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What sanctions, if any, do you think the NFL should impose on Michael Vick?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on August 21, 2007

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“I think he should be suspended, but they should treat it the same as they would any other crime.”

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“He should be banned. It’s fun to watch him play, but he can’t be doing stuff like that. Not if Pac Man is getting a year off without any convictions.”

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“Because of the heinous nature of the crimes and the extent to which he was committing them, he definitely needs to be kicked out.”

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“I think it depends on how severe the court’s punishment is, but I think the NFL has a responsibility to go beyond that because of how bad it was. I was happy to see that Nike immediately dropped him from doing endorsements.”

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says:

"Marion/Nick/Hewalksagainbynight -"

... you forgot "gypsynatalie"...

--Ag

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, that one wasn't bad but I have an additional thought on the matter.................

Perhaps TOB, you, snap and Vick should all go go China as there is a restauraunt which serves up a number of dishes which I am certain would be to your liking:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5371500.stm

oh

it might be too much like home for you both though

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

He'll have my eyes, with their devilish gleam.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Marion/Nick/Hewalksagainbynight -

He's going to be the most handsome and intelligent man in the world? With the natural musk that will make women pass out? He can cure cancer by merely touching a person. I eagerly await.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Ah yes, TOB, but this one will be very special!

Vick will be portrayed as sort of a cross between you and snap!

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Nick, can we expect some offshore vanity publisher to release "101 Things to Do with a Dead Pit Bull"?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Marion/Nick/Hewalksagainbynight...

This story has passed you by. If this... ahem... girl in the Ukraine is working on a Vick photoshop, well, she's about 4 mos. behind the curve. The inet is littered with them.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

And in the meantime the big dumb animal abusing jock Vick has cancelled a question and anwer radio appearance:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/28/michael.vick/index.html

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

TOB:

Would you please take a double dose of your ADHD meds, concentrate and get back on topic?

This thread is about Vick, his animal abuse and suggested punishments.

I realise what your little pea-brain (all three cells of it!) whirring like an angry treadmill in a rat cage, that it is very difficult for you but give it a shot if you will.

Or maybe it is just a rat brain?

So hard to tell without sepcific testing, you know!

My girl in Ukraine is working on the Photoshop of Vick as someone's dawg and I hope to have this for you in the next day or so but she has been experiencing power outages which slow things up a bit.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Gotcha!

The author of that link was you, Nick/Marion.

hewalksagainbynight?

Sounds familiar.

Oh yeah...

That's how you used to sign off on your little rants.

http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/browse_thread/thread/aa081dd6c2407f6b

Now you are posting under different names to support your spamming? Sad.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Gee, TOB, reads to me as though the author of that article is writing about a guy kinda like you but that article has nothing to do with the topic of this thread so why don't you go play on YOUR hobby horse?

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Read this article to find out how and why dogs of any kind become vicious!:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/deschanel.commentary/index.html

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Bill Chapman 6 years, 7 months ago

First: I did a little research on the type of personalty of people associated with violent animal gambling. Many (but NOT all) are also involved or associated with violent personal relationships. This does NOT mean one is always both, it means that a large percentage of that personality type will have both problems.

Second: Vick denies ANY involvement with gambling concerning the dog fights.

Third: In animal fights, there are basically two rewards(if you want to call it that): Money and personal satisfaction.

Okay with those three points in mind what conclusion can you come up with?

I came up with this: Michael Vick has, by his own admission, denied gambling concerning the dog fights. So, he must be doing it for some other reason. The only other reason is personal satisfaction. Michael Vick must have been involved in the dog fights because he ENJOYED it. Bring in the first point, and I'm not sure whether Michael Vick should be involved in ANY sport involving violence. Even if he has no history of personal violence, I would not want to be around someone who gets off on watching two animals(dogs in this case) try to kill each other. I could understand doing it for money, but Michael Vick has no NEED for money! He must have done this for enjoyment alone. For that reason, I would BAN him from ever playing professional football again.

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Crossfire 6 years, 7 months ago

"Through this situation I've found Jesus."

"I have lived the American dream. The worst days as attorney general have been better than my father's best days."

...............Stay tuned folks coming soon to prime time...

...............From The Great Newz Cathedral, in beautiful Newport News, VA ...............The Reverend Mad Dawg Vick and Deacon Gonzo ...............With the All Girlz Choir singing ................"Up From The Pit" ............... " 'Aint Yo Dog No-Mo, Mista Bush" ..............."Praise Jesus. I have Grown."

Everybody knows there is more money in televangelism that sport or politics.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Ukraine is a good spot for spammers.

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freashpowder 6 years, 7 months ago

I think he should not be banned you people dont understand the mentality of an serious Athlete, The only Really good athletes fall in the criminal Range because they are so aggressive and occasionally break the law.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Just noticed on CNN that the big dumb animal abusing jock is starting his whiny spin by telling reporters that he needs to grow up!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Crossfire wrote:

"can see him now spiked collar, log chain leash, high heeled boots Pac Man's Doggy. Hike you leg Mike and let that herpes rain on down."

Marion writes:

I got coffee all over my keyboard when I read that one!

I just might Photoshop up that one for you! If I can't, I have a buddy in Ukraine who can!

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Snap =

For whatever reason, Ol' Nick "The Spam King" Danger, gets around each and every one of the LJW rules. I can only assume he has compromising pictures of the Site Editor.

It's also never fully been explained why he thinks he is British.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

"But if you use inappropriate language (even when typographically obfuscated),... we reserve the right (but assume no obligation) to remove any and/or all of your contributions."

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Crossfire 6 years, 7 months ago

"What he did is despicable.However,it has nothing to do with his job or performance."

I think that you are forgetting that illegal gambling is a major part of the bloodsports. Both dog-fighting and cockfighting involve other illegal activities. When the quarterback is involved in these kinds of activities the threat of exposure can be used to influence the outcome of a game. Point spreads are an all important in the sports betting game.
Gambling, drugs, prostitution, extortion..... None of this money is reported, so tax evasion is also a part of this racket. Being a criminal does effect "job performance"

I think he's got a shot at being Pac Man Jones partner on TNA. I can see him now spiked collar, log chain leash, high heeled boots Pac Man's Doggy. Hike you leg Mike and let that herpes rain on down.

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

gypsynatalie, back on the 25th you were complaining about the thread getting quiet. So, I asked some additional questions.

Why so touchy?

--Ag

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Aggie and snap:

Kiss my Heinie a++!

This article and this thread is about VICK; notorious abuser of animals, NOT about ME, even though you both in your twisted thought patterns which cannot and will not deal with the matter at hand do your level(sic) best to spin it around.

The manner is which VICK; THE BIG DUMB JOCK, treats animals is a direct reflection of how he treats people.

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Fatty_McButterpants 6 years, 7 months ago

They need to ban him. They should ban anyone that gets any type of violent charge against them for at least a year. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Mario says, "Loons resort to personal attacks."

Such as "Marion (Marion Lynn) says: Aggie, you are an idiot."?

Nick, the irony meter's needle is getting warped every time you do things like that.

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

Oh yah, like you've never made personal attacks before!

B-O-O

H-O-O

Actually, the links you provided are pretty interesting. I'll never trust Michael Vick for anything, ever again.

I'll never trust a pit bull again, either.

BSL, when properly implemented and properly enforced, can work.

I support BSL.

--Ag

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Hmmmmm................................

Loons ask questions.

Loons get answers.

Loons resort to personal attacks.

Just like democrats, progressives and spin doctors but that's OK; I expected nothing less!

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

"Nick Danger?" Don't you mean "gypsynatalie?" :p

--Ag

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

NIce try at spin, there, Aggie but it won't work!

Canine organisations all over the world are outraged at what Vick has done and are indeed raising Hell!

Read about "pit bulls" and you will learn why they have been chosen as fighters, very much as have been Shepherds, Canario and yes, even poodles!

Start here:

http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm

Take careful note of the last line of this one!:

http://www.just-staffords.co.uk/page/page/2198024.htm

Anti-dogfighting group lobbies for severe penalities:

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release.do?id=752470

Humane Society speaks out:

http://www.hsus.org/acf/news/vick_pleads_guilty.html

What to do with Vick jerseys:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13918614/detail.html

The truth about "pit bulls":

http://www.pbrc.net/

What you can do to help end dogfighting:

http://www.hsus.org/acf/fighting/dogfight/what_you_can_do.html

You'll love this!:

http://www.mprgroup.net/images/dfcamp.jpg

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Nick Yoho 6 years, 7 months ago

What he did is despicable.However,it has nothing to do with his job or performance.In ordinary circumstances,the employer should do nothing more,the court has punished him.But,if its a "roll model"they should be expelled from the league,or whatever is applicable.fire him?poll the public maybe,see if they still support him.I wouldn't.

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

Tough questions, aren't they? ;)

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

debengstrom:

You are comparing apples to oranges; at least to some extent and although I may well agree with you up to a point, that point is that since we saw fit in our Hubris to kill off most of the natural predators, we must hunt for population control.

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Deb Engstrom 6 years, 7 months ago

Let's throw the book at anyone who purposefully kills an animal -- like hunters. I know, I know. Hunting is legal and dog fighting is not. But the results are the same -- an injured or dead animal.

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camper 6 years, 7 months ago

Vick was and is not a really good QB. He basically fakes a throw and then runs. He is a dime a dozen. I don't know why the media calls him a "star".

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Agnostick 6 years, 7 months ago

So Marion... why weren't Vick and his friends fighting poodles? Labrador Retrievers? I would Teacup Chihuahuas would make a great choice for illegal dog fighters. I mean, they're so small, you could fit 20 of 'em in the same space you need for one pit bull.

Kinda makes you think, don't it?

Speaking of "quiet"... the Pit Bull enthusiast groups, rescue organizations certainly haven't had much to say about this, have they? Only pics of protest signs I've seen have been held by PETA members.

Thanks

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Breaking News:

SI is reporting that the league has suspended the Poor Big Dumb Jock Animal Abuser!:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/?cnn=yes

Too ba; so sad!

not

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Vick and the sub-human dog fighting culture as reported by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6960788.stm

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, The Big Dumb Jock plead guilty.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/24/michael.vick/index.html

Blood fish bait might be the thing to rub him down with before tossing him into an enclosure full of hungry pit bulls.

By the way, his other FIFTY animals are being killed today because he taught them all to fight and the animals cannot be placed.

CAUTION!

New Vick (sick) joke follows!:

What is black and tan and red and black and tan and more red and less black and less tan and lotsa red and then just reddish-tan and a whole lot of red 'cause the black is all gone?

Vick, after having been rubbed down with blood bait and thrown into an enclosure of hungry Pit Bulls!

Marion writes:

Yes, I know that some of you are going to scream "RACIST!" in your loudest politically correct voices but Vck could just as well been Caucasian and I would have simply used "white" instead of "black", so get real!

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Godot 6 years, 7 months ago

Vick is vile. He should be shunned by society.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 7 months ago

Meat is murder. Yogurt is burglary. Fight the power. Save the stump.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Haha. All around torture. But, I'll be damned if I don't get my steak in the end.

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Das_Ubermime 6 years, 7 months ago

Lifetime banishment from the OTS.

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Crossfire 6 years, 7 months ago

Cow wrestling??? Torture for you...? Torture for the cow...? Torture for TV audience...?

I'll bet The Sofa King would buy ad. time.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

"Rather, I know hunters who get drunk and shoot animals for the fun of it"

That's not hunting. It's poaching. Big difference.

Re: video ... How else would steak get to me? Do you want me to wrestle the cow and carve it myself? That'd be torture.

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Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 7 months ago

I see your point on the "hunting" aspect, though I think your glorifying hunting a bit...I think there's a lot of hunters out there who don't share their kill with their starving family. Rather, I know hunters who get drunk and shoot animals for the fun of it. But I'm sure there's never any suffering even then.

If you eat steak, watch this clip before you get on your high horse regarding the Vick situation:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qkDPi5gUlIQ

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Crossfire 6 years, 7 months ago

If you were to keep two bulls and pen them up 23 hours a day. Pump them full of steroids, subject them to electrical shock. Train them by having them kill crippled half starved cows. Then get all your friends together to drink and party do drugs and make bets. Then let the bulls loose in a ring and watch them fight until they are exhausted. Then shoot large amounts on stimulants into their blood stream. Use more high voltage electricity to encourage them to continue the fight. Make the bulls continue to gouge and gore each other until one of them is dead. Then cheer and collect your money and do a line of cocaine with a paid escort and give her herpes.

How this compares to firing one shot to take a pheasant then preparing a meal to share with your family...?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Rob -

When I go hunting, I don't make two pheasants tear the sht out of each other and suffer and then eat the one that dies. I also don't breed the pheasants to where I get killer offspring.

Cows/Dodge City... The illegals don't bet on which cow will lose. They all do in the end. And then I get my fat juicy steak. I haven't ever knowingly ate a pit bull.

Crossfire - Intersting point. The reason they were investigating that house in the first place was for drugs. The feds didn't do anything with that.

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Roadkill_Rob 6 years, 7 months ago

I think it's too bad what happened to those dogs, but can anyone tell me the difference between this and shooting deer or pheasants? How is this different than the thousands of cows slaughtered each day in Dodge City?

Don't get me wrong, he should be punished to an extent, but I don't think he should be sentenced to prison...maybe a fine, an indefinite suspension from the NFL, and some community service at an animal shelter.

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Crossfire 6 years, 7 months ago

I think your right, If they pursue the same charges then the sentences would concurrently. But if he is convicted of separate charges they would run consecutively.

There a lot of state charges involved with things that happened just on the property that the feds did not have authority to prosecute.

I also believe that there were more ballplayers involved in this game. The star quarterback and leader of the team does not go out to play alone. I think there are more than a few Falcons sweating it out in Atlanta, hoping Vick will keep quiet.

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Martin_D_15 6 years, 7 months ago

mike vick is NO hero, neither is barry bonds the steriod user. Both should be kicked out of professional sports FOREVER.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

The local prosecutor in Surry County, Va., where Vick built his dogfighting compound, says he will now take action against Vick. What can he do to Vick that the federal authorities haven't already done?

Gerald Poindexter, the local prosecutor, can huff and puff and seek attention, but that's about it. Vick need not worry much about Poindexter. The federal authorities have the seven witnesses, the financial records, the e-mails and all the other evidence. Poindexter can charge Vick with dogfighting under a Virginia law that makes it a felony, but any punishment the player might serve on that charge would be done at the same time Vick is serving his federal sentence. Poindexter appears to be a bit embarrassed that the feds took over an investigation that he had started, and so whatever action he ultimately takes might be motivated, at least in part, by a desire to save face.

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 7 months ago

Crossfire -

That's what I was thinking, but I read that Federal charges supercede State charges. Something something. I'm merely an armchair lawyer. Something about the State could try him for similar charges, but the sentencing from the Feds wins. I dunno. Also, there is this sideplot about how the local Virginia DA is jealous the Feds took over the case and he's not getting credit.

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awoc 6 years, 7 months ago

Parkay is a whack job. Probably a domestic terrorist too. http://warforlife.townhall.com/

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Centrist 6 years, 8 months ago

Notice how he apologized to "everyone who has been hurt by this" but never said "sorry" about hurting the dogs themselves. Sounds more like he was embarassed to be caught, is all.

P.O.S needs to go down, down, down ... all the way to Hell.

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chet_larock 6 years, 8 months ago

parkay (Anonymous) says:

Hey, it's not as if Vick mangled, dismembered, poisoned, beheaded, and tortured viable human babies, like George Tiller continues to do in Wichita. Get some perspective!

Think about that one from our neighbor, Parkay.

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Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

It is now time for The State of Virginia to do their job and take Vick to trial on the state charges.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 8 months ago

monkeyspunk:

One word.

Goggles.

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Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

Death row is the ultimate dog fight... Quit the killing there too.

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monkeyspunk 6 years, 8 months ago

Benny, nobody said that we would have to watch. If we watched, we might get blood in our eyes or something, and that just wouldn't be sanitary. Enjoyable, but not sanitary, no no.

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 8 months ago

bennyoates:

My answer to each of your questions is a resounding "YES!", although I take issue with your parting shot.

Thank you for your support and do have a productive day!

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 8 months ago

My,my, a Wittig defender? Apparently not a ratepayer. It is precisely because so many of these corporate types are permitted to sign these horrendous contracts that allow them to loot the very companies that they run into the ground that they are far, far, far worse than Michael Vick.

Yes, Michael Vick has apparently committed some very grisly crimes against a few dogs, but how does that compare to the cruelty inflicted on millions who slave away for a company all of their life only to have their retirement benefits go down the tubes after some corporate raider plunders the company they worked for and leaves it bankrupt? Or, how many people lost their homes because they had to make a choice between making the mortgage payments and keeping their utilities on?

One can only wonder as to whether Wittig also had in his contract a PR flack who haunts Internet blogs waiting to defend his client. As I said above you can take Wittig, Lake and a whole lot more of these corporate scumbags and treat them the way Vick treated his dogs and still not give them all they deserve.

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Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

Vick is not admitting to any "crimes' only "mistakes" and he is so sorry for anyone who was hurt and accepts full responsibility for these "mistakes"...

He has been making these mistakes for six years and lied to the head of the NFL when asked about this before he was charged.

What about the other players involved in this criminal enterprise. Will Con-Vick rat them out as part of his plea-deal?

I don't think the rats are finished turning on this one yet.

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bennyoates 6 years, 8 months ago

Vick's crimes are horrible and our legal system should punish him accordingly. I hope that his prison sentence is a severe one.

However, the people who advocate all sorts of grisly tortures for Vick should be willing to administer these tortures and watch their victim die if they truly believe what they're proposing. Yes, think about it. Are you willing to lock a human being in a cage to be torn to pieces by animals? Are you willing to watch the entire episode then clean up the blood and the body parts?

For even thinking about such things, much less posting them on a public forum, you are every bit as despicable as Michael Vick.

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Pywacket 6 years, 8 months ago

A_A~ You're so right! Looks like I had a case of the....um...Tooooosdays!

R_I~ He hasn't known the pleasure of shooting, less'n you count fireworks. He's not much spooked by them, which is good. But I don't know whether it's possible to train a 3-yr-old. Don't they generally start them much younger?

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rabb 6 years, 8 months ago

"They are his dogs and therefore his property he should be able to do what he wants with them. He isnt a criminal for this. This is another way of people imposing their morals on others."

And I like to eat children. My children are my property and I should be able to do whatever I want with them. I am not a criminal for this. Outlawing cannibalism is just another way of people imposing their morals on others. Stupid people and their stupid morals. MMMMMMM, children.

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Teapot9 6 years, 8 months ago

They are his dogs and therefore his property he should be able to do what he wants with them. He isnt a criminal for this. This is another way of people imposing their morals on others. I love Mike Vick and will continue to support him.

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juscin3 6 years, 8 months ago

I really don't care if he plays football or not. As for the crime, it was wrong, he knew it was wrong, and it just surprises me that he had nothing better to do other than breaking the law. Isn't it weird how an athlete starts making money because it's their dream to become a star and once they do, start rolling in the cash, they do something stupid?? I'm not sayin ALL athletes are like this. So don't start hounding me for what I post. It's my opinion. :)~ Either way, if the NFL does keep him, it might ruin the teams rep, and could cost them money. Do the crime, do the time. No amount of money should buy your way out of it, but in this society it does.

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Paul Geisler 6 years, 8 months ago

Uhlrick I suggest you stick with the subject at hand, which is about an NFL player named Vick who hates dogs and likes to gamble.

But even if your comments about Wittig were on-topic, they are still unwarranted, and misguided. The difference between a petty criminal stealing $100 from a 7/11 and being represented by a public defender and what Wittig and Lake were charged with and being represented by the best legal defense that can be had is that the petty criminal didn't sign an employment contract with 7/11 that guaranteed that they would pay his legal fees!!! And 7/11 didn't make false accusations and slander the petty criminal before he appeared in a court of law!

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Azure_Attitude 6 years, 8 months ago

Kick the Vick! They can't punish him hard enough for promoting such a vile activity!

Py! That is one of my favorite movies!! Everyone who works in a cubicle or ever has should be required to see that movie.

But . . . Ah-hem . . . The quote is "a Federal pound me in the @$$ prison."

Other favorite quotes from Office Space:

"Well, you kick someones @$$ on the first day or become someone's b*tch. Why do you ask?" "The Nazis had flair. They made the Jews wear it." "We've heard you've been missing a lot of work lately." "Well, Bob, I can't say I've been missing it."

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logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

"And why are they plea bargaining with him?"


To save taxpayers the cost of a trial.

And so I don't have to hear about this BS on EVERY Sportscenter for the next 12 months.

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thebcman 6 years, 8 months ago

i would restrain him, strip him, smother his "privates" in peanut butter, then let a pack of hungry dogs take care of the spineless scumbag.

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 8 months ago

Seriously, think about it. What conceivable excuse do these monsters have for their actions. The courts are still forcing the ratepayers to pay for Wittig's multi-million dollar lawyers. Now there's equal justice before the law for you. Steal $100 in a 711 heist and you get a public defender, loot the daylights of of a major corporation and the victims buy you the best legal talent available.

And Vick? $130 million dollar contract and he's gambling pocket change and abusing these poor animals. Where is his excuse? And why are they plea bargaining with him? All the witness chairs have already been filled. He gives them nothing. Add the racketeering charge and put this moron away with the people who never had his opportunities until he's too old to play pocket pool. And to whoever it was that thinks that tough guy Vick is safe in prison, John Gotti wasn't safe in prison. As one ex-con told me, "no matter how big you think you are, there's always more of them."

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Uhlrick_Hetfield_III 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, and re: Wittig, same punishment will do just so no one thinks its racist.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

Py, I hope he is not a Hoplophobe. Has he been shot over?

The house lab is worthless.... The devil spawn are getting too unruly... They now refuse to wade out and retrieve.

I'm game.

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Pywacket 6 years, 8 months ago

D_U~ Well, that's encouraging! I was thinking more about the ones who haven't been caught--and who may not even be doing anything illegal--just grotesquely immoral. Things we ignore every day.

As an aside, your comments remind me of one of my favorite movies, though. If any of you haven't yet seen Office Space, you should rent it, if only for the dialogue between the remorseful trio about the possibility of going to a "federal f*** you in the @$$ prison."

R_I~ He does indeed retrieve (tennis balls and rope bones, that is) and he dives enthusiastically into any body of water and swims well. Those dogs were indeed named right.

He would probably be a fantastic duck dog--I kind of feel like we're cheating him out of the life he should have had. Of course, with no training, he would be clueless. But, like most poodles, he's extremely bright and very willing to please. After having this guy around and watching him single-mindedly pursue birds with no encouragement from me, I wonder why more people don't hunt standards. This guy has all the instincts, energy, agility, and a lot of heart.

Unfortunately, a lot of it might have to do with the "prissy" factor. A lot of (male) hunters would rather deal with a chunky, masculine-looking, trainable (but not brilliant in dog terms) lab than be caught dead with a poodle--no matter how sharp the poodle was or how un-froufrou its clip. Too bad. It's a shame to see an animal with so much potential ridiculed for what idiot humans do to it. Whenever I see one with bows in its hair or painted toenails, I want to shove its owner under a moving bus. (Don't worry--I have very good impulse control.)

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Confrontation 6 years, 8 months ago

prospector- That's one sad story! The worst part is that the animal rights people will fight to keep the pit alive. They'll blame owners who didn't control the dog or doggy porn videos for this attack. It doesn't take an animal behavior speicialist to figure out that this dog needs to be put down for good.

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logicsound04 6 years, 8 months ago

8 hours on a "rape stand". (w/ a 30-minute dog-food lunch break)

And let Ray Lewis be the "trainer"

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prospector 6 years, 8 months ago

Show him the door. He can look forward to a career as a bouncer in a strip club after jail.

TOB. this will make you shudder.

Pit Bull Rapes 2-Year-Old

http://www.wfmynews2.com/news/watercooler_entertainment/article.aspx?storyid=86779

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, acg, I do hope you're not making empty threats. Don't disappoint me!

Well, go ahead and disappoint me today and tomorrow. I have plans.

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acg 6 years, 8 months ago

sgt, I do hope you realize that my remark was completely off the cuff and wasn't meant to be taken seriously. Don't make me come over there, jeez!!

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

T_O_B, Buying in to the sensationalization? The breeding stand ensures the female does not rip the male to shreds...

Remember Kipling's "The Female of the Species"... "For the female of the species is more deadly than the male."

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

Based on what I'm reading, it would be the Vick's involvement with gambling that would trigger the NFL banning him for life.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

Py, "it amazes me that we're so intent on drawing blood from people like Vick while allowing corporate criminals to run rampant"

I think your "corporate criminals" are considered part of the aggregate "system". Pack hunters will always attack the individuals, as they are not effective with the group as a whole.

Does your Std poodle retrieve well? Duck season will be upon us soon.
Maybe I could borrow him?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

"Let the dogs do to him what he did to the dogs." missmagoo.

Well, he did utilize something called a rape stand. I shudder.

Vick's going to be in prison at least a year with probably at least a year NFL suspension (if not more). My guess is he'll be at least 29 before Al Davis signs him. At that point his two best attributes, speed and being elusive, will have declined to the point where he wouldn't be an effective QB. That, and he'll be eating prison food and sitting in a cell. Look what happened to Jamal Lewis' career after he spent just a few months in prison. He went from being a 2000 yard RB to having to play for the Cleveland Browns. Yikes.

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Das_Ubermime 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't know Pywacket, have you ever been on the forums when Dave Wittig was discussed? There were all sorts of unpleasantries wished on that man.

Most of the time though, white collar crime just brings out the sodomy jokes in all of us.

Something tells me that Michael Vick will not be given a 'hard' time by his fellow inmates while serving his time (both months...).

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JerkStore 6 years, 8 months ago

In 1998, Leonard Little killed an innocent woman because he was driving drunk. In 2004, he was again arrested for drunk driving.

In 2006, the linebacker signed a contract extension with the Rams worth $20MM.

If Little is allowed to play after killing a person, there's no way the NFL can ban Vick for killing a dog.

They've set their own precedent.

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sunflower_sue 6 years, 8 months ago

snap, that still has me giggling!

Ban him from the NFL. Let him serve some time and pay a big sum.

If anything good came from this, it was that it was a good lesson to teach my kids about what kind of friends you get when you become too big for your britches.

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sgtwolverine 6 years, 8 months ago

acg, the NFL has to take its public image extremely seriously, so I think this is very much their business. After the criticism the league endured last year during the Bengals' crime spree (I think at one point late in the season, they had as many players arrested as they had wins -- and they were a winning team), they've become pretty serious about providing professional consequences for stupid behavior. And since they need a good public image, that's probably a good move.

When it comes to Vick, I think it would be in the league's best interest to permanently distance itself from his playing career. If he wants to play football when he gets out of prison, there's always the Canadian Football League, or the Arena Football League. He had his time in the NFL spotlight, and as far as I'm concerned, he threw it away. I won't rule out an eventual return to the NFL, but I think he shouldn't just jump right back into the big time. He should have to work his way back.

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missmagoo 6 years, 8 months ago

Let the dogs do to him what he did to the dogs.

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Pywacket 6 years, 8 months ago

Lots of creative replies today! I love the jerseys-to-rags idea Blue73Harley reports on, and Jonas's idea of musical torture. But, Hannibal, I must take issue if you're lumping poodles in with "prissy" dogs. I used to feel the same way, but anyone who thinks a poodle is a priss is welcome to try to break into my house and get past my 70-lb ferocious sissy. After he tears one of your arms off, you'll be hiding behind my bigger, fiercer-looking dogs, and calling the poodle "MISTER Priss, Sir."

On a side note, as much fun as it is to crucify conceited celebrities and sports figures when they get themselves into legal trouble, it amazes me that we're so intent on drawing blood from people like Vick while allowing corporate criminals to run rampant--to cheat shareholders, the sick or elderly (in the case of insurance execs who are paid to find creative ways to exclude--and thus sentence to death--anyone who really needs insurance), and anyone poor or vulnerable. They are rewarded with bloated compensation packages, undeserved obscene bonuses (in years when companies have laid off thousands of "little people" because of financial failures), and golden parachutes. I will never understand this.

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Ceallach 6 years, 8 months ago

He should not be allowed to prosper from the NFL. They will pay a much higher price than his salary. His actions makes it extremely hard for the decent men in this sport to overcome the stigma that already exists regarding football players. I may have to start watching the NFL games so that I can quit watching, out of protest, when or if he is allowed back into the sport.

Can anyone capable of removing themselves so far from common human emotions be rehabilitated by fines or a few months in jail? Not very likely. Isn't indifferent torture and killing of animals one of the warning signs for serial killers? My guess is this man's cruelty has also been taken out on people as well, but has been hushed up by money and/or threats.

Kick him out!!

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Jaminrawk 6 years, 8 months ago

They should trade him to the Buffalo Bills, schedule all eight of the home games at the end of the season when it's windy and 10 degrees, activate him for the first home game, make him play without pads or a helmet in just a pair of tighty whities and no offensive line.

In the off-season, dress him up like a cat and force him to work for the ASPCA capturing violent animals.

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

craigers wins!! Post Of The Day!!!!!!!!!!!!

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coolmom 6 years, 8 months ago

he paid for the dogfighting and it was on his property, he lied, he killed under poforming animals and he has lousy taste in friends as they sold him out without a second thought...he should be done. serve his time or whatever but i dont think he should be allowed back in football.

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craigers 6 years, 8 months ago

Agnostick, let's make it interesting and have your same requirements but add a pit bull in the house too.

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Agnostick 6 years, 8 months ago

Lifetime ban from the NFL.

Five years under house arrest, in a big, old house filled with 100 stray cats.

Every time a cat dies, add another year to his sentence!

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com http://www.uscentrist.org

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Marion Lynn 6 years, 8 months ago

Ten years at minimum wage working in an animal shelter, cleaning the enclosures.

Alternatively, he should be rubbed down with hamburger and put into a cage full of hungry baboons.

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Crossfire 6 years, 8 months ago

The deal is guilty on one count of dog fighting conspiracy and a $250,000 fine. This stops the trial which would have lasted longer than the jail time, and cost many times the price of the fine.

This deal sweeps the whole ugly reality of this cruel bloody "sport" under the carpet. The smell of rotting dog corpses, the scared heads of the fighters, the rape pens the electric prods and all the other tools of the sport will go unseen. This deal shelters all the other ball players involved in this "game". He did not do this alone. The quarterback takes other players with him when he when he goes out to play.

After he finishes his time (5 years = 6-18 months) in some luxury prison, and pays a fine which will be less than he makes in one NFL game his publicist will spin this into a terrible mistake than Michael is very sorry about.

He already told his Mama that he is sorry. "Mikey is a good boy..." "Mikey always loved his dogs..."

...and Babboy is right Oakland will take him for the 2010 season.

Is it time to change the rules?

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The_Original_Bob 6 years, 8 months ago

Perhaps I'm incorrect, but if the Feds are invovled doesn't that automatically mean it's a felony? Interstate commerce laws and such?

I think whatever sanctions the NFL puts on him are the least of his concerns.

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acg 6 years, 8 months ago

I don't think the NFL should do anything to him, I think that it should be all up to the court system. Unless there's a morals clause in his contract, it's really not their business. However, I do think Michael Vick should have to fight the biggest, meanest pit bull that they can find. He should be allowed to wear only loincloth and must fight barehanded. We'll have the match at the stadium in Atlanta, the NFL can host it on pay per view and the proceeds can go to help animal shelters. I'd pay $19.95 to see a pit bull tear this piece of crap limb from limb.

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packrat 6 years, 8 months ago

If gambling was involved he should receive a lifetime ban. Either that or he should be forced to play for the Raiders.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 8 months ago

To steal a line from an email I got yesterday, "I hope he doesn't quit making Vap-O-Rub. That stuff is fantastic."

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craigers 6 years, 8 months ago

Das, I was going to ask if it is a felony. If that is the case then he should have the trouble of finding a job that any normal American does when he has a felony on their criminal record. He should be banned from the league. In the article, they spoke of how couldn't football be in his future since it has been his sole source of financial support. Ok guys, forgive me, but who cares? One year in the NFL, especially for him should set you financially for life. Is it our problem that he blew his money on multiple houses and criminal activity? I say confescate (sp?) the property involved with the ordeal and sell it for a charity for dogs. Make him pay with his reputation and pocketbook. Sorry, I don't like articles that make professional athletes out to be millionaire victims that have such a rough life.

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BrianR 6 years, 8 months ago

Death would be a good start.

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Das_Ubermime 6 years, 8 months ago

That would depend on a couple of things. With the NFL's rules on gambling and felony nature of this crime (I think it is a felony in Vick's state?), I would think that he will not be playing in the NFL again. Boy, he and his brother Marcus are just wonderful examples of humanity, aren't they?

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BABBOY 6 years, 8 months ago

Does it matter what I think? I do not have any say in this. Oh wait, blog site opinions everywhere.......... Feed him to the dogs.

Actually, three years from now he will be playing for the Raiders as old man by football standards throwing passes to an older TO for one last run at the Super Bowl. The sports bar crowd will forgive him and all will be well (unless your a dog).

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craigers 6 years, 8 months ago

jonas, now that is just cruel. However I also like H_Lecter and blue's choices from above. I can't think of a better punishment.

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JerkStore 6 years, 8 months ago

As far as the cruelty charges are concerned, the NFL won't have to do anything as the jail time will take him off the field for a sufficient amount of time.

What the League should be more concerned about (for its sake) are the gambling implications, and none of that has been made clear yet.

If it comes out that large amounts of money were being illegally gambled on the fights, the League will probably suspend him another year on top of the year he misses in the pokey. Seems fair.

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jonas 6 years, 8 months ago

Been out of the loop, what did Michael Vick do?

But anyway, I think he should be suspended for five years, tied to a chair, and forced to listen to Kid's Bop CDs.

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H_Lecter 6 years, 8 months ago

Five years of carrying around a prissy dog like Paris Hilton's and have to have a "I love poodles" bumper sticker on his car (and his cell).

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wysiwyg69 6 years, 8 months ago

let some of his dogs kill him in a 5 on1 fight,,, Oh no , that would be racist. just wait ,sooner or later jason whitlock will pop up the race card

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 6 years, 8 months ago

Crucify him, and cast lots to see who gets his clothing....

Whoops. he would have to be innocent for that to happen.

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blue73harley 6 years, 8 months ago

Required to work 40 hours a week at an animal shelter during the off-season for the next ten years.

The TV news last night said that some former fans were taking their Vick jerseys to shelters to be used as rags and blankets. Good idea.

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