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Should a House committee consider a bill that would pre-empt Lawrence from adopting a domestic partner registry?
Asked at Borders, 700 N.H. on February 16, 2007
“I’m all for the domestic partner registry, but I understand their concern that the city would undermine the policies of the state.”
“Absolutely not. First of all, it’s none of their business, and I think it’s mean-spirited not to allow the law to develop. I can’t see any legitimate reason for the state to get involved.”
“I don’t think so, because I’m in favor of there being a registry here. I think people are entitled to the rights it would provide.”
“They should consider it only because it’s bound to become a statewide issue eventually. I think in the end it should be decided by the state and not by individual cities.”
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jonas (anonymous) says…
James has a pretty good answer. Mine is that the push against is just as big of a waste of our politico's time as the original registry was in the first place. I'm all for a show of solidarity with the gay community, but if the govt. gets involved it should produce something of value.
I know, I know, govt./produce something of value is kind of a paradox. I can hope, can't I?
Azure_Attitude (anonymous) says…
Elvis H. Presely! Stop the hate! Live and let live!!!
meadowbreeze (anonymous) says…
Interesting that when people wish to expand rights to include everyone (not just a privileged group) that there is this uproar. I would ask anyone on the streets if they would be ambivalent or opposed if a company/local government were giving someone health insurance that the state failed to provide? Why have local governments if they can't have local law? Why question the right of other people to live their own lives, especially when it is none-of-your-business?
meadowbreeze (anonymous) says…
So Jonas ... does value = marriage? If so, fine by me. But are we allowed to say that in Kansas?
busymom (anonymous) says…
I believe since the ban on same sex marraige is based on religion, that lawrence should recognize and let these people have the rights they are supposed to have anyway. In fact I think the ban in all states it's in should be overturned as it is unconstitutional ie freedom of religion.
jonas (anonymous) says…
I don't know if marriage should be the end goal. I don't believe that is a reachable one, at this time. To be totally honest, I am of the opinion that the time in which the homosexual community might have aquired some rights to union is passed for the time being. I think there was a chance, before the '04 election, at snagging civil unions as a consolation prize, and then building off that when the world and society did not collapse around our ears as some believe that it would. With the push towards full marriage and full equality, the return push was too hard, and now it's not really very likely. As harsh as it sounds, I think that it's time for the homosexual community to table the issue, or adapt it to make it specifically about property and decision rights.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
If I were gay and wanted to get married, I'd be mad as hell about a "domestic partner registry." All it is some 1/4 ass compromise that will not mean a thing. It sounds like it is nothing different than getting your pit bull or boat registered.
Topside (anonymous) says…
Don't people read the Xmen comics. The registry is bad. They just want to round you up do experiments and exploit your superpowers of style and design.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
"superpowers of style and design" -- great one, Topside!
This is just more of the typical hate coming from the hard right. Those folks won't be happy until everyone conforms to their extremist, fundamentalist standards and becomes as miserable as they are. Ugh.
commonsense (anonymous) says…
The government is wasting time and money on this issue. I wish people could live their lives without government interference (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). How many hours are being burned on this issue. The government's job is to deal with the general public (housing, security, economy, etc.). Didn't we learn anything during the civil rights movement.
cutny (anonymous) says…
Well, Kansas hasn't been the national laughingstock for...what, about 8 months now? Maybe the legislators missed the attention. Politicizing discrimination is just another waste of their time and our money.
blue73harley (anonymous) says…
Yep. Live and let live.
TGIF!
blue73harley (anonymous) says…
BTW...that was a "yep" to commonsense and cutny, not to the OTS question.
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
I hope everyone has a balanced breakfast in the company of his/her same/different/indeterminate sexed partner.
RonBurgandy (anonymous) says…
Das - haven't you ever seen these guys before?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tv...
In answer to the question...I don't think so.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Yeah!!! All is right on the BIG!OTS once again.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Ron wins.
Azure_Attitude (anonymous) says…
"People fear what they don't understand."
Professor "X"
When TudeDude was about 9 years old, Mississippi Burning was showing on Network TV. He saw the church burning he had an awful look on his face. I said, "the church was burned just because black people worshipped there and the white people were trying to control them." So then he popped off with the above quote. I thought to myself, "wow, they are teaching some really good stuff in school these days!" I asked him if he learned that in school and he says, "No, X-Men!!" What an awesome thing to learn from a comic book series!
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Perhaps the only answer to many of our political problems in Lawrence is secession. Lawrence doesn't like Kansas, Kansas doesn't like Lawrence, we just oughta split the blanket and be done with it.
Bobby, did you catch the Friedman interview on FoxNews this morning? I just love that guy, particularly fond of his solution for securing the border roflol!!!
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
It's high time for Lawrence to secede from the miserable, jerkwater, uberconservative state of Kansas. Perhaps Lawrence could become a satellite city of Wisconsin, Oregon, Illinois, or another blue state.
Lawrence might still be more progressive and socially accepting than its new state, but if L'ville picks a state that isn't chockful of fundies and homophobes, the city is more likely to be allowed to do its own thing without intervention from Big Brethren.
James has a good point--or would have if he lived in a less lockstep-conservative state--but I think he underestimates how many centuries it will take for this matter to become "a statewide issue" here.
I'll take his supposition one further and say it should become, not a statewide, but a nationwide, issue--preferably at such time when the Supreme Court isn't packed with Scalias & Thomases--but for people who are looking for social and legal justice now, progressive cities like Lawrence may be their best hope--unless the state is allowed to undermine the city's efforts.
sgtwolverine (anonymous) says…
I want a domestic Klondike bar registry.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Lawrence hates KS/ KS hates Lawrence is just not true. One crackpot politician introduces a crackpot idea and all of the sudden he speaks for the whole state? I understand there are political/social/cultural differences amongst the two. Can we just say that Lawrence is the independent and wild and slightly crazy sibling?
I was living in SW KS back during secession talk because the state was not helping secure water rights that Colorado had stolen. A couple other reasons as well. They looked like fools because instead of addressing the problem, they wanted to run and hide and avoid dialogue. Not everyone gets what they want. Grown folks know how to deal with it though.
Hugs and Kisses
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Answering today's question:
No, unless they also consider a bill that pre-empts Lawrence from proclaiming such things as International Dadaism Month.
The underlying issue:
"Domestic Partner Registry"
Domestic Partner Registry, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
What does this registry accomplish?... Zip
It is in essence a public record allowing the Phelps clan to picket on the sidewalk in front of your abode.
From the related article: "This isn't a game," Taylor said. She said the registry also would help gay and lesbian couples to be with their partners if they are hospitalized.
Your partner is transported to St. Francis in Topeka...
"This ain't Lawrence. Get out"
You move to Wichita. "But we are a 'Registered Domestic Partnership' in Lawrence"... "So?... This ain't Lawrence"
You move to North Dakota... But we are a
"Registered Domestic Partnership" in Lawrence, KS"... "So?... Have fun in the North Dakota State Penitentiary"
Form 1040 has no "Registered Domestic Partnership" filing status.
This is a National issue, not a State issue, No way a Local issue.
Bone777 (anonymous) says…
Umbrellas- home rules>cities>counties>states>country
You have to operate under the laws of you umbrella.
No city is an island.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Bone,
I like the figurative Donne(ism).
But you a literally incorrect.
How do you explain the city of Bainbridge Island, WA.?
(not intending to be a bully, or even give you a "cyber-wedgie")
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
R_I -
It's been sometime since I've been to the great NW, but isn't Bainbridge Island merely a city on an island as opposed to island as city?
acg (anonymous) says…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxc...
This is the funniest thing I've ever seen and totally on topic today. :) You guys enjoy. I know I laughed til I was in pain.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
TOB, I refrained from using "hate" because that is too strong. However, I still believe the majority of Lawrencians would rather not be associated with the values (traditional, conservative, right wing, whatever) they associate with the State of Kansas. [A good percent relate more to the east and/or west coasts -- if not to European political philosophies.]
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
T_O_B,
The City Bainbridge Island is the whole island. The City annexed the whole island sometime back.
So the island Ipso facto is the city.
Centrist (anonymous) says…
acg ... that is a good one!
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
R_I - Ahhh, annexation! Just like Johnson County.
Ceal - Having lived 1/2 my life in rural KS and most of the other 1/2 in Lawrence I'd just say that people that hold that point of view tend to be the same that don't ever venture more than 1 mile off I-70 or the Turnpike assuming they even get out of Lawrence. On the flip side, folks that dislike Lawrence have never been here and thus have terrible assumptions about the gheys and freaks and hippies and loose women with questionable morals.
Basically, it's my tired old 5% argument... there are very small minority that hold extreme views on each side and are very loud and bombastic. Unfortunately, the other 50% too often falls into the trap that the 5% speaks for the other 45%. And you think I could explain my tired old argument better. Ye gods.
I've rarely met a person from outside of Lawrence that does not want to come back to visit. However, I know and from reading the BIG! OTS for the past few years, many many Lawrencians that hate Lawrence.
It's Friday. I don't mean to be contrite with you. You think I would be in a great mood knowing our superhero from the People's Republic walks with us again.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
T_O_B,
Just seeking clarification:
"it's Friday. I don't mean to be contrite with you."
So you are feeling feeling regret, sorrow, and are seeking atonement for once again bringing up "that gene" issue with Ceal....
"Ceal- On the flip side, folks that dislike Lawrence have never been here and thus have terrible assumptions about the loose women with questionable morals."
But you do not want to feel that way?
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
R_I - That was thrown in specifically for Sunny Sue.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Is he as lovable as a teddy bear or what? You've lived both places, I have never lived in western or southern Kansas, (I doubt that Texas counts :), I've probably just spent too much of my life on Mount Olympus :):) Besides, if we agreed on everything, one of us would be unnecessary :\
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
RI, so you think TOB mentioned "loose women with questionable morals" as a negative? I assumed that was a positive . . . it's the reason many cowboys go to town, but maybe that's not the case for farmers :)
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Welcome Snap_pop! ;) But I have to know...what happened to the crackle?
Registry...why? What great benefits will come from this?
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
On a serious note, all y'all please send your good thoughts and prayers to our ms_canada. Our dear lady is having quite trying health problems. Here's hoping for her quick recovery and return to OTS. We haven't be straightened out for quite a while . . . and she's so much more gentle with us than the LJW staff!!
We love you ms_c!! Get well soon!!!
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
I do Kegels! And I've never questioned a moral. My favorite moral is "the greedy dog gets no bone."
girly (anonymous) says…
If the state already decided against gay marriage, I don't think Lawerence should try to dodge that ruling by setting up a gay registry.
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Yes, get well Ms_C. (And enjoy that morphine while you can!)
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
Crackle was holding up the whole act. He was sent off to sell bran muffins in Lower Slobovia.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Ceal,
No, not my intention.
I was just asking for clarification.
I was just confused about what in his post was making him feel unintentionally contrite.
I just ASSuMEd he was asking for your forgiveness for bringing up the loose women with questionable morals/"that" gene issue with you.
"Is he as lovable as a teddy bear or what?" - Ceal
T_O_B? or who?
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Are you suggesting that if we remove every third rice krispie from our bowls...we will stay regular?
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
ms_c,
My thoughts with you....
(I was thinking of sending you a copy of St. Augustine's "City of God", I took it off the bookshelf the other day and instantly though about you first responding to my Mother's Day comment...:)
Topside (anonymous) says…
Wow Beatrice you are quite the human labelmaker. Since when did I get on the "Hard Right" registry.
Its called a joke you humorless dolt.
If you want to be gay its your buisness.
"Not that there's anything wrong with that."- Seinfeld
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Get well, Ms. C.!
paladin (anonymous) says…
What's a domesticated partner? Is that my cat? Do I need to get her registered? Also, a little off the subject, do I use straight vinegar to clean the coffeemaker or do I dilute it? Lost the instructions. Thanks.
BABBOY (anonymous) says…
I have been in Hawaii on vacation. I still have been checking the posts I like to read or used to like to read. Today, I have to come back to Kansas for more cold winter and back to the same old discussions about evolution, gays, Hispanic workers, abortion, religion, and whether or not English should be the National language. It was interesting the first 100 times but now it is old.
I think I am going back to just reading the sports section because this crap is getting old or find a way to move the hell out of Kansas. 41 years is 41 years to many.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
paladin,
I thought coffee associated articles were to be rinsed,not cleaned. Like unlike beer steins.
But I have heard some use 2.5% by volume acetic acid acid solution.
paladin (anonymous) says…
Woops!
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
(1 part vinegar, 2 part water.)
guppypunkhead (anonymous) says…
I would be sort of reluctant to register anyway...
Didn't Hitler's regime get all the Jews to register before they slaughtered them?
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
RI, originally I meant the superhero but no doubt TOB has a inner teddy bear and is very lovable :)
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
I prefer to think he was contrite about being contrary and quietly let it go at that.
*subliminal message* BOB, are you there?
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Ceal - Si.
paladin (anonymous) says…
I used the straight vinegar already. The place reeks of it. Oh well. Hope I didn't throw off the whole order of Things, like the Universe or something. Corfee might taste funny for awhile. Thanks.
Bone777 (anonymous) says…
R_I - I meant literally "No city is a place that you can make your own rules and disregard the rules of the governing bodies that possibly supercede the said laws of the said city."
It just didn't flow as well.
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
sunflower_sue, your cereal remains unchanged. It is the character of "crackle" that has been eliminated. You may want to take masking tape & cover his image on any boxes of rice krispies you may have. It will be better that way.
paladin (anonymous) says…
I was just wondering if Anna Nicole could make corfee. And if she was registered as a sex offender or whatever. Any you guys happen to know?
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Nothing to do with today's question, but I'm tired of today's question :)
****
Maybe it truly is just one big cosmic game!!
Born February 12, 1809
Abraham Lincoln - dedicated his life to the principle that men were created equal
and
Born February 12, 1809
Charles Darwin - dedicated his life to the principle that man were not created
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
Paladin~ Try this: Squeeze a couple of lemon wedges into the coffee pot, dump in a handful of salt, add several ice cubes, shake & swirl (while shimmying around the kitchen intoning, "Friday, Friday, FriDAY!"), then let the pot sit awhile...maybe 10 min. or so. Continued dancing during this time is optional. Give the pot a final smart swirl, rinse thoroughly, and that baby will sparkle--and smell nice. I learned that working as a waitress long ago and far away.
Ceal~ willya look at that--you and I each posted secession suggestions within a minute of each other. I was mainly kidding (like it would/could really happen) and suspect you were too (?), but it's funny to see how earnestly Bob responded to the idea. Bob--make sure you do something laugh-out-loud fun today.
MsC~ So sorry to hear you are ailing. Hope you're soon 110% again! Wish I could bring you some of my famous home-made chicken noodle soup. It has uncanny healing powers.
Would the parakeet just be using the cardinal as wing candy and dump her as soon as she started getting broody?
I think my dog has serious S&M fantasies about a cute little squirrel who comes to our feeders. Dog is a registered domestic pest, while the squirrel is an unregistered porch alien. Should they harbor any hopes of a shared future?
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Py - only if they continue to reside in Lawrence :)
I had a cat named Pywacket, a magnificent Siamese male, he was much closer to his movie name sake than I was to that cat's owner . . . Kim Novak :):)
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
I am deeply partial to Siamese cats, though I've never named one of them Pywacket--kept that for myself. I've loved that movie since I was a little kid.
As for Kim Novak... I'm sure she regretted to her dying day that she did not resemble you more closely. She did what she could with what she had. ;-)
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
I got into enough trouble with what I had ... heaven only knows what I would have done with such super power equipment!!
Azure_Attitude (anonymous) says…
It comes in pretty handy, Ceal, but I'd almost rather be built like Kim Novak.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Bone,
Thats why I gave you the "I like the figurative Donne(ism)" accolade...:)
From John Donne's "Devotions"
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main."
The same work that inspired the title of Hemmingway's "For Whom The Bell Tolls".
KSChick1 (anonymous) says…
all vinegar...
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
A_A, the cat? Now that is kinky :D
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Never mind.... misread your post
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
Ceal~ True enough (me, too!)~ but wouldn't it be fun to test drive it for about a month? Just for the sheer helluvit?
consumer1 (anonymous) says…
I think we should do a spend 80 grand on a study by an outside agency to determine whether or not non married heterosexuals wish to be lumped, willingly or unwillingly into this fracus. I am not sure the gay community is not just using the heterosexual un-marrieds as a pawn to further their own cause. I personally choose NOT to be used as a pawn to further someone else's agenda.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Py, Ceal, A_A,
You all three stop this brazen, temerarious display of the manifestcation of "THAT" gene .
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
:P
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Besides, I think two or more may qualify as an infestation.... not a mere manifestation. Careful what you say, when we take over there will be retaliation.
paladin (anonymous) says…
I think Kim Novak was A-Okay! At least in my book. She sure rang my bell, anyway. Anna Nicole didn't hold a candle to her. And, I'm dead sure she could make real good corfee. I think all the happy, joyous couples, both young and old, should register at Hartsfelds. On the Plahza.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Sad about Anna. Without that extreme make-up and hair she was strikingly beautiful, with it she just looked trashy. I really feel sorry for the baby.
Azure_Attitude (anonymous) says…
I'd settle for their servitude when we take over.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Ceal,
I accept the theory of "Adams Curse" as fact.
I know exactly what your kind is up to.
Adam was lured forced and trapped by it, Jason and the Argonauts found out about it, Rudyard Kipling knew it, and I believe it.
paladin (anonymous) says…
History is chock-full of sinewy sirens and vivacious vamps with Borderline Personality Disorders. Oh well.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
RI, we received inadequate intelligence information about the mass destruction that would follow such a choice. If you read it carefully you will find that Adam told her she couldn't even touch the fruit, which wasn't in His original instructions. Adam had to add his own emphasis (just in case the Lord God Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth and all things visible and invisible) didn't adequately state the warning. So it really was Adam's fault!
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
Scene & downtown, get a room guys!
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Ceal,
NOT!
paladin (anonymous) says…
Udder nonsense. Weren't Adam's fault. He was sucked in.
My Momma always used to tell me that you should always act nice, even if you're not, cause someday you might get the chance to be, and then what?
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
By the sweat of your brows, boys, by the sweat of your brows :P
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
Adam, my hind flipper...
We are all descended from the mighty Eve--a one-celled Hammond organism...who crawled out of the primordial shoe-ooze.
Azure_Attitude (anonymous) says…
Yeah, right, blame the woman as usual . . . Projecting men . . . Like Adam didn't know what was going on. . . eve was framed!!
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Ceal,
"By the sweat of your brows, boys, by the sweat of your brows :P"
Male sweat apparently triggers activation of "THAT" gene...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070214/a...
bevy (anonymous) says…
This was a WAAAY long time ago on this thread, but the worry about not being with your partner if he/she is hospitalized is moot. The patient has only to designate you as their "liaison" with the hosp. and you have the same rights to be in the room, etc. as a spouse. I had to do that when my (opposite sex) fiance' was very ill. I would presume that it works the same way for anyone.
Go back to Genesis and read. When Adam got busted by God, what was the first thing he did? Pointed at Eve and said "She made me do it!" Some things never change...
I predict the Anna Nicole saga MIGHT be resolved in time for that poor baby girl's college education.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Then he said to the woman,
... And you will desire to control your husband,
but he will rule over you.
Therein lies OUR curse :) Y'all just use the alure of that darned sweat!!
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
bevy -- was he a whiner, or what? It's that woman you gave me, it's that woman you gave me! Come to think about it, I believe he was blaming God more than Eve. Oh well, guess we'll have to solve this age old mystery on another board.
kujeeper (anonymous) says…
why don't they ask their questions somewhere besides borders? Oh wait, they pick certain spots so they get a bunch of liberals to help them slant their news....
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Daughters of Eve,
"a few whiffs of a chemical found in male sweat is always enough to raise levels of cortisol, a hormone commonly associated with alertness in heterosexual women."
Women who sniffed androstadienone , the chemical found in male sweat, reported a definite improved mood and extremely elevated sexual arousal, and the displayed uncontrollable physiological responses; increased blood pressure, heart rate and panting.
So get any ideas of servitude out of your heads.
Because you would be clobbered by the monkey hammer of love, drawn to men like a moth to a flame, a rat to cheese or a butterfly to butter, thanks to the sweet, sweet androstadienone containing sweat that envelopes men like stink on a skunk ape.
If we were in servitude, I can hear your kind singing....
(you really NEED to click this link)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-po...
.
.
.
Because of "Adams Curse" you will simply not need us anymore...
http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/1...
jonas (anonymous) says…
"Posted by consumer1 (anonymous) on February 16, 2007 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I personally choose NOT to be used as a pawn to further someone else's agenda."
How are you going to do that as a republican?
jonas (anonymous) says…
Hey, check it out! Coach Self got a Fark Photoshop Contest in His Honor!
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comme...