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Do you think teachers should get a tax credit for buying classroom supplies?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on August 23, 2007

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“Yes. They are burdened enough as it is with all of the other expenses they have to pay. They already don’t make enough money.”

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“Yes, just like any other business expense. If they have to spend that money for supplies, then they really aren’t making it in the first place.”

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“I think those teachers are deserving of a better salary, but they shouldn’t have to spend any of their money on supplies for their classrooms. The schools should get enough funding to give them all of the supplies they need.”

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“I think they should if the money is going toward something they are only going to be using for teaching purposes. There should be a limit though. I can’t see anyone spending more than $1,000 a year.”

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

Ceallach (Anonymous) says:

"Ag, since I feel it's safe to assume that you were being facetious :) I totally agree. Religion, fundamentalist or not, is high on my list of things I do not want teachers setting their own agenda and teaching in public schools. If that is what parents want, they should pony up and send their children to a private school."


Well, I searched all the words on this page, and the above response from Ceallach is the only occurrence of the word "private." And yes, I was being facetious at the time--but right now, I'm not.

My wife and I have taken the tax credit in question for the past few years. The tax form only offers the credit to "teachers"--it does not differentiate between "public school teachers" and "private school teachers."

Hhhhhmmmmmm...

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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camper 6 years, 8 months ago

Maybe Sarbanes & Oxley can solve the problem.....probably an inside joke. But if you know what these two idiotic officials have done, you'd understand my sarcasm here. Back to the topic. Do we really need to add more pages to the tax code? And I think reticent made a good comment that a deduction for school supplies already exists (many often confuse tax credits with tax deductions...credits are more valuable because they are a dollar for dollar reduction in taxes owed).

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camper 6 years, 8 months ago

Why not allow a tax credit? I also think employees should be able to deduct commuting expenses (ie maybe gas only). After all it is an expense incurred for the purpose of earning money. But once you give tax credits you open the door to abuse. And isn't the tax code already complicated enough? Maybe the school district should provide supplies. Maybe even develop a program where supplies can be donated. I believe a deduction or credit already exists for charitable donations.

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gl0ck0wnr 6 years, 8 months ago

They shouldn't get a tax credit... but they also shouldn't buy supplies out of their own pocket. If the school district isn't willing to pay for the supplies, don't get them. Somehow I think if the supplies are needed, the district would change its mind quickly.

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 years, 8 months ago

I teach Spanish throughout the year, and we ocassionally have fiestas for which the children bring Mexican American food, and I make an authentic recipe of a typical hispanic country. I pay for this out of my own pocket. The school wouldn't consider this an "educational" expense, but I think I'm enriching my students' experience of the culture, so I keep doing it. Along with books and posters and other things that I think enrich my classroom, I easily spend over $250 dollars, and take the deduction each time. It would be nice if they would at least raise the limit of the deduction.

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Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

Marion says: The USA deserves what it gets!

Yes. Unfortunately the children also get what the parent deserve, for electing people who despise education - and it is not the children's fault!!!

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 8 months ago

It frost my cojones that this question is even asked!

It further frsts my cojones that it should be necessary (And it is!) for teachers to spend one thin dime out of their own pockets to provide for the students when education should be funded 100% by the public.

Ain't now damn shortage of stadiums or football helmets but there sure as hell a shortage of academic equipment!

The USA deserves what it gets!

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kugrad 6 years, 8 months ago

b3, teachers don't get the credit for buying work clothes or diapers either. Schools don't provide many necessities. If you have no idea at all what you are talking about, think twice before posting. Your post is idiotic.

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b3 6 years, 8 months ago

I dont get a tax credit for buying clothes for work or diapers for my kids, why should the teachers? If they really needed it the school would provide it.

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Stain 6 years, 8 months ago

Of course! But why do they have to purchase classroom supplies from their own pocket in the first place?

Answer: the horribly wasteful and detrimental No Child Left Behind which sucks up billions of dollars and delivers it to the testing companies instead of supporting actual education.

I'd like to know why the student fees for a high school student who is not taking anything extra or special approaches $200 per child. The federal government mandates a free education. $200 is not free.

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packrat 6 years, 8 months ago

The teachers in my children's school have learned that my wife and I are an easy mark. We constantly buy additional materials for thier classrooms. Every year we shop the school supply sales and stock hundreds of notebooks, pens, pencils, crayons and paints. We do this because we want to and can afford it.

I don't think there should be a tax credit.

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

coolmom is either a teacher, or is married to one, or is good friends with one. You nailed it!

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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kugrad 6 years, 8 months ago

Godot, Please provide proof of even ONE instance where a teacher in Lawrence purchased materials as you describe in this ridiculous statement, "religious/secular/sexual material the teacher purchased on his own because he knew it would not have been approved by the district."

Teachers are buying things like this: Books for the classroom library, stickers for incentives, cleaning materials to keep desks clean, hand sanitizer, eyeglasses repair kits, materials for science demonstrations, games for indoor recess, educational materials for learning centers, supplementary books to reinforce the curriculum, posters, and so on. This hidden agenda BS that you propose shows your anti-teacher bias and your lack of common sense.

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ms_canada 6 years, 8 months ago

No employee should ever have to purchase work supplies out of pocket. Do nurses buy bandages, thermometers, penicillin, etc? Do secretaries buy printer ink, paper, stamps? Do highway workers buy tarmacadam, gravel? I commend these teachers who buy lunches, gloves, jackets etc. God bless their hearts. But these are not school supplies. They should not have to buy chalk or maps or video tapes. These should all be supplied by the school board. Something is terribly wrong if a school board does not supply the necessary tools and equipment to allow a teacher to impart knowledge to her charges without it being a hardship on her/him. Tax credit? that would be a good idea.

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coolmom 6 years, 8 months ago

having worked in classrooms for the last several years let me tell you what teachers are buying. hand sanitizer and soap. paper towels in one classroom with young kids as they could only have a small amount doled out each week and the younger kids used more. glue sticks. they get some and parents bring some but there is never enough. copying costs in one school the amount of copies wasnt enough to last the classroom of 34 kids for the alloted month. the standard notebooks and school supplies for the children in each classroom that never have them. one teacher i know buys lunches and socks and warm coats for some kids. i kow there are service agencies out there but once a report or request is made then the families often get mad and the child suffers. one teacher bought gloves for all her kids as half didnt have any. these teachers are not trying to score anything. just do the job in the most compassionate way they know how. i say give it to them and thank you. my sis in law spends 400 or so a year in a fairly well to do school. i sub and help in classrooms and will never get the credit and spend 2-3 hundred a year not on my kids.

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GardenMomma 6 years, 8 months ago

Just FYI, there is an "above-the-line" deduction for K through 12 teachers who purchase classroom supplies. The deduction is limited to $250. This will directly lower your adjusted gross income (that's what you're taxed on).

I'd rather see a tax credit for teachers. $250 less on your AGI probably won't lower your actual tax due by very much, but a tax credit WILL lower the amount of tax you actually have to pay.

And a refundable tax credit like EIC would be even nicer. But good luck with getting that to happen!

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number3of5 6 years, 8 months ago

Teachers should be reimbursed in one way or another for the teaching supplies that they pay for out of their own pockets. This even includes the items that they hang on their walls, which by the way is educational. Most school districts allow the teacher x amount of dollars to spend and it is not nearly enough in most cases. There is a limit on how much copying a teacher can do in some schools. We tie the teachers hands and yet expect them to teach our children, ones that have no discipline at home if they even have a home, along with the ones from the more affluent homes no matter what the costs to accomplish this task. Schools should be free. Education only serves to empower the learner. The children need the best opportunity to learn. If our teachers are spending their own money to accomplish this task, then they need to be reimbursed.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 8 months ago

Why should teachers have to spend one thin dime of their own money to provide supplies for the school?

What is wrong with you people?

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

Kudos to Mrs Ag and Mrs TOB.

I'm still surprised at how few parents give a "rip" about their child's class, school activities, etc. For many children, their teacher is one of the few positive, encouraging influences in their lives. Teachers are sooo underpaid!!

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

My wife loads up on spiral notebooks, pens, pencils, all kinds of little things.

Why?

Simple: It saves the school districts collective a$$, and gets a smile from President Monkeyshines and the NCLB primates.

Say a kid doesn't have a spiral notebook. One or more of the parental units either doesn't give a rip, or "can't afford it."

If my wife doesn't provide one, kid doesn't do homework, assignments etc. Kid fails class, doesn't learn but most importantly (and let's face it, actual "learning" doesn't mean jack sh*t in schools anymore, does it?): The kid will likely fail the standardized tests. This could mean a loss of funding for the district, angry parents etc.

On the other hand...

My wife just simply says "Don't have a notebook? Here's one for you." Kid will probably do homework and assignments ("Hey, she gave me a notebook! An adult is actually taking an interest in me for a change!"), learn something, might even pass the standardized tests, raising or maintaining the schools "numbers," the NCLB folks get a two-month vacation out in Crawford, Cheney learns to shoot straight, Bin Laden surrenders and tells us where all his deputies are hiding, the entire Iraqi is suddenly swept up into a peaceful, groovy, love-filled experience that rivals the Haight in '68, the insurgents disarm their truck bombs and form communes that grown organic vegetables and weave macrame plant hangers...

Okay, maybe not all that... but up through the "numbers," that could all really happen.

NCLB

Notebooks Construction paper Loose-leaf Ball-points

--Ag

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Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, yes, by all means, allow a $500 deduction for religious/secular/sexual material the teacher purchased on his own because he knew it would not have been approved by the district. Yeah, thassss right.

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

Ag, since I feel it's safe to assume that you were being facetious :) I totally agree. Religion, fundamentalist or not, is high on my list of things I do not want teachers setting their own agenda and teaching in public schools. If that is what parents want, they should pony up and send their children to a private school.

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Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

Boyda should advocate no taxes, for anyone, period. That is only fair.

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

Ceallach (Anonymous) says:

"I think teachers should receive a tax credit, providing of course that the supplies purchased are not at odds with the administration or principal. Just to be sure a teacher doesn't develop their own agenda as to what children should be taught."


Well, unless of course, that teacher's agenda is rooted in religious fundamentalism of some sort. Then, of course, "Praise The Lord and Grade Your Own Papers."

--Ag

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

Turns out there are actually two or three intelligent people in Kansas. merrill is one of them. Heartless Bureaucrat is another.

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

TOB: meant no disrespect to the spending of the official one, hope it wasn't taken as such. The classroom environment plays a major role in educating a child. I think it is terrible that she has to fill the gap like that. But I disagree with comparing a teacher's contribution to educating children with an office worker buying post-its or white-out. Teachers are buying supplies to benefit the children, whereas employees would be benefiting themselves.

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sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

Sure, give them a tax credit. The credit should have a limit, though. I know that my kids' teachers pay out of pocket for a lot of things that are used in class. As long as it is a justified expense, they should get reimbursed. A tax credit would be nice, but how do we conclude that what is a fair amount in New York City is a fair amount in Kansas City. The credit should somehow be made on a local level.

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Nick Yoho 6 years, 8 months ago

Also,you know, if you think about it,the teachers know better what they need than the administration,for each individual class. This(tax break) is fair,and gives them some leeway,though it is an insult,that they would HAVE to spend $ out of their own pockets.Maybe they should get a $250 budget for supplies for every semester. The few dollars taxes saved(maybe)is nothing compared to the real dollars out of the teachers personal budget.

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Nick Yoho 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes!and I hope they buy Ice Cream for the kids,and deduct that too!Better then shipping it off To Iraq with the pallets of $100 bills supposedly lost there!Spend our tax dollars domestically!

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Mkh 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes. But first we need to abolish the meaningless and unconstitutional Federal Income Tax to give a real break to all working Americans.

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Pywacket 6 years, 8 months ago

This paragraph from TheHeartlessBureaucrat bears repeating:

"Our nation does not care about education though. It cares about football. That's where the money goes. Think of what one school district could do with Michael Vick's 7.5 Million Dollar Signing Bonus? They'd have motivational posters and extra pencils for everyone! But:hey:whatevers important to you. THB"

(Sounds of standing ovation ensue...)

I've been singing this song for decades, THB. Seems we are waaaaaaaay in the minority. I have acquaintances who can bitterly complain about the cost of sending a kid to 1st grade or about any move to raise school millage, and in the next breath and without a trace of irony, they'll discuss their season tickets for Chiefs football or Jayhawk basketball. I will never get this.

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solsken66 6 years, 8 months ago

Reimburse the parents for extras required for school, dress clothes, school fees, miscellaneous fees, lunch fees..... The State of Kansas needs to have a few no sale tax days on school supplies, shoes, and clothing. I would of shopped in Missouri if I had known early enough about their sale tax exempt days for school related items.

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Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

In response to KUGRAD's claim that this is not a local problem, I will remind her that funding public education is a local responsibility. Pandering to the teachers by increasing this deduction does nothing to solve the problem that local school districts are spending their money in the wrong places. In fact, it gives them an excuse to put even more expenses on the shoulders of the teachers.

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Hoots 6 years, 8 months ago

If this district wasn't so amazingly top heavy with administration they might be able to afford a thing or two. Teachers shouldn't have to spend money on classroom materials but they do. I know several teachers and not one of them is rich by any means. No wonder they can't afford to give the teachers a raise. When you are giving so many administrators raises with already large salaries then nothing is left for the people who actually do something for the kids. Some of the possitions we have in this district in administration are a joke akin to $70,000 a year pickle inspectors. I wish they would get rid of some of the dead wood and pay our teachers inline with surrounding districts.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

T_O_B, "Already a tax write-off: Makes me wonder why a tax credit would be given"

Unreimbursed employee expenses are a "deduction" to your AGI. A credit is a direct subtraction from your tax due...

Educators were able to claim a $250 deduction not subject to the 2% floor that everyone else has.
Unreimbursed employee expenses have to be above 2% of AGI to claim them. Even then only the amout above 2% counts. Dues, Work clothes (because shorts and a t-shirt are not allowed at work, but everyone knows those are the only clothes suitable for everyday use), supplies (I hate BIC® stick pens), trade rags, and other expenses are all subject to this 2% floor. I am pretty liberal with these expenses, but making the 2% floor is a stretch.

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14all41 6 years, 8 months ago

KUGrad: Who said local? Unless you're referring to Godot's comment several hours ago.

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ndmoderate 6 years, 8 months ago

No tax break! It won't solve the root problem of poor spending decisions on the part of school administrators and Boards.

Either reimburse or have the schools pay for the stuff up front.

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Azure_Attitude 6 years, 8 months ago

And the sapling is growing next to a stump so you have something to put your beer on, R_I?

Give 'em the tax break. It stinks to high heaven that this stuff isn't all provided for them in the first place. Oil companies get corporate welfare and our teachers need to pull money out of their own pocket to make a better learning edperience for our children. This nation's priorities are totally jacked up!

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kugrad 6 years, 8 months ago

Local problem? Something that occurs nationwide should be solved locally? I don't think so. The tax break (which is NOT a tax credit, it comes off of income earned, NOT off of taxes paid) is a small recognition of the fact that teachers buy supplies to teach other people's children well. For the last 2 or 3 years, it has been in place as a temporary measure, and it is a $250 deduction maximum (but you have to save receipts and the items must be for use only in the classroom for instruction). Boyda is simply suggesting that the maximum be raised and that it be made permanent. The actual program isn't her idea, I think it was proposed by the Bush administration. Again, look at your tax form. This item is found under adjustments to income. In other words, teachers are not getting a $250 tax break, they are able to reduce their taxable income by $250, which MIGHT be a few dollars tax break. At some places in the tax table it wouldn't amount to much of anything. It is more of a recognition than a big tax advantage. Anyway, whenever the subject is teachers and money, those who were never the brightest crayon in the box can't wait to post their gripes. Poor. poor Reticent. He has to buy Kleenex for his kid's class. Waahh. Pass me a box will you.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

"Because money always makes things better." - sgtwolverine

I thought it was beer or having your sapling grow from exhaled CO²... .

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Richard Heckler 6 years, 8 months ago

Reimburse the teachers for what they spend. They need the money back now. The district ought to be grateful teachers have enough interest to insure all students are getting what they need. All children do not learn the same therefore creativity on the teachers end should be funded and appreciated. Pay them back!

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Kat Christian 6 years, 8 months ago

I think if the parents just don't buy all those school supplies the school would somehow come up with them. And not pay those elaborate school fees. What are they going to do not let ALL our kids in school? I'd like to know where the money is going that is supposed to be spent on the school program? How much of it is actually being paid out to fund the system and how much of it is pocketed and by whom.

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14all41 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, just for the record....I'm not against teachers by any stretch of the imagination. Both of my parents taught for decades.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

Sarge - Re: Already a tax write-off... Makes me wonder why a tax credit would be given.

Re: What they spend money on. Well, I'm sure my wife buys stuff for decor purposes. I don't really pay attention to what she buys. I just know she isn't a plain 4 wall person. I do know she has bought computer programs.

R_I - No unoffical wife. She's just official because the state says so.

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14all41 6 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for the explanation folks. Not sure I'm completely convinced this is a good solution to the problem however. I know I'm going to open a can of worms here but.....did you know that many state and federal agencies have significantly cut office supplies? I've heard of employees having to buy their own post-its, white-out and pens. So.....should they also get a tax break? Let's stay away from the "tax burden" comments and focus on...if employees buy their own office/classroom/boardroom supplies, should they get a tax break? That's why I'm thinking this is not an intelligent solution - think where it could go.

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Bone777 6 years, 8 months ago

Humor, but I am still running for the hills....

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

I think teachers should receive a tax credit, providing of course that the supplies purchased are not at odds with the administration or principal. Just to be sure a teacher doesn't develop their own agenda as to what children should be taught.

TOB, at the g-baby's school they have a "tree" in the entry hall. Each teacher's class is a branch with apples, each apple notes a particular need. Parents and grandparents :) wishing to do so, take an apple to help the classroom. G-baby and I go shopping then she takes the "apple" and supplies back to her teacher. It helps the teacher out and no one is required to participate.

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

That was quality humor, bone. Unless you were serious, in which case ... well, it was still quality humor.

And I do always enjoy the "Look at how much money goes to [x]! If that went to [y] we'd be so much better off!" Because money always makes things better.

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

Run for the hills, bones . . .

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justtired 6 years, 8 months ago

according to the US Constitution all are entitled to a free education--if this was followed i would have no problem helping the teacher with supplies for the room. we have friends in Pa. and all they pay for are the extra activities.

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Bone777 6 years, 8 months ago

I think teachers should be able to afford supplies with the money they make at their summer jobs...

If that doesn't cover it, they should go make some extra money around the holidays when they are off for three weeks, or the week for spring break, or the days of 'planning', or Quanza or the other 52 holidays they get off.

Hour for hour they are paid great!

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TheHeartlessBureaucrat 6 years, 8 months ago

School supplies INCLUDES kleenex, dry erase markers, etc...but also decor, multi-media, outside sources of information to enhance the educational experience. So we're not talking about fronting a pack of pencils for a kid who forgot theirs (not totally anyway) but other materials.

My wife has purchased numerous computer based programs, books, videos, etc. with her paychecks to ensure that her students get as much as possible out of their day.

Our nation does not care about education though. It cares about football. That's where the money goes. Think of what one school district could do with Michael Vick's 7.5 Million Dollar Signing Bonus? They'd have motivational posters and extra pencils for everyone!

But...hey...whatevers important to you.

THB

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prospector 6 years, 8 months ago

A tax credit is just that and much better financially for the teacher. It is different from a write off against income all businesses and teachers use.

It sounds like the best way to let a teacher take his/her taxes and put it where it is most needed. Marvelous! Helps to prevent the diminishing returns of that which passes through the government.

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14all41 6 years, 8 months ago

Am I missing the boat here? Everyone (at least those who have posted here) seem to be okay with letting teachers have a tax break on supplies. Why? They are not self-employed and the school receives thousands upon thousands of dollars for the operation of their school which includes classroom supplies. Not to mention that parents pay for their own child's supplies for day-to-day activities and if they can't afford them most city and towns have helping agencies that supply them for free. So, what exactly are the teachers buying that is critical to education? Somebody please tell me! If they're supplies that are really needed then I view this more as an educational funding issue....not something that should be "fixed" with a tax break.

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

TOB, I would have been a bit surprised if there wasn't a tax break for buying school supplies on your own dime. I know I get to write off any and every expense for my photography business, and I don't see teachers being much different when it comes to buying school supplies. I mean, it is a little different, but not much.

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Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

Nancy Boyda is unbelievably incompetent.

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Godot 6 years, 8 months ago

This is stupidity, jockeying around with the Federal Income Tax code to solve a local problem that should have a local solution.

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absolutelyridiculous 6 years, 8 months ago

too bad teachers aren't paid enough to have the materials they need in their classrooms to begin with! Every year the property taxes go up, the school fees go up, I buy more kleenex, post its and "specific" supplies for those teachers. It all needs to be revamped. I'm tapped out!

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

Got me. She teaches a bunch of teenage boys.

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mom_of_three 6 years, 8 months ago

If there are supplies the teachers need, which the school, kids, or parents do not provide, then yes, there should be a tax break. There already could be.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

T_O_B, What does the Official Wife do with my Kleenex®?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

Sarge -

We get some sort of tax break already I think. I know she sticks her receipts in the "Tax Folder" and I take it to the accountant. What he does with them, I don't know. For all I know, he makes tiny little boats and airplanes out of them and plays war. Then he makes up some numbers and writes it on the forms. I imagine he huffs glue and stares at his pretty secretary while he's doing this. Got me. All I know is 3 weeks after I drop them off a check magically appears in the mailbox and all of the sudden I can afford steak that week.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

The Official Wife is a teacher. It baffles me why she has to buy supplies for her school. So, if the gov't is handing out free money, I'm in line.

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

I have no problem considering classroom supplies a business expense of sorts, so I'd be fine with the idea of tax breaks for teachers who buy those supplies on their own money.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

Why?

I'm already supplying their Kleenex® and dry-erase markers.

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prospector 6 years, 8 months ago

First! The early bird.

Sure, if the school does not pay for it.

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