsense. Positive mental attitude works wonders. Or maybe we are just delusional...

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

BuffyloGal (Anonymous) says: "They have no history of slavery that compares to ours either."You're serious?Slavery was commonplace throughout Europe for centuries. Yes, it ended long before it did here (to be replaced by serfdom - big change) - then again, as folks are fond of pointing out, Europe's history predates ours by millenia. Our young nation outgrew slavery much faster than our European forebears. Oh, and by the way, as someone else pointed out above, most of the people in this country are descended from people who chose to leave the paradise of Europe - or were kicked out by the 'enlightened' ones for such unforgiveable transgressions as attending church on the wrong side of the street.***logicsound04 (Anonymous) says: "If McCain were elected, I would have been disappointed, but still able to support my president-elect."I agree with jonas - I believe you, but there are plenty of comments above that refute the notion that very many Obama supporters would have supported McCain. He lost, and they're still* taking every opportunity to attack him.I will criticize our president-elect when warranted, which doesn't mean I won't support him. As to the others I believe you were referring to, don't worry: I'm sure they'll treat president Obama with all the same support and respect with which the folks around here have treated our current president.****How do I feel? Pretty much the same as when someone asks "How does it feel to turn [enter age here]?" following a birthday - a day older, but not a heck of a lot different.

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

"The problem is, there are so many people who are so horrified of Obama, that they are going to expect him to change the world in an hour, or else he has failed us."That's not the problem that concerns me. I'm concerned about the people who are so in awe of Obama that they're going to expect him to change the world in an hour. That's the overwrought reaction I'm seeing, and it makes me nervous. I'm used to people anxious for a president to fail, but I'm not used to people being so unrealistically anxious for a president to be The Most Amazing Person Ever.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

logicsound-let's see: insults, lies, jackass. Who is the name caller?By the way, calling Obama a socialist is NOT an attack, it is a statement of his worldview. Read about Saul Alinsky and the gang. These are people that Obama said in his "memoirs" that he intentionally sought out and modeled his career and ideology after. He wants to nationalize healthcare; the dem gang is looking into confiscating everyone's 401(k)s and investing them in a social security trust; Obama wants a "civilian" national security force (do I hear "brownshirts"?). Need I continue? Just read his books, you'll learn a lot about what motivates him and what he yearns for.Try reading about the Trinity Church. After 20 years, Obama didn't know his pastor was an outrageous racist, touting Marxism and hate. It only took me 5 minutes on the Church's website.You play the liberal victim well. Anytime anyone brings up a fact, shout about how unfair the name-calling is. Since that was Obama's main tactic during the presidential campaign, I'm sure the country will grow tired of that old tripe really soon.No, I haven't looked at your profile. But you sound like you have delusions of grandeur.Stop listening to Air America, read a book, and maybe you'll realize that there are things going on outside your tiny world. Obama won, but it was because conservatism wasn't on the menu. Conservatism has won everytime it has been on the ballot, and it has worked everytime and everywhere it has been tried.

Deja Coffin 6 years, 8 months ago

TOB, Did you vote for me? Awww I'm flattered!!! Deja in 2012!!! Uh, actually can we push it back to 2024, I got a couple little ones that need me first, then I can run the country.

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

"Conservatism has won everytime it has been on the ballot, and it has worked everytime and everywhere it has been tried."Somehow, I have the feeling that we would find all of your metrics on "works" would be based on the same notions of that conservativism in the first place.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkerincali - Wow, I just checked out the Trinity Church website. They have changed it significantly, so I see what you mean. I last read the website in August, and it was much more in your face. Jeremiah Wright was still listed as senior pastor at that time, even though we were told he had retired. Based on the new, friendlier, website of the former church of the president-elect, I would strongly encourage you to read more about the movement since it's leanings are no longer so obvious on the web.

Satirical 6 years, 8 months ago

Logicsound04..." think you'll find (and many conservatives agree, including Bill Kristol, for one) that Obama will govern from the center."Have you seen who Obama has picked as some of his advisors?Also, I think it would be politcially wise for him to be moderate that way he can get re-elected. Although he may make the same mistake Clinton made in 1992 when the Dems had control of the legislative and executive branch and try to push the country far left with things like Hillary Healthcare. History showed the moderates revolted and Republicans took back control of Congress.Based on his books, and his speeches, his associations, and his votes I think it is fair to say Obama is far left. But if he is smart he will not push his far left agenda immediately and attempt to do so in his second term (heaven forbid).

sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

"I think the issue here is taking the comments on this forum as representative . That's probably a mistake of some magnitude."It's probably a mistake to do much of anything with user comments from anywhere on the internet.

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

jonas_opines (Anonymous) says: "I don't think we entirely agree. Plenty, to my mind, does not equate to the majority numbers you seem to be suggesting here. I would say that most Obama supporters would have supported McCain. I think the issue here is taking the comments on this forum as representative . That's probably a mistake of some magnitude."Sorry, poorly worded comment. I meant I agreed with you as far as logicsound being capable of supporting McCain even if he was disappointed or if he doesn't agree with his policies, the rest of my comment wasn't meant to imply you'd said those things about the majority. And I was only referring to the message board members when I said not very many seem equally as capable of supporting McCain had he won, not the general population. Sorry for the implication of my poor choice of words.Incidentally, I think people on both sides tend to see the negative more than the positive. Yes, there are a lot of comments here attacking the president-elect, but I also noticed many saying they'll support him. Just as the ones attacking McCain seem to stick out more to me, when others may get the impression there's only a few that are being negative. C'est la vie.

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

Jonas - I understand - I wouldn't want to be mistaken for agreeing with me either if I were you. ;)

pissedinlawrence 6 years, 8 months ago

Horrible, I am sad this happened during my lifetime.

Danimal 6 years, 8 months ago

I can't believe how crazy people get over Obama. Bush hasn't been awesome, but last time I checked the US is still the best place to live. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how this can be a positive step forward. I hope he doesn't find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq now that things are finally going our way there. I saw the impromptu parade on Tuesday night and was horrified. If you would have put little red books in their upraised fists it would have completed the pictures. I just don't get how someone can get so wrapped up in someone that they will probably never met and whose existence - frankly - has virtually no impact on their own. I hope he really is as BA as he presents himself, but I think we're about to be sorely disappointed. I guess that the overbearing, gushing support bothers me because I've seen it elsewhere in the world with few positive results. I know it won't get that bad here, but really with a friendly, almost filibuster-proof Congress and the trust of the people he could do a great amount of evil.

PapaB 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm just waiting for him to hand out reparations. Just think, he can package it up as an econimic stimulus package since we know the money would go right back into the economy. I'm partly joking, but there is some truth to it (anyone see the skit on the Chapelle Show?)

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

"I didn't find anything that would imply that anyone is an outrageous racist. What I found is a religious group who is very proud of their cultural background, very strong in their faith, and ready and willing to help out their community." -MeSince I have a feeling that statement will get torn apart, let me elaborate a bit further - as a big ol' group of Kansans, we should especially know what it's like to be "Loud, proud, and American". You know, the flag-waving, NASCAR-attending, beer-drinking, gun-toting, oh, some would call them rednecks. Is that not virtually the same thing? A group VERY into their heritage, where they came from, and where they are going? There are PLENTY of those kind of people from all races, religions, genders, walks of life living among us, and we don't feel threatened by them. There are a lot of those people right here on these boards. What it is seemingly boiling down to for me, is that there are a whole lot of racists among us that are pointing the finger the other direction so as to not draw attention to their own ignorant ideas or beliefs.

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

Continued:Besides that, everyone is so focused on Obama's church primarily because of Rev. Wright's "F*** America" rant. Tell me, have you ever been discouraged with your country and the way things are going? Like how about right now? Have you ever been so fed up, so angry that you just want to scream? Have you ever felt like the beliefs that we founded this country by (All men are created EQUAL for one) were in shambles, and frankly a lie? I'm guessing, especially in the last 8 years, a LOT of us have been fed up. And when we are fed up we tend to say things that we don't necessarily mean, it's just how we feel at THAT MOMENT. And have any of us sat in one of their church services? Do we know that they conduct services weekly that way? We don't. We don't know what he said before or after that, why he felt the way he felt at that time, what the entire context was, and we don't know how things went in the weeks that followed. We weren't there. So all these "facts" that everyone is spewing is simply SPECULATION. Quit dividing our country and unite. There is nothing to be done about who our next President will be. It's over now, no recounts, no redos. Accept it, and let's work together to mkae the next 4 years a hell of a lot better than the last 8. One love, people.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkerincali-All sin is wrong, so my pastor would be committing malpractice if he didn't emphasize that. But it's not just homosexuality and racism that are wrong. So are adultery, taking advantage of the downtrodden (hey, that's how Obama got elected!), coveting others' stuff, cheating, etc. It is a great act of love to try to rescue others from evil! But the point of the Christian life is to be conformed to the image of Christ, which is a two - part act: fleeing evil AND pursuing righteousness. There's plenty of room for you in my Church, which, no, is not hypocritical, close-minded or hateful. too bad you're in Cali, but I'm sure there are fine places for you to seek out there.By the way, Trinity Church is known all around for its racist views. Even Oprah bailed out after a very brief stay. Their literature is easy to obtain, as are the works they cite as their inspiration. Do a little more research, don't limit yourself to their website and assume that what you hear on the news was a one-time thing.

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

I am never one to try and pretend like I know everything about everything, so I certainly wouldn't say I am confident or sure that their teachings aren't extreme. But I also can't say that they are. I will take your advice and read more about it, but the problem with looking into things further these days is everything is so watered down or in contrast, beefed up and becomes something it really is not. Right now many to most feel very strongly one way or the other, so everything is so biased, I don't trust much I read these days, unless it comes directly from the source (like their website). Unfortunately, as is apparant by the difference in their website over the past 3 months since you saw it, even the direct source isn't always the complete truth.I just think everyone's touch with godliness is more of a matter of convenience. For MOST. Not all, of course. We throw out God and religion when it benefits our often irrelevant point, but the second no one is looking, we're all back to our sinning ways. So I find it hard to attack someone's religious affiliations, when likely ours isn't all that pure either.

jonas_opines 6 years, 8 months ago

notajayhawk: Just clarifying. Better than not doing so.

grammaddy 6 years, 8 months ago

It feels so good, but it will feel even better when the left and right can come together to support our new president and put a stop to the hate-mongering and fear.

dlkrm 6 years, 8 months ago

since logicsound plays the game of "I didn't like what I heard so I'm going to pretend like I didn't hear anything, I will copy my previous post that he pretends not to have read."By the way, calling Obama a socialist is NOT an attack, it is a statement of his worldview. Read about Saul Alinsky and the gang. These are people that Obama said in his "memoirs" that he intentionally sought out and modeled his career and ideology after. He wants to nationalize healthcare; the dem gang is looking into confiscating everyone's 401(k)s and investing them in a social security trust; Obama wants a "civilian" national security force (do I hear "brownshirts"?). Need I continue? Just read his books, you'll learn a lot about what motivates him and what he yearns for.Try reading about the Trinity Church. After 20 years, Obama didn't know his pastor was an outrageous racist, touting Marxism and hate. It only took me 5 minutes on the Church's website."Bill Kristol is a neocon, not a conservative. A neocon is simply a big spending, Hawkish interventionist with an R after his name, ala GWBush.I also never implied that everyone who voted for Obama is an Obamaton. The ones who voted for HOPE AND CHANGE but have no idea what he means by that are the Obamatons. Read his books and you'll know what he means by H&C. People who voted for Obama because he supports wealth redistribution, universal healthcare, etc., at least had a reason for voting for him. Tens of millions, however, just chanted the mantra and now find themselves not knowing what they voted for.

jayhawkerincali 6 years, 8 months ago

dlkrm- "Try reading about the Trinity Church. After 20 years, Obama didn't know his pastor was an outrageous racist, touting Marxism and hate. It only took me 5 minutes on the Church's website."I just spent about 20 minutes on their website, allow me to site it for people since you didn't..http://www.tucc.org/I didn't find anything that would imply that anyone is an outrageous racist. What I found is a religious group who is very proud of their cultural background, very strong in their faith, and ready and willing to help out their community. Okay, maybe they are a little over the top with it, but I don't think it's anything to be "scared" of. Besides, are you trying to tell us that MOST religious groups aren't hateful, close-minded, or hypocritical?As I mentioned yesterday, I live in LA. California just passed Prop 8, which bans gay marriage, which is a whole other can of worms that doesn't need to be opened. My point being though, the number one reason given to those who passed this proposition was RELIGION. I went to Catholic school K-12th grade, and was drowned in religion as long as my conscious memory works. Hate, hate, hate. Anyone who isn't Catholic will spend eternity in hell for not accepting the love of Christ into their cold, dead hearts. Jesus taught us to love our fellow man, treat others as you wish to be treated, yet eye for an eye..it's a big jumbled mess. How many of you participate in some sort of faith service weekly? They've never told you that being gay was wrong? That converting from Catholicism to Judaism was bad? Your religion isn't the end-all be-all? Please, if you find a religion that teaches tolerance and is accepting of ANYONE and EVERYONE, point me in that direction, but in my limited time on this planet, I've yet to find one. Pointing out someone's religion, or where they choose to practice it as a reason to dislike or be afraid of someone is just irresponsible in my book. No religion is perfect, no person's faith system is without flaws.

LZ 6 years, 8 months ago

Obama sucks... Socialism is not the answer... In 4 years, most everybody will regret voting for the democratic party. I especially don't like the fact that he is trying to take away 2nd amendment rights, and heavily tax guns and ammunition

notajayhawk 6 years, 8 months ago

"I think you'll find (and many conservatives agree, including Bill Kristol, for one) that Obama will govern from the center. He is not a liberal extremist, nor are most of the people that voted for him."I sincerely hope you're right, logicsound.Perhaps it's my admittedly baised opinion, but it seems to me that he was closer to the center during the primaries, distinguishing himself from from Hillary. Then during the general election campaign he moved farther left, both to mollify the Democratic base and to further distinguish himself from his opponent and his party (just as McCain tried to pacify the conservatives, a more difficult task as he was simultaneously trying to distance himself from the current administration). Some of the early interviews of his (e.g. the one saying the Warren Court wasn't radical enough) suggest he at least was far left at one time. It's not unusual for any politician to present him (or her-) self differently at different times and to different audiences. It's entirely possible that the president-elect was, earlier on, a radical leftist, and perhaps he simply matured and broadened his outlook. Perhaps the political views it was necessary to espouse representing Chicago in the Illinois senate wouldn't serve him well in front of the wider constituency of the entire nation, and he's certainly a savvy enough politician to know that.I really do hope you're right. I really do hope all the Obama supporters were right. I live here too, ya' know, and it would do me little good to wish him failure since that would affect me as well as everyone else. But I wish I knew for sure which Barak Obama is planning on taking office.

RiverCityConservative 6 years, 8 months ago

It has been interesting to read and hear commentators and various leaders of countries and causes around the world trying to interpret Tuesday's vote and throwing down their gauntlets to president-elect Barack Obama. It is not easy to change deeply seated mental habits of doubt and cynicism, especially when these patterns of thought have been developed, reinforced, and honed by decades of harsh experience. It is a hopeful sign that 499,000 Kansans--nearly half a million--voted for Obama, given our state's tradition of racism and conservative thought.The greatest beneficiaries of the most recent period of heightened idealism in America were the young people whose teachers felt called to serve our country through education because of their direct experience of social movements in the 1950s and 1960s. It is undeniable that the election of Barack Obama to be our next president will enhance the schooling experiences of millions of children of color over the coming weeks, months, and years. But just as significant are the positive ways in which this event must have already begun to change the attitudes, perspectives, and perceptions of their teachers (and future teachers), who now cannot help but see more clearly the potential in every child.It is exciting to be alive at this time in our country's trajectory. It is affirming to our belief in democracy that we have started to reshape the nation to meet newchallenges through the free exercise of each individual's right to vote his or her conscience.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

In case you've forgotten, Helen Jones-Kelly ordered searches of Joe the Plumber's government records. "COLUMBUS - Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services and former head of that department in Montgomery County, has been placed on paid administrative leave by Gov. Ted Strickland.Strickland said on Friday, Nov. 7, that he took the action "due to the possibility, as yet unconfirmed, that a state computer or state e-mail account was used to assist in political fund raising.""http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/11/07/ddn110708helenweb.html

igby 6 years, 8 months ago

Newt and company will be back in two years to undo anything Obama and the dem controlled house and Senate passes. The World Governments are not going to be as like-stricken with Obama as some of it's everyday people have expressed. In reality, all world governments fear these terrorist and George W. Bush, even though, media hated as he was portrayed, represented a strong and powerful America, who is and was willing to make sacrifices of life and currency for the world peace. Talking to terrorist and asking for peace when they have been rallied by failing world financial markets and talk of troop withdrawals is a win win green flag for them and world peace will be a pipe dream.Cheese?Parmesan.South Beach!Way... down South!

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