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Are you disappointed that C.J. Giles has been kicked off the KU basketball team?
Asked at Jefferson's Restaurant, 743 Mass. on November 8, 2006
“No. I was never really a big fan of his in the first place to be honest. He’s good, but I don’t agree with his decisions.”
“No. I’m not really surprised. I was more surprised that they let him back on the team.”
“Yes. I guess I just expected more out of him. He had a good record being here for three years, and this seems like it kind of came out of nowhere.”
“No. He should be kicked off. He’s lucky Bill Self let him back on the team in the first place, and he already blew it.”
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Kuku_Kansas (anonymous) says…
After the police report detailed the events AFTER he had been reinstated to the team...
...NO.
I certainly hope he gets his life back in order, quickly.
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
I'm disappointed that he didn't see what he had. I agree that dismissal was the only choice, given he allegedly messed up within a few hours of being told to stop messing up.
We sat courtside last night- those guys are TALL!!!
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Once a player, always a player?
sgtwolverine (anonymous) says…
Not in the least.
[Insert Self joke here.]
blue73harley (anonymous) says…
I'm only disappointed that he didn't go out in a bigger ball of flames. Whatever happened to the good old knife fights or getting stuck in the window of a drive-thu? Now THAT is KU athletics at it's finest.
trinity (anonymous) says…
not even a little bit. and i agree, it's a shame this guy didn't realize his gifts and act accordingly!
courtside, gootsie?? too cool! :)
ohjayhawk (anonymous) says…
I agree with Gootsie. I'm disappointed that C.J. didn't take advantage of the second chance given him. After the first suspension, Coach Self said that the whole story wasn't being told. I think C.J. has many deep-seated issues he has to take care of before them ruins his life more than they already have. I also agree with Coach Self's statement, "I care that he does well, but not at Kansas."
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
I know T. It won't happen again for a while, I'm sure. I sat directly behind Chris Piper. We were fortunate enough to be given the seats by domestic unit's friends.
Harley, you are a wild man!
Off to dentist! Cool!
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Not at all. The kid has been a punk from day one and never showed any promise of being a decent human being much less a man. I really hope he gets his life turned around.
The funny part about this is he's going to wake up in January and wonder where all the free sorority girls went to. As Old Enuf said yesterday, "They are sleeping with the jersey, not you."
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Nope!
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Did some one just bark?
geppetto (anonymous) says…
NO but I wish someone can support and help him get his act together
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Maybe his band days led him down the wrong path. Isn't he way too old to be playing b.ball? With lyrics like "my angel is the centerfold," we should have been forwarned!
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
RI, someone is in mean spirits this morning. Did your candidates lose? :(
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
RI is just sad that his statistical ponderings were shot out of the water by Damn Bea!
beatrice (anonymous) says…
Who knew Giles was a Republican?
craigers (anonymous) says…
Nope. Self would have had a lot of respect lost if he didn't boot CJ after that incident. It is sad that any athlete would waste an all expense paid trip through college on playing multiple women while needing to pay support to another. Wow...
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
IP - I am not sure if you get Sirius or have access, but Kinky will be on Mojo Nixon's show at 4 today. In fact, even if you don't get Sirius, you can do a free 3 day trial over the internets on the desktop calculator.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
sue,
Just go cook something.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Giles,
One more senseless casualty of the Pringle principle....
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
Sorry? I'm never sorry to see an abusive thug brought down. Even if he "only" did what he has so far confessed to (grabbing a woman by the ankles and dragging her out the door), does this not strike people as waaaaaaay aberrant and disturbing?
Even in the squirmy scenario where a GF is about to catch someone with another female, it would never cross most men's minds to do something so brutal, cowardly, and reactionary. This guy is seriously disturbed.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with our society revering young men more for their sports prowess than for their humanity. Oh, nooooo...
And what a pom squad of pollyannas we have here and on yesterday's comment boards--do you REALLY think women will avoid this thug like the poison he is? Reality check. Volunteer at a few women's shelters for enlightenment on cheating abusive men being shunned by women. Would that it were true!
Sadly, it is more likely that the same cheated-on GF will take his sorry a** back, believing he will "change for her"... Then when he's gotten pi$$ed at her a few too many times, leading her to learning ever-more creative bruise cover-ups, he'll dump her (or keep her on the back burner) for the next cutie.
If you think these misguided women are just attracted by a jersey--look around and disabuse yourself of that myth.
This thug (like thousands of other, unknown thugs) will have no trouble reeling in victims, whether he's a b-ball star or a 3rd-shift dishwasher with an equal number of teeth and brain cells.
Call me a pessimist (I prefer "realist"), but it's hard to ignore statistics, news accounts, and the occasional acquaintance who clings to this kind of abusive trash, often with horrific results. How could you even THINK that his ejection from the team will make womankind safe from his BS-ing charm and his follow-up abuse? Sigh... now go back to hoping the poor dear "gets his life in order."
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Py - I think you are completely out of touch on what happens on campus with athletes and girls. I never said he wouldn't be with a girl again. The point is he can't go to class/out on the town and have his pick of the litter just because he is CJ Giles.
Also, no one said that, "his ejection from the team will make womankind safe from his BS-ing charm and his follow-up abuse." Interesting way you decided to post that and imply someone said it. CJ has no charm. This is an indisputable fact. He doesn't need it. Well, he didn't need it.
Who knows if CJ will beat a woman again? Got me. But, some of us hoping he turns his life around is not pollyanish.
crazyks (anonymous) says…
Well, yes, Py, there will probably still be women who will be attracted by him. There are always women who get involved with abusive men. Of course, most women who do that don't know ahead of time that he's abusive...in this case, I hope there's been enough publicity that women in this area will know better. But he probably won't stay in this area now, and in other areas, he isn't that well known.
The point people were making is that a good lot of his groupies will disappear now. Since he's not on the KU team any longer, he'll lose a lot of his appeal. He may still have women attracted to him, but not nearly as many now.
Doesn't say much for some of the young women, but...
Am I disappointed? I'm always disappointed when a player for KU doesn't work out, for whatever reason. But I won't miss this one.
Several years ago, Gootsie, back in the Freeman West days (actually met him and got his autograph), after the regular season was over, the KU team used to go to area high schools and play little exhibition games with the locals. Nothing serious, more goofing off than anything. That was lots of fun. And yeah, they sure are TALL in person. TV doesn't prepare you for that!
I wish they still did that...I wonder why they stopped?
sgtwolverine (anonymous) says…
I had a similar height shock experience one day at Notre Dame a couple years ago. Several members of the football team walked past me, and I realized how extraordinarily tall major college athletes really are.
I should have known that already, but I hadn't gotten firsthand experience until then.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Crazy -
I thought they still did the barnstorming tour of KS. I guess I really haven't thought of it lately but I know under Roy they would play 4-5 games after the season... seems like in the Summer.
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
S-Sue wins joke of the day (so far)! Outstanding!
Julian Wright's knee socks would be thigh-highs for me.
prospector (anonymous) says…
No, this is a good call.
let the games begin!
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
TOB... Several people made a variety of comments (today and yesterday--did you read all of those?) to the effect that the man would be alone now... that'll teach him... no more pretty sorority girls... blah blah blah. I'm not unaware of the groupie factor--I just think these folks are placing too much weight on it.
I did not even remotely imply that MY words were verbatim quotes from anybody. I was summing up the general tone.
I stand by my comments that anyone who thinks this guy will have a harder time getting women now is a pollyanna. (If you don't feel this way, good. Some seem to.) Don't twist my words. The pollyanna comment was strictly in reference to the subj. of willing women, not the hope that he reforms.
And as for that, yeah, go ahead and hope. I'll keep hoping for a cure for cancer--I think it has a better chance of happening first. ;-)
The major difference Giles will probably notice is that MEN won't be fawning over him any more. But he'll still get plenty of women, maybe in PART because we're still raising our girls on toys, magazines, music, and TV shows that horribly skew their values and make the attentions of an aggressive, overly self-confident male seem like a GOOD thing--even if he turns out to be a bounder.
Yes, I am simplifying a very complex issue--please forgive me for that--but the point I'm trying to make is that, sadly, this guy probably will not get the social (female) censure he deserves. If women really did shun abusers and blowhards the world would have fewer abusers and blowhards because they'd HAVE to change to get rewarded (rhymes with "paid"). Nice guys would RULE. Convicted felons would not have bags of mail from adoring women wanting to marry them.
I'm coming from this: when single and out with groups of women, it was always depressing to see how many of them preened at the attentions of the loudest, showiest guy in the bar--the one I wouldn't even reward with a glance. Maybe I'm the aberration--I enjoyed turning down the attentions of those guys, and going after the cute quiet guys who waited for interested eye contact before coming over to talk.
While happily dating the shy, smart guys nobody else had given a second look at, I'd have to watch this or that fool friend discovering too late that Mr Showboat was (surprise!) an ass, a womanizer, an abuser, etc... Then I'd have the 3:00 a.m. phone calls from these hysterical friends, etc. Messy.
I think reading about this guy's treatment of that woman just triggered some visceral feelings from all those years ago. Saw too many female coworkers, acquaintances, & friends victimized by their own values and the kind of men who exploited them. This guy reminds me of all that.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Py - I apologize for the misunderstanding. I still disagree with slightly but I agree he's a thug and females need to avoid him and should be avoided.
Confrontation (anonymous) says…
Pywacket: Thanks for bringing some sense to this "On the street." This deadbeat dad and woman abuser deserves only the worse life possible. I wish him absolutely no luck, and seriously hope that he has no influence on his own child. Am I being mean? Yes, and I don't care.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Py,
self confidence is a bad thing?
With the concepts of self-esteem and self-confidence so closely related, and schools teaching confidence and esteem building strategies, do we blame the American educational system?
Are you trying to remove dodgeball and tag from my children's school realm? Domestication at it's finest?
I refuse to make my children learn to say mooooo!!!
But wait, how can you want to kill off self-confidence, yet keep self esteem? Its a oxymoronic paradox. Remove self-confidence, you kill self-esteem.
Or did you really intend to use the word "arrogance" instead of "self-confidence"?
I, nor my devil spawn will not bleet or mooo...
BorderRat (anonymous) says…
Kicked off for good I hope. Now let's watch and see what bball program will bend over backwards to pick him up. Hey NCAA, clean up your act and make a ruling that once a player is dismissed for cause from any program, that's it. Otherwise, it's a big merry-go-round.
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
Py, I don't really agree with you, but I can see that this subject brought out some baggage for you. I don't believe he will have the pool of girls anymore until he goes somewhere else and plays.
Dad said it so well - they were with the uniform, not the guy.
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
Rummy just quit.
Kontum1972 (anonymous) says…
who cares...!
the world doesnt revolve around this kid...find someone who is worthy of wearing the uniform...
prospector (anonymous) says…
"You are doing a heck of a job Brownie/ Ryun/ Rummy..." snort
Oh, I wasn't going to gloat, but, but, but ....
IrishSwearingen (anonymous) says…
I fell sorry for C.J. He has lost an opportunity that doesn't come to very many people. I don't feel that I have the right to judge him, as I don't know his situation or problems. Too often we think that the private lives of athletes are in the public domain. I intend to pray for him, that he changes and does not let this ruin the rest of his life. He is, after all, a young man, with a lot of years before him.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
T_O_B,
Can a thumpin (no "g") really come out of nowhere in a rodeo?
ms_canada (anonymous) says…
I_P - I can't believe Kinky lost. Is there no spirit of adventure in Texas?
ms_canada (anonymous) says…
TOB - is it really true, rummy quit. Woo Hoo and Yipee, maybe now we will see some progress in Iraq.
sgt. - these tall athletes are amazing indeed. My hockey player lad is 6'3" and that is short. Two of his team mates are 6'7" and 6'9" and when they get 4" of skates under them, wow, I get a krink in my neck.
Ceallach (anonymous) says…
Gootsie, you sat behind Chris Piper? Lucky you!! I used to boss him around on the Schwegler Elementary School playground :-P
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
Yes I did! I could have played with the top of his if my domestic unit had not been with me! ;)
If I had known, I would have told him hi for you and to get back into the building now.
crazyks (anonymous) says…
Chris Piper is a class act, and I would love to get to meet him. He wasn't a spectacular player, but was part of the 1988 championship team, and now he's a top-notch sportscaster.
Way to go, Chris. People like you are what gives KU a good name.
Gootsie (anonymous) says…
Oops - I meant the top of his HEAD.
Damn Bea! I need a pole fix!
sunflower_sue (anonymous) says…
Goots, I think we all knew what you meant ;) And, weren't you just at the polls yesterday?
RI, I cooked something. Happy?
BTW, I've heard your spawn make many a barnyard noise (along w/ mine) and I thought it rather endearing.
bunnyhawk (anonymous) says…
gee..............wouldn't it be nice if we had all that athletic $$$$$$ for academic scholarships!!!!!!!!! for students!!!!!!!
The_Original_Bob (anonymous) says…
bunny is right. I mean come on... in college not only could I derivitiate with the best calculus students in the nation, but I could philosophize on Socrates while making Org Chem II look like pudding. I was the true triple threat player. Who wouldn't want to pay KU $45 every couple of nights to watch me do that? Everyone. That's who. ESPN will be shipping millions of dollars to KU for the rights to have TV advertise the university because of my completely and totally sick skills.
sgtwolverine (anonymous) says…
TOB, I believe those would be sick skillz. And I would pay at least 4.5 cents to see that.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
I third Bunnyhawk,
Even though my first year of tuition was partially paid for by an athletic department, academic achievement should be the main focus of any institution of higher learning.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
sue,
They have made guttural animalistic sounds together?
What did your #2 lure and trap my my devil spawn into?
How come I was not informed of this?
Did you throw a bucket of cold water on them to get them apart?
I ain't your dawg. (doggy downer) you must have been deLUDEd last night.
My Schedule II's have nothing to do with voter participation ruminations.
You cooked something, T_O_B, was making pudding, I didn't get to get lunch, so no, I am grumpy.
BTW, T_O_B, if Org Chem II was pudding , what was P-Chem? Please make it steak.... (I also did correct Bea)
gccs14r (anonymous) says…
TOB,
France has a televised contest in which the participants try to accurately diagram spoken French. Apparently it's a big hit. Better that than televangelists.
Bone777 (anonymous) says…
I think CJ Giles could easily claim self defense on this one.
His girlfriend was going to kill him.
Bone777 (anonymous) says…
bunnyhawk - when the television networks start paying to televise smart people sitting around thinking, they will have
"all that athletic $$$$$$ for academic scholarships!!!!!!!!! for students!!!!!!!"
Bone777 (anonymous) says…
TOB - I read yours after I responded to bunnyhawk. You are funnier.
Easy_Does_It (anonymous) says…
he really didn't have much of a jumper, and he usually was in foul trouble. He was good for a few minute to rest Kaun. But all in all I'd free up the scholarship too.
I guess it could be worse, the Nuns running the U of M had one of their finest shot and killed this week. That would come clear out of left field right in the middle of the season - hard to replace a good interior lineman.
Centrist (anonymous) says…
What is wrong with these guys? They're young, apparently have somesort of athletic talent, and have thw world at their feet.
Why screw that up??
Why recruit in the first place.
Go looking for kids that WANT to focus on athletics and schoolwork as well.
crazyks (anonymous) says…
They could, however, mandate that only kids who score a certain number on some test would get athletic scholarships, no matter how much talent they think they have. And it would work, if ALL of the NCAA colleges and universities were forced to comply.
But let's face it, some of these kids think they have more talent than they actually do. Or they have talent, but only if the coach allows them to run roughshod over everyone else, instead of being a team player.
That kid from Syracuse that quit after his freshman year to go into the NBA comes to mind, but I can't think of his name...Anthony somebody. He got in the NBA, but not as the star player he thought he'd be. They had to teach him how not to be a ball hog. He let his head get filled with all of the sportscaster hype, and thought he was better than he actually was.
Pywacket (anonymous) says…
RI~ I'M getting back very late (have been enjoying the great outdoors, as I hope all y'all have found time to do today), but felt you deserved a response.
What I said was, "OVERLY self-confident." W/O the modifier, my entire meaning is lost. Pls don't do that to me... "Overly self-confident," as in possessing a level of self-confidence unsupported by a corresponding level of intrinsic worth... ya know?
But, yes, go ahead & substitute, "arrogance," though it carries a different meaning--it fits just as well and requires no modification that can become lost in the wash.
And fear not--I would never ever wish you or your devil spawn to bleat or moo. I'd rather you delivered some spirited raspberries as the occasion warranted...
Yes, Gootsie--I imagine anyone who has seen people they cared about used and abused by arrogant pr(rhymes with kicks) would carry some "baggage." Or is that very unusual?
mom_of_three (anonymous) says…
Yes, I am disappointed CJ was kicked off the team. It was the right decision by the Coach, but I am disappointed. He had so much potential.
Irish....you said it what I want to.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Py,
Glad you were able to enjoy the great outdoors...
Yes, I had seen the modifier: overly.
But I still think that arrogant would be a better fit.
More succinct, would you not say?
Overly self-confident- a confidence above ones own judgement, ability.
I would not say that he displayed judgement errors, or tried to do things that exceeded his ability.
Arrogant- an overbearing self-importance, a feeling of superiority towards others. That sounds more like the actions he displayed.
Every once in awhile most of us are overly-self confident, when we fail or error because of this, and we learn and grow from it.
Arrogance is a whole different potato.