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What do you think of Donald Rumsfeld stepping down?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 9, 2006

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“I’m not surprised. It was inevitable. I just think it happened now because the Republicans took a well-deserved beating.”

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“I think a clean slate is a good slate as far as a plan of action for the war is concerned.”

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“I think it’s about time. Clearly his policies haven’t worked. The situation in Iraq is a disaster, and there is no way the president could function in the last two years of his term with Rumsfeld as secretary of defense.”

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“He certainly hasn’t been a popular secretary of defense, but I really don’t know if it will be a good thing or a bad thing. There is always somebody worse.”

Comments

TJ_in_Lawrence 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure I heard him use the term "volunteer army" in reference to Vietnam, though. - Crazyks

I'll be sure and mark this down as a direct quote for future reference. "I'm pretty sure" that I could make up a line of stuff to support my view too.

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Mr_Ramirez 7 years, 5 months ago

I dont get it?

Arent things going as planned in Iraq?

Dont hang Saddam, put him back in power.

He's the only one that control all those whackos.

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Linda Endicott 7 years, 5 months ago

Knowing Bush's use (or misuse) of the English language, Craigers, it's hard to tell now, unless I can find an online source that has text of everything he said.

I'm pretty sure I heard him use the term "volunteer army" in reference to Vietnam, though. However, this could just have been one of his usual tongue-tripping mistakes.

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beatrice 7 years, 5 months ago

i_p: sgtw is telling the truth. He has flung plenty of dung at my beloved, though stumbling, Steelers (reigning, though not repeating, Champions).

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Azure_Attitude 7 years, 5 months ago

I know this. Your post indicates that the House will have a choice. They won't. It's a done deal.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

i_p, I try to save my impassioned dung-flinging for really important topics. Like football.

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beatrice 7 years, 5 months ago

OTTS: "Can you share with me the solution offered by those you support?"

For one, the Ds understand that what has been done already by those you support isn't working. It is one thing to make a mistake (war in Iraq), but another to insist that it isn't a mistake and that we all need to keep supporting doing the same exact thing. The years of lies coming out of Washington is getting our American soldiers killed, and it is time this stops. Sadly, we can't just run out of Iraq right now (thanks President Bush for that!), but we must develop an honest exit strategy. Those you support got us into this mess without an exit strategy -- why should they be allowed to stay?

"Staying the course" - the plan your party supports - isn't going to work, so it is time to get fresh ideas by non-oil company minds.

Further, those I support also believe in fiscal responsibility. Tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthy (Paris Hilton Relief Act, or what your people call the Death Tax) during a time of war isn't fiscally responsible, so it needs to change. How you, or those you support, can't see this is beyond me.

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ms_canada 7 years, 5 months ago

Like I said yesterday when TOB slipped us the news. WOO HOO!!! Yipee!!!

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75x55 7 years, 5 months ago

"I'm pleasantly amazed that this thread hasn't become a tangle of impassioned dung flinging."

George Soros isn't paying by the word anymore.

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Dale Stringer 7 years, 5 months ago

Azure - Congress is out of session until January.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm pleasantly amazed that this thread hasn't become a tangle of impassioned dung flinging.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

Py, ha! I've got a few people to whom I need to send that link. (although it's too true to really be THAT funny.)

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Pywacket 7 years, 5 months ago

In all fairness, we should let the man speak for himself:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55077

That said, yes--he should marry Britney. She'll need someone to ride around with her and make sure she straps those babies in their seats, doesn't leave them in the car for 8 hours while she's shopping or clubbing, etc.

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BrianR 7 years, 5 months ago

Gootsie, I think he should marry Britney too. I'm sure she'll get to keep the trailer and there'll be plenty of room after Fed-Ex is gone.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

Sweeper: "The lack of bi-partisianship is what has weakened us and that is completely from the democratic side of the aisle."

If we're going to be honest, neither side exhibits bi-partisanship.

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Kuku_Kansas 7 years, 5 months ago

I wrote that post much too early in the morning to make perfect sense.

I was just curious if, now that he has stepped down, he can be called before a hearing and share more information to a congressional hearing/press corps than if he were still a cabinet member? If he can, would he?

I'm still not sure what Kontum1972 was implying in his response to me.

DRI--Never thought of the KuKlux_Kansan look-alike. Gave me a whole new perspective on the name! I promise, no white supremacy sentiment here.

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OTSSweeper 7 years, 5 months ago

bea,

Can you share with me the solution offered by those you support? Your post is exactly my point - no viable solution offered. The same for the democrats in office for the last six years. The lack of bi-partisianship is what has weakened us and that is completely from the democratic side of the aisle. "Crocodile tears" is exactly the point - no solutions only insults...playing on the growing tabloid mentality of the U.S.

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werekoala 7 years, 5 months ago

You know, on an entertainment level, I sincerely enjoyed Rumsfeld's press conferences.

But on a level of competency, the man's management of the DoD was so bad, you have tons of ex-military guys like my father saying he's hurting our armed forces. And as the wheels continue to come off you have retired generals, some active duty officers, and even the Army Times coming out and saying "this guy has to go!"

It's not a matter of partisanship, he should have been dismissed when Bremer got the boot - the two of them are in my opinion very responsible for permitting the conditions that led to the insurgency to exist.

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beatrice 7 years, 5 months ago

75x: I'm being sarcastic, not literal.

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Irish_Prince 7 years, 5 months ago

Donald Rumsfeld was too old and too out of touch to run the Defense Department to begin with (back in '01).

His appointment was more than likely a political favor/payback for something Rumsfeld probably did for Bush, Sr. years before.

But having said that....I'm sure Rumsfeld isn't crying in his soup over this.

Halliburton probably called him on his cellphone (with a job offer) within the first 5 minutes of his announcement!

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Azure_Attitude 7 years, 5 months ago

Dude, the Dems don't get the house until January. Rummy left yesterday. You think they are going to wait until January to get Gates in there? Your logic isn't working.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

Marshall Field seems to have a hubbub of activity...

Quite a change from it's sleepiness of the past few months.

Is it just in preparation of troops planned rotation home, or something else?

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Dale Stringer 7 years, 5 months ago

Brilliant move by the President. You either make the Demo house agree with the first order of business you give them... or... you make them decide to keep someone they despise even longer if they go against you.

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craigers 7 years, 5 months ago

crazyks, I watched part of the announcement as well and he was comparing the wars since everybody keeps saying Iraq is like Vietnam. He was saying the Iraq war has a complete volunteer army but Vietnam didn't. He also said that during Vietnam, there wasn't as much troop support as there is now for the troops in Iraq. Don't get too excited. You probably mis-heard him.

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75x55 7 years, 5 months ago

"I think it's obvious nearly everyone in politics has a limited lifespan."

Excellent observation, sgt_wolverine!

"either you support the government and its actions or you are an anti-American who supports terrorism."

Not completely correct, ms beatrice. It's a matter of those who actively attempt to subvert and counter the government's efforts by non-legitimate means (leaks, active support of terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, etc.). Patriotic opposition has it's place and duty - it must be carefully done, however.

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bobberboy 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm just glad I don't have to look at his ugly smirking face anymore.

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Linda Endicott 7 years, 5 months ago

I don't think Rummy had a lot to do with the decision, armyguy. I think he fully intended to finish out Bush's term. And last week, that's exactly what Bush told us, too, that Rummy would be there till Bush left, although he knew at the time that he'd already talked to his replacement. Talk about lying to the American people.

I think it was a result of the elections on Tues. If the Republicans had won, Rumsfeld would still be there.

I was highly offended by something Bush said in his announcement, though. He compared the volunteer army in Iraq to the "volunteer" army during Vietnam...

Is the man a total loon? What volunteer army in Vietnam?? Although I'm sure there were many young men back then who did enlist, the grand majority of the ones sent to Vietnam were DRAFTED, not "volunteer" army!

Sheesh!

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beatrice 7 years, 5 months ago

sgt: You are correct. I was using similar language that has been used by the Reps and neo-cons for the past six years -- either you support the government and its actions or you are an anti-American who supports terrorism. Remember Ann Coulter's book "Treason"? Of all who have made such claims, I wonder how many will now follow their own advice and go along with everything the new government wants to do?

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armyguy 7 years, 5 months ago

I can't believe Rummy would cut and run when he can't play war with the Congress he wants, but the Congress he gets. Good riddance to the arrogant SOB.

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

Bonus points to sue for saying egads.

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The_Original_Bob 7 years, 5 months ago

Sue - Actually, not at all. But, since that was RI's response I think we need to open an investigation.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

E gads! Is that what TOB was insinuating? I just took it that I seem to take the blame for RI's OTS blunders. Bad, TOB, bad! Go enjoy your well-buttered, toasted biscuit and leave me alone. Goodness sakes!

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EirishHawk 7 years, 5 months ago

What a surprise, merrill still isn't happy.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

T_O_B, sue,

Concerning your 8:01 and 8:10 posts respectively...

"I have not had sexual relations with that woman"

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

"..Senior Bush was a decorated fighter Aviator during WW2.." Actually, he flew an Avenger, which was a torpedo bomber, not a fighter. The current President flew an F-102 Delta Dagger in the Air National Guard.

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november_sky 7 years, 5 months ago

I think he should now be forced to spend a few years in Iraq.....lightly armoured...and low on bullets.

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goatdog 7 years, 5 months ago

He's a fvcking war criminal and I hope to see him hang along with all the rest of the Bush cabal.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

T_O_B, Since yesterday was "Tragedy Day" one could come to that interpretation....

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libraffe 7 years, 5 months ago

Change is good. The unknown is scary. Rummy was an arrogant bull.

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Kontum1972 7 years, 5 months ago

KuKu...just exactly how many General Officers have you had a chat with concerning all of this...past and present?

How many do you know personally?

Rummy and BUsht never made through Command & General Staff College,,the Senior Bush was a decorated fighter Aviator during WW2...they could not find our busht jr during vietnam....he was at the bottom of a beer barrel hiding.....busht & rummy.. dont know squat about being a General Officer.

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craigers 7 years, 5 months ago

roger, I keep thinking the same thing, but I know nobody would do that, or let me rephrase I would hope nobody would do that for a screen name.

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roger_o_thornhill 7 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone else think of KuKlux_Kansan every time they see Kuku_Kansan? Sorry, its just lazy reading on my part. I also realized my brain was being lazy when I kept thinking of Darryl Gates when Bush announced his new SOD candidate. Remember that band SOD? The kids that liked DRI seemed to like them. Sorry, getting used to new schedule. Little too loopy.

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Marion Lynn 7 years, 5 months ago

Now we are given to understand that having anti-communists in positions of power in our government is bad.

WOO HOO!

Thanks.

Marion.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

I thought it was the Gweat & Powewful Wove who controlled everything at 1600 Penn. Avenue.

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Kontum1972 7 years, 5 months ago

john taber..said...

and there is no way the president could function in the last two years of his term with Rumsfeld as secretary of defense."

when has Bush functioned properly?

when a president uses the wordage...I'M THE DECIDER... and he manhandles the female President of Germany with his backrub in public there is only DISFUNCTION ....NOW EVERYONE IS DISTANCING THEMSELVES FROM THIS CLOWN......even his own party. There are quite a few unemployed people in DC at this very moment..LoL.

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

The medicine, Gates, may be worse than the disease.

[b]Gates was the head of the CIA during the Iran-Contra scandal, which is interesting, in light of Daniel Ortega's recent re-election to president in Nicaragua.

Gates was also known for his staunch suport of Reagan's anti-communist policies and for helping funnel extra funding thru secret channels to shore up military and other 'security' elements within the government. [/b]

Buyer beware.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1211-05.htm

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Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

James Baker III must have dropped by and TOLD GW that the 2008 white house is at stake. The he TOLD GW to bring on Gates.

Insiders trading

A significant portion of the millions of dollars U.S. companies and their politically influential executives have earned in deals with the Saudis has been through military contracts.

The Carlyle Group had a major stake in the large defense contractor B.D.M., which has multimillion-dollar contracts through its subsidiaries to train and manage the Saudi National Guard and the Saudi air force, U.S. Department of Defense records show. In 1998, Carlyle sold its controlling interest in B.D.M. to defense giant TRW International.

Meanwhile, the boards of directors of the Carlyle Group, B.D.M. and TRW are all stocked with high-level Republican policy makers.

Frank C. Carlucci, a former secretary of defense under President Reagan, was chairman of B.D.M. for most of the 1990s. Carlucci, who also served as Reagan's national security adviser and a deputy director of the CIA, now heads the Carlyle Group.

Along with former President Bush, other officials from past Republican administrations now at the Carlyle Group include: former Secretary of State James A. Baker III; ex-budget chief Richard Darman; and former Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt.

President Bush is himself linked to the Carlyle group: He was a director of one of its subsidiaries, an airline food services company called Caterair, until 1994. Six years later, when Bush was governor of Texas, the board of directors of the Texas teachers' pension fund - some of whom were his appointees - voted to invest $100 million with the Carlyle Group.

The president of B.D.M. is Philip A. Odeen, a former high-level Pentagon official in the Nixon administration. During the Clinton administration, Odeen chaired the Pentagon task force that planned the restructuring of the U.S. military for the 21st century. Currently, he is the vice-chair of the Defense Science Board, which advises the Pentagon on emerging threats.

TRW, the new owner of B.D.M., has its own noteworthy board members, including former CIA director Robert M. Gates and Michael H. Armacost, who served as undersecretary of state under President Reagan and as ambassador to Japan for former President Bush.

Big Saudi money also makes its way back to Texas and the Bush family. The family of Saudi Arabia's longtime U.S. ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz, gave $1 million to the Bush Presidential Library in College Station, Texas.

The revolving door: http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.htm... http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/...

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Ceallach 7 years, 5 months ago

"The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones; So let it be with" Rumsfeld.

I think his resignation was best for the nation, and hopefully for the war on terror.

i_p, yes, there will surely be investigation after investigation come 2007. The Reps did the same thing when they took control. I think it is similar to the instinct of dogs and wolves to remark their territory after an interloper has been there, or maybe I just watch too much Animal Planet :)

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The_Original_Bob 7 years, 5 months ago

I thought WATB Amnesty Day was yesterday? RI - Can I get a ruling?

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

Bea: "Come on, it is time to admit that things have gone poorly in several areas and embrace and support the new government. It is the American thing to do!"

Do you really expect something like that? I think you know politics better than to expect that from either side.

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Azure_Attitude 7 years, 5 months ago

OTSS, that was the most ignorant post I have read in months. You are truly uninformed! "Best man for the job?" Are you kidding me? That like saying that Phred would be the best man to organize next Spring's Gay Pride parade!!

Oh, and, c'mon, Kuku, blame the generals? The generals directly stated what they needed and niether Bush or Rummy felt that it was important to give that to them. Iraq is a mess and there is nobody to blame but Bush and Rummy. Bush saying that he listens to his generals on the ground was a totally spurious statement!!!

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The_Original_Bob 7 years, 5 months ago

IP - Wow. The wreck of the old 97. I think I'm going to sit here and enjoy my delicious toasted biscuit and listen to Johnny Cash. Unless I can find some Flatt and Scruggs on the inet.

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sunflower_sue 7 years, 5 months ago

TOB, he still has that relationship with me. It seems to work, though. Also, Rummy still plans to speak today...or, at least he was still planning on it yesterday, but we all know the difference a day can make.

Rummy stepping down is a good thing. Now, if a few others will follow suit, maybe the janitors can come in and try to sweep up this mess.

Gootsie- "I think he should marry Britney." Never saw that one coming! Too funny!

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

Investigate everybody for everything. The roles of the Bush family in the wreck of the old 97 and the loss of the Macon are still unexplored.

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The_Original_Bob 7 years, 5 months ago

"The first thing to do is to find an appropriate patsy... Second distance yourself from the situation."

RI - That sounds like the relationship you had with Sue.

The annual Landon Lecture is supposed to be at KSU today. Guest speaker is Donny. Does anyone know if that is still the case?

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beatrice 7 years, 5 months ago

RI: "Plan B" -- very funny!

OTTS: And you call the Democrats whiners? The only thing your last post was missing was a puddle of crocodile tears at the bottom of it. You are bad-mouthing those who aren't even in office yet. Why not give them the courtesy they deserve and see if they can be effective before you trash them? Come on, it is time to admit that things have gone poorly in several areas and embrace and support the new government. It is the American thing to do!

Rumsfeld needed to do this a long time ago. How could anyone support a secretary of defense who is bogged down in the middle of a civil war three years after the leader in chief declared mission accomplished?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

We already answered this question on Sept 29th.

How do you make amends once you realize you've made a mistake?

Posted by RETICENT_IRREVERENT on September 29, 2006 at 6:18 a.m.

The first thing to do is to find an appropriate patsy... Second distance yourself from the situation.

If you do a good job setting up everything, your home free... Oh, and practice those five words.... Senator, I have no recollection....

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sgtwolverine 7 years, 5 months ago

I think it's obvious nearly everyone in politics has a limited lifespan.

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OTSSweeper 7 years, 5 months ago

It's a real shame that the best man for the job had to resign just because the democrats are impatient. I've heard them whining, but haven't heard any intelligent proposals from that side. What a party of cowards. Think they'll come up with a good solution in the next two years? ...I don't either. fricking unintelligent cowards and babies! Maybe Joe Biden can plagerize someone else's plan.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 7 years, 5 months ago

I think Rumsfeld "resigning' was Bush's "PLAN B" morning after pill...

Can you call it an abortion?

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jonas 7 years, 5 months ago

I think it's good he's gone, but it would have been better had he resigned back when he started showing signs of under-performance, not as a conciliatory gesture after blowing an election.

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Gootsie 7 years, 5 months ago

I think he should marry Britney.

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innocuous_posts 7 years, 5 months ago

"By stepping down, does this make him more apt to devulge sensitive information that may reveal damaging information to the President and his administration? Just curious." Has he had an offer from the New York Times?

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macon47 7 years, 5 months ago

SO, the war is over? the democrats are bringing everyone home? whats going on? i thought they had a plan? it has been two days? cant they sober up kennedy or what?

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Kuku_Kansas 7 years, 5 months ago

Sounded as if he sure took much of the blame in his resignation speech last night.

Not so sure all the blame was his alone. He is a civilian administrator over the department. Why didn't the generals get any blame or criticism?

By stepping down, does this make him more apt to devulge sensitive information that may reveal damaging information to the President and his administration? Just curious.

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oldgranny 7 years, 5 months ago

I think its a good thing. Just too bad it took so long. And how about Condi? She hasn't been the best either.

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