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Do you find the “Muck Fizzou” T-shirt to be in bad taste?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on March 3, 2007

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Photo of Valerie Johnson

“I would say no. It’s a long-standing rivalry, and I think they’re funny. It shouldn’t be taken seriously.”

Photo of Ben Cook

“They started out as a joke, and now it has gone too far. Basically they’ve become trite and should be replaced with something besides putting down one school. I think we’re bigger than that.”

Photo of Kaleigh Hudson

“No. I have one and I love it.”

Photo of Justin Schiffner

“Absolutely not, because I hate Mizzou and I think everyone who lives in Lawrence should, too.”


massst 11 years, 2 months ago


want more????

classclown 11 years, 2 months ago

I don't think they're offensive or in bad taste. However, I think it has gotten stale. Like a joke told too often, it has pretty much gone from funny to worth a giggle to tired.

Simple minds, simple pleasures I guess.

geekin_topekan 11 years, 2 months ago

Nuck fo! I think they are hilarious.As clean humored as it can get.

beatrice 11 years, 2 months ago

What is on the t-shirts of the rivals of Florida?

Larry 11 years, 2 months ago

No and as a KU fan I didn't think the annual "Running of the Chickens" in Manhattan was in bad taste. It was funny and NO - I don't think the chickens cared. How in the heck does anyone know if the chickens cared? Did PETA have a conversation with those three chickens? For all we know - those chickens were running around the court laughing and hamming it up in front of the largest audience that they've ever performed in front of. They were probably yelling - "look at me, look at me! Listen to these fans cheering for me! yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaa". I mean, come on PETA- do you really think those chickens would rather be caged up in a dirt pen with a windchill of 0 degrees OR performing live in front of 13,000 screaming fan that would rather see them strut their stuff then ring their neck and fry them up for dinner.

beatrice 11 years, 2 months ago

Yes, they are in bad taste. Simply ask yourself, would you feel comfortable giving one to a second grader? Would you feel comfortable explaining the meaning to that second grader? The only way someone could think they aren't in bad taste is if they also felt it not in bad taste if none of the letters were switched.

A rivalry is one thing, but to truly "hate" another place and the people who live or visit there simply because you live in the other place is silly at best. At worse, it is the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, the Sunis and the Shiites in Iraq ...

weluvbowling 11 years, 2 months ago

These shirts have been around for HOW long and NOW someone is making a BIG deal out of it? Jesus! Did someone just wake up one day and say...I think I will complain about...THIS...

What will it be tomorrow for Christ sake?

I truly think that some people need to find a job because they have NOTHING better to do than try to ruin everyone else's fun. As far as the 2nd graders...there are 2nd grade appropriate TShirts, get them one of those!

You are probably one in the same that is trying to get Naughty But Nice removed from Lawrence...maybe you should buy a toy, put on the tshirt (try the slogan on for size) and get rid of some stress!

classclown 11 years, 2 months ago

Wait until they change Missourri street to Muck Fizzou street.

paladin 11 years, 2 months ago

I can't worry about this. I have broader, more important issues to worry about. Like, why pupils are brazen enough to wear their undershirts out in public. This is shameful. Why are they not ashamed? This is funny? I'll bet these misguided and wayward youth are the same ones who follow the firetrucks to a fire and stop to gawk at traffic accident scenes. This is all indicative of the slippery moral slide to degeneracy that we all on plummeting down. Oh well.

paladin 11 years, 2 months ago

I bet they're all Liberals. Or Liberal Lovers.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 2 months ago

Of course it's in bad taste. (What Bea said) A couple of years ago, I was in a store and a college girl walked right by my young kid wearing a shirt that said "I have the p---y, therefore I make the rules." That may or may not be so, but it's kind of akin to Phred's posters. The shirts don't need to be in a place where small children can see them.

Now, a really important question... I made a batch of almond/coconut macaroons. Should I dunk the bottoms in chocolate or leave them plain?

classclown 11 years, 2 months ago

Yes they taste bad. And they always leave me with cotton mouth.

paladin 11 years, 2 months ago

It is my carefully considered opinion to dunk some, leave some. Sort of a diplomatic solution.

Porter 11 years, 2 months ago

I think the "saving the children" argument is ridiculous. If a kid is old/mature enough to figure out the joke, he/she's old enough to be taught what's appropriate and what is not. We work so hard to hide the "adult" stuff from our kids when we know that they're subjected to much worse when we're not around.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, Paladin. It never occured to me that I could compromise and have it both ways. You saved my day, and I am eternally (well, at least for today) grateful. :)

vegashawk 11 years, 2 months ago

Start printing the Mless Bizzou shirts for next year.

StirrrThePot 11 years, 2 months ago

Well, Mr. Justin Schiffer, let's do it! Let's give everyone in Lawrence one of these shirts. We'll start with the area elementary schools. For those who can't yet read, we'll tell them what it says and what it means and why the "juvenile behavior" is a great thing outside of the university. To hell with the KU-MU pre-Civil War roots, just simplify it all and say MUCK FIZZOU!

I never want to hear KU students cry about how bad Mizzou fans are again. We as fans can no longer claim to be better than Mizzou because we are officially at the level of rudeness we always used to accuse those battery throwers of being. Well done!

Flap Doodle 11 years, 2 months ago

Are the shirts being made in dolphin-safe, cruelty-free free-trade factories powered by renewable energy sources?

sunflower_sue 11 years, 2 months ago

"If a kid is old/mature enough to figure out the joke..." Porter, exactly! That is why the second grader is asking what it means. They can't figure it out on their own, and yet they read well enough to know that it doesn't make sense.
"But mommy, then why would they have that on a T-shirt?" "Well, honey, because some people don't care that they are being socially ignorant bastards." (After all, they are old enough so why sugar coat it?)

classclown 11 years, 2 months ago

Posted by sunflower_sue (anonymous) on March 3, 2007 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks, Paladin. It never occured to me that I could compromise and have it both ways. You saved my day, and I am eternally (well, at least for today) grateful. :)


Perhaps internally grateful as well. :)

mom_of_three 11 years, 2 months ago

let's put it this way - my 14 year old wanted one, and I said no.

jonas 11 years, 2 months ago

Bad taste. . . well, yeah.

Do we care about bad taste? I was under the impression that we sometimes did not.

ms_canada 11 years, 2 months ago

Hoorah and good for you mom of three. If you don't teach you children who the heck will. The rotten crap that one sees on pieces of clothing these days is getting out of hand. IMHO. Some jerk called me a prude once. Just for the heck of it, I looked up prude in the dictionary. I was delighted to read that it came from the french prudfemme and meant gentlewoman. So there, I thought. :o)

Bone777 11 years, 2 months ago

Muck Fizzou? I like to listen people come out against this as damaging to the children.

These are the same people that make claims that Bill Clinton was a great president, when he destroyed the office in my children's eyes.

Bone777 11 years, 2 months ago

Ben Cook needs to put on a skirt, get some pom-poms and get out there and CHEER!


We've got spirit, yes we do! We've got spirit, how 'bout ...never mind we don't want to put down another person.

Linda Aikins 11 years, 2 months ago

Honestly? I don't understand why people use their "t-shirt text" to undermine others. What a waste of money! I would much prefer to cheer the Jayhawks with some Hawk Talk than waste my shirt, time, and money promoting anything else - negative attention is STILL attention.

And I agree - the Fizzou shirts are quite tasteless.

BUTT I am going to call a foul on using the word "retard" Mr. Zero. There is a use for that word, but not when describing people.

OTS playground supervisor, out.

ms_canada 11 years, 2 months ago

As I went about my housework this am, I was thinking about this topic. what struck me most was that we are going to hell in a handbasket. Once upon a time the word dignity meant something. I would not be surprised if that word would soon not be found in a dictionary. Young people will not know the meaning of dignified behaviour. The half naked girls that one sees on the street and on the screens, large and small, can, by no means, be called dignified. As for the T-shirts, words are means of communication and no matter how they are spelled, they communicate a thought, an idea or a feeling. All the switched around words that I read on here this am convey thoughts, undignified thoughts, my own above included.

Crossfire 11 years, 2 months ago

Bad taste is who, when and where. Wearing the M F shirt on Mass. St. on game day is OK. Wearing it to your Uncle Chuck Farley's funeral in Booneville MO might be wrong. It's just a word...

sunflower_sue 11 years, 2 months ago

"I wonder if that shows by the company I keep...?" -RI Well, probably. But I would not let my kiddies wear the phuck phred shirt. (Although I might laugh seeing your's in them.)

Jane, that explanation would most likely work for a four year old. Unfortunately for me, I had a 6 yr old see phred's signs. They had no words...just pictures. "Mommy, what are those people doing on that sign?" I could not equate the "act" with hate. It is a difficult thing to explain when it's five minutes to showtime, and I probably would have gotten a lot of strange looks explaining "doggie style" and "same sex love" to my six year old in the theatre.

denak 11 years, 2 months ago

I think they are slightly vulgar but I can't get worked out about them. It's a tee-shirt. As someone pointed out, there are more important things to worry aobut. As someone else there are worst tee-shirts out there and even though it is a little vulgar, I still think it is clever.

weluvbowling 11 years, 2 months ago

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights. It prohibits the federal legislature from making laws that establish a state religion or prefer a certain religion (the "Establishment Clause"), prohibit free exercise of religion (the "Free Exercise Clause"), infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Does this not include what is put on a shirt, a license tag, a bumper sticker, a hat, a blog, or anything else that may come to mind?

Let's face it people, life is ever changing! In the 1940's, when my Mother was a child, things were WAY different than today! When I was a child, we won't say when, things were WAY different than today! Having a 21 year old and a 12 year old and seeing what they are growing up with I have to wonder, what will they be saying in 20 years?

I agree, there are some things that should not be displayed but this particular discussion at hand...this shirt...MY GOD I remember this shirt from YEARS ago...again...I have to ask...WHY IS IT A BIG DEAL TODAY?

I don't paint a pretty picture for my is NOT pretty in the REAL world. You think that you are sheltering your child from things and keeping them innocent? Wait until your 12 year old comes home and tells you that one of the other girls at school told her to check out that boys feet and then proceeded to tell her why! THANK GOD I have a good relationship with my daughter that she talks to me about this. I get to learn what they are learning in school and it surprises the point that "home school" HAS been a thought.

So, when those of you are THINKING you are sheltering your kids from those meanings, chances are, they already know, they are just testing your "honesty"!

sunflower_sue 11 years, 2 months ago

weluvbowling, I don't think that people who prefer not to see vulgar language on T-shirts are necessarily "sheltering" their children. I'm glad that you have a good relationship w/ your daughter. But, as you said, she's 12..not 6! At 6, I think you can give them enough info to satisfy their curiosity w/out shattering their innocence. Yes, they will learn it all soon enough, anyway. I also talk to my kids about sex, however, age appropiately. (I wasn't about to tell my then 6 year old that, sometimes, spanking can be a good thing.) I'm not so naive that I think my middle schooler doesn't understand adult humor. Really, the MF T's don't bother me so much...just so old to really not even be noticable anymore. We are desensitized zombies.

Ya'll have a good day! Play nice!

Shane Garrett 11 years, 2 months ago

Our town and we are a fun place to live. Diversity is our middle name. Have fun. Go KU Beat Texas!

drewdun 11 years, 2 months ago

"What about the CHILDREN? Won't somebody remember the CHILDREN?"

Here's an idea: if you're so worried about your children's delicate eyes and ears, chain them up in your basement.

"Bring out the gimp!"

H_Lecter 11 years, 2 months ago

"chain them up in the basement" has special meaning to me but not for the kids. I happen to own one of the shirts in question, but it is not appropriate to be worn in the presence of kids. It 's fine to wear under another shirt, to your frat, or when there are no kids around. I also agree that the humor is well worn as well. I'm sure with 29,000 students and many more fans, someone can come up with something clever that can still be shown on TV. (I'd be glad to provide them a free meal).

james bush 11 years, 2 months ago

Yes.......but social mores and standards of civility seem to be sinking lower as time goes on. The norm for some young adults has become that of dirty-minded juveniles.......kind of like what one sees in many so-called humorus "animal house" type movies about college misfits.

beatrice 11 years, 2 months ago

This is funny! I never said the children should be protected or saved or anything of the sort. If you want to teach your 8 year old how to talk like a trucker, go for it. What do I care? As long as you aren't subjecting your snot-nosed spawn to physical harm, knock yourself out. Words are just words. Who knows, one of them might just grow up to be the next Lenny Bruce.

I simply asked, would you feel comfortable giving one or explaining the meaning to a 2nd grader. If your answer is "yes, I would feel comfortable doing so," then obviously you don't think they are in bad taste. Of course this makes me wonder where you do draw the line? Or if you even realize that others still feel a line pertaining to civility exists? But TOB put it best by stating out that the whole point is that they are in bad taste. If they weren't in bad taste, why have one?

And bad taste can be a good thing. The films of John Waters is a perfect example. I don't think they are suitable for children, however.

The vehement response to what people thought I wrote, rather than what the words actually state, reminds me of the old bumper sticker "Mean people suck." What most people who displayed the sticker actually felt, however, was, "People who don't let me do whatever I want whenever I want suck."

Tychoman 11 years, 2 months ago

These shirts have been around forever. Why raise a stink about them now? Every school does them.

Alison Roberts 11 years, 2 months ago

First off... Jane...if thats your real name......way to out yourself as a mizzou fan. Are you sure you want to do that on a lawrence website? Yeah.. nice.

secondly. They are just shirts. There are many other things that are WAY moe offensive to raise such hell about. If youre so worried about your kids, perhaps you should accompany them to school and hear some of the things that other children are telling them.. You cant protect yoru kids from the "big, bad world" because they live in it every day.

So why worry about a stupid t-shirt?

I personally do not believe they are in bad taste--although it could be argued that the mizzou fans are bar far some of the worst fans in relation to how they treat the visiting team and their fans--so why not make some funny tshirts.. no one is getting hurt. As stated before, its just a lousy tshirt.

pelliott 11 years, 2 months ago

I find it in bad taste, mostly within the context of so much of the small nasty little things that have gone on in that rivalry. Sports fans here in Lawrence don't seem to even consider that good sportsmanship or even civility has any place in the 'culture" mean is funny, crude is the only means of expression. I notice very few Lawrence fans speaking up for civility. I am sick of the attitude, Literally if you speak up for civility you are told it isn't part of the winning attitude and you don't get the team spirit idea. It really is just the mob spirit more and more.

Mkh 11 years, 2 months ago

^^^ What the Muck are you talking about?

budwhysir 11 years, 2 months ago

Seems as though we are very concerned about upsetting missouri. Maybe we should have all our home games at arrowhead and let them have all the procedes from the games.

Bill Chapman 11 years, 2 months ago

I think there is something in our nations history that could help settle this little problem - Freedom Of Speech.

Most will not wear these T-shirts in inappropriate places. Censorship sucks - it is trademark/ sign of oppressive political/cultural societies. Making a law restraining people from displaying annoying or inappropriate items or words in public is illegal.

As for Fred Phelps (and others like him) it is also illegal to restrain, harm, or kill people for being idiots - this is a good thing as the definition of an idiot is very much in the eye of the beholder.


Bill Chapman 11 years, 2 months ago

Oh yeah - for those of you who hate (this a T- shirt people, not Bin Laden) these shirts don't read past here.

For those of you interested in other questionable but funny T- shirts try out this website:

or just do a google search of tshirts there are at least 10 t-shirt sites I have seen.

cheerku 11 years, 2 months ago

In case you didn't know, many K-State and Mizzou fans where shirts that say "Kuck FU". Now, each school has rude and tasteless fans and the entire student body should not be called tasteless because some of them wear these shirts. And if people actually attended KU they would know that we don't "hate" Mizzou, it's just a rivarly. Yes, we don't like them very much, but it does not mean that we "hate" them. And the fact that K-State and Mizzou fans are putting down KU fans just shows that they can be pretty tasteless too. So, think about that before you talk about how KU has no class.

If you think Muck Fizzou is bad, look at some of the shirts downtown at Joe College. There are all in fun but are very tasteless and would never wear one myself.

cheerku 11 years, 2 months ago

P.S. Jane....."KU is so afraid that mizzou will kill them on the court or field that fans resort to namecalling and cussing to make themselves feel better"

REALLY? KU afraid of Mizzou.....are you still upset about the 3 wins KU had over K-State this year? I find it humorous that your "awesome" coach Huggins guaranteed a win over KU at Bramlage(also known as Allen Fieldhouse West). HAHA!!! There are no guarantees in life. K-State fans shouldn't talk so much before the game and leave it to after the game because they make themselves look pretty silly bragging that they are going to win and then never come through.

Alison Roberts 11 years, 2 months ago


why do you care so much if youre a huge ksu fan? Why should it bother you so much?

KSU fans are among the worst as well Then and their tshirts--and I can say that for a fact because I have been in manhattan numerous times, they have shirts that "say just as much" about KSU. So dont be on a high horse about how wonderful the wildcats are.

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