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Do you think the Legislature should override Gov. Sebelius’ coal plant veto?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on May 1, 2008

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“I don’t think they should, based on the information I’ve heard about the environmental concerns.”

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“I don’t think she should have vetoed it in the first place. It would bring a lot of jobs to Kansas. It’s going to happen here or someplace else, so they might as well keep the money in Kansas.”

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“Yes. I think it’s what she wants. It’s not what’s good for Kansas.”

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“No. We need to establish a precedent for protecting our air and environmental resources for future generations.”

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

maybe the feds should help out on something besides Dept of Defense ?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sOIe5...

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yourworstnightmare 5 years, 11 months ago

The only jobs Kansans would get from this project are menial labor jobs swabbing toilets and such. Probably these would be taken by illegal immigrants.The high-skill, high-pay jobs at a plant would be imported from elsewhere. How many western Kansans are trained to run and manage a coal-fire plant?The "jobs" argument is an illusion.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

There's gonna be a federally funded project to take unstable architects and retrain them to be dung heavers. Money well spent, I'd say.

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 11 months ago

bearded_gnome,that's an old strategy used by 'cool'... he just keeps posting and repeating himself over and over until he convinces himself (a miserably tries to convince others) that his nonsense is true.By the way, i'm sure he's about to send you an email (private conversation)... He's done it several times to me and others trying to bait you into answering.. then he takes the reply, changes it, and posts it online. Yes... he's that ignorant and ill-intentioned.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 11 months ago

and, I see cool has been at the chocolate covered coffee beans again. all the yelling doesn't change the facts: cleaner per KWH than any plant in ks now by far. will help keep electricity prices lower. some greeniewheenies now opposing wind farms as killing birds, eyesores, sound nuisance. when you see huge numbers of cool's posts all together, you know he is trying very hard to justify himself, simply by yelling the loudest.

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

great post !cool (Anonymous) says:great post !kugrad (Anonymous) says:Why is it justifiable to ask citizens across the state to fund a private companies research and development fund? Why should we pollute KS for energy sent elsewhere? The plant will produce few jobs, mostly short-term construction. This is government for sale, yet so-called conservatives line up to defend it with nothing more than the commercials funded by the coal industry to back up their thinking. Gov. Sebelius was right to veto this ridiculous proposal. She is the only one representing Kansans in this mess. All the talk about western vs eastern KS is just spurious bull. Bottom line; Republican votes bought and paid for, Republican sheep line up to bleat their approval because they can't stand having a compentent Democratic governor.

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

great post !kugrad (Anonymous) says:Why is it justifiable to ask citizens across the state to fund a private companies research and development fund? Why should we pollute KS for energy sent elsewhere? The plant will produce few jobs, mostly short-term construction. This is government for sale, yet so-called conservatives line up to defend it with nothing more than the commercials funded by the coal industry to back up their thinking. Gov. Sebelius was right to veto this ridiculous proposal. She is the only one representing Kansans in this mess. All the talk about western vs eastern KS is just spurious bull. Bottom line; Republican votes bought and paid for, Republican sheep line up to bleat their approval because they can't stand having a compentent Democratic governor.

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

cool (Anonymous) says:the issues are not only clean air & land free from coal combustion waste.what about the water ?aquifer depletion is already centered in this same areawhere the plants are proposed !

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

seeds of change / 2008at the edge of historypeak oil approaching the tipping pointtime for a paradigm shift !http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pSOe1...

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cool 5 years, 11 months ago

NO, we need to develop and fund renewable energy.Windpower in Kansas is obvious and with digital controls and grid efficiency improvements we in Kansas probably do not need a new plant anyway.the proposed Sunflower plants are a corporate proposal to make large amounts of moneywhile polluting Kansas air & land, and drawing down the aquifer.

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bearded_gnome 5 years, 11 months ago

and, now, electricity prices will be much higher in all of kansas for 20 years! hurray! ... ooooops.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 11 months ago

Quinter? Warmer, please tell me aren't the husband of that woman who raises really poorly bred tiny poodles! I can see the genetic holes in the tops of their heads in the photos!

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sgtwolverine 5 years, 11 months ago

Ah, Unbeatable Banzuke. What a great show. It's on before Battlestar Galactica each Friday night, so I get a weekly dose of awesome Japanese TV. Actually, Ninja Warrior is on right before UB, so I get a double dose of awesome Japanese TV.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Come on out to Quinter Kansas sometime Flock. I have my budgets ready. Or I can meet you in Liberal, Garden, Mullinville, Hays. You name it. Are you from Lawrence, or another place?

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

80 to 45. veto sustained. now to the courts.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 11 months ago

So much drama tonight, I'm too old for this. First the storms (the bad one headed towards my daughter at work), then I caught part of Unbeatable Banzuke..that was too tense LOL, and now waiting for the vote!

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

house floor is still under lock and key. arm twisting.

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jackbinkelman 5 years, 11 months ago

"Do you think the Legislature should override Gov. Sebelius' coal plant veto?" Uhhhh... No.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

http://www.greenpolicy.us/Lawrence,_KS_Environmental_Procurement_Policyhttp://www.lawrencerecycles.org/businesshazardous.shtmlhttp://www.lawrencerecycles.org/energyconservation.shtmlThat, in itself, is more than "simply haven't".BTW, you still have a few questions for you on the table. I know a bit about state budgets and school finance, probably more than you. You still haven't given us an iota of support for that argument. Bring it.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

@ Flock: you may know a bit about permitting, but obviously not about the state budget. Bring it on. I am available.Earlier, we had this exchange:IGW: "If Lawrence was serious about environmental concerns, there are numerous ways it could be leading the charge in conservation, energy sensitive building standards, energy savings monitoring programs, wind-energy demonstration projects, alternative energy demonstration sources, and reduction of CO2. They simply haven't."FLock: That is flat out false. Have you ever been to Lawrence or have you just read about it?@ Flock: I don't think so. Please explain your understanding otherwise to my statement. (and yes I have been to Lawrence)

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

actually, the voting is closed, but they are allowing members to change their vote. they closed the chamber doors.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

they are holding the voting open while the arm twisting ensues. they must not have the votes.

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 11 months ago

I just imagined the override passing, and suddenly the twisting finger of God wiping out the Statehouse in heavenly protest.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

Rep. Burroughs just said on the floor that a reps family member was threatened to be kicked off a job site if the rep didn't change their vote.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

IGW says,"I'll be glad to go through the numbers with you."Go for it. We've already been through it on previous threads and you were wrong. Last time I checked, KU didn't prohibit residents of western KS from attending. It's for everyone and just happens to be located in Lawrence. Since you brought up the school finance structuring, it was your fine legislature that worked out a plan (once they were forced by the courts to) to put an equitable school finance plan in place. Go to ksde.org and find out for yourself. The plan has a major emphasis on local funding (LOB). In comparing rural versus urban public school funding, tell me why Texas has the chapter 41 provision. Why? Because the tax base is not adequate in rural areas to sufficiently fund the public schools. Suburban areas end up donating a portion of their tax revenue to rural districts so that they can be funded adequately. Speaking of state taxes, the Governor's website has budget numbers for recent years that cover the breakdown by county, including budget versus actual for previous years. A good look at it will put your argument to rest. Read up on it, IGW.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Dirk, I would be glad to sit down and do a "push/pull" analysis of Douglas County vs sw kansas anytime relative to where the state taxes go. Remember that KU gets probably $500-600 million of state general fund (probably $275-300 Lawrence). And schools are going to be a great discussion point, because I am not going to leave off the table the school finance restructuring which transferred tens of millions of dollars of property tax monies annually from sw Kansas allowing Lawrence to lower its mill levy by, was it around 15 mills? Lets dig out the regular "push/pull" analysis on sales taxes. Virtually all counties in the west "leak." Douglas County "pulls" a significant amount. Yea.... bring it on. I'll be glad to go through the numbers with you.

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

it's getting warmer: Well, can't ask for more than that. Mei guanxi. (No problems)

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 11 months ago

JP fans.Admission of guilt. I first learned that song from John Denver's Rocky Mountain High album back when it was at the top of the charts. I used to play it on a few instruments. When trying to remember the words, my hand was instinctively doing the correct things over the top of the mouse, but the brain was fuzzy on the words LOL.So I googled it, and there I learned it was a Prine song.I have enjoyed so many of his songs through others, and duets.And I finally ran across his Best Of CD.Now, one of my favs.Aisling,,what better song to have running in your head!You could always have the circus music from the Sesame Street clip on wind up toys progressing to robots in your head. Da. Da. Da. Yat-ta-ta-ta tah tah yat-ta-taaah.(I've totally messed up more than a few parents putting that one in their bonnet for the day LOL)

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dirkleisure 5 years, 11 months ago

"and many of those things have been financed by the taxes collected in other parts of the state which have contributed to the fine city."Look at the sales tax, income tax, and property tax figures.Douglas County pays for kids in western Kansas to have schools, for seniors to have meals, and for farmers to have roads.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Jonas: I overlooked your subsequent/last sentence in that original paragraph. I was wrong. I apologize.

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sgtwolverine 5 years, 11 months ago

I think the legislature should override this OTS question.

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

It's getting warmer: I'm not sure I can see how you can interpret anything that I said as a casual dismissal of anything. Within my posts I not only admitted I knew little about the issue, I also asked for input to increase my understanding, and the strongest language I used at any point was "I can't really say that I like the idea," followed immediately by a statement that Western Kansas could use the economic stimulus. You then put about 5 thoughts in my mouth totally unrelated to anything that I said, in a less than polite manner which was, as I said, totally unwarranted. Perhaps the problem that you keep running into is that you seem incapable of interpreting nuance in an opinion, and view anything other than agreement as a casual dismissal. That's just from the perspective of this thread.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

@flock: I call again: Hypocrisy. Capital H. Boldtype.

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

IGW says,blah, blah, blah (and more nonsense)"Hypocrisy, Flock. Capital H. Bold type."That's what you keep saying, but it just isn't true. Now you're really reaching and grabbing. If you knew all of the facts, you couldn't possibly say that."But what is it about this issue that you don't understand?"Nothing. It's perfectly clear to me.'Are they ALL being persuaded by "baseless facts"'I think even you know what they are being persuaded by. Facts isn't one of them."Don't these people have a grip on the people whom they represent."A grip on the people? Yeah, they have them practically bound and gagged, for now."If Lawrence was serious about environmental concerns, there are numerous ways it could be leading the charge in conservation, energy sensitive building standards, energy savings monitoring programs, wind-energy demonstration projects, alternative energy demonstration sources, and reduction of CO2. They simply haven't."That is flat out false. Have you ever been to Lawrence or have you just read about it?"And they have enjoyed the cheapest power in the State at the same time."Obviously, there are economics of scale. BTW, have you ever heard of RUS? Where do you think that money comes from?"So now, when it is suggested a twenty four cent a year fee be enacted, Flock has a problem with money?"Nope, it just means that the issue just got a lot more personal when you try to reach into my pocket. Are you advocating taxation without representation?"If you haven't lived in the neighborhoods of Quinter, and Holcomb, and Tribune, and Ulysses, and understand the changing economic environment, you simply have no standing to talk."Wow! That's a pretty ridiculous qualifier there. If it affects my environment, my water supply, my money, you bet I have full standing to talk. For you to say otherwise is way off the mark."and many of those things have been financed by the taxes collected in other parts of the state which have contributed to the fine city."Oh, back to the tax base argument, which has been disproved time and time again. If you envy Lawrencians for having a fine city (according to you, on your dime...whatever), well, move up here.

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Jock Navels 5 years, 11 months ago

everybody gets caught up in their own little rant and gets off the issue. coal fired plants are denied by the governor because of real environmental concerns that in the long run may determine whether we as a species live or die. so the issue, based on current information is, do we make some small sacrifices now to protect and preserve our progeny, or do we party til there's no more beer...don't worry donny, they're just nihilists.

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blue73harley 5 years, 11 months ago

Another John Prine fan/semi-oldish fart here! I have quoted him several times in this esteemed forum.

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blindrabbit 5 years, 11 months ago

Just drove through Western Kansas, lots of new center pivot irrigation installations going in in anticipation of increasing grain production. Coal burning power plants use LOTS of water especially in their steam condensers; that is why most are built along lakes, oceans or rivers! With the Ogallah underground aquifer already stressed out, and no surface water sources, the addition of these power plants may well kill-off any anticipated agricultural gain! The right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. Not even to mention other environmental issues!This may be the next school board/anti-evolution story that Kansans have to defend, along with Fred Phelps, and the Wizard of Oz. This one will end up costing the State lots of money!

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georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 11 months ago

IGW, flock is just another perfect example of an activist in search of a cause. He (and others) are all over these boards and in favor of nothing, all corporations, all forms of government are evil, they all need to heed his all knowing powers.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 5 years, 11 months ago

Dang bunch of semi-oldish farts...Autie... member of the spectrum?jonas, take heart... T_O_B parlayed a fluffer gig into something or other here in Lawrence.

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

@ flockofjayhawks: "your fine legislature"MY fine legislature? ha! But what is it about this issue that you don't understand? Virtually 2/3 of the legislature don't seem to agree. Are they ALL being persuaded by "baseless facts" Don't these people have a grip on the people whom they represent. I guess we will see. Little ole IGW didn't start the preaching here. It was others on these very posting on boards who started preaching what should or shouldn't be done in an area 250 miles distant from them, when they don't practice the same medicine they preach. It wasn't the City of Holcomb passing Official City Resolutions suggesting what industries Lawrence should attract. If Lawrence was serious about environmental concerns, there are numerous ways it could be leading the charge in conservation, energy sensitive building standards, energy savings monitoring programs, wind-energy demonstration projects, alternative energy demonstration sources, and reduction of CO2. They simply haven't. And they have enjoyed the cheapest power in the State at the same time. While they continue to preach to others. This includes you evidently.That, Flocks, is hypocrisy. If you haven't lived in the neighborhoods of Quinter, and Holcomb, and Tribune, and Ulysses, and understand the changing economic environment, you simply have no standing to talk. Lawrence is blessed with many good things... and many of those things have been financed by the taxes collected in other parts of the state which have contributed to the fine city. You are among those who obviously do not care about "them" because you have not been listening.So now, when it is suggested a twenty four cent a year fee be enacted, Flock has a problem with money? Perhaps Western Kansas, with their much-cleaner-than-Lawrences energy has been in essence subsidizing Lawrence's past CO2 pollution and cheap energy. And then you even want to mention twenty five cents a year???? You mean the ratepayers of Lawrence do not wish to participate in statewide CO2 emission reduction efforts? Whaaaaaat? That is not what they have been saying on these very boards these past few months.Hypocrisy, Flock. Capital H. Bold type.

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Aisling 5 years, 11 months ago

autie~I'm sorry I missed your organ donor post, I would have enjoyed that. You are probably correct in that it is reflective of our age group. Ol' John isn't embraced by the mainstream music (which is their loss) and I'm always quite proud (as if I have anything to do with it) when I see a fellow fan out there.

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autie 5 years, 11 months ago

Multi and Aisling, my post on organ donor had a little "Please don't Bury Me"..And I'm thinking that Shatt/vepete 69 is also a John Prine fan. You reckon that might be refective of our relative ages?and what about that sea of heavy oil under western kansas that nobody talks about? anybody else know anything about that..except that heavy crude is more expensive to refine.

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herbalife4life1 5 years, 11 months ago

why does every one of my comments get deleted? Who is running this forum and more importantly, what kind of ethics are these people practicing?!?

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herbalife4life1 5 years, 11 months ago

Two words for Western Kansas economic development: Heavy Oil

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a_flock_of_jayhawks 5 years, 11 months ago

IGW says,"people jump on me because I have defended the good people of western Kansas"No, they disagree with your arguments because they lack facts and are baseless, then they disagree with you because, in the absence of a valid argument, you (and George) turn to an "us vs. them" position, ignoring the facts because they don't fit your position. So, they call you on it, as well they should. It seems that you and your fine legislature will do or say practically anything to get this done, despite the facts that say that it shouldn't be done. When this kind of desperation rears it's head, it's only natural for intelligent, observant people to take note and get the feeling that something just ain't right about it. What little benefit anyone could possibly see out of this effort to build the plant expansion is overwhelmingly trumped by the negative impacts of doing it. It's exactly at that point that we are to throw caution to the wind? That's bizarre. Now that the issue is becoming, in effect, a tax on everyone in the state, it takes the only leg remaining completely away from the "it's our business, so butt out" position.

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Aisling 5 years, 11 months ago

Multi~I love to see another John Prine fan and all but now that song is stuck in my head :)

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herbalife4life1 5 years, 11 months ago

There is a sea of heavy oil underneath Western Kansas that nobody seems to want to retrieve or even talk about....if people in Western Kansas are so economically desperate, then why aren't there alternative ideas flying left and right from that part of the state, instead of "Coal plants will save us all!!!"Has anyone thought about the gas and oil boom that would benefit that part of the state if the people in that area get serious about microwave downhole recovery?

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Jonas: people jump on me because I have defended the good people of western Kansas and tried to show people in Lawrence their hypocrisy on an issue important to many in the West. If this results in my "trouncing," I proudly bear the burden. Nor were my comments to you an "unwarranted attack." You did exactly the same thing, casually dismissing an area of the state which is much less fortunate economically than Lawrence, but which still sends a lot of tax checks to Lawrence to finance the education you most probably just received. You should be grateful. I also concur in Bob's sanguine advice to you.

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davidnta 5 years, 11 months ago

No, the legislature should not override the veto. People need to understand that there is no such thing as clean coal. The way that the coal companies are framing it gives it that appearance, and stupid people buy into it.

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Nick Vaughan 5 years, 11 months ago

Its_Getting_Warmer:I work in the engineering side of the energy market. Everyday I work with coal plants, nuclear plants, renewable energy, and gas turbines. I must say that IGW speaks impressively intelligent on the matter of these plants.The company that I work for had a open bid to be the Owner's engineer on the Holcomb plant. I had some involvement with the air quality control equipment desing. I must say, the reasons for Sebelius to squash these plants is NOT substantiated. These two plants would have an immense impact on Kansas in a positive way.CO2 is not a pollutant. It is a "greenhouse" gas, but its realistic effects to solely alter the entire worlds temperature is absurde. For one, it only comprises 0.06% of the atmosphere, and H20 (water) is the largest greenhouse gas, and Methane is the most destructive. CO2 is the natural byproduct of all respiration. One large volcanic eruption would have more of an impact on global temperatures, than all of human related time.Approximately 60% of that plants proposed cost are tied into pollution control equipment. These plants have come a very long ways from most peoples perception. Burning coal is not archaic.

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sgtwolverine 5 years, 11 months ago

Since Sara is listed as an artist, I was curious to see if she had any work on the internet. I googled her name, and I learned that she seems to be a somewhat regular OTS respondent.http://www2.ljworld.com/onthestreet/2006/oct/15/what_reading/

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georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 11 months ago

Hey tolawdjk, I have five seconds tell me everything you know about power purchase contracts. Our maybe everything you know about energy generation and transportation. Or maybe anything about Western Kansas. Everyone in the world is not like you. Everyone is not out to steal their neighbors money.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 11 months ago

The participants in the Long March would have been much more stylish with appropriate pleather accessories.

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autie 5 years, 11 months ago

and a future with no water. All the smoke has been about carbon but I've seen realitively little discussion about H2O. I reckon those plants would run through a gallon or two..a commodity western kansas has little of..and what is left is dwindling away at an alarming rate.

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

O-Bob: I hear pleather accessories are a developing market in the Chinese economy. The potential growth rate is amazing, we could make a killing!

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 11 months ago

Bob,that's what it's all about...the future...

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tolawdjk 5 years, 11 months ago

"Sunflower Power is owned by the people of Western Kansas. You cannot buy stock in sunflower, you are an owner if you have an electric meter. Sunflower has been close to broke for many years. The owners of sunflower wish to be leaders in clean coal devlopment and hold the line on energy cost. Right now we pay 50% more for electricity than Lawrence and do not want it to go higher. We need more power, and need Colorado/Texas to pay for the generation so we can get what we need at cost. If we don't get this we will have to buy at market which will increase rates and kill economic devlopment. Any corporate profits go back to the owners."Translation:We want rate payers in a different state to subsidize our development. Generally we like the free market because the free market is what creates jobs, except in the case when we have to pay for stuff off of the free market because the price has been driven so high. If we can get this subsidy, we can get more jobs and produce a commodity that we can sell on the free market for prices that we didn't want to pay in the first place. In addition, this will allow us to attract more industry to the area, never minding the fact that we haven't been able to attract more jobs to the area for the last 50 years in the first place. This is a "magic" commodity that will repair all ills.

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bobberboy 5 years, 11 months ago

It's past time to build more nuclear power plants.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 11 months ago

Stuck, Understood. Just making a point about taking future concerns seriously.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 11 months ago

"...and the likelihood of me finding a job in this region where my somewhat unique set of skills and training." JonasWhatever you do after you graduate, don't stick around Lawrence and take a job that you hate just to stay in Lawrence and then bitch and moan constantly how Lawrence has no jobs. Oh, and I think Snap is looking for a pleather assembler apprentice. Not sure if that matches your unique set of skills.

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 11 months ago

well, Bob...just about any kind of economic stimulus is going to require some water...I believe that is one of the long-term concerns with these power plants... they use too much water:and: Las Vegas has way too many fountains and golf courses...we'll not bother with those things in Kansas...if people want fountains they can go into KC... and... people can golf just about anywhere in the country...

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Agnostick 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't think any legislator's vote should be weighed on some sort of pro-Sebelius/anti-Sebelius scale.I think each legislator should do what they should always do: Cast their vote to best reflect the desires of their constituents.Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.uscentrist.orghttp://www.americanplan.org

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

O-Bob: I graduate next May, and the likelihood of me finding a job in this region where my somewhat unique set of skills and training would really add value to a company is limited, to say the least. I'll probably stick around here, though. This is my favorite playground.

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

georgeofwesternkansas: Now that Is interesting. Thanks, that definitely should be a factor for consideration. it's-getting-warmer: "I urge Jonas to continue "his reading.""Well, that's fine then. I suppose I could bring up, though, that my limited reading this morning certainly noticed you getting trounced by a number of other posters repeatedly, so I'm not so certain how seriously I should take your urgings, much less your rather unwarranted attack.

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The_Original_Bob 5 years, 11 months ago

"in Nevada, in the 1940s people were given exactly what they wanted:a chunk of useless, god-forsaken desert was turned into an oasis for the fulfillment of want:and: the backbone of the Nevada economy was created:" StuckThey sure did and now there is a tremendous water crisis, because no one back in the 40s was smart enough to figure out that it was a desert for a reason.Jonas - Are you moving?

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georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 11 months ago

"jonas (Anonymous) says: Looking back at some older articles, I can't really see the point of this project, other than a single company's profit line."Sunflower Power is owned by the people of Western Kansas. You cannot buy stock in sunflower, you are an owner if you have an electric meter. Sunflower has been close to broke for many years. The owners of sunflower wish to be leaders in clean coal devlopment and hold the line on energy cost. Right now we pay 50% more for electricity than Lawrence and do not want it to go higher. We need more power, and need Colorado/Texas to pay for the generation so we can get what we need at cost. If we don't get this we will have to buy at market which will increase rates and kill economic devlopment. Any corporate profits go back to the owners.

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autie 5 years, 11 months ago

MultiD, good post. another JP guy. "but empty pop bottles is all that we killed."Even with an override..I think a point to be taken away is that the times they are a changing. Ten years ago, this thing what have passed, been built, and nobody would have said boo, except for small handful of greeners. That most likely wouldn't have been heard much. It is close...still on the bubble. The overall attitude is changing. If they can pull it off..ole Melvin Nuefield will be thinking, "well you will see me tonight, with an illegal smile, it don't cost very much and it last a long while."

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its_getting_warmer 5 years, 11 months ago

Jonas: "I can't really say that I like the idea of shouldering the environmental burden of other states energy needs just so a minority of our population can get new jobs,"........What a really nice attitude, albeit typical, for a person from Lawrence to have relative to his neighbors in the the Western half of the state. He also states he is leaving the state. Jonas does not understand there is no "single company's profit" going on here. These are Member Owned Cooperatives. Jonas has energy at half the cost, receives his energy from plants far more polluting, and buys his energy from an investor owned company that has wasted tens of millions of dollars in executive compensation and mismanagement. I urge Jonas to continue "his reading."

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stuckinthemiddle 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't know what the governor would suggest as an alternative...but I say give the people what they want...in Nevada, in the 1940s people were given exactly what they wanted...a chunk of useless, god-forsaken desert was turned into an oasis for the fulfillment of want...and... the backbone of the Nevada economy was created...free, open gambling is what Kansas needs to stimulate the economy...lots of jobs... and a tremendous expansion of the tax base...then add legalized prostitution... and bang... we can all forget about these silly power plants...write your legislators today and insist on State-wide stimulation:

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

But then again, me and my wife are fortunate enough to have jobs, and I likely won't still be in Kansas by the time the plants get built, so I'm not sure my opinion should count too much.Not that, well, it probably does here. Haha

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

Mariann: Booted, and Resurrected Back To Hideous Life!! Heh HehHeh Mwahahahahaha!!!Blue: Jobs? Well, it makes it tricky, then, for sure, and in our depressed economic condition it makes a veto much more likely. It would be nice indeed if we were to be offered an alternative, not just by the governor but by the governing body in general. I can't really say that I like the idea of shouldering the environmental burden of other states energy needs just so a minority of our population can get new jobs, and I really personally feel that coal power technology is going to be phased out, at least within our lifetime. On the other hand, Western Kansas could use the economic stimulus.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 5 years, 11 months ago

If it's what the legislators constituents want, yes.

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Pasadena_Mudslide 5 years, 11 months ago

The greater good of protection planet earth and the people [ei US] is greater than the need for money.fck the republicans

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blue73harley 5 years, 11 months ago

Jonas - from what I've read it is about jobs. Jobs in construction followed by jobs at the plants. Oh, and of course you are probably right about the profits, too!

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blue73harley 5 years, 11 months ago

I'll suggest an alternative question. What does Sebelius propose to offset the revenue loss from not building the coal plants? And please don't respond with some feel good, "green" crap that ain't gonna happen for another 20 years. What does she propose NOW?

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jonas 5 years, 11 months ago

Looking back at some older articles, I can't really see the point of this project, other than a single company's profit line. At least from the perspective of Kansas citizens. Can anyone fill me in?

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Multidisciplinary 5 years, 11 months ago

And Daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg county, Down by the Green River, where Paradise lay. "Well I'm sorry, my son, but you're too late in askin'." "Mr. Peabody's coal train has hauled it away." -jp

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