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What do you think of Barack Obama as a presidential candidate?
Asked at Massachusetts Street on January 17, 2007
“I think he has a lot of charisma and he’s a good politician - knowing when to keep his mouth shut. I like that he’s young and he has a lot of enthusiasm. Hopefully he doesn’t have to hitch his cart to Hillary’s horse.”
“I would really love it if he became president, but I don’t know if he’s old enough to win. I’m from Chicago, so I’m actually a big fan of his.”
“I think he will be a good candidate in the future. I think a vice-presidential nomination would be best for him. I think he needs more experience, but I appreciate his values and intelligence.”
“I think that he’s an unknown and that he’s kind of a celebrity in politics right now. What’s behind it? I don’t know, but I’d be willing to wait and see.”
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17 January 2007
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Kuku_Kansas (Anonymous) says…
As a native Chicagoan…I can't lie about having high hopes about Obama.
Since seeing him speak at the Democratic National Convention, I immediately became interested in him. One of the few politicians I actually listen to.
If nothing else, the Dems haven't had a “strong” and “exciting” candidate in quite some time.
Guess we'll see.
17 January 2007
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merrill (Anonymous) says…
Obama …. He is becoming a celebrity so we must watch with a questioning eye.
The media has taken control of selecting our choices. They are not doing a good job of covering all that have made the plunge.
They continue to focus on Hillary who I would rather not win and Obama who might be good.
What about John Edwards,Christopher Dodd Tom Vilsack and Dennis Kucinich? There is still time for more to surface.
The bottom line is these campaigns start way too early and require a lot of special interest financing which I say voters must do away with if WE want serious change and representative government.
I do not want Hillary,Biden,McCain or that former New York mayor. The country should not elect anymore PNAC neoconservatives like the Bush family and Newt represent. Too many politicians gain worship status….yuck.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
No one has been able to tell me what Mr. Barak has done thus far in his 2 years in the Senate so I can't help but think that he is a charasmatic and completely inexperienced candidate.
The facts are the only reason he is currently a Senator is because sex scandals knocked out the respective Dem and Rep candidates for the Senate seat he ended up winning. Not to mention he beat out of state Alan Keyes.
He may be the best person running. No one can tell me why other than he gave a speech a couple years back.
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
Anybody know if he is connected with Manchurian Global Corporation?
17 January 2007
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Unix_Admin (Anonymous) says…
No experience in politics. That's kinda what we have had the last six years with George Jr. But hey, if Oprah likes him he has to be the right guy for the job. *sarcasm emits*
17 January 2007
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
“I can't help but think that he is a charasmatic and completely inexperienced candidate.”
As far as I can tell, 6 years in, Bush, who was even less experienced coming in than Obama is, has failed to learn anything from the experience, and whatever his appeal is to the few diehards who still support him, it certainly isn't charisma.
So if Obama is elected, it can't be anything but an improvement over what we have now.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
TOB, he's highly-touted mainly because he looks good and sounds right. That's the idea I get. Which, really, is pretty much what you need for elections these days.
Also, I'm concerned that he's a “good politician.” I'm not sure we need more of those. How about good leaders?
17 January 2007
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Kookamooka (Anonymous) says…
Original Bob,
When you say “no one has been able to tell you what he's done…” I say….find out for yourself!!
This is a Democracy. You can't expect people to spoon feed you. Get on-line and do the research.
I can guarantee has hasn't been popping pain killers.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
Bozo -
I hear that a lot of… “Bush was even less experienced…”
So… is that a good excuse? Not to me. I'd like the bar to be set a little higher.
Quality point, Sarge. He may prove himself to be a good leader. Hell, he's got over a year until the first primaries so maybe he can.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
Kookamooka -
Yeah, um, I've looked and found nothing and thus I asked. And I'm pretty sure he's not a pain killer type of guy. Once you've had the white gold, the rest is amateur. Not that I'm holding something he did 25-30 years ago against him. I think that'll be a non-issue. I think since he is still a smoker that will become a bigger issue. You know, since cigs are the great evil nowadays.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
He's a smoker? I thought he was perfect!
Seriously, TOB, I'm actually not a fan of his. He seems too slick and too perfect for the public eye for his own good. But hey, until he does have a track record, like you noted, I suppose we can't rule him out as a decent leader. But until that point, I think we should rule him out as president.
17 January 2007
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merrill (Anonymous) says…
Until we garner this approach:
http://www.publicampaign.org/clean-facts
Accompanied with this:
http://www.fairvote.org/irv/
Don't expect drastic change anytime soon. We could insist this be on the 2008 ballots. Voters must do it because politicians are afraid to do it.
17 January 2007
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trinity (Anonymous) says…
the political celebrity factor has made me a little leery. and i agree-i need to know that he's going to make a leader, not a politician, and i'm still looking for info about that.
my 2 cents.
17 January 2007
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Pywacket (Anonymous) says…
Bush had lots of experience in running everything he touched into the ground and the American sheep, in their “wisdom,” still saw fit to elect him—or, rather, enough of a minority of voters did that the right-leaning Supreme Court saw fit to hand him a botched election… So much for the American public's ability to discern positive from catastrophic “experience.”
At least Barack is intelligent. i'd like to see him a little older, a little more seasoned, before he made a run but I have to say—if he gets the Dem nomination, I'll be on his bandwagon against whatever the Repubs put up.
17 January 2007
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crohan1978 (Anonymous) says…
Obama is nothing more than a candidate manufactured by the media. He has done absolutely nothing in his political career, yet the media has made him a star since day 1. It is a joke. He is definately very charismatic, but honestly, what has he done?
Chris,
Chicago, IL
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
He invented Post-Its.
17 January 2007
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cutny (Anonymous) says…
I think the more candidates we have to choose from, the stronger the Democratic Party will be. Nothing could be as bad as what we have now. I don't understand all of this “no experience” BS either. Bush has/had no experience in “world” politics either, and Guiliani has even less. But for the fact that he's an opportunist of the worst grade, living off of his “America's Mayor” tag, he wouldn't even be up for consideration.
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
Actually, I like his being in the running. I think he has a real shot at being our next President, especially since he likely would face the 145 year old McCain. Though not as experienced as others, Obama has always opposed the Iraq war, is interested in stopping the corruption so rampant in Congress, as demonstrated by Jack Abramoff, and has pushed for more money to battle the wide spread use of meth. All good things so far.
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
beatrice = Romy?
17 January 2007
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betti81 (Anonymous) says…
i am so excited for Sen. Obama to be testing the waters. i am half way through his first book and half way through his second one. his first book, well the writing is hard for me to get through, but the concepts and stories are fascinating. the second one is so far so good. he comes across as humble and observant. as far as the leadership question from above, check out his book. people like to follow him because he listens to them. listening is a great skill in a leader.
(i'm not trying to peddle his book, but it is an easy way to gain some knowledge into who he is…especially the first one, written before all the media attention on him)
my two cents-
betti
17 January 2007
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Azure_Attitude (Anonymous) says…
The grandparents who raised him are from Winfield, KS. Dudes got Jayhawk blood. I'd vote for him, no question.
Guiliani? He moved his mistress in to the mayor's residence before he was divorced and his wife wasn't even out yet! How tacky and classless can you be? So much for his decision making ability.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
Bea, I think what you're saying is that he's a good candidate because you agree with him. Am I reading your post right? (Note: this is not a criticism; it is an honest question. Just so you know.)
17 January 2007
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Solomon (Anonymous) says…
He's more suited for a slot on “American Idol.”
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
sgt, would I think someone a good candidate who stood for all the things to which I am opposed?
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
No, bea; you just differed from the rest of the posts. You didn't seem too interested in his previous accomplishments as a measure of his suitability for such office; you examined his public positions and declared him good.
To be honest, it was kind of refreshing.
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
Barack Obama…
Atheist Kansan mother.
Radical muslim step father.
Jakarta, Indonesia from 6 years old to 10 years old.
Raised by grandparents.
Inhaled, snorted.
1st real job with an international advisory firm (BI).
Director of non-profit project.
Law school
Corporate lawyer.
Civil rights lawyer.
Christian awakening.
Illinois Senator.
U.S. Senator.
Every thing to everyone.
Call me a skeptic, call me a conspiracist.
I say groomed for 45 years.
How can you not like ice cream? - Thats just un-American.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
Also, I think he would have made a much better American Idol than that last guy who won. I don't watch the show, but I saw him perform at halftime of a bowl game, and wow, he was really, really boring. And to me he seemed pretty average.
Hey, you know, running for political office isn't that much different from competing in American Idol…
17 January 2007
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Sigmund (Anonymous) says…
Barack Hussain Obama is the flavor of the month and without any concrete platform or accomplishments. He will do great in the Democratic primaries!
17 January 2007
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Unix_Admin (Anonymous) says…
Just curious - Anybody else find those two women that sit behind the TV announcers during the Jayhawk home B-Ball games as annoying as I do? Slightly off subject, but perhaps a little more interesting. :-)
17 January 2007
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topekahawk (Anonymous) says…
I think the most important quality we can have in a President is that he is attractive and well spoken. Plus it is VERY important that Oprah like the candidate.
17 January 2007
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Bladerunner (Anonymous) says…
Politically, Obama has an unimpressive track record. I hope the dems pick him to run for president. He should be easy to defeat.
17 January 2007
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…
I figure he can handle a cigar even better than Clinton. Bill, that is.
17 January 2007
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ms_canada (Anonymous) says…
Holy Moly - can I vote? Having heard Mr. Obama speak a number of times and having read a bit about him, I would not hesitate to endorse him.
He is refreshing and appears to have presence of mind. Sure he is young and inexperienced, but there is still time before '08.
Have you not had enough of the golden oldies like John McCain. I do like Mr. McCain but don't you think it is time for a change? A whole new prespective is needed on the world scene, I believe. I think Mr. Obama has the youth and energy to learn all he can about governance and I believe he would do just that and try to do an excellent job of it.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
I've seen McCain listed a couple times. He doesn't have a chance. His time came and went. If by chance he did win the nomination it'd be akin to when the Republicans sent Bob Dole to slaughter.
17 January 2007
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Azure_Attitude (Anonymous) says…
I wish you could vote, too, Ms_C!!
I find it ironic that those who support a man that has done virtually nothing for America, and had done nothing but ruin everything he was in charge of prior to his preseidence, have the nerve say, “Obama hasn't done anyting.” Like it wasn't a problem before, but it is now. Flip, flop, flip, flop … .
At least Obmama can speak intellignetly … . and think circles around Dub.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
POI, in that grandly sickening tradition of combining celebrity couples' names, I think that would make Oprama. Or Obrah.
Also, on an unrelated topic, I would like to thank you all for sending the ice storm our way. It made for nice pictures yesterday.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
“At least Obmama can speak intellignetly”
I nominate that for the Irony Award, sponsored by Kenmore.
17 January 2007
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lunacydetector (Anonymous) says…
i thought he was living in a cave somewhere between the pakistan/afghanistan border.
i think he is a good candidate for the weirdos of society, especially since he wears lipstick, but he'll never win. the national press sure likes him though….they love him for some reason. i've heard a few of his speeches and he sounds like a typical hate filled liberal.
17 January 2007
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
Posted by topekahawk (anonymous) on January 17, 2007 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think the most important quality we can have in a President is that he is attractive and well spoken. Plus it is VERY important that Oprah like the candidate.
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Although Oprah's endorsement would carry very little weight, I would put more consideration in her endorsement than one by Rush Limbaugh.
17 January 2007
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Azure_Attitude (Anonymous) says…
LOL! C'mon, sarge, g'me a break. I'm multi-tasking.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
Big Al … I sort of kind of disagree… Oprah has the middle-aged white woman demographic in her hip pocket. If she can get these women to buy barely readable books and watch Dr. Phil, then anything is possible.
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
Obscurity to potential Presidential candidate…
It's just too orchestrated and programmed.
Who is the puppet master?
17 January 2007
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Gootsie (Anonymous) says…
SGT - awesome! I don't understand the Kenmore part though.
And I am NOT an Oprah fan, so that won't help me. I guess we just need to be sure Obama doesn't grow facial hair (as in 24). He won't win.
17 January 2007
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jrlii (Anonymous) says…
You know, I haven't seen people reacting to a politician like they have been to B.O. since Bobby Kennedy.
Unfortunately, the senate is a good base to get a major party nomination, but a very poor base to actually get elected: Only TWO senators won their elections in the entire twentieth century: Kennedy and Harding. Neither compiled a particularly good record. (Most of the stuff Kennedy gets credit for was going nowhere 'till Johnson became president and rammed it through.) Neither lived to complete their term either.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
jrliii - Are you saying that Obama will die in office if elected? Yikes.
17 January 2007
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…
Oprah endorses him for one simple (and utterly wrong) reason: he has color in his skin.
Personally, after listening to him on TV again last night, he sounds exactly like The Rock (Dwayne Johnson, the wrestler). He even has the same skin tone and kind of looks like him in a way I can't put my finger on. Has anyone seen Dwayne lately. Did he lose some weight and have plastic surgery so he could run for office? Plus, Oprah loves Dwayne too.
Can you smell what the Rock is cooking!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
I think Oprah endorsed him just because Hillary was the other option. You think Oprah is going to endorse someone who eats babies and has evil superpowers? Oprah has standards.
For some good chuckles on ignorance… http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/jan…
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
T_O_B,
“Are you saying that Obama will die in office if elected? Yikes.”
He will shake off the programming and brainwashing, attempt to be his “own man”.
The puppet master will take him out.
I can see your beginning to see the light.
17 January 2007
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…
TOB-
That was some good chuckles…
I know Oprah has some stanrdards:
#1 - Individual must be a minority (preferably black) who is willing to kiss her butt and be a “yes” man for her;
#2 - Refer back to standard #1
17 January 2007
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salad (Anonymous) says…
GO-bama!!!
17 January 2007
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salad (Anonymous) says…
GO-bama!!!
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
A_A, you can continue to multitask all you want. Seriously. That was amazing. Far better than intentional humor!
Gootsie, Kenmore is a brand of appliances; their product line features an iron (irony/iron … I know, it's a stretch). I was struggling to come up with a brand name to use, and I thought of Sears, and then thought of Kenmore.
17 January 2007
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ms_canada (Anonymous) says…
Although I would love to see him elected, I just have doubts. I don't think the US is ready for a president of colour. But it is a start for him to become better known and then we will see what the future brings. The thing that scares me is that if the Dems put him on the ballot and he loses, what the heck will the Repubs put in office.
Time will tell. These next couple of years should prove verrrrry interrrresting, no?
About yesterdays question, if ID cards are not required at election time, maybe I could sneak in a vote.
What do you think Azure Attitude?
Just an aside on the difference in your country and mine. when we have a government that screws up, we don't have to wait 4 or 3 or 2 years to oust them. I like that about our system. We chucked our liberals out after 18 months of scandal.
17 January 2007
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mmv (Anonymous) says…
Finally I get some support on the annoying fans behind the announcers at the KU games! The lady with the blonde bob-cut is the worst. Each week, she brings a different group of friends and they all wave and make faces at the camera. They make everyone from Kansas look like idiots! Do you see this happening at any other arena??? NO! Maybe the administration could be more selective about who they let sit there???? please???? Spare us all.
17 January 2007
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Marion (Marion Lynn) says…
“Young Obama”
(To the tune of the Doobies “Old Black Water)
Ahem…….
Well, I built be campaign and it's ready for goin'
Oh, US voters, start lookin and me!
Polls, they climbin'The spin doctors whirlin'…
Young Obamba.
Keep on strokin'
Never let'em think the tax'll get'em
Young Obama.
Keep on stokin'
The long failed fires of Marx and lenin,
Keep on shinin' that light
Make'em think everything.
Everything's gonna be all right
Say that they ain't got no worries
Say they ain't got no worries at all………….
Keep on shinin' that smile……
As you lie all the while……………..
If Hilary runs, I don't care
Don't make no difference to me!
I got that hard money rollin' in!
Yeah, I like to hear that money clinkin' in!
Teddy, come and take me by the had!
By the hand, take me by the Liberal hand, Fat Teddy
Come as speak for me 'round the land!
You gotta speak for your front man all day long!
Ya gotta speak, ya gotta speak, ya gotta speak..
Ya gotta speak Fat Teddy all day long!
17 January 2007
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Gootsie (Anonymous) says…
MMV–
yes yes yes yes!!! They look ridiculous!!! I wish they would stop it because they look so ding-danged silly. It's one thing to have spirit, but another to act like a bunch of kindergarteners. Anyone know who they are??? I'm not sure where you said you got your support - can you show me? You sure as heck have mine. I want to know who else noticed it.
Sgt, yep, a little stretch. But it's no surprise that I didn't think of an iron. My kids were in grade school when they first saw one and asked what it was..
17 January 2007
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ashuck33 (Anonymous) says…
You have my support, too. See post at 9:21a by Unix_Admin. I think they are annoying. Not to take away from the Obama support, but come on! We have to deal with current issues………he has 2 more years of campaigning.
17 January 2007
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shirinisb (Anonymous) says…
Marion-
I've never seen you post anything worth reading.
Now that I got that out.
My vote is for Obama!!!!
17 January 2007
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kubacker (Anonymous) says…
He has a relaxed style of speech and probably has average intelligence.
However:
I'll bet $100 he didn't graduate anywhere near the top of his class, and I don't want another “C+” president.
He is completely lacking in executive or administrative experience. I don't want anyone as the chief executive of the United States who has “0” experience in directing the operations and personnel of any organization!
He has “0” international experience, and I don't want another president whose only knowledge of the world and international relations is gotton from non-elected advisors (e.g. Neocons)!
The list could go on and on. To make a long story short Obama is all hat and no cattle! This is a very complicated and dangerous world and our country needs a hell of a lot more wisdom and experience in a president than Obama has to offer!
17 January 2007
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shirinisb (Anonymous) says…
People should read up on a person before they insult them or claim they did/didn't achieve something.
I could sit here and post a defense for Obama all day but generally people who have biased opinions aren't going to listen to logic anyway, so I wont bother.
17 January 2007
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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…
“Do things REALLY change depending on who's president?”
Yes— we wouldn't be in Iraq today wasting thousands of lives and $billions if Dubya hadn't been handed the job on a platter.
“He has a relaxed style of speech and probably has average intelligence.”
Your conjecture is no more useful than the conjecture that he will make a good president.
We need to know more before he becomes president.
17 January 2007
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Bone777 (Anonymous) says…
Hillary, Ohhh Hillary…..
Obama, Ohhhh Obama…….
Hillary was excited until someone “of color” stepped into the ring.
Now Obama is getting excited, until someone with a domestic partner steps up and takes the spot-light.
And who do they all fear 'The Triple Threat'…..
Gay, colored, female. Go democrats! I love diversity too.
17 January 2007
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Kontum1972 (Anonymous) says…
the current prez is an idiot…make believe cowboy…he wasnt born in TEXAS!….friggin tourist!
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
For someone who apparently has no experience and no proven track record, the hate being flung from the always hateful right is rather telling.
I love the smell of fear in the morning!
17 January 2007
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…
Posted by Bone777 (anonymous) on January 17, 2007 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hillary, Ohhh Hillary…..
Obama, Ohhhh Obama…….
Hillary was excited until someone “of color” stepped into the ring.
Now Obama is getting excited, until someone with a domestic partner steps up and takes the spot-light.
And who do they all fear 'The Triple Threat'…..
Gay, colored, female. Go democrats! I love diversity too.
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Go Oprah!!!
17 January 2007
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…
Posted by shirinisb (anonymous) on January 17, 2007 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
People should read up on a person before they insult them or claim they did/didn't achieve something.
I could sit here and post a defense for Obama all day but generally people who have biased opinions aren't going to listen to logic anyway, so I wont bother.
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It's in the public's best interest to share your information with others if you know or believe people are mis-informed. By staying quiet you only lend a hand to the dissemination of only biased opinions. You allow only those biased opinions to be voiced and not your educated opinion. Who does that help?
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Bone777 (Anonymous) says…
i_have_only_valid_opinions -
She does seem to be closer to “Gail” than she is to “Stedman”.
Oprah, Ohhhhhh Oprah.
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gusharber (Anonymous) says…
A completely propped up candidate with no qualifications for the office…none.
I guess compared to total losers like John Kerry and Al Gore the inventor of the Internet, the Dems think he'll shine.
To think that Al almost got in should make us wary of a vote for Obama.
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
I wonder, why didn't people make a point in talking about Bush being White back when he was running?
17 January 2007
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Bone777 (Anonymous) says…
I liked Howard Dean. I saw nothing wrong with a guy who got excited and did a little “aaaaaarrrrrr raaahhhhhh!!!!”. when he lost a primary. He got crucified for his 'lack of control' and 'not acting very presidential'.
Do you have to be a 'good loser' to get ahead in this country.
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Father_Guido_Sarducci (Anonymous) says…
Is this man a member of the Catholic faith, I wonder?
The name “Obama” doesn't sound Italian to me. Or Irish.
Or Polish even!
Well, that's okay, I'm sure he's a nice man no matter what his religious persuasion is!
17 January 2007
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deec (Anonymous) says…
Nope, you just have to be the decider.
Oh, and friends in high places helps, too.
17 January 2007
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gusharber (Anonymous) says…
I think Gus is right on the money when he says Obama only looks good compared to losers like Al Gore and John Kerry and a vote for him is a vote for a candidate with NO qualifications…none as Gus says.
Where do they go to dredge up such politicians ? Selig
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
kubacker:
>I'll bet $100 he didn't graduate anywhere near the top of his class, and I don't want another “C+” president.
WTF? Here's the CV for the US Senator: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/o…
To put it simply: He graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School for goodness sake! He was President of the Harvard Law Review (the first black elected to that position) and was a Senior Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago. He's written several books (not ghost-“written”, but written), one of which won the 2006 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album, and you're calling him a C+ mediocre idiot!?!
Granted he's not done that much on a national level in the US Senate, but at least he's not a slimy insider! I think we'll find out more about him if he actually goes into the primaries, but he's certainly got enough intelligence to become President.
BTW, where's my $100 bucks?
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
You are all crazy.
I'm hopping on the Sharpton/Kucinich '08 train to Crazyville. Or the Brownback/Bauer '08 muletrain to 1952. The differences between the mainstream candidates will be negligible at best.
17 January 2007
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bevy (Anonymous) says…
The biggest issue I see with our government is that the majority of people in Congress are lawyers. Definitely NOT representative of the general population. There are good lawyers out there, I'm sure. I just haven't met one yet…
Personally, I don't care if the candidate is black, white, green, yellow or magenta. I'm looking forward to the day (if I live to see it) where a person's skin tone is never mentioned! It is irrelevant!
Let's try this: Someone with common sense, who is not in the pocket of special interests, can represent our country without embarrasing us all, and who is a good LEADER who can work with all parties.
Also, those who blame the president for everything wrong with our country don't understand how the government works. Yes, he is the CIC and this war is largely his mess, but there are many other issues where the blame lies squarely with Congress.
17 January 2007
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mr_daniels (Anonymous) says…
So unqualified is this current batch of Dems for the highest office and responsibility during this time of war, that if there is another devastating attack that we will all be put under *marshall law* and our freedoms that we take for granted will become limited and even taken away. No quals…not fit to lead.
17 January 2007
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thisiknow (Anonymous) says…
It's way to early to make up my mind. I like the charisma that Obama has but I do not trust the media. I'll wait for the debates among the candidates before I make up my own mind.
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
WTF? First it's “martial law” and secondly, the current Bush administration has done more to restrict our freedoms than any president before (Democratic, Republican, Whig, whatever). So all they've got to do is rollback the stupid totalitarian crap the current administration has put in place and it'll already be an improvement.
And why do you think Hillary Clinton is unqualified? Why is Barack Obama unqualified? Why is John Edwards unqualified? They are all as qualified or more qualified than the previous 2 or 3 presidents we've had, that's for sure. You've got to back this stuff up or stop hyperventaliting over whatever mixed up stuff is going on in your head!
17 January 2007
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kubacker (Anonymous) says…
Reply to shirinisb:
I didn't insult Obama. I just stated the cold hard facts. You don't need to make a long and convoluted logical defense for him, just briefly list any facts that refute what I've said - 1, 2, 3, etc.
By the way, I don't care that he was the editor of Law Review. Its an elected position and you get it via politics and by kissing your professor's butts! Been there - done that!
His promoters never say a word about his grades or class ranking in college or law school, but since you know all his “accomplishments” why don't you enlighten us?
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
kubacker:
You said Obama was a C+ student and he graduated Magna Cum Laude from one of the most prestigious Universities in the World! He's written at least 2 more books than the current president, and he won a freakin Grammy for one of them! He's not a mediocre idiot as you made him out to be.
So where's my $100 bucks?
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
MyName,
He did vote to renew the “Patriot” Act, and a few other freedom restricting pieces of legislation.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
He won a Grammy for writing a book? I know the Grammys are about as significant as a pimple on Bea's rear end, but is popular music that bad nowadays that they are giving music awards to books? I have obviously misunderstooded something here.
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
Sen. Obama didn't propose the legislation or work to revoke Habeus Corpus. He didn't start all of the domestic wiretapping or create an offshore dungeon to put people away for life without even a fair trial. He also has been against the Iraq War since the very beginning. I could continue, but this is about the Senator's candidacy for President, not the current administration's shortcomings.
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
kubacker: “By the way, I don't care that he was the editor of Law Review. Its an elected position and you get it via politics and by kissing your professor's butts! Been there - done that! … His promoters never say a word about his grades or class ranking in college or law school, but since you know all his “accomplishments” why don't you enlighten us?”
You were told “he graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School.” Since you have “been there,” I'm surprised you don't know that Harvard Law, one of the most difficult and competitive schools in the country, grants the top 10% of graduating students with the honor of “magna cum laude.” Just to clarify, top 10% requires really good grades. Is that good enough for you, or will you need a copy of his transcripts?
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
Yeah, you have misunderstood T_O_B, or maybe I just left out some relevant information. First they give Grammy's out for pretty much anything that comes on a CD or tape or record, so it has alot more catagories than say the Oscars. His grammy was for “Best Spoken Word Album” so he won the award for writing the book and narrating it on CD. He beat out Garrison Keillor, Al Franken, Sean Penn, and George Carlin for the award that year.
I'm not saying it's his most important achievement, but I bring it up just to point out the fact that he didn't write “My Dog Skip” or “How I Invented the Internet” or something, but he actually wrote a book that was good enough to be a best seller and garner critical acclaim. Which lends credence to the fact that he's not a mediocre idiot.
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
TOB, I was equally confused. I'm glad you said something.
Although this does begin to explain the Pulitzer they gave to 50 Cent.
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
“…a book that was good enough to be a best seller and garner critical acclaim. Which lends credence to the fact that he's not a mediocre idiot.”
In all fairness, high sales numbers, critical acclaim and an industry award really just make you popular. Which is a perfect credential for a politician.
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bevy (Anonymous) says…
Wolverine - you kill me!
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
sgtwolverine:
LOL, you're right it's not like mediocre idiots can't win Grammys (or become President), but it's not like it's his only accomplishment, or even his most important one (see previous posts).
Besides, other than Al Franken, I'd say he beat out some pretty smart people that year. So it must say something about the quality of his book.
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kubacker (Anonymous) says…
Reply to MyName:
OK - you've showed me he did do well in school - that's a good start!
I'm sure you did well in school too, but that alone doesn't qualify you to be the leader of the free world!
So, tell me where I'm wrong about his complete lack of relevant executive and international experience!
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
He beat out George Carlin?!? I demand a recount!
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
Here is my real issue with Senator Obama as candidate.
He is just too squeaky clean/All-American.
Ricky Nelson (before the drugs & music), of The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet .
I do sort of like him as a candidate, but do have issues with some of his positions. http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Bar…
Civil Rights - O.K.
Crime - Need to be more stern.
Free Trade - asi, asi.
Gun Control, whoa buddy, quick, do a 180.
Senator Obama, please take a few more steps to the right.
I do however, have this trepidatious feeling. (exclusive of issue differences)
A slightly unrealistic picture is being fostered…
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And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude. And they did all eat, and were filled: and they took up of the fragments that remained twelve baskets full. And they that had eaten were about five thousand men, beside women and children. And straightway Jesus constrained his disciples to get into a ship, and to go before him unto the other side, while he sent the multitudes away. And when he had sent the multitudes away, he went up into a mountain apart to pray: and when the evening was come, he was there alone.
But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
(Matthew 14: 19-25)
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
Point to Wolverine.
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
That's not as good as $100 bucks, but I'll take it.
He's the Junior Senator from Illinois, so Barack Obama isn't going to be the most experience candidate out there (Democratic or Republican).
With regards to International experience, he's served 2 years on the Senate foreign relations committee (It'll be 4 years by the next election). Which means he's travled worldwide looking after US interests and has dealt with US international politics on as close a level as you can get outside of the State department. This certainly compares favorably to being the Governor of Arkansas, California, or Texas, though less favorably than Bush 41 who came from the CIA. It still makes him fairly well qualified.
He's not served in the executive branch, which puts him at a disadvantage compared to some presidents who have been former governors, but he's still no better or worse than any of the other front runners from the Senate (Democrat or Republican). This is the main reason why voters rarely elect Senators in general, but that doesn't mean that he is unable to be a good executive, or that he won't be able to recruit people who know about the executive to his Administration (should he become president). Anyways, he's not perfect, but he's definitely qualified for the job of President.
17 January 2007
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
The smear campaign has already started. I just received two emails concerning Obama and according to Snopes, both of them are false.
The far right is already at it.
17 January 2007
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MyName (Anonymous) says…
Yeah, but the difference is all of the stuff coming out of the left side is true! ;-)
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
i_p, you know the parties take turns creating torrents of vituperation. It's the unwritten agreement.
17 January 2007
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
I admit it, I just had to look up “vituperation”.. Great word. It reads exactly like how the republicans treated Bill Clinton for 8 years. The only thing is, it doesn't describe the millions of taxpayer dollars that they wasted while doing it.
17 January 2007
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
I hate all of this negativity! We are in for a long 2 years if this board is an example of what is to come.
By the way, does anyone know if McCain really does worship Satan?
17 January 2007
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mmv (Anonymous) says…
Bildabergers! All of them!
17 January 2007
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BigAl (Anonymous) says…
…..dress as owls….??????
LMAO
17 January 2007
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sgtwolverine (Anonymous) says…
Actually, bea, I think McCain actually worships Stan. He's more of a mid-major supernatural figure. Like the WAC or the MAC in college football.
But he is often mistaken for Satan.
17 January 2007
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The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says…
I guess I was wrong. I thought Mr. Barak's smoking would hurt him. According to this site maybe not…
http://www.slate.com/id/2157523/nav/t…
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
sgt,
Is the Canadian Pillow Fight League going to franchise an expansion league in the U.S., rather than just exhibition events?
17 January 2007
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i_have_only_valid_opinions (Anonymous) says…
Posted by beatrice (anonymous) on January 17, 2007 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I hate all of this negativity! We are in for a long 2 years if this board is an example of what is to come.
By the way, does anyone know if McCain really does worship Satan?
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That rumor just started when someone saw him eating raw goat meat, but he's not a satanist.
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
Maybe he would do better as a vice presidential running mate for: http://www.ksgovernor.com/images/Phot…
17 January 2007
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bennyoates (Anonymous) says…
The inexperience factor didn't keep Ross Perot from being on the same stage with Clinton and Bush I in 1992 during the debates. Hell, he'd never stood for election for anything in his life and I knew plenty of people who had absolute faith in him. Perot got a considerable share of votes that year because people saw potential in him.
Obama not only has potential, he has substance and intelligence. His campaign will motivate many, many people who have become disillusioned with politics.
And, it'll really, really continue to annoy the Obama-hating scumbags on this forum. Gotta love that!! I'm sending in my donation to the exploratory committee right after I sign off here.
obama/edwards '08!!!!
(Not the other way around!)
17 January 2007
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bennyoates (Anonymous) says…
Hate is one motivating factor in some of these putdowns of Obama, and you know it. Fear is another.
17 January 2007
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H_Lecter (Anonymous) says…
R_I,
That's hot!
17 January 2007
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meggers (Anonymous) says…
Barack Obama has the ability to reframe the converstation in this nation. The poisonous air in DC has permeated both our attitudes and our culture. One needn't go further than this forum to recognize that.
Obama is extremely well-educated, a civil rights attorney and activist, a constitutional scholar, was president of the Harvard Law Review, and was an Illinois state senator for 7 years before being elected to the US Senate.
There is a plethora of information out there about what he has accomplished in elected office, as well as where he stands on specific issues. If you're interested, this might be a good place to start:
http://obama.senate.gov/issues/
Our nation needs a leader like Barack Obama now more than ever.
17 January 2007
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faceit (Anonymous) says…
ms_c, For some reason, when I read your political opinions, I am reminded of the story by Eward Everett Hale, The Man Without a Country.
I think is is because you had a choice of US citizenship, but chose to live in Canada, but you still want to share your opinions about the US. I'm glad you're happy in Canada.
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meggers (Anonymous) says…
Pssst…bennyoates…it's Obama/Clark '08.
And definitely not the other way around :)
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Ceallach (Anonymous) says…
Obama bama fofama banana mana fofama fe fi fo fama Obama!
Cute kid, slick talker, it's going to be fun to watch. At this point I wouldn't consider voting for him. Any potential he may have in the future would be sacrificed in a premature inauguration.
17 January 2007
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RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Anonymous) says…
H,
You got to love Governor Sebelius wearing realtree camo.
Wonder if I can get a signed copy…
Nice tom too..
Unit 2 always produces.
17 January 2007
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Ceallach (Anonymous) says…
Indeed!
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beatrice (Anonymous) says…
rt, does the back of the t-shirt read “Party of One” ?
17 January 2007
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kg52 (Anonymous) says…
So far I like what I see but will keep my eyes wide open should someone better come along. Born and raised a Democrat, have voted Republican several times and once even for an Independent (eek!). My Daddy is rolling over in his grave on that one but oh well. Seriously I voted for Bush (eek again - sorry Daddy), mostly on his response to 9/11 but then there was Katrina and Iraq. We need someone with new ideas and ideals. I'm not anti-war, just pro-life when it comes to our fighting men and women, and for that matter men, women and children in general.
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H_Lecter (Anonymous) says…
R_I,
There's definitely something about camo and you have to appreciate a woman who knows how to put the meat on the table…our gobbling gov.