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What is your opinion of Valentine’s Day?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on February 14, 2006

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“It’s pretty bad. I feel like it capitalizes on people’s love for each other. It takes the panache out of the relationship, because if you forget the diamond ring it’s over. You just can’t win.”

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“I like all of the holidays in general, but it helps if you’re not single on Valentine’s Day.”

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“It’s a pretty insignificant holiday. I would put it in the same category as St. Patrick’s Day. You can celebrate them if you want, but they’re no big deal.”

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“It has its drawbacks, but what are your options?”

Comments

enochville 9 years, 5 months ago

AKA, S.A.D. - Singles Awareness Day.

I think Valentine's Day is fun.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

Finally!! I'm just loving it!

And Stephen is right - don't forget the diamond ring!

Nikki May 9 years, 5 months ago

Valentines is lame. I have never liked it and I'm not single and haven't been in ages. The thing is if you love your significant other, you love them all year. I hate going to a store and seeing it swarmed with people in the valentines aisles because they are "supposed to". I guess ultimately, I don't like to be told to do something. If I want to celebrate my love, I will, any day.

KsjKC 9 years, 5 months ago

What? St. Patrick's Day NO BIG DEAL? Well, Ms. Whitney, please explain to me how ELSE we can get green beer and eat things with cabbage in them? Huh? Huh?? As an Irishmen, I am outraged; however, buy me a green beer, some corned beef and cabbage and we're cool. Really.

Hilary Morton 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm with KsjKC. Say what you will about VD, but St. Patrick's Day is NOTHING to write off. Best holiday. Period. And ya know, around December, people are at the store, buying stuff because they're "supposed to." At least on VD, I'm only buying something for one person I love, instead of 30 people that I'm kind of related to who I only spend a few days a year around. VD all the way!

canyon_wren 9 years, 5 months ago

When I was a kid, I thought Valentine's Day was wonderful--making them out of those little books or from scratch. It wasn't politically incorrect in those days to just give them to the kids you wanted to--now, I guess, you have to give them to everyone or not bring any to school. You always looked at the boy(s) who gave you one with new eyes--this was like 3rd or 4th grade.

When I was married and not really that happy, I felt guilty about Valentine's Day, because I didn't "care enough." I feel much better about it now that I am single even though I don't "get anything" for Valentine's Day--I don't feel like an imposter.

The bottom line as far as my attitude about Valentine's Day is that the gross commercialism makes me want to ignore it completely (but that is true for Mother's Day, etc.). I would have to say that I really enjoy St. Patrick's Day a LOT more--love that corned beef and cabbage!

irnmadn88 9 years, 5 months ago

Just another profitable day for Holiday Incorporated...

Tomorrow, Holiday Inc. will begin gearing up for Easter...

irnmadn88 9 years, 5 months ago

And other than my birthday and New Years Eve, the St. Patrick's holiday ROCKS! And it is on a Friday this year!

mefirst 9 years, 5 months ago

Could definitely live without all the hype!

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

I am coming around to it's alright again. I was dumped on V-day a few years ago, after I took her out to dinner and the whole deal (yes I know, poor me). But now that I am married to the most wonderful person in the world, it's getting better. It isn't much fun, though, when you are broke and can't do something big.

I think it is more a female holiday personally.

neopolss 9 years, 5 months ago

Ron, make your sweetheart something from the fridge ... or wear it. V-day is much better when you improvise.

classclown 9 years, 5 months ago

Hilary... Your comment "VD all the way!" is pretty funny. I don't know how old you are, but there are plenty of people here that remember the time when STD's were known as VD(Venereal Disease).

Anyhow, Valentines day is just some fake holiday made up by Hallmark as a way to sell more cards during the "lean season" although they did at least base it around a person that actually did exist.

Down with VD in all its insidious forms.

supermel718 9 years, 5 months ago

I just received a diamond necklace for Valentines Day. I am with Hilary, VD all the way!

Soapdish 9 years, 5 months ago

I take the opportunity to get my hubster a totally random gift that I might not get him otherwise or until another holiday perhaps. St.PD is a very fun holiday as well but all of them are totally up to you on the scale you want to celebrate. If I were single, it would be favorite movies and a big greasy pizza. Who am I kidding, I'll do that married...

Banane 9 years, 5 months ago

Classclown: My thoughts exactly, I registered an account to post about VD. For some reason it is bugging me to see people refer to valentines day as VD.

You can't prevent Valentines Day, but you can prevent VD.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

I could take it or leave it. I'm not into flashy jewelry and am happy with the nice things I already have, and I Hate!!! sappy cards. A nice bottle of wine is always nice, however.

blue: for a heart-shaped fruitcake -- sometimes you just have to get the jack-hammer out and take matters into your own hands.

rockchalkjayhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

i like Valentines day because it gives me an excuse to wear my red pants without getting funny looks.

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

I've always loved Valentine's Day.

The sound of bullets, the smell of gunpowder, the screaming of the victims and the laughter of the hit men.

Wait, you mean it's something besides the anniversary of a massacre?

Well, drat.

(actually, my SO greeted me last evening with chocolate covered strawberries, which I really like and which you can pretty much only get this time of year, and tonight we're taking the opportunity to have a nice dinner and open a good bottle of wine. I like the holiday OK.)

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

He was stoned AND beheaded? That sucks...

Linda Endicott 9 years, 5 months ago

"i like Valentines day because it gives me an excuse to wear my red pants without getting funny looks."

You didn't miss Christmas, did you?

Anybody else getting sick of those dumb Vermont teddy bear ads on TV?

I don't have a SO right now, but even if I did, I probably wouldn't celebrate. Every time I did when I was with someone, the relationship ended in disaster.

Just call me superstitious...

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

OK, I'll get around to "VD" in a moment. We celebrate Chinese New Year (we have for the last 4 years). I make tons of food and have lots of friends over to eat, drink, and be merry. My daughter mentioned this to her teacher and her teacher told her that that was dumb because were not Chinese. I told my daughter to ask her teacher if she was Catholic or Irish (I know she's not) and then to ask her why she celebrates St. Valentine's Day or St. Patrick's Day. My daughter, fearing retribution, would not do this. Instead (and here I've come back to today) she has chosen to boycott Valentine's Day. Good for her! None of the kiddies in her class will be getting yet another dopey Spongebob card from her. I don't mean to pick on Spongebob (I love all Bobs equally) but really, do the kids care about these silly little cards or do they just want the candy? We have always taken the time to make homemade cards. My daughter said that the kids told her that her cards were always lame. OK. So be it. If I knew that one of my children said something like this to another child, there would be some serious "explaining" here at home. Generally, I don't care for Valentine's Day. It's a day that breeds disappointment. If I had to say one nice thing about today it would be that my parents were married on Valentine's Day...but any other day would have served just as well.

Despite my jaded view of this Hallmark holiday, I hope you all have a good one. Can't wait 'til Cinco de Mayo. Now there's a Holiday you can sink your teeth into! YUM! (And for my daughter's teachers sake...no, we're not Mexican, either.) Great way to teach cultural diversification since my daughter's 6th grade teacher seems to be doing a poor job of it.

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

I think Valentine's Day is fun, not as much fun as St. Patrick's day, but fun none the less.

Note to guys: Valentine's Day is akin to chick-flicks -- the smart man takes his honey to as many of those movies as possible and at least expresses sentiment on Valentine's Day. The return on your investment will be great. If not -- dump her and look for an Irish girl :)

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

s_s, I think that you should call up your daughter's teacher and ask if she'll be having the Black History Month lessons taught by an appropriately ethnic stand-in (unless she's black, in which case you should ask her if she's lending herself out to the white teachers for their lessons) and then tell her she's got some nerve making value judgments about what holidays people choose to observe.

I also like Valentine's Day for the same reason I like Easter: holiday-specific candy. For V-Day, it's those little truffle hearts, while for Easter it's robin's eggs and Cadbury eggs and hollow chocolate bunnies.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Multi: and then it's like getting a new wife every year...

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

I had chocolate covered strawberries for breakfast with my valentine. Cool!

Yes, I know it's corny, but it's fun! Kind of like Father's Day and Mother's Day and (hand over heart) administrative assistant's day - you do love them all year, but it's nice to recognize it anyway. Think of those poor hug-deprived people around the world. Do it for them.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Wow! I'm surprised that a couple of you took the time to read my lengthy rant. Now that's love! Thanks guys! blushing. I feel all warm and fuzzy now. (Could be my cold meds.)

trinity 9 years, 5 months ago

i'll let ya know later on in the day, what my opinion of saint valentine's day is; all is hinging on whether or not the local florist makes an appearance in my office with some nice, colorful, odiferous dead flowers from my hunny. ;)

i hate hate hate the commercialism of this and most all other holidays; on the other hand, heck-i need to lighten up&just go with the flow&have fun!

will all of ya's be my valentines?? :x

trinity 9 years, 5 months ago

na s_s, it's the spirit of the day! :) (the warm fuzzies et al)

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

I see that I had a post deleted yesterday.

You people are a bad influence.

I blame s_s and the bobs for my verbally dissipated and ignominious state.

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Oh, and I still don't have my own website from Marion or a nasty e-mail from a gradstudent.

What do you have to do to get into the in-crowd here?

juggles fruitcake and balloons on a roundabout with Chuck Norris

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 9 years, 5 months ago

In my first marriage you could plot the downfall with the Val day flowers. The first year I got a dozen roses, second - 3 roses, third - 1 rose, fourth - 3 carnations, final - 1carnation. My present husband is always surprising me with something, whether or not it's Val day. When I was single, it just didn't matter to me one way or the other. It never bothered me to be without a significant other. The only reason I married again is because my husband is such a wonderful person. Here's love to you, if you're reading this, honey.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

badger: You can juggle balloons? Impressive.

I think that you have too much of an intellectual front, that marion may be wary of you...

...maybe that will get me a website...

buckeyejayhawk 9 years, 5 months ago

About 2 weeks ago I asked my boyfriend what we were doing for Valentine's Day (our schedules are both very busy so even something like a dinner date needs to be scheduled in advance). His response was "Well, do we really need to do anything? I mean, it's not even really a holiday." I told him "You're right. It's not a holiday. It's a Spoil Your Girlfriend Day." So that's what we called it. We spent yesterday afternoon (we're both too busy today to get together) windowshopping at the mall, eating ice cream and Cinnabon (mmm, Cinnabon), and he built me a teddy bear at one of those workshops. No candy, no flowers, no diamonds, but I felt sufficiently spoiled, which was the whole point, so I'm a happy camper.

trinity 9 years, 5 months ago

yayyyyyyy! TOB i do believe cupid was firing those heart shaped fruitcakes at ya! ;)

stalked?? hmmm...maybe i oughta rethink this valentine schmeer. ah, but virtual-ity makes it alllllll gooood, like buttah! :)

:x

acg 9 years, 5 months ago

sunnysue, your post kind of p**sed me off. Not at you, but at that teacher. I think I would've had to give that woman a piece of my mind. It's awesome that you celebrate the chinese new year. I like to celebrate all holidays, regardless of what they are. My boss gets annoyed with me always trying to take the day off, though. Ya'll should've seen his face when I told him I needed the day off to celebrate Rosh Hashanah. :) I think V Day is definitely commercialized but me and my sweetie pie were talking about it last night and with jobs, kids, commutes, bills and chores we all start to take each other for granted. Maybe what we need is one day where we're forced to stop and remind our SO's, etc. that we love them. I think grand gestures are nice, too, and for those who give and get diamonds and the like, that's great. But to me, the best of romantic gestures hardly cost a thing.

rhd99 9 years, 5 months ago

I disagree, Lindsey Reich, being single on Valentine's Day is not a bad thing, at all. I don't know what planet she was from, & how being single has ANYTHING to do with this special day. It has NOTHING to do with today being Valentine's Day. I like being single, it allows me to decide when I am ready to find that special lady in my life. Right now, I am not ready. SORRY, Lindsey.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Badger, don't feel left out on the Marion front. I asked him a ? yesterday and he responded by singing show tunes. Whatever. And if you want to be zapped, say some really innocent thing, but say it just slightly naughty. Works every time.

OK, the hubby is yet again trying to warm me up to this holiday. He just gave me a beautiful card and some really nice blingage. (The bling is a bit big and flashy but I wouldn't want to appear ungrateful;)) What am I gonna do with that boy? (suggestions???) (See, Badger, that's how it's done.)

Trinity, I'll be your Valentine :o)

glockenspiel 9 years, 5 months ago

Its an excuse for singles to have courage in some place other than a bar. And the holiday is only a commerical holiday if you make it that way. I bought a picture frame, wrote a poem and printed it on some resume paper I had laying around. It will speak much more than any other gift I could give.

If you want to complain about the holiday, complain that it is so close to Christmans. Please, give us a chance to recover!

Christine Anderson 9 years, 5 months ago

Hey Folks, I bet I can top all of 'ya! My children won't be reading this one, so....

VALENTINE'S DAY SUCKS! I just had to say it.

The last time I truly enjoyed this day was 1986. Someone I thought was just a good friend snuck into the breakroom of where I worked at the time ( what is now the United Way bldg.) and left one red, long-stemmed red rose and a heart-shaped crystal box on the table for me. My response was "What a sweet big brother!" Yes, I was an idiot. Back then, I was also a natural blonde. The thing is, I remember thinking if this person liked me as anything more, they would say so. Men, did I miss the boat??

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

Let's write a valentine - here's the first line---

Balloons are red,

trinity 9 years, 5 months ago

yay! i just luvs a fun silly holiday! :)

and this one fits the bill quite nicely, i must say.

i'm in just such a fuzzywuzzy heart mood today!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Misplaced, yeah, honey, you dropped the ball on that one.

acg, you are right! The best things in life are free. Last night they had a story on the news about not enough stroke victims getting the drug TPA in time. My hubby, who suffered a major stroke a few years back (hole in heart, long story...), turned to me with mist in his eyes, squeezed my hand, and said "Thank you." Today, you wouldn't know he'd ever had a stoke thanks to the TPA. I did happen to know about the drug at the time and the hubby has said "thank you" before, but that was the best V.Day present (an hour early) I could have gotten.

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Misplaced -

It depends on the answers to a couple of questions:

  1. Did you want this person to be anything more than a 'sweet big brother' type?
  2. Has the opportunity truly passed (you're with someone else, he's with someone else, one of you has moved to Uganda)?

If you answered the first question 'no', then you didn't miss anything at all, no matter what your answer was to the second. If you answered both questions 'yes', then yup, you missed the boat.

However, if you answered the first question 'yes' and the second one 'no', then you only missed the initial boarding call for that boat. It's still at the marina; you can probably still break a bottle of champagne across its hull and see if the captain is interested in a turn around the bay.

The sort of man who leaves crystal boxes and single roses, and who is a good friend, may know you well enough to understand, "OK, it took me three years to catch that signal, but I caught it, and I'm interested."

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, misread the date on that.

Yeah, 20 years, that's too long even for me to hold out romantic hope.

My brain read it and substituted something else entirely for 1986...

is a dork today

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

What do you do all day if you are a "philosopher"?

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Is that why he answered the OTS question with a question...

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

My fiance is 1700 mi. away at the moment, which makes today pretty hard.

Babe, if you're reading this, I love you

mztrendy 9 years, 5 months ago

I love vd! almost as much as st patricks day. We had a fantastic night planned, but my husband was up all night last night with the flu...

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

mztrendy, Mucinex and lots and lots of water!!!! This is a very nasty bug going around.

Consumer1, I just made some brownies and let the hubby lick out the batter bowl. Does that count as a V Day gift?

mztrendy 9 years, 5 months ago

thanks! I'll have him try it. But we'll see, he hates Valentines Day!

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Just trying to teach Badger that ANYTHING can be made to sound naughty. (intentional or not) And trying to live up to his expectations of me :OP

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

C1, if you spend enough, you may actually win!!! ;)

When I saw you the other morning, I had four greeting cards in my hand. They totaled almost $17!!!

Happy Valentine's Day!

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Thing is, if you're dating a woman like the ones Stephen up there is describing, who insists on a diamond for V-Day, or will dump or guilt you if you don't give her the Perfect Princess Treatment or the appropriate card, gift, flowers, candy, whatever - you're dating a woman with some whacked-out priorities.

I've never been in and will never stay in a relationship where Appropriate Gifting is a requirement for continued dating.

You give someone a present because you like and appreciate that person, not because they demand one or because you feel you 'have' to. I like to give and receive V-Day presents because I like to give and receive presents. V-Day just gives me a convenient excuse and a better variety of candy.

Seriously, though, if I was ever dating someone who said, "If you don't get me the 'right' present for Valentine's/my birthday/Christmas, I'll dump you," I'd probably take a rather proactive stance on that dumping.

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Chardonnay and chocolate?

No, no, dear, port is for chocolate.

Chardonnay is for a bowl of mixed berries lightly glazed with honey and dusted with ginger.

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 5 months ago

I hated valentines day when I was single. Everyone else got great stuff and I got nothing. We go low budget here. My hubby is making manicottie and I am making a strawberry chocolate truffle pie. I agree St Patricks is way better. The parade rules. I about crapped at how much I spent on Valentine cards, I only bought 4. Today is a day to be creative, build a bikini out of sweet tarts. Make an outfit out of empty beer boxes. YEEEHAWWWWW!!

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 5 months ago

heres more:

Help me clean my gun baby. Please wax my floor is the washer on spin cycle? where would you like me to put this box?

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 5 months ago

Lets trim the bush. clean the backdoor please.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

spacy, too funny! And a bikini out of sweet tarts? Too complex for me. A can of whip cream goes a long way. Great on brownies or strawberries. But what to do with the leftovers?

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 5 months ago

I think the fact that a massacre happened on this day says volumes...

mztrendy 9 years, 5 months ago

multidisciplinary I totally agree with you. My husband hates valentines day, and says its just another day. Its not important to him. Which is fine, but like i explained to him, my birthday really isn't that important to him either, but would he not get me a present or do something for me on my birthday? Its pretty much the same thing. ANd I don't want/need anything major, but the thought is nice.

Christine Anderson 9 years, 5 months ago

Hi Badger: Actually, my answer to the first question at THAT time was no. Because I was STUPID. This guy and continued to hang out together. He made three trips with me out to western Ks, when I was preparing to attend school out there. He let me drive his car, even though I almost crashed it into a narrow bridge in Ellsworth Co. ( Rainstorm and an oversized semi.) Okay, my stupidity grew. I move back here, marry the wrong person. One day in '88, my then husband and I were checking into the hosp. to deliver our now 17 yr. old daughter. Know the escorts there who wear the red jackets? Well, one guess who it was who took me up to L/D while my husband was filling out papers? Yep, him. Guess who brought my sister and mom up to meet my baby girl for the first time? Yep. Guess who brought my little girl her very first toy? Yep. What's REALLY wierd is that this man still remembers that my water had broke right when I got there. He said I was the only woman who had had that happen as he was putting them into the w/c. Then 16 years goes by. Sixteen years of not seeing him, hearing from each other or anything. Then one day I'm going into a store in K.C. As I'm going in, guess who's coming out that same door, at that same time?? Yep, him. I tell 'ya, I never really thought of him as cute back in the '80's, but add a little gray hair, and Oh Dear God. but the guy had become very, very attractive over the years. He meets my kids. They fall in love with him. ( So do I, by the way.) After our first date, (this time around) we go out for coffee, and I asked him how it was that a man as handsome and witty as himself had not ended up married in all that time. He looks at me and says, "Actually, you're the last person I dated. Hey, I'm telling ya, he could catch any woman on the face of the earth. I wish I could say we're engaged or something like that. This time my sweetie suffered an episode of stupidity. He went and married someone else for INS purposes only!!!!

craigers 9 years, 5 months ago

Happy VDs to all of you!!! I just couldn't help it. The opinion of Valentines day just depends on your current situation. If you are in love and with that person, then the day is probably great since you get to see them again. If you got dumped on Feb 1st then you are probably ticked and think that Valentines day is for losers and you will tell yourself that you will be able to save money this way and all those other feel-better excuses. I know it was mentioned above, but I never thought of just taking my wife window shopping and just letting her have the thought of getting something cool. That would be the cheapest way to go. Of course, I would have to take her by the flower shop too so she could look at all the pretty bouquets!!!

Does anybody think this would work?

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

misplaced, what a tragic ending. What on earth is wrong with that guy? After all of that he went and married someone else? I this were a book it would suck.

Multidisc, You are correct on the validation thing. When all is said and done, the things I treasure most are the little love letters. I never toss away a note from my hubby or my kids. Whether the "I love you" is written in the hubby's almost illegible handwriting or in my kid's crayon scribbles, they are the best!

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

C1, yep. It was good for me too.

I was dating a guy once and was wanting to break up with him. It was Valentines Day, and we had a date that evening. He came over, but was about 45 minutes late. I thought maybe he wasn't coming! Then here he comes with a small bouquet of flowers and 1/2 a Valentines cake! I asked him what was up and he said he had stopped by an old girlfriend's house on the way over and gave her half the cake. I started laughing!

He didn't understand why that was wrong.

That was our last date.

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

Forget diamonds.

In agreement w/ SS, VDay doesn't get any better than getting a ribbon-wrapped tub of whipped cream. Heh.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Gootsie - was it a 50/50 split on the cake? I mean if you got over half...j/k.

My wife surprised me this morning by putting a card and a package of twizzler bites in my car. Gotta love her!

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Did anyone else notice that the esteemed philosopher's name was John Shue?

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

No. It was 55-45 and I got the "short end." Just too funny!

that wasn't you, was it, RB?

Linda Endicott 9 years, 5 months ago

Nah, Ottr, I was receiving the wrong gift...

A box of chocolates and a punch in the face from your SO just doesn't cut it with me...so I kept the chocolates and dumped the jerk...

I would have liked to say I returned the punch, but I didn't want to get arrested...

Oh, and I celebrated Valentine's, sort of...my sister gave me some wonderful decorated cookies, and I gave her a movie, and my daughter and niece gave me candy (and I them), and then I got myself a movie...

Pretty good day so far...who needs a SO to make a great day?

jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

I tried not to be with people who went on anti-commercial raves against VD day and refused to do anything on it, because who needs that kind of drama.

I tried not to be with people who bought in lock stock and barrell, and believed that VD, and more specifically the associated dollar amounts spent, were the guage for how much love is in a relationship, because who needs THAT kind of drama.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

No, I always made sure the current girlfriend got at least 75%, don't want to upset her. As the advice goes that my dad gave me when I got married..."If mom is happy, everyone is happy."

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

I think most women want to feel special to their significant others.

Some want physical attn (hugs and kisses) and others feel special when their boyfriends shower them with gifts. I've met some men that love buying things for their girlfriends... I don't think it's necessarily unhealthy.

To each his or her own.

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 5 months ago

sue- My friend just went to Priscillas and they have sweet tart bikinis!!!

Tonite we are breaking out the old fondue pot. It will be a night of warm melted chocolate!! Yipppeee!!!

For those of you afraid to indulge in too much chocolate, don't feel bad. I just had a whole bag of chocolate covered pretzels. I am now bouncing off walls!!!!

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

You know, your last line could qualify for sunny sue's "naughty" category...

Tony Kisner 9 years, 5 months ago

"It has its drawbacks, but what are your options?"

  • John Shue, philosopher, Lawrence

This guy needs another line of work.

Move over Kant, Shue has a few thing to say.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

sun_sue: whipped cream is best in small doses. If you use too much, it can get warm. Next thing you know areas that you don't want to start to smell like sour milk. Big Time Yuck!

Trust me, nothing puts the brakes on a romantic interlude like gagging over that sour milk smell. (Oh, the lessons we learn!)

I guess just stick to the chocolate. An assortment of Godiva if possible. Big Time Yum!

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

bea--you could swipe one of those huge pump bottles of godiva that they have at coffee shops (for the purposes of grande mocha latte half-caf non-fat extra shot on ice with whipped cream). Definitely more practical--more time for the "important" stuff.

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 5 months ago

they have chocolate flavored whipped cream now. A shower after a whipped cream festival is necessary.

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

also, best not to have any dry-clean only varieties of bedclothes/feather beds/etc in the area when the whipped cream starts flying...

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

My guy and I are ordering each other a surprise dinner and renting the same movie. Once dinner arrives, we're supposed to pick up the phone and eat/watch the movie together.

It's the best we can do long distance... and I don't think it sounds too shabby. (Although I admit all the whipped cream/chocolate-making talk is making me jealous)

sigh Long distance relationships kind of suck.

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

Actually, my hubby is out of town for the month, so I'm just going through these things in my head--none of it will be happening in person at my house.

acg 9 years, 5 months ago

linuxchick I think that's awesome, ordering dinner for each other and watching a movie together long distance. That's actually one of the sweetest things I've heard all day.

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

Gootsie: He's in Lawrence. We're both students at KU.

I managed to get an internship w/ a company I couldn't turn down, so I'm in California right now and won't be back in Ks until August. :(

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

L-C, I love your idea too. Be sure to pick a certain time for both of you to look up at the moon (or where it should be if it's cloudy) and just say hi.

Thank goodness for unlimited minutes on phones!

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

Agreed. Unlimited nights/weekends are a gift from heaven. :)

Off the subject: how did this bob username frenzy even start. Does anyone know?

sd123 9 years, 5 months ago

Valentine's Day Poem

Hearts and roses and kisses galore... What the hell is all that sxit for? People get mushy and start acting queer It is definitely the most annoying day of the year This day needs to get the hell over with and pass Before I shove a dozen roses up Cupid's arss I'll spend the day so drunk I can't speak And wear all black for the rest of the week Guys act all sweet, but it soon will fade For all they are doing is trying to get laid The arrow Cupid shot at me must not have hit Because I think love is a crock of sxit So there's the story... what else can I say? Love bites my ass... @$#! Valentine's Day!

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Remember here people, whomever's name you drew you are stuck with for a year...

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

HEY - I never said that! I love both Bobs! I have dreams of being in the middle of a shish-k-BOB(s)!

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

Oh man...gootsie...I didn't know it was possible to get a bad visual with people I have never seen before...

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

You guys are incredible!

And, as far as who gets me, I just want to see the mudwrestling competition that decides the matter...

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

Ron, I think I'm having the same horrible vision....

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

you can just call me avhavingacowjmlk

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

sorry Ron....but who can resist pleather and carp? (wasn't that a Stevie Nicks song?)

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

And the chocolate pudding idea is FAB!!

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

Now I'm confused! Was that a tub full of whipped cream, or a tub full of whipping cream? Why would you want the tub full of cream that has already been whipped? Where's the fun in that? There would be no need for a whip!! DUH!

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

Multi--just stop typing now. The gutters are getting overloaded!

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

Thanks for the info, TOB. Pre-log-in? When was that, 1902? You must be oooolllddd (just kidding!).

avh: Honestly, LJW should know better than to bait the board with a question of the day like this one. It doesn't seem to take much for hormones to run amuck here.

S'pose congrats are in order: it sounds like the bobs are gonna get lucky today.

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

You can always count on me...

Where are you going to set up the tub of chocolate pudding? I would hate to miss it (especially since I'm the prize)

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

I remember the pre-login days. People got REALLY REALLY nasty on those threads!

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm sure they're just trying to type and eat chocolate pudding at the same time.

I think people at work are onto me not actually working right not. Nothing that I'm doing for work would incite this kind of laughter....

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

avh: wow. you must be ooolllddd

shrug so I'm an equal-opportunist.

I guess I'm supposed to be working, too... but the other interns in my cube are playing Minesweeper. Here's to motivation on a (should-be) holiday.

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm actually not--not at all. I'm just a local news nerd. Plain and simple.

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

MD--DON'T GO!! No one is offended that I'm aware of--least of all me!

New name--avhjustkiddingaroundmlk

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

My, oh my! I leave for a couple hours and all the horses are out of the barn!

TOB, do you mean that some people use two hands to type? I should try that. Might not take me so long to get my well thought out ideas posted.

Multid, You asked: "Do we throw these (love letters) out at some point?" Well, my Dad passed away 35 years ago and my Mom still has every card and love letter he ever gave her. He used to leave them in places that she would find them. So, I guess for some people, the answer is no. Ah, romance!

linux_chick 9 years, 5 months ago

Don't worry, md. You'll know when you cross the line when the LJW censorship-police start removing posts.

avh: I don't really think you're old. Just in a trouble-starting mood. Forgive me. :P

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Bad visions of Ceallach in pleather with a whip..My retinas are burning, my retinas are burning!

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

Well, chick, thanks. I feel redeemed!

And, yes, I am in a feisty mood.

bankboy119 9 years, 5 months ago

I think I missed a great convo today. Happy VD everyone!

avhjmlk 9 years, 5 months ago

If that's not the cherry on top of our conversation! Do you think that chocolate pudding is capable of transferring VD?

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

MD, sometimes the ljw staff give us enough rope to hang ourselves, then the blood bath (comment removal bath) begins!!

Speaking of . . . . where is our extra_mustard?

e_mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, surely you have something to add about VD if not Valentine's Day :)

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

sun_sue: I would say something about you needing a whipping but the last time I made a similar comment to bea . . . I was quickly deleted -- in order to avoid a repeat delete -- I must refrain from answering.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

VD is not complete w/out a little extra_mustard! ewww!

Happy VD e_m Happy VD Ms_C (I see she's not posting either) Hmmm....

Cea, I was just kiddin'. I personally think you'd look faboo in pleather. Make sure you have the right scarf to accessorize!

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

sue, how about the pastel chains that look like ribbons?

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

Cea, only those with tremendous self control like yourself can pull off the pleather look.

Was it multiD that said he wasn't having a cherry tonight? Me neither!

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

omb - I think those horses have already fallen victim to the carp.

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

Not a big fan of Valentine's Day.

The rest of this post, and the next few by me, are completely off topic, but definitely worth reading and very intriguing as we read about the record profits being raked in by oil and gas companies. Sorry, I don't think the link to the story would have been accessible.

Time to write our elected officials, me thinks.

From the New York Times . . .

February 14, 2006 U.S. Has Royalty Plan to Give Windfall to Oil Companies By EDMUND L. ANDREWS WASHINGTON, Feb. 13 - The federal government is on the verge of one of the biggest giveaways of oil and gas in American history, worth an estimated $7 billion over five years.

New projections, buried in the Interior Department's just-published budget plan, anticipate that the government will let companies pump about $65 billion worth of oil and natural gas from federal territory over the next five years without paying any royalties to the government.

Based on the administration figures, the government will give up more than $7 billion in payments between now and 2011. The companies are expected to get the largess, known as royalty relief, even though the administration assumes that oil prices will remain above $50 a barrel throughout that period.

Administration officials say that the benefits are dictated by laws and regulations that date back to 1996, when energy prices were relatively low and Congress wanted to encourage more exploration and drilling in the high-cost, high-risk deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

"We need to remember the primary reason that incentives are given," said Johnnie M. Burton, director of the federal Minerals Management Service. "It's not to make more money, necessarily. It's to make more oil, more gas, because production of fuel for our nation is essential to our economy and essential to our people."

[story continued below]

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

[continued from above]

But what seemed like modest incentives 10 years ago have ballooned to levels that have alarmed even ardent supporters of the oil and gas industry, partly because of added sweeteners approved during the Clinton administration but also because of ambiguities in the law that energy companies have successfully exploited in court.

Short of imposing new taxes on the industry, there may be little Congress can do to reverse its earlier giveaways. The new projections come at a moment when President Bush and Republican leaders are on the defensive about record-high energy prices, soaring profits at major oil companies and big cuts in domestic spending.

Indeed, Mr. Bush and House Republicans are trying to kill a one-year, $5 billion windfall profits tax for oil companies that the Senate passed last fall.

Moreover, the projected largess could be just the start. Last week, Kerr-McGee Exploration and Development, a major industry player, began a brash but utterly serious court challenge that could, if it succeeds, cost the government another $28 billion in royalties over the next five years.

In what administration officials and industry executives alike view as a major test case, Kerr-McGee told the Interior Department last week that it planned to challenge one of the government's biggest limitations on royalty relief if it could not work out an acceptable deal in its favor. If Kerr-McGee is successful, administration projections indicate that about 80 percent of all oil and gas from federal waters in the Gulf of Mexico would be royalty-free.

"It's one of the greatest train robberies in the history of the world," said Representative George Miller, a California Democrat who has fought royalty concessions on oil and gas for more than a decade. "It's the gift that keeps on giving."

Republican lawmakers are also concerned about how the royalty relief program is working out.

"I don't think there is a single member of Congress who thinks you should get royalty relief at $70 a barrel" for oil, said Representative Richard W. Pombo, Republican of California and chairman of the House Resources Committee.

"It was Congress's intent," Mr. Pombo said in an interview on Friday, "that if oil was at $10 a barrel, there should be royalty relief so companies could have some kind of incentive to invest capital. But at $70 a barrel, don't expect royalty relief."

Tina Kreisher, a spokeswoman for the Interior Department, said Monday that the giveaways might turn out to be less than the basic forecasts indicate because of "certain variables."

The government does not disclose how much individual companies benefit from the incentives, and most companies refuse to disclose either how much they pay in royalties or how much they are allowed to avoid.

But the benefits are almost entirely for gas and oil produced in the Gulf of Mexico.

[continued below]

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

[contined from above]

The biggest producers include Shell, BP, Chevron and Exxon Mobil as well as smaller independent companies like Anadarko and Devon Energy.

Executives at some companies, including Exxon Mobil, said they had already stopped claiming royalty relief because they knew market prices had exceeded the government's price triggers.

About one-quarter of all oil and gas produced in the United States comes from federal lands and federal waters in the Gulf of Mexico.

As it happens, oil and gas royalties to the government have climbed much more slowly than market prices over the last five years.

The New York Times reported last month that one major reason for the lag appeared to be a widening gap between the average sales prices that companies are reporting to the government when paying royalties and average spot market prices on the open market.

Industry executives and administration officials contend that the disparity mainly reflects different rules for defining sales prices. Administration officials also contend that the disparity is illusory, because the government's annual statistics are muddled up with big corrections from previous years.

Both House and Senate lawmakers are now investigating the issue, as is the Government Accountability Office, Congress's watchdog arm.

But the much bigger issue for the years ahead is royalty relief for deepwater drilling.

The original law, known as the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act, had bipartisan support and was intended to promote exploration and production in deep waters of the outer continental shelf.

At the time, oil and gas prices were comparatively low and few companies were interested in the high costs and high risks of drilling in water thousands of feet deep.

[continued below]

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

[continued from above]

The law authorized the Interior Department, which leases out tens of millions of acres in the Gulf of Mexico, to forgo its normal 12 percent royalty for much of the oil and gas produced in very deep waters.

Because it take years to explore and then build the huge offshore platforms, most of the oil and gas from the new leases is just beginning to flow.

The Minerals Management Service of the Interior Department, which oversees the leases and collects the royalties, estimates that the amount of royalty-free oil will quadruple by 2011, to 112 million barrels. The volume of royalty-free natural gas is expected to climb by almost half, to about 1.2 trillion cubic feet.

Based on the government's assumptions about future prices - that oil will hover at about $50 a barrel and natural gas will average about $7 per thousand cubic feet - the total value of the free oil and gas over the next five years would be about $65 billion and the forgone royalties would total more than $7 billion.

Administration officials say the issue is out of their hands, adding that they opposed provisions in last year's energy bill that added new royalty relief for deep drilling in shallow waters.

"We did not think we needed any more legislation, because we already have incentives, but we obviously did not prevail," said Ms. Burton, director of the Minerals Management Service.

But the Bush administration did not put up a big fight. It strongly supported the overall energy bill, and merely noted its opposition to additional royalty relief in its official statement on the bill.

By contrast, the White House bluntly promised to veto the Senate's $60 billion tax cut bill because it contained a one-year tax of $5 billion on profits of major oil companies.

The House and Senate have yet to agree on a final tax bill.

The big issue going forward is whether companies should be exempted from paying royalties even when energy prices are at historic highs.

In general, the Interior Department has always insisted that companies would not be entitled to royalty relief if market prices for oil and gas climbed above certain trigger points.

Those trigger points - currently about $35 a barrel for oil and $4 per thousand cubic feet of natural gas - have been exceeded for the last several years and are likely to stay that way for the rest of the decade.

So why is the amount of royalty-free gas and oil expected to double over the next five years?

[continued below]

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

[continued from above]

The biggest reason is that the Clinton administration, apparently worried about the continued lack of interest in new drilling, waived the price triggers for all leases awarded in 1998 and 1999.

At the same time, many oil and gas companies contend that Congress never authorized the Interior Department to set price thresholds for any deepwater leases awarded between 1996 and 2000.

The dispute has been simmering for months, with some industry executives warning the Bush administration that they would sue the government if it tried to demand royalties.

Last week, the fight broke out into the open. The Interior Department announced that 41 oil companies had improperly claimed more than $500 million in royalty relief for 2004.

Most of the companies agreed to pay up in January, but Kerr-McGee said it would fight the issue in court.

The fight is not simply about one company. Interior officials said last week that Kerr-McGee presented itself in December as a "test case" for the entire industry. It also offered a "compromise," but Interior officials rejected it and issued a formal order in January demanding that Kerr-McGee pay its back royalties.

On Feb. 6, according to administration officials, Kerr-McGee formally notified the Minerals Management Service that it would challenge its order in court.

Industry lawyers contend they have a strong case, because Congress never mentioned price thresholds when it authorized royalty relief for all deepwater leases awarded from 1996 through 2000.

"Congress offered those deepwater leases with royalty relief as an incentive," said Jonathan Hunter, a lawyer in New Orleans who represented oil companies in a similar lawsuit two years ago that knocked out another major federal restriction on royalty relief.

"The M.M.S. only has the authority that Congress gives it," Mr. Hunter said. "The legislation said that royalty relief for these leases is automatic."

If that view prevails, the government said it would lose a total of nearly $35 billion in royalties to taxpayers by 2011 - about the same amount that Mr. Bush is proposing to cut from Medicare, Medicaid and child support enforcement programs over the same period.

THE END

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

I knew you were savvy enough to get my meaning.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

MD! You never leave your wingman (wingwoman) ! Stay!

Charla Welch 9 years, 5 months ago

wichita_reader- Next time please just use a link. That took up way too much space. Thanks.

RonBurgandy 9 years, 5 months ago

My oh my, that is too much for me to read...

Ceallach 9 years, 5 months ago

Have a fun evening all. I'm off to have Valentine's dinner with my family. They will wonder why I occasionally burst into laughter, but I'll never tell :)

All y'all are great Valentines!!

XXOOOXXOOOXXOOO

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

Liek OH EM GEE wichita_reader, that's TOTALLY like utter buzzkill.

(interesting reading, though the fact that it's surrounded by innuendo, whips, and pleather bobs sort of makes it hard to take seriously...)

You know, I feel my delicate sensibilities and naivete eroding here. Soon, the Carp of Lasciviousness will engulf me and I'll have to change my name to sunbadger_bob and get in touch with my pleather side.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 5 months ago

OK, that killed the mood faster than hearing a child's footsteps coming towards the bedroom. Gotta go ya'll. Later...

bankboy119 9 years, 5 months ago

lol me too Ron. I got the jist (or is it gist?) of it.

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, to take up so much room Char. I'm pretty sure the link wouldn't work unless you want to become an e-subscriber to the NY Times. My apologies to the good readers and posters.

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

Or should I say not so good readers and posters.

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

This should get you to the story I posted earlier about the oil and gas companies' royalty exemption for deepwater production in the Gulf of Mexico. I'll go ahead and suggest my own removal (falls on own sword).

w_r

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/14/business/14oil.html

1derer 9 years, 5 months ago

w_r, deep thoughts and civil literacy can not be tolerated on today's board :> thanks for wanting to share

badger 9 years, 5 months ago

You know, with today's mentality, I'm not so sure I'd announce I was 'falling on my own sword', if you get my meaning, wichita_reader...

wichita_reader 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm not the most technologically savvy poster, obviously. I've posted links before, but didn't think this one would work. Hope I didn't cause too many headaches.

We'll see if the LJW Staff will accept my suggested removal. Never figured I would suggest removing any posts, and definitely not my own.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

Don't worry Wichita Reader! It's VALENTINE'S DAY!!! There's lots of love around her! Or perversion...

Night everyone!

ms_canada 9 years, 5 months ago

kcjKC - I am so glad you mentioned corned beef and cabbage, I completely forgot, so must make sure to put that on my calendar for March. As a lover of all things Irish, I must not forget that. Just loved Ireland, great food, the best corned beef etc, was found in Blarney after a visit to the castle. But the best was the live pub music scene, especially traditional music. Love it all. kcjKC - do you know the music of Danu, Dervish and Seannad O'Connor? All of them have been to our Folk Music Festival here in Edmonton several times. I never miss them. Also Kevin Burke and Ron Kavana. And as for Val. D. if you have no sweetheart, surely you can send a greeting to a good friend and wish them a good day. It is just a good day to spread some love and care.

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

badger, if changing your name might I suggest sunbadger_bob_squarepants.

Speaking of getting deleted, Cea, I hope you and "Mr. Monk" have a nice evening.

. . _/

beatrice 9 years, 5 months ago

One last thing: Happy Valentine's Day, David R. and site staff. Thanks for letting the adults have a little naughty fun today.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 5 months ago

MD - good stuff.

Beatrice - nice thank you note. That was sweet.

And now back to Mundane Day.

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