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Marion - Plain and simple, I didn't call you a racist. I've called you other things in the past and have made fun of your patern (sic) of business failings (i.e. bankruptcy), but never have I called you racist. How do you see that what I was stating -- about Bone! -- is an implication about you? Does this mean that I implied that everyone that isn't Bone are racists? Hardly. I said it earlier, and it apparently warrents repeating -- my statement about Bone was about Bone and Bone only. (Oh, but your swipe at my ability to read -- ooooh, scathing.)

So I will say it for a last time, I did not call you a racist. If I had, I wouldn't couch it in an implication. That isn't my style. I'd just come out and say it. Nor did I call NASCAR fans racists, as you claim I have -- not even close. Again, you are projecting.

But you do seem overly sensitive to such matters. Hum, interesting ... and you do try to score points by parading the name of Chase Austin. What is next, you will tell us that many of your friends are black?

Once again, Shakespeare, my lad, Shakespeare.

Your Welcome, Beatrice

Beatrice:

I suggest that your re-read your own posts!

And I quote Beatrice:

"Well, it would depend on the context. If you were using this to point at some perceived inferiority in blacks, then yes, it would be racist. If you were pointing this out to make a comment of the effects of economic struggles still placed on many blacks so many years after slavery or of the potential for racism to corrupt our judicial system, then no, you would not be making a racist comment. Either way, however, I would ask that you site your source."

Marions writes:

I did NEITHER!

I made a simple statement of fact.

You jumped to the conclusion which landed you at "racism" and came up with your own self-indulgent standrads of what constituted a "racist" comment.

Beatrice wrote:

"Marion, the reason we don't jump on Bone for being a racist is that he does not have a patern of racist comments."

Marion writes:

Clearly implying that I do have such a "patern"(sic); an accusation which I deny!

Read your own posts!

Beatrice:

You have the opportunity to stop respoonding to any or all of my posts at any time.

Do not try to shift the personal responsibility for YOUR decisions about YOUR life to me.

On the matter of "racism" in NASCAR:

Here, you want to help diminsh any residual "racism" in NASCAR?

Go buy a copy of today's Kansas City Star.

If you cannot read, have someone read the article to you and look at the pretty pictures.

Send the kid some money.

I'm going to.

Chase Austin; BLACK NASCAR Driver:

http://www.chaseaustin.net/

Thanks.

Marion.

Marion -- you really do need to re-read my posts. Your suggestion that I have called you a racist is an apparent paranoid delusion on your part, because I never did. In fact, I went as far as to say that from what I could tell of your posts that I have read, is that it appears that you do not show a pattern of making comments that could be considered racist. My defense of Bone was not meant as a projection in the opposite towards you. For some reason, however, you read it as such.

Now, looking at your late-night, apparently alcohol-induced ramblings, I must again restate Shakespeare: "Methinks thou doest protest too much."

As far as editing your comments -- no thanks. I'd just as soon continue to scroll on past.

Are you applying for the job, there OMB?

Minimum wage, drug testing required, polygraph required, no benefits, no overtime and a 30 hour week.

oh wait

That's the job you already have!

never mind

Thanks.

Marion.

"When I need you to edit my posts, I will have a tag on my toe."

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"If I make a staement of fact, it is only that; a stement of fact."

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Yes, I always have some difficulty with taht "I before E, except...." thing and now with dyklsexia andonly one eye to boot I can type some strange stuff!

I suspect that the use of "patern" is the result of poor spelling as is the frequent use of the term "looser"; mostly by "liberals", when they mean "loser".

Bea:

When I need you to edit my posts, I will have a tag on my toe.

If I make a staement of fact, it is only that; a stement of fact.

what you are telling me is that if I make a comment or a stement of fact which conforms to circumstances defined by you, that the statement of fact is not racits.

If I do not conform to your rules, then the statement of fact is, arbitrairily "racaist"!

WOO HOO!

And who made you the arbiter of "racism"!

You see, all that I wrote was that blacks compose the largest percentage of the prison population in the USA.

That is a statement of FACT; look at the cahrts:

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/

I made NO comments regarding the reasons for this, which are as you suggest, socio-economic.

I leave interpretaion to you and your rather thought processes.

The fact that I made the statement is the ONLY reason that you then make the claim that I am "racist".

Were such as Merrill, Observer, Clark Coan or any of the Pseudo-liberal/Neo-socialists around these parts to have made such a staement you would be lauding them as recognising a problem!

A test:

I make the following unqualifed and proveable statement and ask you to decide whether or not that stement is "racist" within your understanding of the term:

"The livers of ethnic Japanese metabolise alchohol differently that the livers of Native Americans, Blacks and Caucasians and this diffference in metabolism results in drinking behaviours which are substantially divergent from the behaviours evidence in the aforementioned groups.

This anomaly has been shown to prevail even if the ethnic Japanese is removed from the homeland or has lived in an entirely different part of the world for generations."

Let us assume that my statement is correct; it is and for some very interesting reasons.

Would my statement, by your standards be considered to be a "racist" statement or a statement of recognition of FACT?

Let's see where you go with this one.

Thanks.

Marion.

I think half the cars should go the other direction, to at least make it interesting.

I also think a chronic name-caller should be removed OTS...

"...by contributing to this Web site, you agree not to post any defamatory, abusive, harassing, obscene, sexual, threatening or illegal material, or any other material that infringes on the ability of others to enjoy this site, or that infringes on the rights of others."

Bea- Kevin Federline might not be the most talented fellow, but he is alot like Ross Perot.

He nows how to get rich.

Hyppogryph? Are your referring to Marion, aka. Draco Malfoy

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Whoever says people watch it for the crashes is obviously not a fan of NASCAR. People watch it for the racing. I'm not quite sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Get ahold of the best NASCAR out there for the PC - NASCAR Racing Season 2003, a good set of pedals and a steering wheel and race that for awhile. Not on the kiddy arcade settings, but ramp up the realism. "Driving in circles" and "turning left" isn't quite as simple as you might think.

Marion, I was simply responding to your accusation of Bone being a racist, or having made a racist statement. I did not say or imply that you, in turn, do show a pattern of making such statements yourself. You read that into what I wrote when it is not there.

But lets consider how you defend yourself: "When I point out that the biggest percentage of the prison population in the USA is black, will you then accuse me of being "racist"?" Well, it would depend on the context. If you were using this to point at some perceived inferiority in blacks, then yes, it would be racist. If you were pointing this out to make a comment of the effects of economic struggles still placed on many blacks so many years after slavery or of the potential for racism to corrupt our judicial system, then no, you would not be making a racist comment. Either way, however, I would ask that you site your source.

To be honest, since your posts tend to be overly long and filled with postings to other sites that I never care to visit, I frequently just scroll past your comments. I don't know if you have a pattern of making racist statements or not, nor would I suggest otherwise without being confident in makeing such a repugnant accusation. However, reading your rambling protest, I would just like to quote Shakespeare -- "Methinks thou doest protest too much."

MARION, You really do have some racist overtones. Misery loves company and I am not coming along for the ride.

Why don't you go starch your white hood and robe and leave us decent people alone.

Marion wrote -'groups to achive your desired level of "diversity"/' it is ACHIEVE.

If you are going to throw spelling stones, don't break out all the windows on you glass house

marion,

Speaking of racist, I think it was you who used the moniker: Head White Mother-F----- In Charge

You must be so proud.

Thanks,

Beatrice:

Are you suggesting that I have a "patern" (sic) of racist comments?

If so, please point out the racist "patern" (sic).

Just because some PC slug says that a comment is "racist" does not make it so.

I was merely having a bit of fun with Bone777 who, like several other posters who indeed came back with comments that well might be considered "racist" against whites.

Beatrice wrote:

"Marion, the reason we don't jump on Bone for being a racist is that he does not have a patern of racist comments".

Marion writes:

When I point out that the biggest percentage of the prison population in the USA is black, will you then accuse me of being "racist"?

Or can one be "racist" once in a while and get away with it as you have let Bone777 off the hook?

Or is it just OK to hate anything associated with what might be called athe "white" aspects of the American culture?

Yes, there is a dominance of "whites" as spectators in this sport but look at golf until Tiger Woods?

I am amused because the real "racists" and elitists out themselves so easily on this forum and I, dear Beatrice am not one of them!

Bone777:

Does your percieved lack of "racial diversity" mean that a sport is "racist"?

Does it mean that we should establish an Affirmative Action program?

Perhaps, that we should bus in black, Latino, Viet Namese, Laotian and Puerto Rician groups to achive your desired level of "diversity"/

MY GAWD, you re stupid!

The BONEHEAD AWARD OF THE WELL GOES TO........

(Drumroll)

BONE777!

Bone, are you allowed to walk around unattended?

Thanks.

Marion.

Bea - I don't know what to say? I.....I....I'm speechless. This is usually when I would say,"Damn Bea." , and then walk away from the computer, smarting from the whooping I had taken.

Thanks for the support and you hit the nail on the head. No racism here.

Goots - glad to see you thinking reasonably. Stickers on the pole would make sliding rather painful. And if they start to peel, then there becomes the hazard of paper-cuts. Yikes!

RI is absolutely correct -- Eleanor Roosevelt gave the best quotes ever. LOL on that one.

Trinity - nothing could be more snootier than racing! You call soccer snooty, yet all one needs is a ball. In racing, the team that can spend the most money to build the fastest car wins. What could be more elitist?

Bone, again you have simply gone completely over the line. Calling Kevin Federline a "great white talent." Ugh! You know you have gone too far on that on!

Marion, the reason we don't jump on Bone for being a racist is that he does not have a patern of racist comments. He pointed out the obvious, which is that the vast majority of NASCAR fans are white people. He failed to mention that the per capita quotent for mullets is also higher among race fans. Not racist, just observant. (I can't believe I just came to Bone's defense. I think I need to go take a shower.)

How about: "Know whut I mean, Vern?"

A lot of Ernest P. Worrell-types at NASCAR events, I'm sure.

Too bad you feel that way. You should probably not go then. And whatever you do, don't expand yourself and try to learn about it. Then you might enjoy it with the "rest of this generation," thus becoming a hillbilly.

Just out of curiosity, what DO you enjoy?

Bea, I promise to keep the sponsorship stickers off our pole!

I think it says alot about our environment. There are alot of homes that still have lead waterpipes. Kids still eat lead paint. The levels of mercury are still too high in fish and pregnant women still smoke and drink.

All of that has created a generation that enjoys watching hillbillies go in circles. The same group also enjoys watching "wrestling."

I received free tickets to a race which Danika Patrick drove at Kansas Speedway. There was nothing to watch. The first lap was the same as the last lap - boring. What is the attraction? Strategy? There's about as much strategy as anyone uses driving through traffic. I agree that the only people involved with the sport who have any post-HS education are the marketing people.

I totally agree with Trinity. It looks like colorful guys/gals just going in circles, but there is so much to racin'. Once you understand the strategies and rules, and get to know it, it is a great sport.

I know I would not have the cahoonas to go over 100 mph, let alone averaging 170 in a tight pack for hours in 100+ temperatures. Wow. Talk about discipline. And the fans are very diverse.

And, the hooters are everywhere!!! Even on the men! ;)

Go ahead and make fun and jab, but find out which sport in a season has the most attendees. And they do have a nice time, unless their driver goes out early.

It strikes me as an act of great hubris to dismiss as stupid and pointless anything you don't understand / haven't examined in some detail. Kinda like the poster that called Ross Perot an idiot on yesterday's OTS. Perot may think very differently than most of us, but his career arc contradicts anyone saying he is stupid.

And stereotyping NASCAR fans as 'poor white trash' is racist.

Just a curious question...

This turning left thing,

Is it related to the Coriolis effect.?

Do NASCAR drivers in Australia turn right?

People here are so mean. I have thought about this issue some, and have come to the conclusion that it is popular because it is like traffic. If you watch people drive on 6th street or the freeway; they drive fast, in tight packs, and constantly take great risks to advance a single place in the grouping. The cars look much more like normal cars than IRL or GT racing. It is easy to see yourself in the situation and it is easier to watch a race on an oval track (I realize that few are actual ovals).

Racing does use fuel in what some would see as a gratuitous fashion, but so does many other things (like shipping fruit to the grocery store in winter from Chile and Argentina). Maybe they could race NASCAR hybrids. HE he.

I really think this is a bit of a silly question though. Its like asking why someone likes beer or books or the color red. Who the hell knows.

In a typical attempt to degrade and diminsh the greatest spectator sport in the USA and soon to be in the world, Bone777 wrote:

"Posted by Bone777 (anonymous) on September 30, 2006 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

White folks."

Marion writes:

Now if I had written that; "white folks.", some of you would be all over me for being "racist".

Where are you hyporites now?

At any rate, as far as the subject of ethnic racing goes, let's start with Wendell Scott:

http://www.nascar.com/2005/kyn/02/07/bhm.1/

Now let's take a look at this:

http://www.willytribbs.com/

And this:

http://www.billlester.com/

Bone777, YOU ARE THE RACIST!

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Ignorant as well.

Useful idiot.........

Thanks.

Marion.

Beats the heck out of me!

In my world, they would still be running moonshine in Appalachia. It would be more interesting if some Highway Patrol Intercepters were added. Also, include spike strips avoidance laps and moonshine drop off-pick up pit stops. Drivers should be required to conceal/carry.

Thanks OMB, it was a softball though. I chance to refer to them that is not obtuse for once. I was surprised the 'roundabouters' were not on yet.

lol, oh come the hell on! y'all need to lighten up on NASCAR. have any of you any idea at all about the precision, the meticulous nature of a race car?? i doubt it. i for one truly admire the workmanship and mechanic skills it takes to make a car go as fast as the racers do; and skill at driving, wow...don't know about any of you but i'd have a heckuva time handling a car at 150+mph!

i'm sure some of the snootier posters will have to say, "oh yes i could drive like that " or whatever. go right ahead-go back to your fencing, your soccer, tennis or whatever high-brow endeavors you choose to indulge yourselves with, and leave the racin' to us edumacated redneck folk, m'k?

America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed.

Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936

It's popular because the general public is too stupid to engage themselves in anything that requires more than G.E.D. After all, watching cars drive around in circles all day entertains both infants and grown men.

What I don't understand is the connection between NASCAR fans and their disdain for Terrorist Supporting Nations. I mean all the oil/fuel that is wasted during these events could drop the price of gas a nickle a gallon.

I get the biggest kick out of BOZO and his petty little reality.

Things can never be what they ar , cannot be why they are and there is alwys a deprecating tenor in his opinions of why folks like a given thing.

Not to mention the ulteriror motives that he sees floating around like phantoms in the mist.

I think that BOZO is very repressed and should get his/her/its panties out of the bunch that they are in. the corncob out of his pooper and start enjoying a few things inlife, that's what I think.

Maybe BOZO just need to get.......

Thanks.

Marion.

audvisartist - "People want to see the crashes. That's all there is to it."

Well said. That is exactly it.

who could resist those hottie hunkie drivers?? ;)

besides...i'm a girl who just loves cars! it's alllllllll good.