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What kind of wine do you like?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 9, 2007

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“Mostly red, like Chianti or rioja.”

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“I like to drink Charles Shaw ‘Two Buck Chuck’ Merlot. It comes from Trader Joe’s, and it’s only $1.99 in California.”

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“I suppose I mainly like Merlots and Cabernets.”

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“My favorite kind is red wine, especially Rojo Mojo.”

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Sigmund 6 years, 5 months ago

My favorite has to be, "It's all Bush & Co's fault!"

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kneejerkreaction 6 years, 5 months ago

Badger, true, really no need to sniff the cork, but hey, you have it it your hand, you've run your fingers over it so why not sniff it? Or is your "host' terribly annoyed by the final sniffing rather than the obvious cork abuse?? (By the way, I don't pay 'hosts' to eat at their homes, I pay restaurateurs to eat at their businesses. If I'm paying for my meal, I'll do damn well what I please with the cork and my "host" can just deal with it.)

I'm from Europe, Southern Europe, where wines are not even remotely considered anything but normal and everyday. A 5-year-old on the way home from school can legally buy a bottle of wine for his/her father. Cork sniffing is ok and is alive and well and is only considered as knowledgeable as not putting ketsup on everything.. And if you're wondering, a very subtle sniff is ok, not a prolonged wave under the nose, which is maybe what you were thinking.

The problem with Americans and wines is that everyone here thinks they're such a big deal. Best wine in Europe is from farmers, produced locally, very rustic and simple.

Wholesaler and liquor store employee, eh? Wow.

Long live unpretentious cork sniffers and others who understand a bit more than the everyday muck.

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Centrist 6 years, 5 months ago

Penfolds Club Port ... sip after a good meal. Mmmmm ...

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badger 6 years, 5 months ago

Actually, Py, there's no need to sniff the cork. None at all.

You look at the top of the cork, before the bottle is opened, for obvious examples of leakage. You listen for the somewhat succulent 'pop' of a properly seated cork as it pulls out, you watch the color and the viscosity of the wine as it's poured, and you give the glass a swirl, then take a faint sniff (in case it's vinegar, this keeps your eyes from watering and the inevitable sneeze from happening; if you're practiced, the first slightly hesitant sniff isn't even noticeable) and then a deeper one to fully pull in the bouquet. There's nothing necessary that process won't give you that you can get by being a cork-sniffing dork. You can talk of crystallization and disintegrating corks all you like, but for the most part, your risk of a corked bottle is significantly lower than your risk of looking like a pretentious goober.

kneejerk can talk about cork-sniffing as 'the tried and true methods of sommeliers', but I've also heard it called 'an insulting tacit suggestion that your host does not properly care for his cellar.' Depends on the type of cork dorks you keep company with, I'd imagine, and if you're not sure whether it will be seen as 'knowledgeable' or 'insulting', I guess it's up to you whether you'd rather risk being seen as unsophisticated and trusting, or rude.

Also, given that certain wines require decanting, one cannot sniff the cork and should assume that the person who put the wine into the decanter took a brief moment to assure himself that the bottle was, in fact, satisfactory. I would not, for example, expect to sniff the cork on a bottle of Amarone, as that wine requires a minimum of an hour to breathe properly and develop. The same is true for many Bordeaux until they've been cellared at least a decade.

Then again, I'm sure I will somehow fail to meet kneejerk's criteria for an acceptable wine tasting critic. I sold wines wholesale for a while, and had a second job in a liquor store for a while, and sure I know my Beaujolais Nouveau from my Ripple (though I question the significant differences, save that the latter is somewhat less gimmicky and hyped...), but hey, I'm probably just as ignorant as the rest of the rubes.

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Paul R Getto 6 years, 5 months ago

Marion (Marion Lynn) says:

Made_In_China:

"Oh, well, you take the bottle, you take the can::::::"

Geez, I cannot figure out why I had forgotten that one so big-time kudos to you!


White port and lemon juice Ooh, what it do to you...........................

Thanks, Marion! Can't remember the album, guess I could look it up.

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GretchenJP 6 years, 5 months ago

Red red wine you make me feel so fine You keep me rocking all of the time

Red red wine you make me feel so grand I feel a million dollars when your just in my hand

Red red wine you make me feel so sad Any time I see you go it makes me feel bad

Red red wine you make me feel so fine Monkey pack him rizla pon the sweet dep line

Red red wine you give me whole heap of zing Whole heap of zing mek me do me own thing

Redred wine you really know how fi love Your kind of loving like a blessing from above

Red red wine I love you right from the start Right from the start with all of my heart

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GretchenJP 6 years, 5 months ago

The kind of wine that's sealed up in the bottle and in the liquor store away from me. Headaches. Headaches. Headaches.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 5 months ago

Made_In_China:

"Oh, well, you take the bottle, you take the can.................."

Geez, I cannot figure out why I had forgotten that one so big-time kudos to you!

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

Above (which is only a fragment of the entire song) written by J. Mayo Williams & Stick McGhee; recorded by many. Posted the previous before adding this info--too much wine tonight.

Good points, kneejerk.. If someone doesn't know why they're sniffing the cork, they're doing it for snobbery; if they do know, they're doing it for good reason. Sniffing the cork, then breathing in the wine's bouquet, then tasting, aren't done to judge how sublime the wine is. It's done merely to ensure that the bottle hasn't gone to vinegar or otherwise become undrinkable. If the wine passes these tests, it is then served to everyone at the table--and they can then debate, if they like, the wine's merits.

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

Way down in New Orleans everythings fine All them cats just drinkin' that wine Drinkin' that mess is sure delight When they get slop drunk they sing all night Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine

Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Pass that bottle to me! Well I got a nickel you got a dime Let's get together and buy some wine

Wine over here Wine over there Drinking that mess everywhere! Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De Drinkin' Wine

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kneejerkreaction 6 years, 5 months ago

staff04 (Anonymous) says: I spent a good number of years selling wine:cork sniffers are fools. There are some spectacular wines that have either a screw cap or synthetic cork.


I was having run reading the comments from individuals who obviously know nothing about wines when....whammmooo...out of nowhere, comes the expert with the most inane comment of the bunch.

Did you sell good wines Staff04?

Yes, good wines certainly can come without tree corks, but if you open a red wine with a tree cork and fail to rub your finger over the top (sandy crystalization of the sugars, cork pieces disintegrating under your fnger) or fail to sniff the cork (for obvious sour, corky smells), then you run the risk of drinking some really, really, REALLY bad wine, which will taint anything else you taste afterward.

Sure, wine snobs that spew useless nonsense are boring slugs. So are wine fools who eshew the basic, established traditions of knowledgeable sommeliers.

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etsi_truss 6 years, 5 months ago

I LIKE CROW AND OUT OF CONTEXT SOME OF THE GOV'S FAVORITES

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Paul R Getto 6 years, 5 months ago

I really makes me feel so fine, so fine, so fine

WPLJ

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QuackyPrincessLauren 6 years, 5 months ago

Shiraz, Chiantis, and Merlots... I love Yellowtail for my old stand-by wine. I've been trying to expand my Cabernet taste, but I still don't like it that much. I also love the wines from the Northwest region.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 5 months ago

"Good, good wine

Makes me feel so fine"

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Amy Heeter 6 years, 5 months ago

Cheval-Blanc or Evenus zifendel port

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Jonathan_Jason_McDaniels 6 years, 5 months ago

Strawberry Ripple.

Mmmmm! Delicious!

And it's so cheap too....errrrr.....I mean "inexpensive"!

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cool 6 years, 5 months ago

pretty much prefer Cabernet Sauvignon, Sauvignon Blanc, Pinot Noir, Chianti, Chardonnay, and some Reislings

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

Ms C~ That green wine sounds intriguing and, in turn, reminds me of something I enjoyed in England but could only find in the states once in a blue moon--although I think they sold it in Canada. It was called BabyCham and was made (if I recall) from apples & pears. It was also slightly effervescent and it was probably pretty sweet--it greatly appealed to me when I was in my late teens. I've looked for it in Lawrence at Brits but haven't seen it. Not sure they even make it any more--or if I would like it now.

Bladerunner~ MD 20-20 is just wrong. I got a boyfriend drunk on it one time (LONG ago) but that was a bad game plan--he wasn't good for anything! ;-)

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Bladerunner 6 years, 5 months ago

Mad Dog 20-20 is the only wine for me.

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ms_canada 6 years, 5 months ago

pywacket - The Germans do know how to make wine but oftimes are overshadowed by those snobby French vintners, true? Some of the german Mosels are quite nice also. When we were in Portugal visiting friends, Emilia and Jose served a very nice green wine called Gatao (portuguese for cat.) The label had a picture of Puss in Boots. Green wines are somewhat of a specialty of Portuguese winemakers. They are not actually green but white. Called green because they are made while the grapes are still quite green. They have a slight effervescense. Paul Masson of California used to make a very nice green wine years ago. It was called Emerald something or other. But I no longer see it on the market. I am leaving for San Diego next Sunday morning Nov.18. I am going to look for that Emerald wine. Haven't thought of it in years.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 5 months ago

PY -

Hell yeah. We had the black lights and posters and music always blaring and other.

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420 6 years, 5 months ago

Waterbrook Melange......It is a wonderful blend of 4 grapes (I think). I can't remember the percentages of each, or the 4 grapes, but Sangiovese is one of them....really smooth....It's a Washington State wine....THAT ROCKS!

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prospector 6 years, 5 months ago

Like you all can't guess my answer. The Barleywine at the Free State Brewery.

The store at northwest corner of 25th and Iowa (It was a Ray's Liquor) has a great selection. Steve, the owner, is a sommelier(that means I know a lot about wine and even went to school for it) and is very helpful.

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, Badger. I'll give those a try. There used to be a salesguy at the World Market wine shop who was good at recommendations, but WM closed that little shop. I should've asked him about reds while he was there.

As to wine experts, wine snobbery, etc... Probably one of the premier wine experts in the US, if not the world, is Doug Frost of KC--but he's anything but a snob. I like to read his column in the Star when I remember to look for it. Very down to earth guy.

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Gootsie 6 years, 5 months ago

No drinkie me. My brother and I made wine when I was in junior high. We stored it in my dad's shed where he kept his riding mower. One morning guess what! The balloon burst at the top of the jar (we made CLASSY wine) and we had a grape mess everywhere. I remember getting quite drunk on it on a hay rack ride. It took me years to drink wine again. I was 12.

I started and ended my alcohol career quite early, as you can see.

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badger 6 years, 5 months ago

Staff04: my SO is a big Marquis Phillips fan, and I have to say most of their stuff is pretty fine and tasty wine. Sadly, before the wine fridge moved in from the garage, there was an incident that cooked a case and a half of '03, I think it was Sarah's Blend. We made as much vinegar as we could store, and used the moderately cooked bottles for marinades, but still ended up throwing out almost a case of it. We were very very sad.

Py: I like some eisweins; the New Hampshire winery I got stuff at last year actually had a super one, which surprised me a little. They tend to be a risky wine purchase because they're fairly expensive and few wineries will include them on the tasting menu.

I like to recommend shiraz or pinot noir as an intro to red wine for folks who say they want something uncomplicated and friendly. Shiraz tends to be a lot fuller and warmer than pinot, and the fact that it grows brilliantly in the Australian soil means there's a lot of darn fine shiraz out there for stupid cheap. Yellowtail's a perennial fave for "just sittin' and drinkin'" wine, and Marquis Phillips has some excellent blends Pinot's on a resurgence (it's not just "Sideways"...Every five years or so someone 'discovers' Pinot Noir again and it gets all hip and trendy) so finding good ones is easier now, though they're a little pricier. I like Firesteed a lot.

I found that the liquor store in North Lawrence tended to be a pretty decent place for wine buying; the owner is good at the "If you like X, you should try Y" game, though he did once sell me a really heinous Viognier (he apologised when I told him it was nasty).

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Kam_Fong_as_Chin_Ho 6 years, 5 months ago

Pinot Noir:.Anything over $12.00 a bottle.

Looks like somebody saw "Sideways". Pinot Noir sales spiked and Merlot sales dropped after the film's release. I'm not sure that I agree with the idea that "more expensive is better." Check out the documentary called "Mondovino" and see why.

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

T_O_B~ Sounds like you and your roomies were suave men on campus, indeed. Was your room adorned with bead curtains? Black light? If so, your coolness would've turned my friends and I to putty.. ;-)

Badger, do you like eisweins? They are too sweet for my taste, although I have always found the idea of them charming.

Those of you who like reds.. what would you recommend for someone who isn't ready for a big, full-bodied red but who likes dry whites and wants to learn to appreciate reds? What are a few accessible reds that will open that door? Maybe in 10 years I can learn to appreciate a cabernet... Where to start? Zins? Merlots?

I love the bitter tannins in tea and brew that strong enough that it can climb into the cup by itself--and no sugar. So I think I could learn to like that aspect of red wines if I experiment some.

Ms C~ I've enjoyed some Rieslings over the years. I like German wines, as long as they aren't too sweet. Probably my favorite German white is Blue Nun.

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staff04 6 years, 5 months ago

I spent a good number of years selling wine...cork sniffers are fools. There are some spectacular wines that have either a screw cap or synthetic cork. The only reason to use a natural cork is in wines that are meant to be laid down for a few years. Many wines are not meant to be cellared.

One nice thing about cork sniffers though--they can't take their noses out of the air long enough to discover some of the best small wineries in the world. If it weren't for synthetic corks and caps, those wineries would have gone out of business when the price of cork jumped a few years back...

My current favorite screw top:

http://volunteer.blogs.com/winewaves/2005/10/marquis_philips.html

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Das_Ubermime 6 years, 5 months ago

Of the reds, I like rosso and sangiovese. I am generally not in the mood for whites, so I just tend to stick with riesling and seyval.

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ms_canada 6 years, 5 months ago

The only drink that I ever consume is a Schloss Riesling. Riesling is a lovely, fruity white German wine. But Schloss Riesling is one of our very fine Canadian wines. The mountain sides of Southern B.C. around Kelowna are home to some great wineries and produce a whole host of fine wines. The Niagara Peninsula in Ontario also has some great vintners. I have never tasted a red wine that suited my palate and totally detest hard liguor.

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badger 6 years, 5 months ago

Depends on the reason for the wine. As my SO is fond of saying, "Shiraz goes with EVERYTHING!" (ok, shiraz goes with everything we usually look at and ask, "What sort of wine should we drink with it?")

For reds, I tend to like zin, shiraz, pinot, rioja, and the chianti that doesn't come in wicker bottles. My preference is towards the spicy end of the scale, with a little bit of fruit and little or no tannin. For whites, I'm fond of pinot grigio, vouvray, viognier, and riesling. In white wine, I want something crisp and fruit-heavy, but not sweet.

The only sweet wines I like are true dessert wines, the thick, almost syrupy sort like trockenberenauslese that come in little half bottles and are drunk sparingly to top off a really fine meal.

Those who like funny names and bottles should check out Tait's "Ball Buster." It's a tasty wine with a funny name.

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Kyle Neuer 6 years, 5 months ago

Two Buck Chuck!!!!

Otherwise, I prefer Porters or a Black and Tan.

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Defender 6 years, 5 months ago

If ya like rich reds, try Osbourne Solaz from Spain. 80% Temporanillo grapes, and 20% Cabernet Sav. Really nice, and cheap to boot!

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bearded_gnome 6 years, 5 months ago

asti spumante makes a heckova marinade for ribeye steak...very nice.


if I'm drinking wine from the southern hemisphere...must I stand on my head for the full effect?


good morning all today will be a nice day. am alcohol free here, so only brewed I drink is alcohol free beers, dark. have a nice day.

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mom_of_three 6 years, 5 months ago

There is a winery just outside of town, between here and Eudora, and they have some good wine. You can taste wine out there to find out what you like.
I am not a big wine drinker, but I like sweet wine or semi-sweet/dry (?)

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 5 months ago

Ah, St. Julian. There's a St. Julian shop about 20 minutes west of me, Py; I've driven past it countless times, but I've never been there. That's probably because I don't drink much wine.

As far as what I like ... beyond not liking really bitter wines, I don't really know.

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offtotheright 6 years, 5 months ago

Pinot Noir....Anything over $12.00 a bottle. Definitely no screw caps, and no kansas wines!

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 5 months ago

Py -

When I was 18 we stacked empty beer cans on our shelves in the dorm room. As you can see, we were the coolest guys on the floor. It was quite a chore with all the people that would come in at all hours to see our collection. The women were easy to find. Rock star type status. Very few people can show the kind of empathy I can towards Britney Speers. It's a dark place to be when everyone wants a piece of you. Where was I? Oh yes, cheap chianti. Yuck. You are correct to be hesitant.

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Pywacket 6 years, 5 months ago

I like pinot grigio and am a bit resentful that it has become sort of trendy of late. I'm also partial to Michigan wines--Tabor Hill, St. Julian, and Warner all make some good, generally inexpensive wines. Unfortunately, you can't get it anywhere else, so I like to stock up whenever I'm there.

I'm more hesitant with reds. I think I was traumatized by all that cheap chianti when I was 18 (we decorated our hippie bedrooms by plugging the empty bottles with candles that dripped colored wax down the raffia-wrapped sides). And before anyone starts with the finger wagging, 18 was the legal age where I lived.

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Azure_Attitude 6 years, 5 months ago

I like wine, all kinds. How I chose it is kind of whacky - the bottle or label has to be cool lookin' at least for most purchases. I have disocvered some good stuff that way, but also some crap. 7 Deadly Zins is good and, as you might guess, is a blend of 7 Zinfadels. Got a nice pinot in a man in the moon shaped bottle out of an Oregon winery. I use the bottle in my kitchen for olive oil now.

And I do love bubbly!! Korbel Natural. M-m-m-m-m . . . and Asti Spumanti.

Oh dang!! That reminds me of something I could have used the other day! Don Ho's Korbel commerical: "Tiny bubbles, in the wine [Dejected man: Hey, the champagne's not Korbel!!!]" Don Ho scowls "Big fat bubbles, Carbon injected bubbles . .. "

Well, I gues that really isn't a jingle though

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4th_grade_education 6 years, 5 months ago

Two drinking "on the street" questions in a row. Glad to see where the priorities are.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 5 months ago

I honestly don't know much about KS wines. On my Going Out West trips, I've occassionally stopped at the place off I-70.

For a fun weekend trip, head out to Hermann, Mo. Lots of B&B places and about 8-10 wine joints within 30 miles. A couple even brew their own beer. Pick up a wine tour map and you can hit most of them in one day. Start early and at the farthest one out and work your way back into town where they have two nice places to end the day. None of the snooty wine expert BS, just middle Missoura folks.

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sfjayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

southern hemisphere wines are really good - i espically like new zeland and chilean wines

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sunflower_sue 6 years, 5 months ago

consumer, you might try Screw Kappa Nappa. Let me know how it tastes...I've not been that brave.

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Tony Kisner 6 years, 5 months ago

Depending on what we are serving, fish I like to go with a white, usually T-Bird, beef = Mad dog. I could mix it up a little but when entertaining I prefer to not take too many risk.

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trinity 6 years, 5 months ago

annie green springs. apple&strawberry mixed together then frozen slightly to make this delightful icee sort of concoction.

do they even make annie green springs any more? not a wino, here.

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acg 6 years, 5 months ago

Not a big wine person. I guess white zin isn't too bad, but most of it to me is bitter. If I'm going to drink something bitter I'll just go for the sour mash. It has more kick, anyway.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 5 months ago

There are two basic types of whines, want and need. I like neither.

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consumer1 6 years, 5 months ago

any of the finer wines with a screw on lid. Pisano, boonsfarm. Mad dog 20/20.

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ohjayhawk 6 years, 5 months ago

Blackberry, Red Raspberry, and Frost Fire from Breitenbach located (oddly enough) in the heart of Ohio Amish country.

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jonas 6 years, 5 months ago

Anything that's not from Kansas, Kansas wines suck!!!

Not really. I'm totally non-discriminate. In the words of Dave Barry, I drink wine the same way I drink beer, scoff down what I have then look around for more.

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 5 months ago

Mouton Cadet Bordeaux and a Cabernet once in a while. Face it not all wine from anywhere is going to meet favor.

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