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Do you think the government should make it easier for immigrants to attain citizenship?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on May 2, 2007

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“In my heart I think they should, but the reality of the situation makes me unsure about the issue.”

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“I think that the channels that we already have are sufficient.”

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“I don’t think anything less should be required, but less bureaucracy in the process would be good.”

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“I think they should. Everyone should have the opportunity to take part in what we have here.”

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ljreader 6 years, 11 months ago

They ARE NOT undocumented immigrants! They have documentation- Fraudulent documentation; bogus or stolen social security numbers, fake green cards, driver's licenses, and birth certificates- document fraud is a multimillion dollar organized crime industry headed up by illegal aliens in this country- Another example of their "better life" being enjoyed at OUR expense.. They are illegal aliens, or fraudulently documented criminals- take your pick.

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kubacker 6 years, 11 months ago

Reply To: everyone-needs-to-calm-down

They're not illegal immigrants or undocumented immigrants. They are not even immigrants. They are ILLEGAL ALIENS unlawfully in this country, that's "who these people are."

An IMMIGRANT is an alien (not a U.S citizen) who has followed the immigration laws and received authorization to enter and reside in this country. That's what immigrants are and that's how immigration works in every civilized country in the world.

The people you're in love with are the exact opposites of immigrants, so stop using the word IMMIGRANT in referring to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

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kubacker 6 years, 11 months ago

Reply To: everyone-needs-to-calm-down

They're not illegal immigrants or undocumented immigrants. They are not even immigrants. They're ILLEGAL ALIENS unlawfully in this country, that's "who these people are."

An IMMIGRANT is an alien (not a U.S citizen) who has followed the immigration laws and received authorization to enter and reside in this country. That's what immigrants are and that's how immigration works in every civilized country in the world.

The people you're in love with are the exact opposites of immigrants, so stop using the word IMMIGRANT in referring to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

Okay, then, "illegal immigrant"... since they immigrated here, by circumventing the legal processes that are in place for allowing people to move here.

I'm also tired of seeing this candyass comment, "undocumented worker." That's a crock.

"Undocumented." What, they forgot their green card when they left the house this morning? No, 'cause they DON'T HAVE ONE! Why? Because they came here ILLEGALLY!!!!!!

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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everyone_needs_to_calm_down 6 years, 11 months ago

People are NOT ILLEGAL!!! Please refrain from using this terminology and replace it with UNDOCUMENTED. Saying "illegal people" makes it seem as though people are illegal for being who they are. I hate this word!!! Stop using it please!

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

If Congress were to create a new TPS... well, then that would probably necessitate new cover sheets for the TPS reports...

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 11 months ago

I believe the current process is: 1. Walk across border. 2. Take up residence.

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jonas 6 years, 11 months ago

"I am absolutley worn out by illegal aliens and their idiotic racist lying supporters"

That wouldn't be. . . errr. . . because you unecessarily scream and howl and kick and flail every time the words alien, illegal, immigration or anything even remotely connected to any of these concepts is even remotely close to being mentioned, would it?

Nah.

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ASBESTOS 6 years, 11 months ago

"If Congress would only create a TPS for everyone (Temporary Protected Status is renewed annually for Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Liberia, Somalia, Sudan and Burundi), much of the problem would solve itself."

Good lord, you must be one of those wanting an immigration VISA! DUH! If we did that all would get the ability to tap into our NATIONALLY SHARED SOCIAL SECURITY!! Ain't gonna happen.

ANY politician that proposes that is politically dead meat. NO WAY can we add 20 million plus with NO END IN SITE! There has to be an uppse level, as we cannot pay for the entire world's poor and those selfish one's that just want to come here.

Deporting them and deporting those that overstay their VISA are also issues that need to be enforced. If you can't obey our laws we do not want you here. It makes me nauseous that people don;t understand that THERE ALREADY IS A PATH TO CITIZZENSHIP. YES it is hard, but we only want the best here. There is a reason American Citizenship is so prized.

Those politians are politically and in all probably in great physical danger if they do throw in. The polls are changing, and the majority of AMERICAN CITIZENS want THE LAWS ENFORCED AND NOT CHANGED. We have entire Gov't. Agaencies sitting their hands because they are told not to enforce laws, that are "The will of the People", and are in effect.

You don't like, it GO HOME!!!! I am absolutley worn out by illegal aliens and their idiotic racist lying supporters. They are trying to sell this country for votes. Freedom and liberty for power, ... the way they do it in "Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Liberia, Somalia, Sudan and Burundi" and why everyone wants to live those $ hitholes of a country!

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jimincountry 6 years, 11 months ago

If Bush is impeached, it should be based on his sellout to Mexico and Fox.

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paladin 6 years, 11 months ago

Or..........don't come to the US at all. Stay where one is bred and born and reared and is a part of and do what is needed, alone and with others, to formulate and act and build a viable and prosperous and free society with opportunity and promise and a future and a higher standard of living for those willing to be loyal and dedicated and give of themselves and serve, and fight if they must, for the good of all. In and for their countries, there, not here.

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jimincountry 6 years, 11 months ago

Yes and the aclu should sue Al Gore for causing the sky to fall and Harry Reid should beawarded the medal for heroism....................each a preposterous ideas!

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gueraporfuera 6 years, 11 months ago

The issue isn't so much citizenship, it is eligibility for LPR status, which you need before naturalizing. If Congress would only create a TPS for everyone (Temporary Protected Status is renewed annually for Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Liberia, Somalia, Sudan and Burundi), much of the problem would solve itself. TPS doesn't grant status but it allows qualifying individuals who entered before a certain date and haven't committed crimes to get a work card and stay in the country. It would solve a lot of the problems if they set a date - say 2000 - for which individuals would've had to be in the country and make them TPS eligible so they can get documented, fingerprinted, and get legal work authorization. One felony or three misdemeanors would get you off TPS and into removal proceedings. Then if a person has a redocumented entry under a TPS plan, they could benefit under the current law if there is a way for them to be eligible (like being married to a citizen) for them to gain residency and ultimately citizenship. It's such an easy and effective solution it makes me nauseous that no one has passed such reform. I think most have no clue how complicated immigration law is and how the most minute detail can completely change your situation. It's a bit ridiculous when a hardworking, decent person has to choose between staying in the shadows for another 10 years (without a driver's license, no less) or getting themselves picked up by ICE and put into proceedings specifically so they can attempt to adjust through such badly written laws as Cancellation or Witholding of Removal. The system is more than severely flawed, and reform is desperately needed. Building a mile-high wall on the border without procedural reform will only mean more mile-and-a-half tall fences will be built.

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ljreader 6 years, 11 months ago

Who needs citizenship? They might lose their rights.

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beatrice 6 years, 11 months ago

"What is the most important right granted to United States citizens?"

To turn right on red?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 11 months ago

Snap -

Well, I'm only 50% for the day. Actually, that's better than most gamblers by the appearances of the casino industry. Anyhow... 41, 29, 22, 17, 6 and the powerball is 11. Bonus... I have no idea if that is the correct amount of numbers or if something as high as 41 or 11 is plausbile. So, if you win, a Klondike Bar for my troubles will be your only fee.

R.I - Got me. I'll see him in a couple of weeks at his Deportation Party. I do know that when I met him in the dorms in 93 he didn't appear to be PhD. material. I think he intentially held on as along as he could. I lost track of him for a few years and I think he actually had to go back to his country but obviously got back in. But I have no idea how the student Visas work or why he can't just transfer it to a long-term work visa and work on the citizenship stuff (which I don't think he could do while a student.)

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

Anyone else learn "The Lords Prayer" in German before English?

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Gootsie 6 years, 11 months ago

Thanks Sue! I've been slacking off the anagrams lately. Trying to cut back, you know, nowk, kown, nkow, wonk, konw...

R_I, not I.

TOB is the Psychic Predictor. Props to him.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 11 months ago

TOB, what do you have for the winning powerball numbers this weekend?

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sunflower_sue 6 years, 11 months ago

Ceal, I was wondering about that Gonzales reference, too. I was curious if we were allowed to post pictures AND little flags now??? I want to change the color of my text box. Something soothing would be nice, like green...or maybe some fiery purple. Ah heck, my moods swing so much it should just vibrate in different colors. Anyone got a good recipe for, um...waffles? How about muffins?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

How many grew up calling sunflower seeds "Russian peanuts"?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

Here is one of the questions that maybe on the citizen test:

What is the most important right granted to United States citizens?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

This question led me to look up some information about my grandfather. Turns out he didn't toddle down the gangplank, he was carried down it in swaddling. He was born somewhere in the Atlantic on a U.S flagship.
I wonder if he was declared a citizen by Lex soli, or if he had to naturalize?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

The U.S. immigration system is a maze. There are about 20 subforms of the 1-551 (Green Card). There are about 60 types of visas. (I do not think visas can be converted into a Permanent Resident Card.) (T_O_B, Your PhD. acquaintance was probably here on a F-1 visa, and had pledged to return to country of origin as soon as education was completed in order to get the visa.)

Legal immigration is generally a complicated, long process. Potential immigrants from different countries have different quotas, waiting periods, etc... I find it Ironic, your best bet for immigration to the United States is to be an uber athletic individual, be scouted out and signed. No waiting period. Instant Green Card.

Illegal Immigration... Sorry, you snuck in here, didn't follow the rules. Get on the bus.
This needs to be streamlined too.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 11 months ago

I did have have 1:53 for the first post that is posted in all caps. Hell yeah. I rule.

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kubacker 6 years, 11 months ago

AFTER WATCHING THE ILLEGAL ALIENS IN OUR STREETS AGAIN DEMANDING UNCONDITIONAL AMNESTY AND CITIZENSHIP AND NO BORDERS, THERE IS NO DOUBT MAJOR VIOLENCE IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS ARE NOT GOING TO STAND STILL FOR GIVING THESE PEOPLE AMNESTY FOR YEARS OF CRIMES (CROSSING OUR BORDERS, IDENTITY THEFT, FRAUD ON OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND TAX SYSTEMS, NO DRIVERS LICENSE, NO CAR INSURANCE, ETC., ETC.) OR FOR THE EXTRA TAXES TO PAY FOR EDUCATION AND CARE OF THESE LOW-INCOME-FOR-LIFE PEOPLE, OR FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TOP IT ALL OFF WITH CITIZENSHIP IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

AMERICAN CITIZENS DON'T GET ANY AMNESTY! WE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR LAWS - ALL OF OUR LAWS!! A CITIZEN WOULD NEVER GET OUT OF JAIL OR BE ABLE AFFORD ALL THE FINES AND RESTITUTION OWED IF HE/SHE BROKE EVEN 1/3 OF THE LAWS THAT THESE PEOPLE VIOLATE EVERY DAY, AS A WAY OF LIFE!

DOES ANYONE THINK THEY'RE GOING TO MAGICALLY STOP BREAKING OUR LAWS WHEN THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS AND GET REWARDED FOR IT? WHY WOULD ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN WAITING IN LINE TO COME HERE NOT FEEL LIKE A COMPLETE FOOL AND JUST COME IN ILLEGALLY? OUR BORDERS ARE WIDE OPEN!

THIS IS A COUNTRY OF LAWS THAT EVERYONE (VISITORS AND CITIZENS) MUST FOLLOW FOR THE COMMON GOOD. IF THESE PEOPLE CAN BREAK OUR LAWS AND BE REWARED FOR IT WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE FOR THE REST OF US TO RESPECT THE LAW? IF THESE PEOPLE ARE GIVEN AMNESTY I PREDICT AFTER THAT IT WILL BECOME NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A JURY TO CONVICT ANYBODY OF ANYTHING! THINK ABOUT IT!

IF THIS OUTRAGE IS RAMMED THROUGH IN WASHINGTON, LIKE THEY TRIED LAST SUMMER, THERE WILL BE 250+ MILLION PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED BY THE RULES AND PAID THEIR TAXES AND FOUGHT OUR WARS WHO WILL BE FURIOUS! DOES ANYONE DOUBT THERE WON'T BE THOUSANDS WHO ARE PISSED OFF ENOUGH TO GO TO THE STREETS FOR MORE THAN JUST A PEACEFUL MARCH? THINK ABOUT IT!

THE AMNESTY AND OPEN BORDERS SCENARIO IS A RECIPE FOR OPEN REBELLION AND ANARCHY IN OUR COUNTRY. THIS IS VERY SERIOUS AND EVERY CITIZEN WHO LOVES THIS COUNTRY SHOULD DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO STOP THIS INSANITY!

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 11 months ago

Color me impressed. I had 9:30 in The First Genius To Start Namecalling pool.

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Staci Dark Simpson 6 years, 11 months ago

I have a friend from the PHillipines who just became a US citizen. I know it was expensive because the church took donations for her. I know she also had to take some tests on American History, the gov't branches and the national anthem. Thats all I knew she had to do besides actually getting sworn in. It was a great day and we threw a big party for her.

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Ceallach 6 years, 11 months ago

asbestos, I'm at work and do not have time to read all of the articles. Which article are you talking about regarding someone named Gonzales?

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jonas 6 years, 11 months ago

Sue: You forgot D. Perot, Ross's younger and less known brother. Not to mention De port, what vernacular mexicans call the place where the boats go. Also Der pot, what drunks call restrooms, and Germans call marijuana. Other than that, I think you're pretty good.

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sunflower_sue 6 years, 11 months ago

deport DEPROT deoprt pedrot rtodep rotdep rotped dopert topred (Gootsie, feel free to chime in. This is your usual turf but I was just feeling an urge after reading...)

As per the immigration issue: My heart goes out to people who have family here and then are forced to leave. I don't know what their individual circumstances are, though. I don't think anyone should be allowed here illegally.. (extra period for added emphasis.) I do think that population control is an issue that should be addressed. I'm already feeling quite crowded out here in the country. There is just way too much to consider on this issue. I say we talk food.

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jonas 6 years, 11 months ago

"So tell me all you idiots that think we cannot deport them all, answer me this:

If you believe we can't deport them all, do you really think we can "process" them and that will line up and willing pay money out of their pocket for back taxes??!!?!?"

No, I don't think "process them" will line up and willing pay money. I don't think that "process them" being a concept and not a being, will actually be able to walk at all.

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ASBESTOS 6 years, 11 months ago

Look at Gonzales and his picture!!!

He wants a path to "Citizenship" however, look at the flag at the top of his icon!!

Gonzales you are an idiot. Just how many more do you want to let in? Are you going to pay for them??

What about 70% of the country that wants all these illegal A$$h0les deported?

Idiots like you think that there is no way to deport these people. Well Operation WEtback did 1,000,000 in one year.

But you aregue for the Guest worker program and the "path to citizenship" (which already exists, these a$$hole illegal aliens just did not want to do it).

So tell me all you idiots that think we cannot deport them all, answer me this:

If you believe we can't deport them all, do you really think we can "process" them and that will line up and willing pay money out of their pocket for back taxes??!!?!?

You are high! It would be MUCH EASIER TO DEPROT, than try to collect back taxes or to "process" 20,000,000 illegals!!!

Any politician that thinks we can do the above and believes that we cannot deport, is lying.

IF we cannot deoprt, we cannot process or collect either.

You cna't have it both ways!!!

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hitme 6 years, 11 months ago

I think they should make it a reality show and we get to vote on who gets to stay. (immigration can be fun)

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

LipRipper, you bigoted, traitorous fool!!

How DARE you leave the people of Guam out in the cold like that!!!!!!!!

;)

--Ag

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LawrenceBoy 6 years, 11 months ago

I would have to agreed that one of the purposes of this event was to blur the lines between legal and illegal immigrants. It's sad that consumers whose ancestors immigrated to this country under controlled conditions (Ellis Island) are so willing to turn a blind eye to illegals, all so that they can buy cheap lettuce. Without providing a pathway to illegals for legal citizenship, the status quo is no different than supporting (no, instititutionalizing) a sub-class of citizenry. That fact may be the biggest injustice. What hypocracy, that the rich housewife in San Diego, and now Kansas City or St. Paul, can experience the luxury of a housekeeper and gardener for pennies on the dollar:.all off the books. If you want to really do them a favor, help them get legal citizenship.

This country was unified, in part, by immigrants sharing a common port of entry and a common experience at that entry. My ancestors were given pronounceable, Americanized versions of their Russian names, and the assimilation began. Assimilation in this country is good. There being so many freedoms that allow for cultural expression, it is important that some system be in place to orient new citizens to a common American life. Part of that life is belief in the rule of law. If you don't like the law, change it. Until then, I'm not buying the lettuce, or the argument that amnesty and/or hiring an illegal is okay.

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BorderRat 6 years, 11 months ago

Legal immigration is fine but don't jump my fence and then demand you have a right to stay in my yard.

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Ceallach 6 years, 11 months ago

Amen, ms_c, amen. Very well said.

Immigration standards are stringent and in place for good reasons. Opening our borders during a time when so many facets of radical Islam are daily vowing to destroy our country hardly seems like a rational solution. While the OTS question does not specify "illegals," this big push for immigration changes is focused on the overwhelming number of illegal aliens currently in the US and most people know it.

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ms_canada 6 years, 11 months ago

Speaking with concern for my own country, no I definitely do not believe that immigration should be made easier. With the state of the hatred and animosity in this world at this time I do believe that countries with a fairly secure and safe citizenry should be overly cautious in their immigration policy. If that had been the case, perhaps there would have been no 9/11.

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jonas 6 years, 11 months ago

Infusing sunflower seeds with caffeine goes against God's way. Repent, lest you spend time in the fires of hell. . . . where you'll be awake, apparently, for a really long time.

Don't even get me started on the bacon bits! Pork products!!

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 11 months ago

Just for fun, here's the ownership information for uscitizenship.info:

http://whois.domaintools.com/uscitizenship.info

As to the question: it's kind of vague. How much easier are we talking about? A citizenship vending machine, or what? Between that and my sparse knowledge of the process, I'd answer this question only for a Klondike bar.

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Ceallach 6 years, 11 months ago

Not sure about peanuts, but Russian LIte dressing with bacon bits is mighty tasty!

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coolmom 6 years, 11 months ago

my heart says people need the opportunity to legally belong to the country they wish but my head says if you are here illigally then you have already broken the law at least once and then the people demenstrating who are here illegally make me angry. i feel like if we need to protect our country how can it be ok to be ok with illegal entry?

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 11 months ago

Russian Lite Peanuts with bacon bits!

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beatrice 6 years, 11 months ago

RI -- What is next will certainly be DE-caffeinated Russian peanuts.

Yes on today's question, for those applying from their own country. If someone has already entered illegally, however, then no, it shouldn't be easier.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 11 months ago

Population control starts at home. Please spay or neuter your spouse.

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Multidisciplinary 6 years, 11 months ago

Former Australia post:

They had a 3 part business plan already in place. The men and wives with money had education. It was just that the normal everyday contractor got in before the money..(He also had money, ..but not like the others LOL)

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Ceallach 6 years, 11 months ago

No to the OTS question, Yes to Agnostick's.

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

"People can also apply while living in their native countries. This process is easier for some and almost impossible for others. people from Latin American countries usually are denied because of the growing population in the u.S."


Now there's an even better OTS question!!

"Do you think 'population control' is a valid reason to limit or deny legal immigration opportunities?"

--Ag

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Pywacket 6 years, 11 months ago

R_I sez: Caffeinated Russian peanuts: What will they think of next?

They've already thunk of it, manufactured it, and put it on the market:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/7c30/

As for the immigration question-- swirl me in with Harley, Jonas, and T_O_B on this one. Don't know enough about the requirements to opine about what should be done; feel that the results of current policy are often nonsensical and arbitrary.

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

See?!?!? I told you I'm no expert! I already made a mistake!! :p

Seems that ICE is responsible for "border security," but not "citizenship." The government agency that turns "legal immigrants" into "American Citizens" is U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. They can be found here:

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

Sorry 'bout the confusion, folks!

--Ag

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everyone_needs_to_calm_down 6 years, 11 months ago

The road to citizenship (or legalization) is a long and expensive one. I came here as an undocumented immigrant when I was 3. Thankfully, in 1986, my father became eligible for permanent residency with Reagan's Amnesty. However, even with the amnesty, it took us approximately 8 years to receive permanent resident status. My family spent thousands of dollars on fees for documentation, fingerprints, travel to immigration appointments, etc... Not to mention, we had to go through the process twice because immigration lost our paperwork and each time to get to the next process we would have to wait until we saved up enough money to pay. Another road to citizenship is through a child who is a citizen, although parents and siblings must wait until the child is 21 to even apply. People can also apply while living in their native countries. This process is easier for some and almost impossible for others. people from Latin American countries usually are denied because of the growing population in the u.S. I hope this helps a bit, I'm sure there are other avenues, but these are the ones I'm familiar with. Check out the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (www.uscis.gov) for more information.

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Agnostick 6 years, 11 months ago

Okay, I'm not an "armchair immigration expert," but I am an "armchair search engine addict." That being said...

Here's the official government site:

http://www.ice.gov/

Now I'm not entirely sure about this one. Seems like some private company--I suppose there's a way to find out who owns the domain registration. On the surface, looks like a helpful site:

http://www.uscitizenship.info/index.htm

My initial answer to the above question is probably along the lines of Jason Stewart. Don't require "less" of the applicants themselves, but streamline the process, make it a bit easier and quicker and cheaper. "A bit."

Somebody mentioned Australia. Castro emptied his prisons into the Gulf back in 1980 and they came ashore in Miami. We should not be another "Australia" in that manner. If you weren't a hard-working, law-abiding citizen in your own land, I don't think a change of scenery will afford you a change in lifestyle, higher morals etc. Along those lines, I think all legal immigrants should have a two-year or three-year probationary period. If you're convicted of a felony during that time, or you're habitually arrested for drug crimes, then you get "La Bota!"

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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50YearResident 6 years, 11 months ago

The rules need to followed 100% or this Country will be run over by illegals from all over the world, not just the Mexicans. The flood of illegals will overwhelm the country and the government.

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acg 6 years, 11 months ago

I'm with groundskeeper Henry here. I have a whole A brain B brain thing going on with this issue. My emotions and my heart want to open up the nation and give opportunity to anyone who has to live in the abject poverty and oppression that some of our Hispanic friends have had to endure. The logic portion of me knows that this would be a fiscal nightmare, more so than it already is, and it's just not a reasonable solution. I'm stumped and I hate that I can't remedy this in my head.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

Caffeinated Russian peanuts...

What will they think of next?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 11 months ago

I'm not sure I fully understand it either. I know of students who went to college, paid tuition, graduate, had jobs (and paid taxes), wanted to stay, and then got booted. Recently, I know a guy who will get his PhD. this month and then has to leave his American wife and child. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Jonas is spot on. This is the type of question that'll bring out the armchair immigration experts in droves.

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blue73harley 6 years, 11 months ago

I'm pretty sure that these guys were simply seeking naturalization and that they were willing to work low paying jobs that Americans no longer want...

http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/90106.html

Or maybe they just came to town to join the protestors?

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Multidisciplinary 6 years, 11 months ago

I liked Australia in the 70's. Out of group of friends going there to start two new businesses, the men with the money had a hard time getting Visas, but the one that was a contractor had no problem what so ever. They wanted people who could work and make jobs. Yes, of course they eventually all got in, (political ties at the top always help).

And to get everyone through their day... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070501/ap_on_he_me/supercharged_seeds

If it's not David's, I'm not buying it.

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paladin 6 years, 11 months ago

The US of A already got nough folks her now, way too many, if truth be told. The country caint do right by them that's born here as it is. Don't need no more. Them folks from ever other country what ain't got nough rights or nough money ta live on there should demonstrate there, an fight infin they haf ta, THERE, not here.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 11 months ago

I do not think the act of Naturalization process has changed much from when my grandfather toddled off the steamer and into this country.

Who can gain the documents to become an eligible legal resident in order to pursue Naturalization is the issue.

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wolfmn58 6 years, 11 months ago

I say hell no.Don't make it any easier.Make all immigrates learn English,then make them all pay taxes out the butt like all Americans do.Then we will talk about being an American citizen

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paladin 6 years, 11 months ago

Not only NO, but HECK NO, fool! Anybody what thinks so is a dupe and a chump.

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jonas 6 years, 11 months ago

Ditto on harley, I haveth not a clue.

It's all right, though. I'm sure at some point today the experts that flock to this forum in such droves will be able to provide us with a factual, non-biased answer to our query.

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blue73harley 6 years, 11 months ago

Do any of the people answering the question actually know what it takes for immigrants to attain citizenship now? I don't. Is it really that hard to immigrate legally?

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