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Should students who opt out of military recruiter lists have their names withheld from school publications?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on October 27, 2006

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“Of course not. That doesn’t seem like the right thing to do at all. Just because they want their names withheld doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t have the same privileges as the other students.”

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“Absolutely not. That would definitely be unethical.”

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“I don’t understand why they would do that. I think that for the most part students would seek out a recruiter if they were interested.”

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“Absolutely not. Just because they opt out doesn’t mean they should be taken out of everything else. That’s ridiculous. What does one have to do with the other?”

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Gootsie 7 years, 5 months ago

I think it's someone who goes around to offices and waters their plants with those portable tanks on red wagons.

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ohjayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

The premiums are going up and benefits are getting less not because of the increased administrative costs. They are changing for the worse because the costs of service, and particularly prescriptions, are going through the roof. School districts already have people entering student data into a computer. Five to ten extra entries, which probably would include entering a "Y" or an "N" into a field would take an additional 10 - 20 seconds (and that's being generous) per student. No extra people would be needed.

Also, R_I, I just re-read your 4:12PM post, and I must concede the points in your final two paragraphs. Although, I still don't think it would be as cumbersome as what you may be thinking to maintain the database once it is up and running. I failed to take into account that the database, spreadsheet, or whatever medium was being used, would have to be set up, requiring a good deal of time and effort.

Anyway, thank you for the intelligent banter today R_I. I have quite enjoyed it, but I must get some sleep.

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Katara 7 years, 5 months ago

Y'all forgot chicken & waffles! Heathens!

Stroud's is no longer under the bridge anymore?

runs sobbing from the discussion

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

HL....

You have sue pegged there...

"may make you think you can logically converse with out spitting"....

Thats our sue!

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

My health insurance premiums keep going up... And I keep getting less and less benefits and coverage. Hmmmm.... Who is paying for the administration of your health insurance "ala carte" plan?

Sounds like you made my point right there.

So let's have a "ala carte" student privacy policy. What school programs do you think should be cut, in order to implement and run the privacy program? Someone has to be paid to do this, and it would not be just one person.

http://www.epic.org/privacy/student/

http://www.studentlist.com/products/list_highschool.shtml

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

H_L, that was a scream! My hubby sat here and he was laughing but I know he was thinking: "That's so her!" Mostly, I just talk like a sailor.

Bone, in this order: headache, sore throat, swollen lymphnodes, body aches, more headaches, sinus pressure, and today I've developed a burning in the chest with a bit of a cough. No fever to speak of. Just a lot of crappiness. We will see if the green meanies come tomorrow.

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Bone777 7 years, 5 months ago

Sue - did yours start out with a tickle in your throat, to a painful to swallow, to a feverish cough with lots of green meanies being expelled. If so I had that also, if not sorry for your sickness. I had something totally different.

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ohjayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

An a la carte opt out system would not have to be cumbersome. The student fills out a form at the beginning of the year (or the beginning of their high school years) stating which items they want to opt into and which they want to opt out of. That information goes into a database that will prohibit their information from going to those entities they opted out of. If they want to change anything, it can only be done once/year. If companies can do it with health insurance, it should be able to easily be done with this as there would be many fewer options.

On the chicken conversation... it's hard to beat the chicken from the Amish restaurants in northeast Ohio... not to mention the real mashed potatoes, gravy, noodles... excuse me while I wipe the drool from my keyboard.

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Ceallach 7 years, 5 months ago

sue, hope you are feeling better soon, no need to recoup and waste your weekend. Unless of course you recoup by getting wasted all weekend :) All y'all have a good night, I cleaned carpets nearly all day (wonderful way to use a day off, right?), so I'm going to vegetate the rest of the evening.

RI, you are so right about the expense and liability issues that would be involved if students have ala carte opting out. Not to mention the fact that they would change their list more often than their clothes. I would hate to be in charge of that database!!!

Manana, y'all! Be good, don't fight, and oh yeah, sue's in charge until I return !!

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Will you supply the tequila? I do some of my best talking while plied. 'Course, I may be permanently disapeardeded, but then I really won't care. BTW, I'm not "spritely," just not "death warmed over" like yesterday. (Just got this cough thing going now.)

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

sunflower_sue,

Since you are feeling spritely now....

What about the ol' "Double Black Dog Dare"?

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Closed in January. Rumor mill has it that they will re-open another one at some point.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Prospector, I didn't answer your ?. It has been in this last year, if memory serves me correct. I think it was early spring???

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Now they only "choke their own chickens" up north. I must travel there soon.

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snuffysmif 7 years, 5 months ago

What bothers me is that the burden of this war is being entirely borne by the existing troops. Just about everyone in the military has been to Iraq twice now. Are we going to go ahead and make everybody go a third time or are we going to draft some new soldiers and give them a break? We're making it really hard on that one generation of troops.

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prospector 7 years, 5 months ago

No more Stroud's "We choke our own chickens"under the Troost Viaduct???

Since when?

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fabian_zimbabwe 7 years, 5 months ago

I miss Stroud's! (I know there's one up north, but that just can't compare to that lovable dive under Troost.) Moment of silence.

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Kontum1972 7 years, 5 months ago

dick cheney likes the term "water-boarding"

dont know how close that comes to water gardener....

pass the 12 gauge...waaaa!...waaa!

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

Maybe, someone should get Nancy Boyda to reveal her position on reviving the draft, just for the sake of all the high school and college age people out there in Douglas County.

My guess is it will be something like, "Should we have a draft? I don't know. Do you know? I don't know. That is something we will have to figure out."

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Fill me up on fried taters! notice...off topic Funny Lambert's story: My oldest bro is a bit of an "idiot savant of the entertainment world." While once eating at Lambert's, the employees were blasting music and started yelling ?s to the diners like "What song is this?...What is the name of the band?...etc..." They finally realized my bro was not missing anything so they thought they'd single him out and get tough on him, like "Oh yeah, who is the singer?...Who is the drummer? What year?...etc..." making the ?s more and more difficult. My bro didn't miss a single ?, so for a prize, we were taken to the back, shown how they make the fried potatoes, and given a dozen "hubcaps" (giant cinnamon rolls) to take home. My big bro is a gem. I was listening to a song on the radio this afternoon and couldn't think of the band. Guess who I called? The answer was Golden Earring but now I can't remember the song. I'm a dolt. Oh, yeah!... "Radar Love."

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

Who would pay the salaries of the department that would implement and run an "a la carte" private information distribution system for the school district?

What remedies would be available to a person when the district gave out private information in an area that you had "opted out"

This is a district policy. as I understand the 4 paragraphs at issue in NCLB, "ala-carte" opting out is allowed, just not by USD497.

I think an "ala-carte" policy is encumbering to the district, subject to mistakes, and expensive to implement and run.

One can always have their information removed from the DOD database.http://www.aclufl.org/issues/privacy/NCLBPentagonOptOutForm.pdf

The real issue is that: not only the DOD and Institutions of higher learning are allowed to glean your childs private information. "Educational marketing" companies that then collate and sell this information are allowed this information. Ever recieve a letter "To the Parents of:" Where do you think they obtained your childs name, and other private information?

Don't bulge the school districts adminstration. All or nothing opt out choice as the DISTRICT policy is the least expensive, safest way protect your child's privacy. (and yours too..)

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

Charles "draft em all" Rangel is a Democrat, and will chair the Ways and Means committee if the Dems take the house. Then he will have the power to get his bill passed.

Be careful what you wish for.

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Godot 7 years, 5 months ago

"The recruiter thing should never have been part of No Child Left Behind. Students are subjected to phone calls from recruiters who come off like telemarketers. It should NOT cut students off from opportunities.

Those BUSH neocon republicans come up with rather strange ideas. VOTE THEM OUT and demand of new legislators that NCLB be scrapped or rewritten."

Yeah, replace NCLB with Charlie Rangle's bill (he has introduced it again, you know)that would draft all people between the age of 18 and 32 for two years of mandatory service.

That would show 'em, wouldn't it? It would put those blank-blank recruiters out of work!

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Ceallach 7 years, 5 months ago

sgt's sizzlin ssssssssssss!

We're all so indoctrinated with "relative" thinking that nothing is considered "true" anymore :( cept fer chicken!! Chicken good, now there's a truism.

Lambert's is such a blast!! How about them "sides" sue?

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The_Original_Bob 7 years, 5 months ago

I think Juliopac needs some Cold Fried Chicken. My goodness. I could go on but I have to finish plucking.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

Julio, while I can be as negative as anyone, I also recognize that neither negativity nor positivity is an indicator of truth.

The point of my post was simply to note that while you derided optimist for "sentimental sap," you displayed the opposite extreme rather than expressing a calm, well-considered opinion. That does not provide you a firm platform from which to criticize sentimentality.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Stroud's in KC. Now THAT is where you get some gooood chicken. Give me some 'o dem taters n gravy to go with 'em and a whole plate of livers fried up to perfection! (Gizzards for you woosie babies who can't/wont eat livers). MMMmmmmmmmm! That's how it's done! That, or we could all drive to Lambert's and go have some rolls throwed at us. Yum!

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juliopac 7 years, 5 months ago

Sgt Wolf,

We all know how you right wingers hate negativity (aka the truth).

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Bone777 7 years, 5 months ago

I really had some deep thoughts about this all or nothing policy........and then I couldn't stop thinking about chicken and dumplings. Thanks a lot, whoever started the chicken theme.

BoneADD

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ohjayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

Privacy issues are not an all or nothing proposition. People should be able to choose to whom their information is distributed. For example, obviously it is not a good idea to allow a lot of people access to your social security number. However, in certain circumstances, that information is needed to be given to someone. Why should this case be any different?

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Ceallach 7 years, 5 months ago

chicken indeed, with beans and rice, yummmmm.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

Privacy choice all or nothing? Fine with me...

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acg 7 years, 5 months ago

Mmmm I could eat some chicken....

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75x55 7 years, 5 months ago

Would that be a 'chickenhawker'?

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

Ah, the chicken hawk argument has entered the thread.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

Julio, in all honesty, your posts are as sharply negative as optimist's was sentimental.

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juliopac 7 years, 5 months ago

Optimist said...

"No matter what their reason we should salute sharply and thank them for their service rather than pass judgment on them."

Jeez! The gooey sentimental sap is oozing from your post. Pop tall and offer a salute. Uh...no thanks. Hey Optimist, how 'bout signing on the dotted line. You're not quite that sentimental now are you?

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Kontum1972 7 years, 5 months ago

wish i went to school with Meg...VA-VA-VOOM...xtra-fine

my garden is thirsty....

obtw..the draft is next...

they just buried a young GI today in 11worth...blown up by IED..a few days ago...

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ohjayhawk 7 years, 5 months ago

I was in the Air Force ROTC detachment at KU the first year and a half I was there. I received a scholorship and, at the time, thought that was what I wanted to do with my life. There were definitely things that were misrepresented. I found out that "recommended" attendance = "mandatory" attendance. Also, the fact that I was not guaranteed to get into the field that I was getting my degree in was a bit disconcerting. I was able to opt out (although having to pay back my scholarship, which is completely understandable).

After all that, I must say it has not made me anti-military. There are many brave people who are scattered all over this world representing and protecting us. For some people, the military is the right career choice. However, after that experience I realize how tough a decision it is for young people to make, and I remember the pressure that was put upon me to make my decision in a timely fashion.

In response to the question, I'd have to say why can't they opt out? If they know that the military isn't what interests them, why can't they save the recruiter time and opt out of being on their list. It's quite similar to me knowing I don't want to be sold aluminum siding over the phone. So, I put my phone number on the national "do not call" list.

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optimist 7 years, 5 months ago

Many of you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The fact that you characterize any of those who enlist as being ill-informed, not smart enough to know better, desperate or simply the victim of a doop make absolutely clear what you think of the military.

There are people of all walks of life serving their country. I knew people with master's degrees, bachelor's degrees and many with less education and those were just the enlisted. There are a fair number of people with post secondary education degrees who choose to serve in the enlisted ranks over becoming an officer. Many have only a high school diploma but don't you dare presume they aren't the brightest among us. I for one believe many of them are more intelligent and mature than most that go to college.

College isn't for everyone and not because they aren't smart. Plenty of people who have succeeded in business have never stepped foot on a college campus. There are some who are simply looking for more adventure in their careers than college offers. No matter what their reason we should salute sharply and thank them for their service rather than pass judgment on them.

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spoticus 7 years, 5 months ago

For those of you favoring the all or nothing privacy policy, I think there is an aspect of the story you missed. If the policy was only to exclude students from all mailing/contact lists, then I might agree with you. That would cover only marketing. The problem with the policy is that it also excludes you from being published on the honor roll or in the yearbook. Now, a student may not want to have any marketing material from anyone, but still be in the yearbook. I don't have a problem with that and I don't see how it creates any logistical problems for schools. Honor rolls and yearbooks need not be tied to marketing.

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Pywacket 7 years, 5 months ago

Posted by Speedracer, "At least they aren't being required to take ROTC. I see no problem with the military recruiters on campus. Why is this any different from the corporate or college recruiters who also misrepresent? I would hope that the career counselors assigned to the students are giving them good advice."

Why is this any different...? Uhh... when's the last time you took a job in the private sector, quickly learned you had been horribly misled--or quickly decided that is simply wasn't for you--and were not allowed to walk out the door and QUIT?

Signing up for the military is a several-year COMMITMENT or SENTENCE, depending on whether it works out well or not. Those who sign up deserve to hear the plain, unvarnished facts from the people DOING the recruiting.

A lot of you who are saying that the kids can/should get good career counseling, or good advice from their families, etc., apparently have no idea how thinly the school counselors are spread. It's a joke to think that most kids can get any meaningful advice from that source. Also, a lot of kids do not have informed parents advocating for them. A look at the demographics of the army should quickly allay any misguided notions that it is filled with the offspring of the educated, upper-middle-class (or higher). Again--I don't see Jenna or Barbara signing up.

Finally--to anyone who is uncomfortable with me "bashing" the military, let me clarify. It is NOT the rank and file I have a problem with--my comments should make that profoundly clear, since the rank & file is made up of young, impressionable kids, many of whom have no idea just what senseless peril they're getting into until it's too late (again: they can't just QUIT). My whole point here is that I'm in support of THEM not being pressured or misled.

My "problem," if you will, is with the machine itself and those running it, from recruitment goons all the way up ("up" being relative here) to the screw-up-in-chief. Again--these kids are being sacrificed for NOTHING but george's pathetic delusions.

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Ceallach 7 years, 5 months ago

This is such a "tupid" topic and obviously meant to stir things up! To my knowledge they are not contacting 6th graders, right? The military is a valid option for young men and women after they graduate from high school. The list is intended to reach students with just that, options. Those not interested can "just say NO." For many students college is not an option, yet they will be bombarded with packet after packet sent by colleges from sea to shining sea. I just learned that KU will start contacting prospective students after 6th grade! That means 6 years of advertising before your child graduates.

To fine fune a list allowing students to pick their "opt out options" would be a nightmare, if not impossible to maintain and keep current.

This sounds like another attack on the military and those in it. . . an attack made possible by the men and women in uniform everyday securing our freedoms.

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RonBurgandy 7 years, 5 months ago

I was never contacted by a recruiter...I wonder what that says about me. Hopefully they just knew that I wasn't going to enlist...

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karma_king 7 years, 5 months ago

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

Recruiters constantly contacted me in high school. That was 1/4 century ago. I had no problem with it. Infact, 4 times they made visits to my house. They showed up at chore time, and were always eager to help you finish chores. Go figure.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Hey! Still alive today and did nobody sleep last night? I finally did. Yee Haw! I'm not over my crud but I'm feeling better, thanks.

OK. I know it's the law for boys to sign with SS by a certain age. Being female, I don't know what the pressure is to join for the young men. I did get more than my fair share of phone calls and letters in HS from recruiters because I have a name that can go either way...you know, "A boy named Sue" and all that. Anyway, maybe if the recruitment offices were smarter, they'd just get their lists from the yearbook. They obviously didn't get my name from something I signed. Punishing the kids for not signing the recruiter lists...that is rediculous. Kudos to Smarmy for sitting in. That being said, even in HS I knew that the military was not for me. I had the power to say no and did. Mommy and Daddy can't always be there. Teach your children to think for themselves.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

I dont have issue the with limited "opt out" privacy choice.

A. If I do nothing, share my information with everyone.

B. At my requestshare my information with no one.

It is too difficult and expensive to individualize the privacy choice. (Lets not create another school district position)

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SpeedRacer 7 years, 5 months ago

At least they aren't being required to take ROTC. I see no problem with the military recruiters on campus. Why is this any different from the corporate or college recruiters who also misrepresent? I would hope that the career counselors assigned to the students are giving them good advice.

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blue73harley 7 years, 5 months ago

I had a friend who joined the Air Force right out of High School with the promise by a recruiter that he would be an interpreter. He ended up making boxes in Wichita!

All ended well though, after a miserable two years in Wichita, he went on to see the world working on cargo planes. He just retired...while I am stuck here in my little cubicle at work!

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

The military is targeting my kids? That's some amazing technology. Maybe they can tell me when I'll have kids, and what their names will be, too!

Okay, seriously, I'm not cool with the hellfire and brimstone being heaped upon the military. It's a bit excessive. The military isn't perfect, but it's also not the devil's spawn.

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char 7 years, 5 months ago

pywacket, maybe you should just stop generalizing. it's always the bad apples that get all the attention.

yes, there are some recruiters who will make any lie just to sign a new recruit. but that doesn't mean they are all "bottomfeeders". just like any other job, you have the good people just trying to do their job, and you have the "bottomfeeders" who give them all a bad reputation.

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Pywacket 7 years, 5 months ago

You're right, Char. I hereby transfer all my disgust and resentment to the bottom-feeding so-called "superiors" who force these soldiers to be lying, pushy recruiters. Now I feel better.

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char 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't agree with the all-or-nothing. That is just ridiculous.

But some of you are coming down awful hard on recruiters. Yes some lie, but others don't. Recruiting is one of the hardest jobs in the army, and I'm sure the same goes for the other military branches. The recruiters are pressured so much by their superiors to reach mission (that is, recruit so many people in so much time), that some of them have nervous breakdowns. I happen to know a current recruiter in Montana, and my father-in-law also recruited. It was the worst job he ever held, because he could not lie to the people like some other recruiters could.

So don't hate the people doing their job. It has been done this way for a looooong time now. I don't think they know any other way to do it.

Besides, just say you have flat feet and they leave you alone.

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juliopac 7 years, 5 months ago

Bowhunter--

A recruiter should not have access to ANYONE under the age of 18. Why? Because they LIE TO THEM, then get them to sign legally binding contracts. No one has access to our youth like military recruiters. I couldnt agree more with the person who called recruiters bottomfeeders. They do what they can to get people in cause they are under pressure, but that is no excuse.

THe military gets something like 3 billion a year just for marketing. They are targeting your kids. Just think what we could do with that money, in terms of education, day care, whatever?

Oh, and just for the record...if you are a young person who has signed on the dotted line, but you are having doubts, you are not legally bound by that contract UNTIL you go to bootcamp. I dont care what your recruiter tells you. Just dont go to bootcamp. All that happens is they tear up your contract, maybe curse your name a bit, then move on to the next unsuspecting sap.

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canyon_wren 7 years, 5 months ago

I think the MOST that should be allowed recruiters is to have their pamphlets available where various college pamphlets are, in school counseling offices, etc. It's not like these kids live in a vacuum, where they don't know about the option of military service. I am not a "peace-nik," although I think this war is a big mistake, but I don't see any purpose for soliciting kids this way.

It's difficult to understand ANY connection between students opposing contact with recruiters and having one's name in the yearbook, etc. I can't believe that is REALLY a situation of either-or. Does anyone know personally that this has actually happened to students?

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juliopac 7 years, 5 months ago

Smarmy SchoolMarm,

GOOD FOR YOU! These recruiters are desperate. A special ed classroom? Thank goodness you were there. You probably saved a couple lives.

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Pywacket 7 years, 5 months ago

Grrrrrrrr... Guess everybody knows my answer to the question itself today.

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Pywacket 7 years, 5 months ago

Amen to everything Schoolmarm said! I loathe those bottom-feeding, lying recruiters.

Nothing wrong with joining up, bowhunter, if that's what someone wants to do and they are FULLY INFORMED and not painted a false picture of what to expect.

Recruiters--just like Amway salesmen, TV fundamentalists, and used-car dealers--do NOT fully inform or give an honest account of what the "joiner upper" is in for. Trolling the high schools for innocent, wide-eyed, impressionable victims should be off limits to ALL these vultures.

I make sure my 17-year-old is well aware of how dumbya's dirty little war is going. He watches The Daily Show, listens to NPR, and reads the paper, among other things. He and his friends have better things to do with their lives than sacrifice them for NOTHING in a country we had no business invading.

This is NOT our fathers' or grandfathers' war. In the 1940s, joining up was essential, and the cause noble. Joining up really meant DEFENDING our country, not being used as a pawn for a dim little man's personal yee-haw.

This time, our kids are being lied to. Risks are glossed over, while recruiters paint this rosy picture of military benefits, valuable skills learned, and so on. Kids who don't have college funds are especially vulnerable. And those are the main ones being sucked in. (You don't see Barbara & Jenna in uniform, do you?) That they are being preyed upon in the schools, which should be safe havens from predators of every stripe, is appalling.

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Bone777 7 years, 5 months ago

zzzzz, zzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzz huh, what?

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ladysilk 7 years, 5 months ago

Another nifty rider on another piece of crap federal legislation...and we are surprised why?

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acg 7 years, 5 months ago

Absolutely not! This is a ridiculous rule. But then again, 80% of rules and laws are just that.

I also wanted to ask, don't you people ever sleep? I'm always seeing posts in the middle of the night. Do you have night jobs or insomnia or what? I can't even remember the last time I was up at 3:00 a.m. It sucks to be old. :(

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trinity 7 years, 5 months ago

well heck R_I, i guess if part of a water gardener's duties include removal of pond scum, then my job in the court systerm is akin to being a water gardener! :)

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concernedparent 7 years, 5 months ago

wow, I went to school with Megan. She's really came a long way....

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

sgt,

RE: Any guesses on the duties of the first and third?

Water Gardener: Develop diverse aquatic plant assemblages and extraordinary displays in naturalized environments, water garden settings, and containers. Includes aquatic plant selection, propagation, installation, and removal of pond scum.

Manager of Special Services: Assign resources, and monitor progress of services that are special.

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trinity 7 years, 5 months ago

sgt i sure don't know about being a water gardener; i think i missed that particular line of study when perusing college catalogues! ;)

i can't resist a smarmy comment-being a water gardener must contribute to one's appearance becoming somewhat waxen-figure like, after a period of time. :)

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optimist 7 years, 5 months ago

The policy they refer to is simply a clause in the bill that is meant to prevent the district from creating an exclusion policy for military recruiters. Given what has been done in school districts like Seattle and San Francisco it was necessary to protect the military recruiters from being singled out by the school authorities.

If a child has no interest in joining the military when they come calling all they need to do is say they aren't interested and ask the recruiter to not call on them again. The recruiter will not waste his or her time with a prospect that displays a strong opposition to enlistment and will move on. Frankly it is much to do about nothing. These kids are simply making a political statement and using it to propel them into their 15 minutes. They've succeeded, good for them.

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jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

Nothings wrong with them talking to a kid. Everythings wrong with punishing kids for making a decision to not pursue a military career.

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snuffysmif 7 years, 5 months ago

Conscription is an unpleasant thought, but it might be the next big thing, regardless of who wins the elections.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

All along I thought "No Child Left Behind" dealt with making sure kids didn't miss the bus.

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lunacydetector 7 years, 5 months ago

i think the whole controversy comes from the fact that some wacko people do not want schools to allow military recruiters on their campus at all.

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Bowhunter99 7 years, 5 months ago

All men (with US citizenship) between 18 and 25 are legally required to register with the SSS within 30 days of reaching eligibility. Men can register via mail, over the Internet, at the post office or with a high school Selective Service Registrar. Until that happens, they should not be able to register to vote and drive until they have fulfilled their obligation.

What's wrong with a recruiter talking to your son or daughter?

It's not a hassle to serve on the US Armed Forces. It's both a duty and an Honor to do so.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

It is a good day for OTS vocations. Any guesses on the duties of the first and third?

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jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

I didn't even know about this, and it disgusts me to find out that it exists. I got a fairly easy pass on the pushy recruiters through high-school since I blew out my back at the ripe old age of 13, but anyone should be able to say they don't want to deal with it, and not have opportunities stripped away from them. I'm not easily drawn into conspiricy theories, but this reeks of military-industrial complex.

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Smarmy_Schoolmarm 7 years, 5 months ago

Something that bothers me very much about about this is something I saw last year in a local rural high school.

There was a military recruiter in the special eduction lab.

I sat and listened to him for as long as I could before I had to speak up. He painted such a rosy picture of what being in the military is like and in my opinion criminally downplayed the hazards.

I brought up the fact that our country is at war and asked a lot of questions that he didn't have good answers for, including body counts on both sides.
All he had to parry with was military rhetoric.

I think it's despicable that recruiters are allowed such access at all, let alone to vulnerable students who might see this as a glamorous option to vocational school or college which very likely would be a struggle.

This wasn't an organized presentation, but a guy in a spiffy uniform walking right into the classroom, interrupting the classwork, being a good ol' boy, sitting on desks and in general disrupting what was going on.

School is where we send our children to be educated, not coerced into bad decisions that could have such an incredibly negative impact on their lives, and the lives of those who love them.

Parents need to ask questions, find out who is coming into their children's classrooms, find out about the incredibly lax access that is given to their children.

Yes I am a liberal and yes I am anti-war, but I'm also pro-child.

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Gootsie 7 years, 5 months ago

WOW - did anyone sleep last night?

I absolutely have no idea what the question means. I guess I should read the article.

Nope.

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

The recruiter thing should never have been part of No Child Left Behind. Students are subjected to phone calls from recruiters who come off like telemarketers. It should NOT cut students off from opportunities.

Those BUSH neocon republicans come up with rather strange ideas. VOTE THEM OUT and demand of new legislators that NCLB be scrapped or rewritten.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

Found it, never mind. Must be 3:00AM or something.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

Did the rather spirited discussion of the attempted breakin at the Pig get disappeareded? I was just over on the crime blotter page & that story didn't seem to have any comments now.

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lunacydetector 7 years, 5 months ago

for military recruiter and opt out students who should.

thank you, LD

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Bone777 7 years, 5 months ago

LJW Question read at 1:55am "Should students who opt out of military recruiter"

Fill in the blank; have to take an STD test... have to file a restraining order...... know the difference between a good touch and a bad touch...

Hell, I don't know. Nice question.

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JHawker 7 years, 5 months ago

this makes no sense... can anyone fill in the missing words?

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Well, at least when I amke typos I can say that I have only nine fingers, one eye and am dyslexic.

thanks.

Marion.

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