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Did you experience any school rivalry when you were in high school?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on October 20, 2006

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“There was more rivalry in academics than in sports. It was more about which school was more prestigious and which students would get into a better college.”

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“No. I wasn’t very involved in sports, though. Perhaps there was a rivalry and I didn’t know about it.”

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“I grew up in Iola and we had a big sports rivalry with Chanute and Humboldt. It seemed like you couldn’t walk through either town without someone trying to pick a fight, especially if you were wearing a jersey.”

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“No. I grew up in Westfield, Mass., and everything was really very peaceful.”

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sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

The game isn't quite a month away, TOB. It's getting thick up here. In a couple weeks I expect to start seeing the cute sports page stories about Michigan fans in Columbus (I know two of them personally) and Ohio State fans in Ann Arbor (I know one of them, too). They happen every year.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

Dang, sue. You guys take it seriously. We only had our bus tires slashed at a football game. And that may not have been so much a rivarly as it was just a ill-tempered community.

R_I, I had the same thought about BPD. I was beginning to worry about bob.

beatrice 11 years, 8 months ago

I don't recall any major rivalry, with the exception of maybe who had the best price on a lid (if you are too young to know what that is, don't ask).

Bob is dead! Long live Bob!

(I apologize to the one and only Original Bob, of course. In your case, TOB, just read the end of the above proclaimation.)

acg 11 years, 8 months ago

I'm so happy to see bobpartdeux was here this a.m. Have fun in the woods!

I wasn't a cheerleader so much as the girl that beat cheerleaders up, so no I didn't take part in any school rivalry stuff. I just wasn't a school spirit type of kid. It interfered with my hatred.

mom_of_three 11 years, 8 months ago

Oh yeah, there was a high school rivalry. I didn't take part in any of the pranks, but there were some every year before the big games.
As I am from Ark City, our big rival was Winfield.
Of course that was over 20 years ago, and maybe things have changed since then.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

RI, you are so completely wrong (again). It was my beloved school that got the disemboweled pig rolled down the front steps. We simply burned our school initials with acid into the other school's lawn, painted their golden eagle a beautiful shade of royal blue, then egged their cheerleaders in their own homecoming parade. Just all in good fun.

BPD, Welcome back. :o* (that's supposed to look like a smooch or something) Tell you what, hurry on up to Lawrence, turn right at the tee pees and left at the fork in the road and come eat a pumpkin praline muffun just out of the oven with me. Then you can have some of the chocolate chip pumpkin muffins that just got done also...couldn't help it...I had one of those BIG cans of pumpkin so it had to be done.

TOB, I so want to see you Lindy hop!

Topside 11 years, 8 months ago

"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missour-ah." -Grandpa Abe Simpson

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

TOB, I'm just repeating rumors. That's all.

bucks: 57-39-6. The first number is not Ohio State.

Also, from 1996-2005, did you know it's actually split 5-5? I'm glad you're proud of your four out of five, but don't let your memory get too short: the five years before that, it was exactly the opposite. In fact, the last time the Buckeyes won four out of five was in the early 60s. Michigan has taken four out of five twice in the last twenty years.

sourpuss 11 years, 8 months ago

I went to LHS back when they were good at football (ie, before Free State opened). Boy, we hated Olathe North. They were our only real threat. In my three years at LHS, we lost one football game and that was to Olathe North. Grrr!

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

R_I, no sound at work. I'll listen at home.

TOB, having rival states is just a part of life. I mean, for me as a Michigander, Ohio is simply a punchline.

ScottHawk 11 years, 8 months ago

"There was more rivalry in academics than in sports. It was more about which school was more prestigious and which students would get into a better college."

It's about time we cultivate this sort of energy in American secondary education. I'm a sports fan by all means, but I'm afraid academics (e.g. Mangino's pay raise) is becoming less and less the focus.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

sgt, with 4 highschools in the town, there was much sport. Them were the days of burning giant effigies before games. Ah, glory days! Do they still do that?

What am I going to do with all these muffins? I feel like Izzy on "Gray's Anatomy."

ms_canada 11 years, 8 months ago

Hoohah - our bobby is back. But I still think the name needs to return. Rivalries - of course, por supuesto, amigos. The gals against the guys, always. What fun and hoopla.

Grundoon Luna 11 years, 8 months ago

Isn't that "pretty and witty and GA-A-A-A-A-Y"

LHS was the only school in town when I went, or didn't because I was busy with a lid, but we did talk a lot of smack on Eudora at the time.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

Wait a second, R_I -- who's going to cut off one of my hands? I have two hands right now.

Kuku_Kansas 11 years, 8 months ago

The Italian and Mexican kids never liked each other at all...and finally had an all-out riot one afternoon after school.

Quite a rivalary I'd say.

bucks1 11 years, 8 months ago

Oh really sgtwolverine? Last I remebered the Buckeyes took two in a row from your maize and blue and four of the last five. How do you spell the Michigan head coaches name? LLLLoyd Carr. One L for each loss to Coach Tressell.

jonas 11 years, 8 months ago

ScottHawk: "It's about time we cultivate this sort of energy in American secondary education."

Good luck with that.

classclown 11 years, 8 months ago

On the west side I was in a song and dance team known as the Jets. We had a big rivalry with another song and dance team known as the Sharks.

jonas 11 years, 8 months ago

At the time, the rivalry I perceived to exist was "me" vs. "everyone else."

I would like to add my name to the "re-instate OMB" list. Don't understand the logic behind his getting yanked. Nor for Even Money, if he got yanked at some point. There are certainly worse voices out there still posting.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

What is it with the musicians and not knowing about rivalries?

Since I help with the local high school football team, I still experience a couple school rivalries. It's not the same as actually being in school, but it's good enough for me.

Oh, and R_I, to answer your question from yesterday: no thumbs. I am not sure I know the song you referenced. You'll have to come up with some other method of evaluation.

cutny 11 years, 8 months ago

Hmmm...what's the scandal? Who got the boot from the boards? Let's hear it. We all need a little Friday morning scuttlebutt.

Bone777 11 years, 8 months ago

I went to LHS and Shawnee Mission West was the big rival. There was a huge brawl, following one of their basketball games. The LHS kids that ran had lumps on their backs and the ones that fought had lumps on their fronts.

Welcome back Bob.

H_Lecter 11 years, 8 months ago

It was very enjoyable; we skinned them alive.

betti81 11 years, 8 months ago

OTS: in high school, Valley Falls and McLouth were our big rivals. unfortunately for me personally, our girls teams were pretty pathetic at the time, so a rivalry was not really any fun. Boys basketball on the other hand was where the real rivalries were during my four years.

college: Muck Fizzou!

acg: aren't you from Oskaloosa? don't tell me you didn't hate those Valley girls? (and guys for that matter)

sue: Izzy has moved onto breakfast and is JUST FINE thank you very much :)

Calliope877 11 years, 8 months ago


Hi. I'm from Oskaloosa. I remember the Valley Falls and McLouth rivalry, although I wasn't really into sports. I think JCN, Jeff West, and Perry were our rivals too...Oskaloosans hate everyone. L

Calliope877 11 years, 8 months ago

acg -

I wasn't the school spirit type either. All our cheerleaders were ugly...and all our jocks were a**holes.

roger_o_thornhill 11 years, 8 months ago

Either Cedar Hill or Waxahachie--I can't remember. At BC I think it was either Baker or Rockhurst or both.

betti81 11 years, 8 months ago

Calliope877--it is funny, but that is so true. I had a lot of friends from JCN, so i don't really remember any rivalries there. our cheerleaders were not all that great, but our pom girls were hotties ;) easy on the jocks, you might consider me one, and i was (am) no a-hole. (at least i didn't think so :-)

acg 11 years, 8 months ago

Actually betti, I moved to Oskie my junior year, from LHS, so I hated everyone. Every single backwoods, country bumpkin that came into school with poop on his boots made my head want to explode. And they all hated me too. I didn't own a single article of clothing that wasn't black and I was the only kid in the entire school that smoked cigarettes so you can imagine the love they had for me, as well.

I hung with a guy from Valley, though. He used to make homemade dynamite. Boy do I have some stories. I didn't hate the people in Valley, they were cooler to me than the people in Oskie were. And, they had better weed. :)

Bea, the lid reference was awesome, btw.

"Dave's not here!" :)

heysoos 11 years, 8 months ago

Not totally on topic, but since it relates to the difference between modern youth and most of the rest of us:

I'm worried about my future. Not because I may not have social security. Not because China might invade the U.S. Not because of North Korea or global warming or any of that other crap most people worry about when the think about the future. I'm worried because the people who will be taking care of my old ass, the adults of tomorrow, are going to be pansies.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

betti, but the muffins were breakfast..does that count? And Meridith so made the wrong choice! I'd pick Chris O'Donnel as Fin over McDreamy any day!

I want to hear TOB sing "I'm a Lumberjack and I'm OK."

acg 11 years, 8 months ago

McDreamy is hot, that is for sure but Fin is hot and nice and good to animals and her friends. That's the trifecta of a good guy, IMHO. I would take Fin any day, too SunnySue. Plus it's going to bite her in the butt in the end because McDreamy isn't going to want her now.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

acg, just remember: if tv characters made good decisions, they wouldn't be on tv. Well-adjusted people do not make for well-rated tv shows.

Tony Kisner 11 years, 8 months ago

I'm grateful that we have a Tourist from Russia, and I apologize for any offense I will no doubt distribute.

I need translate her message "We were so self absorbed that we failed to notice anything else other than ourselves. Even though we self proclaimed our superior knowledge over others, hence the rivalry, we in Russia still seem to live in a country that is barley evolved from the feudal dark ages. If on occasion we have a rival such a Georgia we simple cut off their supply of natural resources, attempt to poison its leader, or failing that, simply invade to liberate fellow nationalist Russians living in the oppressive rival."

betti81 11 years, 8 months ago

acg: how much changed since you were there. everyone smoked and wore black. aahhh, tormented youth. someday i miss it ;( --there was still plenty of poop on those boys boots though.

sue: i'll give you a pass on the muffins. i knew self destructive meredith would pick mcdreamy and of course now he won't want her. (not being the better man and all). paving the way for another george and meredith encounter. (i hope for george's sake, she waits to cry until after he leaves the room;)

tee hee--grey's...

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

sgt, RI and family would make for awesome reality TV viewing!!! Think it over, RI. It might be worth mucho dinero. :) Even better, stick his family and mine in a small cramped house for like two days and see who's able to walk away.

Tychoman 11 years, 8 months ago

Hot Shots Part Deux? It takes place between Iraq and A Hard Place, if I'm not mistaken. BAhahahaha!

LHS: Only main rivalry was Free State. Not so much with O-North because they always smoked us. It was more a "Olathe North? Oh no!" It's good to know that Free State's sports are finally getting good enough to provide an interesting game against LHS.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

betti, yes, crying during is so impolite. I happen to like George. He's hot also, in a geeky, boy next door sort of way. Inexplicably hot!

Linda Aikins 11 years, 8 months ago

Hi y'all! I'm in Texas now so I have to do the y'allspeak.

Ashland was rivals with Protection. And I was a rival with Cookie Bisel, but I always got the man.

Life was good. Still is.

(kisses domestic unit with both feet NOT on the floor.)

mom_of_three 11 years, 8 months ago

Man, Sue, your pranks were tough. Ours was tp'ing their mascot or putting purple light covers on the lights on the football field, so the lights would be purple, (our colors). (This is only what I heard). They would paint graffiti on our school mascot, and things like that.

acg 11 years, 8 months ago

I knew the angst and hatred would catch up with those farm kids eventually. It always takes a few years for things to show up out in the country, ya know. Hey, I may have started a trend. ; )

I find it funny to look back at those days now and see where we all were. My best friend now was a cheerleader back then and she thought I was the scariest girl and I thought she was a bubble headed twit.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

Ah, Py, Loy Norrix. One of my favorite school names. I don't know why. It just is.

Which school did you go to?

bucks1 11 years, 8 months ago

That's great sgtwolverine...but as I'm sure you're aware...stats can say anything you want....those all time wins include a whole bunch between 1900-1920 for Michigan (I doubt you were around for those stellar seasons)...look at the record since 1960...OSU 22....Mich 21...Ties 2

So- pretty even wouldn't you say?

Now-let's look at records over the last 10 national championship a piece and OSU went 96-28 while UM went 93-30. Close but OSU still gets the nod...

I would guess you'll stick to your all-time record- which that plus 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee. You have to rely on those historical numbers because you have no current success to fall back on.

And you know how you get to Ann Arbor from Columbus right? North till you smell it, West till you step in it.

bucks1 11 years, 8 months ago

py- no issues here...just a displaced Buckeyes fan that won't idly stand by while some inbred hick from Michigan wants to bash the Buckeyes...that's all. (Think KU-MU in basketball)

sgtwolverine 11 years, 8 months ago

TOB: Schembechler is revered in Ann Arbor; the funny thing is that he never actually won a national championship. I always like to mention that when angry fans criticize the current coach (who does have one). I like Bo, but I want to make sure we know his shortcomings, too.

Py: I'm further east, actually. I'm from Chelsea, just west of Ann Arbor. I just like to follow high school football, and some names tend to stick out, either because they're quite successful (like half the Grand Rapids schools) or because they're cool (Loy Norrix).

Bucks: You are quite correct stats can say anything you want, which is the reason I began with the overall series record. That's the one number that hasn't endured any filters.

I'm not sure why you're discounting the wins from the early 1900s. Whether or not you believe they are valid, they count just as much as wins now. If you're going to arbitrarily discount certain eras, then there's no reason I couldn't say that the games from the early 2000s aren't really relevant, so let's discount them in this discussion, too. Then you'd be down your four wins and one national championship, and you probably wouldn't be too happy about that. All the games matter or none of the games matter. If none of the games matter, neither one of us has a leg to stand on; if they all matter, then the Buckeyes are still down in the series.

Further, you said we "have no current success to fall back on." If you mean no current success against OSU, then, well, the game hasn't happened yet this year, so no one has any current success. If you mean no current success at all, then, well, I don't see a loss in Michigan's record this year. If you mean recent success, then, well, as you noted, over the last ten years, the two programs are quite even in every regard, which means if Michigan has no recent success, then neither does Ohio State.

classclown 11 years, 8 months ago

Easy_Does_It I'm glad to see somebody got it.

Ceallach 11 years, 8 months ago

"and I pity any girl that isn't me tonight!"

I attended LHS back in the glory days, the Lions were undefeated for 5 years (I think, if not very nearly 5 :) They even had a spread in Life magazine. Our main rivalry was with Topeka High School.

Ours was a kinder, gentler high school experience. The really bad kids drank 5% beer shock and everyone knew that if you smoked pot you would become some kind of zombie :):)

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

RI, Those who live on hills should not cast stones...they make too easy of targets.

beatrice 11 years, 8 months ago

RI: Sometimes, That '70s Show hits a little too close to home. Especially with the scenes of "hanging out" in the basement. Frisbees, stones, clips, paper, even the occassional old Coke can -- many things could be considered a tool.

Calliope877 11 years, 8 months ago

betti -

I'm sorry, maybe not ALL the jocks were a**holes, but a lot of them were.:(

acg - I think I might have started the all black thing...sorry about that. I didn't wear black because I thought it was cool, I wore it because I was really depressed and I hated Oskie. When I was going to school everyone wore penny loafers, doc m's, Tommy Hillfiger (sp?), and everything else they could find from the Gap or Old Navy....nothing against those stores of course.

And, I agree, Valley Falls people did have better weed...

Do you mind me asking what year you graduated? You don't have to say if you don't want to. I graduated in 1995.

Ceallach 11 years, 8 months ago

Irish_Prince: or floorboard, whichever applied :)

betti81 11 years, 8 months ago

Calliope--you graduated the year i moved there. it was a weird school. my sister was a freshman then and had such a hard time fitting in b/c she didn't have an z-cavarichi (sp?) jeans to roll at the ankles. how silly!

Calliope877 11 years, 8 months ago

betti81 -

Yeah, that was the kind of stupid crap I grew up with. I have no idea what Oskie is like now, but when I was there it really sucked: if you didn't have a pair of Keds, Doc M's, Nikes, or some other dumb preppy shoe, you weren't cool; if you didn't have a pair of "Guess" or "Z-Cavarichis" (I can't spell it either, and it doesn't matter since they're not "IN" anymore -- and probably never were), then you weren't cool; if you didn't have bangs or style your hair in some retarded, out-dated 80s fashion, then you weren't cool.

I hated school. Oskaloosa sucks. I'm glad I survived it without losing my sanity.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 8 months ago

This is rediculous! The hubby slipped me some non-decaf today and now I'm up when I should be blissfully snuggled in. (I hope he's tossing and turning w/out me!) That'll teach him. Or not... Well anyway, happy freakin' Saturday, everyone! I demand a nap today. I get cranky when I don't get enough sleep. I guess I'll go eat a muffin.

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