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Is our government doing enough about global warming?

Asked at Lawrence High School on March 13, 2007

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“No. I don’t really think they’re doing anything. But it’s not something the U.S. can fix by itself. Even if we did everything we could, it wouldn’t fix the problem.”

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“I think they are trying to downplay the importance of it and focusing too much on the economy, which doesn’t really matter without the earth.”

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“I think they need to do more. We need to set an example for the rest of the world by lowering our emissions and exploring alternative sources of energy.”

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“No, not really. I don’t think the Bush administration is taking it seriously.”

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“They could do more. We could cut back more on our emissions.”

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“I don’t think they are doing enough. They need to regulate the use of vehicles and equipment that produce high levels of CO2.”

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“I really don’t think that we are the primary cause of global warming. I think it’s a natural process of climate change that the earth is going through.”

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“It’s a big problem, and they aren’t doing enough about it. But I think they need to do more research before they can come up with a better solution.”

Comments

prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Careful, a NaCl deficiency can cause problems.

Okie dokie, it is a vast right wing conspiracy. There you go, shooting the messenger again. Defensive, no, offended and worried by ""anthroprocentrism," a mindset that identifies human beings as the source of all things "bad.""( from Lee Gerhard). Geology ROCKS and I know more than the average Joe or politician on the subject and I really want to help.

Did you miss this part, "Gerhard, whose research took place under the auspices of the Kansas Geological Survey and was not funded by industry".

Geologists were the first enviromentalists and you are a fool if you thing they all answer to Exxon. In my opinion, politicians are more likley to make a judgment by which side their bread is butter. Not me. Did you know that the degree is called Environmental Geology.

I googled National Climate Control Center research, and came up with nothing. Could you let me know whose basement they are being run from?

Look at this and read the disclaimer first.

http://www.kansasenergy.org/documents/Gerhard_Climate_Change.pdf

If you want to learn more, let me know. If not, go out and enjoy the glorious day, but don't forget your sunscreen.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

Posted by prospector (anonymous) on March 14, 2007 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Reality_Check

Bachelor of Science-Geology, KU What is your BS in? Jumping to conclusions?

The 99% number you claim? Are you guessing or do you have proof?

I know most of the Geologist at the Kansas State Geological Survey and a majority are in my camp. The guy I quoted, Lee Gerhard, was the State Geologist for Kansas(retired) and does know his stuff. Read his book "Introduction to Geological Perspectives of Global Climate Change". It makes more sense than Al Gore's.

Climatologist are weather experts and this is a Geological process. It is so big and full of inertia, all the legislation in the world will not make a tinkers damn. We will have to evolve with it and adapt.

A little more for you to chew on. http://dpa.aapg.org/correlator/2006/glob...

Oh, so that's why you are so defensive of this oil and tobacco funded climate research....That makes sense. Now I know to take what you are writing with a half a grain of salt.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

Posted by prospector (anonymous) on March 13, 2007 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crispian, so the National CLIMATE CONTROL Center does not have an agenda? It is stated in it's name. What does geography have to do with it?

Geology is the study of the earth's processes and mechanisms that control it. That control is not ours.

You may be right that perhaps there is an agenda. However, it still does not negate two things: 1) They (National Climate Control) are not funded by Exxon Mobil and big tobacco companies like the National Center on Public Policy you seem to put so much stock into as the experts on environmental matters. 2) That at least let's us know that there are other, perhaps less biased, groups that disagree with this ONE study.

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couranna1 7 years, 1 month ago

this country wants to be the lead e4nforcer in violence but not i anything that actually helps the world; pathetic

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Reality_Check

Bachelor of Science-Geology, KU What is your BS in? Jumping to conclusions?

The 99% number you claim? Are you guessing or do you have proof?

I know most of the Geologist at the Kansas State Geological Survey and a majority are in my camp. The guy I quoted, Lee Gerhard, was the State Geologist for Kansas(retired) and does know his stuff. Read his book "Introduction to Geological Perspectives of Global Climate Change". It makes more sense than Al Gore's.

Climatologist are weather experts and this is a Geological process. It is so big and full of inertia, all the legislation in the world will not make a tinkers damn. We will have to evolve with it and adapt.

A little more for you to chew on. http://dpa.aapg.org/correlator/2006/globalwarming.cfm

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 1 month ago

With the things that Red China is doing, it doesn't make a Tinker's D++n what the USA does.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Agnostick 7 years, 1 month ago

"Conservatism is a cancer eating out the rectum of America"

--Senor Miguel ScabItch

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Agnostick 7 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, there you go, Marion. Faux News. Yeah, that's right.

And what does your Holy Loveliness, Michael Savage, have to say about this? I can't wait...

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 1 month ago

Yes, many non-politically motivated scientists are punching holes in Gores theories more every day.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 1 month ago

Al Gore told to STFU:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258462,00.html

That boy is outa control and I am cereal about this!

Besides, ManBearPig may have returned!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Reality_Check 7 years, 1 month ago

What's your scientific training that makes you qualified to challenge 99% of the world's climatologists again, prospector? Oh, yeah, right: You have none.

I say we argue about it until it's too late and we all die.

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Tom Shewmon 7 years, 1 month ago

I went ahead and gave "An Incovenient Truth" a second chance (missed a little of it cooking and stuff) but have to say, while there is some interesting stuff in the movie, I don't understand the two or three segues into election and GWB stuff/footage......not sure what that was intended to mean in a movie about climactic shifts.

I sort of felt sorry for Gore after watching the movie. He may be a terrific human being, but he needs to stay out of politics--forever.

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beatrice 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm sorry prospector, I could only see that last line -- "You are correct ..." : )

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Bea, I stated the earth is warming up and nothing we do can change it. We will all feel better if we all do our little bit as inconsequential as it might be. If I am wrong, will a reduction in the 1/4 to 1 percent CO2 that makes up the greenhouse gasses help? One study(my 3:08 post) states that tree are responsible for up to 30% of the methane emissions in the world. Shall we start with legislation for clear cutting? I am still open to ideas, but don't think we can fix this. It is throwing money up in the air and running out from under it. I guess that learning how to adjust will be easier that quessing and trying prophylactic solution.

As for the argument that those responsible for these actions are the loudest is silly. Shoot the messenger. Tobacco propaganda of the past cannot compare to the industries that create all the stuff we require. Anyway, oil companies will increase revenues with this type of legislation because it will increase the cost of oil and gas for all and all industries will pass higher cost on to us. We will all pay more for nothing.

You are correct, the war on global warming does rank up there with the war in Iraq, wars on drugs, poverty, inflation, outlaws, permits, and bans.

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beatrice 7 years, 1 month ago

prospector, "Billions spent and nothing gained ..." I think you just described the Iraq war. But that is an argument for another day.

You may not care for the solutions offered, but you didn't answer the question -- what if you are wrong? Or better yet, what are the consequences if you are wrong?

It seems to me that the ones making the loudest argument against global warming caused by people's actions are the businesses being pointed out as the responsible parties. It is kind of like the tobacco companies when they argued that cigarettes weren't bad for your health nor addictive. Too bad so many chose to listen to the businesses then and now.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Crispian, so the National CLIMATE CONTROL Center does not have an agenda? It is stated in it's name. What does geography have to do with it?

Geology is the study of the earth's processes and mechanisms that control it. That control is not ours.

From article:

In Gerhard's view, today's climate debate has been dominated by those embracing the notion of "anthroprocentrism," a mindset that identifies human beings as the source of all things "bad."


Agnostick, you are correct and I do those thing and encourage all to do their part. The guhb-ment will never be able to legislate the weather.

Bea, I just don't think a prophylactic solution is good. Billions spent and nothing gained does not work for me. A finite resource is just that.

R_I, an anonymous quote," Boys that pick up rocks go to prison or become Geologists."

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75x55 7 years, 1 month ago

Ah... the SS Global Warming has struck the iceberg, and soon, will be swarmed by friendly polar bears. 'Friendly' in a not-so-good-way....

Attaboy, Chris!

At least they're not ALL brainwashed.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

Good call, Agnostick.

One other thing I have read and heard is that every single thing you buy that is produced uses energy and expells waste. Try and buy items that don't have excess packaging, refillable items, bulk items, etc. Buy big bottles (gallons) of water and then use your own washable container to hold them versus using individual bottles that create a lot of waste.

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Agnostick 7 years, 1 month ago

Not really anything the guhb-mint can do 'bout this one. Education and individual action are what's needed. Recycle what you can, make prudent choices about transportation. If you live two blocks from the grocery store, do you really need to drive just to get two or three items? Bicycling, walking are good options.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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beatrice 7 years, 1 month ago

prospector -- simple question: what if you are wrong?

If the scientists are correct, why not try to do something? If they are incorrect, the worse that can happen is we spend time and money on a non-existant problem, and in the process probably do something about making our finite natural resources last longer. However, if they are correct and humans do nothing, the globe environment can radically change and kill billions in the process.

So weigh the consequences of doing something against doing nothing, and you can see that there can only be one reasonable response to the scientists' warnings.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

Prospector, Geez to you too. Did you not read the part where I posted that the policy agency you are quoting as fact is an agency that gets a lot of it's funds through a former senator and through Exxon Mobil.

Actually, I did not make up the issue about ice core drilling. It was actually something that was discussed in the most hated of all climate change manifestos "An Inconvenient Truth". Of course I did not state that because I will instantaneously be bashed for reading it. However, the majority of the figures in the book are from the National Climate Control Center research, National Geography Survey, etc.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

"There have been some debates as to whether geologocal testing is as accurate as ice core drilling."Crispian

Making things up now? Your statement is apples and oranges. Did you miss the part about CO2 is 1/4 to 1 percent of the makeup of greenhouse gasses?

Geez, don't like the message, shoot the messenger. Okay never mind, just be wrong. Foil hats all around?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 1 month ago

prospector,

Are you speaking as a professional geologist, or as a right-wing ideologist?

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ASBESTOS 7 years, 1 month ago

"According to the 99% of scientists who agree that this is fact, the drillings show that our levels of atmospheric carbon are at their highest ppm level than they have been any time before or since humans began to inhabit the earth."

No, that is not true, that is in the last 1500 years. In the world history and during the rise of humans, there have been higher levels of CO2.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

OH, wait, excuse me, the donations from Exxon went up moe that 500% between 2001 and 2002 to this "non-partisan, non biased" group.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

There have been some debates as to whether geologocal testing is as accurate as ice core drilling.

I am going to echo Beatrice's sentiment and say "Why would 99% of scientists agree this is fact?"

Regarding the Center for Science and Public Policy, despite Non-partisan, non-corporate funding claims, this came directly from their website:

"Non-Profit Organizations Receiving Corporate Funding
Index of Non-Profit Organizations Receiving Corporate Funding

CENTER FOR SCIENCE AND PUBLIC POLICY / CENTER FOR SOUND SCIENCE AND PUBLIC POLICY The Center for Sound Science and Public Policy, also appearing under the name of the Center for Science and Public Policy, is run by the Frontiers of Freedom Foundation, an organization founded and chaired by former Senator Malcolm Wallop of Wyoming. Frontiers of Freedom receives money from tobacco and oil companies, including Philip Morris, ExxonMobil and RJ Reynolds Tobacco. Frontiers of Freedom Institute and Foundation has received $467,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. (http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=35; accessed 4/20/05) According to the New York Times, Frontiers for Freedom received $230,000 out of its $700,000 annual budget from Exxon in 2002, up from $40,000 in 2001. (Lee, John. "Exxon backs groups that question global warming," The New York Times, 5/28/03) Malcolm Wallop has been a board of directors member of the El Paso Natural Gas Company since 1995. (PR Newswire, "El Paso Natural Gas Company names new director," 1/13/95)

ExxonMobil direct donations to the Center for Sound Science and Public Policy/Center for Science and Public Policy:

2002: $100,000 Source: ExxonMobil 2002 Annual Report (http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/Newsroom/Publications/Corp_P_AnnualReport2002.asp; accessed 4/21/05)

2003: $50,000 Source: ExxonMobil 2003 Corporate Giving Report (http://www.exxonmobil.com/corporate/Newsroom/Publications/Corp_P_AnnualReport2003.asp; accessed 4/21/05)

As you can see donations from Exxon Mobil went up more than 1400% to the agency that funded this research between 2001 and 2002.

I don't know about you all, but I tend to doubt any environmental research funded in large part by those who peddle petroleum and tobacco.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

The most important thing from the article I quoted,

"The idea of global warming," he continues, "is dangerous precisely because it gives the false impression that we might be able to halt climate change by fiddling with just one or two of the millions of factors involved.9

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tony88 7 years, 1 month ago

speaking of hysteria; how bout that "terrorist" threat? frankly, i haven't seen enough evidence to prove that "terrorist" had anything to do with 9/11. better just sit back and let it happen huh?

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Crispian

As for CO2 levels, so.

From

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA550CaliforniaGlobalWarming_90107.html

"Overall," Gerhard says, "the earth's climate has been cooling for 60 million years, but that is only an average -- temperature goes up and down constantly."4 Addressing a September 20 Capitol Hill briefing sponsored by the Center for Science and Public Policy, Gerhard, in a power point presentation, showed the highly variable nature of the earth's climate over the past 16,000 years and, in more detail, during the last 2,000 years. "Depending on the period in earth's history that is chosen," he said, "the climate will either be warming or cooling. Choosing whether earth is warming or cooling is simply a matter of picking end points."5

Gerhard, whose research took place under the auspices of the Kansas Geological Survey and was not funded by industry, points out that the geological record shows that rises in greenhouse gases do not precede rises in temperature. Indeed, CO2 levels actually rose prior to the advent of the Little Ice Age (circa 1400).6 Moreover, CO2, the greenhouse gas most prominently cited as contributing to global warming, represents only about 1/4 of 1 percent of the total greenhouse gas effect, "hardly a device to drive the massive energy system of earth's climate," he says.7

Gerhard's conclusions are supported by findings released Sept. 29 by CO2 researechers Sherwood, Keith and Craig Idso. "[E]arth's mean near-surface air temperature is nowhere near the peak level of what it was a million or so years ago," they write. "Neither is it as high as it was during the mid-Holocene [circe 5,000 years ago], which was itself much cooler than all four of the interglacials that preceded it. In fact, it's not even as warm now as it was a mere 900 years ago, when the atmosphere's CO2 concentration was fully 100 ppm (parts per million) less than it is today..."8 (emphasis in the original)

You are wrong. Hysteria will kill us.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, Bea, I don't think they are lying, just mis-informed. I fall under the camp that our impact is minuscule when we look at the big picture. It(warming) is happening because we are still coming out of the last ice age. There is impact from volcanics, organic material decay, even trees that create many times more greenhouse gasses that you and I.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm

We need to take care of this planet. We will not help it by thinking it is our impact doing it and we can fix it. These are unprovable claims. Conservation is a good thing and the market will make us eventually reduce our hydrocarbon consumption though I feel mother nature does not really care what we do or don't do.

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Crispian Paul 7 years, 1 month ago

Prospector, I hate to continue on pointing out that you are wrong, but you are wrong. Climate shift is INDEED natural. However, the levels of climate shift we are experiencing are more drastic in the past two hundred or so years (since around the time of the Industrial Revolution) than they were in the previous 30 million years. Ice core drilling is an interesting science. They drill down and each "era" of ice has certain markers and carbons that let scientists know how old the sample is. According to the 99% of scientists who agree that this is fact, the drillings show that our levels of atmospheric carbon are at their highest ppm level than they have been any time before or since humans began to inhabit the earth.

Whether or not these kids walked or rode their bikes to school today has nothing to do with whether or not global warming is being taken seriously by the government. That's simply a way to try and draw attention away from the issue at hand.

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beatrice 7 years, 1 month ago

prospector, why would the majority of the world's scientists lie? We can't afford to see if you are right and that human actions aren't having an affect on the planet's stability. Good for the kids for seeing through the corporate greed of immediate gratification and that profits are more important than future well-being. They are the future and I hope they can take care of the mess they are being handed by those too lazy to do anything about it themselves.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

He gave a very intelligent answer also.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 1 month ago

prospector, But can he talk the talk?

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Dazie, I am glad he walks the walk.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

I wonder how many of these kids walked or rode a bike to school today? I bet none.

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prospector 7 years, 1 month ago

Chris Paradies wins the prize!

As for the rest, from the mouths of babes comes the PC answers. The indoctination is working. Excellent!

Did you guys read "Chicken Little The Sky is Falling" in school?

So ponder this, when it comes to the climate, geological history proves it has fluctuated up and down many, many times. The fact about the climate is that the only thing that is constant is change.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 1 month ago

I heard "Greenhouse Gas Gore" was considering another run.
Isn't that enough?

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