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Do you think the driving age in Kansas is too low?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on August 21, 2006

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Photo of Jeannine Swanson

“I think it is probably too young, from what I’ve seen in accidents and everything. I think it should be 18, maybe 21 for boys.”

Photo of Andrew Moore

“I think that if they’re going to raise the driving age, they have to lower the drinking age. To take something, you have to give something. It just makes sense.”

Photo of Lindsey Carson

“If I was at the age where I could start driving and they raised it, I would be mad. There are a lot of 18-year-olds that don’t know what they’re doing anyway.”

Photo of Alan Boley

“I think they should be able to have a restricted license at 16 to get to work and school.”


tell_it_like_it_is 11 years, 10 months ago

Its kind of a mixed deal. Sure teen-agers to do some stupid stuff. But then I've seen soccer mom's in SUV do some pretty stupid stuff too. Maybe an IQ test would be a better measure.

southerngirl 11 years, 10 months ago

The TN laws have 15 as the age for a restricted license and then at 16 and 17 there are fewer restrictions on the license. IF there is a ticket or accident, then the license stays at the previous level of restriction for 6 more months. If the student fails three or more classes or drops out of school, then the license is suspended. Sounds great, but I am sure that it is not enforced. How in the world can they keep track of all of those grades? I have one turning 15 this spring and he is counting down the days until he can drive...wish me luck! d

irnmadn88 11 years, 10 months ago

Yes, make the driving age 18.

Make the driving education classes cost more, last longer and be more intensive. The test should be hard and reflect the level of responsibility needed to operate a motor vehicle.

I can honestly say that for what I went through to get my drivers license at 16, I might as well have gotten it from a cracker jack box.

average 11 years, 10 months ago

Hey, I know. Let's fill Lawrence and Manhattan with thousands of 18-year-olds who've never driven a day in their lives!

sgtwolverine 11 years, 10 months ago

Since there's no article link at the top, I don't know what the age is now. But outside of genuine necessity, I'm not a big fan of unsupervised driving under 18 anyway.

Also, pywacket, to answer your question from yesterday: I'm not really sure if anyone actually tailgates for hockey games. I think the weather for most of the season doesn't really allow for much tailgating. Though knowing hockey fans up here, I'm sure some might tailgate even in winter weather. Others just go to the Hockeytown Cafe or something.

c_doc77 11 years, 10 months ago

Hey, you've got to learn how to drive sometime. I'm not sure if the extra couple of years would make much of a difference. Perhaps 18-year-olds are better drivers because of the two years of experience. However, there is something to be said of a carload of teens, and the driver being distracted by his friends. That said, I think the biggest threat on the road today is cell phone talkers, not teen drivers.

irnmadn88 11 years, 10 months ago

Precisely boogeyman!

I lived in Germany for the first 3 years of my driving experience. I figure when the German driving instructor tells you "you can drive" he means it.

irishblues 11 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone think the age factor has as much to do with it as the experience factor. When a person gets their first license, it's not "if" they have an accident its "when". Inevitably going to happen. Young people are going to get tickets, just when they get confident and too cocky.

Nikki May 11 years, 10 months ago

If drivers' ed cost more, then only people with money could take the class. Then only the rich kids would be "safe" drivers. That doesn't make sense to me. I know many parents in Lawrence don't have their kids take it because it costs alot (I'm not sure how much or anything, my kids are way younger). Those same kids get their liscences anyway.

Chris Bohling 11 years, 10 months ago

No, absolutely not. My family wouldn't have made it through my high school years had a not had a liscence; I had to drive many more places than school and work. Parents of high schoolers simply don't have the time to be "soccer moms" to their 17 and 18-year-olds. Every accident I've ever been involved with, witnessed, or heard about was caused by either a drunk college student (over 18) or a spacey old person (no offense). I DO think repercussions should be harsher if there is an accident. But it simply isn't feasible any more to restrict kids until they are 18.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 10 months ago

chell, where did you have to drive during high school? I mean have to drive.

Something tells me families would adapt in a big hurry if the driving age went up. A lot of states have graduated licensing laws, and there aren't widespread family crises because kids can't drive by themselves until later.

trinity 11 years, 10 months ago

ah, yet another issue on which i feel i can lay blame on parents! c'mon peeps, now how many parents do you know-pywacket's story is a great example-who let their kidlets drive whenever wherever, sometimes against the current age restrictions, as some sort of popularity contest-or simply because they are too damn LAZY to say "no" and put up with junior/juniorette's tantrum, whining, etc??? i know PLENTY of 'em, and my kids are all older now!!! the way it worked with mine-ONE TICKET, ONE CITATION, one ANYTHING-and that was it, the keys&license were relinquished and were mine for awhile. and i didn't give a rat's patootie HOW they got to where they were goin', it just wasn't going to be in "their" car. and all 3 of 'em were very very responsible&never had any problem. period.

parents just have to ASSERT parental control! and make it damn CLEAR the repercussions, and stick to 'em! sigh ok sermon over. but i think it's a damn sight bigger issue, more of a societal thing in general, than just the fact that there's too many kids driving with reckless abandon. a generation of bubbleheads is in the making, if people don't start waking up!

and the "farm" kid issue; ok, so you have a rural address-anymore, TONS of people live out in the country! and they no more have anything to do with farming, agriculture, animals, whatever-than the man in the moon. 5-acre farmers abound! so, who sorts THAT one out, eh? allowing legit farm kids to drive errands&work different areas of the farm? while their "rural" peers are just toolin' around because they can? hmmm?

oh and what the F, i want to know how's come sooooo many young'uns parents allow or even purchase such nice vehicles for them. alot of kids drive a better vehicle than I have!!!! hmmm! what's with that, we used to feel lucky if we had some ol' beater to go to school in! (as in, my '66 olds 98 when i was in high school in the 70's). sigh it truly is monday eh?

juscin3 11 years, 10 months ago

We have a 14 yr old son. He wants to get a license or permit, and have responsibility. At the same time, he doesn't want to be responsible for anything else. Told him that IF and WHEN he can show us that he is responsible then maybe he can get a license. He can't stand the fact that they might hike up the age limit. He needs to understand that there are accidents caused by teenagers. He was with me comin from Linwood towards Lawrence, and there were 3 cars behind us. One of them passed us in a turning lane to get in front, the second one passed us on the right hand, emergency lane, and the third one just passed us when they could. Through Linwood the speed limit is 60. I drive at least 5 over. So there was no reason what so ever they all needed to pass. They were all teenagers being stupid. They don't think about what might happen, they just think about how "fun" it is to drive like a maniac. I didn't call the police, that there was my fault, but I wasn't able to get the tag number on all three while driving myself. I told my son that is why he needs to take driving seriously. Not do it cuz everyone else is doing it. Plus, I really don't think he would want to study for the test because he doesn't like to do challenges, he just wants the easy way out. If it's easy, he will do it. If it's hard, he won't. He expects others to do it for him. So...this is my opinion on it. I think they should raise it.

Topside 11 years, 10 months ago

sure let's raise the driving age to 18...When I look back I wish my mom had driven me to prom.

Then we can give the state ANOTHER 3-400 million so they can add all the extra busses it will take to take these kids to school.

Make it classes longer, more expensive, and harder?? WTF!?!? Have you been to the DMV lately. It would be great to put our children through the riggers so every exchange student and non-english speaking person (with no insurance) can still be given one with little to no effort?!? Don't bother to learn enough english to read the label on a can of soup, but here's a liscense my man! If it is going to get tougher (which I agree with) it needs to be tougher across the board.

Even if a law raising the age limit does pass, it probably won't last. The added expense and inconvienience are not worth the trade off. Also, if you think this will eventually make our insurance rates go down....think again.

acg 11 years, 10 months ago

It's funny, had you asked me this question when I was 16 my answer would've been totally different. I think a lot of kids are too immature to get their licenses. I don't think arbitrarily raising the age to 18 would be the best answer to the problem, though. Some kids have a better head on their shoulders than others and I don't think it would be fair to restrict a good kid that has a job, drives well, and needs their license to get back and forth to a myriad of extracurricular activities. I do think, as someone stated above, the test should not be open book (not just for kids, though, for everyone) and the driving examination should be more difficult, also. This is driving, after all. It's dangerous and important and needs to be taken seriously.

alm77 11 years, 10 months ago

Pywacket, so you're ex was letting the kids drive at 15 to school...which is ALREADY against the law. How is raising the driving age going to help??

I started driving on "country roads" at 14 1/2, got my permit at 15 and passed my driving exam in a stickshift at the age of 16. My momma required me to know how to drive a stick before I could get my license so that I would never be stuck somewhere if that's what was there to drive.

I'd like to see a list of the citations given to teens that cause accidents. I know just about every teen accident my 'peers' had in High School was caused by drunk driving, and EVERY fatal accident was.

And yes, Andrew, we all think you're funny, now go back to Ottawa.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 10 months ago

As to the simplicity of the process involved in getting a license: it absolutely needs to be harder. A friend of mine lived in England during his high school years, and thus got his license there. He said it was genuinely difficult, and you actually had to know how to drive well to get a license. In contrast, his younger brother just recently got his license in Florida, and he said it was absurdly easy.

come_on_now 11 years, 10 months ago

That's a nice sexist comment by Jeannine. Let's take away rights of a certain gender. You know there would by less wrecks if we brought back one of the laws in early 1900's so women don't have the right to drive at all. Although I do not believe that that is right either.

craigers 11 years, 10 months ago

I like trinity's technique of taking the keys and license for awhile with any sort of infraction. But what the heck is up with Jeannine? Maybe 21 for boys? Talk about trying to single out guys and say they are worse drivers. We might speed more but I think we are equal when it comes to driving quality despite what insurance rates say. There are plenty of crazy young and old women and men drivers out there. Drive defensively.

craigers 11 years, 10 months ago

sorry, come_on_now I didn't see your comment before I said anything about Jeannine.

bige1030 11 years, 10 months ago

Marion: "Auto accidents involving teenagers account for 44% of teen deaths in the US."

What would you rather them die of? No matter what, some teens will always die. Thus, there will always be percentages of teen deaths to speak of. Reduce this statistic, and you'll be surprised at how similar statistics for homicide and suicide will skyrocket.

Probably a better statistic to look at - and one that can be reduced without redistributing the numbers - is the actual number of teenagers that died in auto accidents.

Also, what about those auto accidents involving teenagers where the teenager wasn't at fault? Sure, getting the teens off the road still saves lives, but does it really do much for general road safety in that case? Probably not.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 10 months ago

The age in KS is 14 for an instruction/restricted permit and a restricted license at 15:

I have no problem with that as long as they are following the restrictions. The problem is parents who do not follow up with their end of the bargain. When my oldest turns 14, she'll be required to do most of the driving. I want her to have as many supervised hours behind the wheel as possible. I think it's experience and not age that makes you a good driver.

tell it like a pig: nice sexist comment from you as well. :P

redneckwoman 11 years, 10 months ago

I have mixed feelings. I got my restricted @ 14 and full license @ 16. I took drivers ed @ 14, but like many in my class new how to drive because of many hours working for the local farmers. We only took drivers ed because @ the time we could get a discount on our insurance if we did & passed with at least a B.

The day I turned 16 I got a job so I can buy my own car, but my parents still wouldn't give me the keys. Like many after school jobs I worked late into the night. My parent's soon realized that (after forgetting about me & me sitting outside of work by myself after closeing for a hour give or take) was not going to work & let me drive to & from school & work. (15 min. drive).

My point is if you restrict too much, like driving after dark then these kid's will have difficulty finding jobs. I have a 12yr old & have told him that if he wants a car then (like I had too) he will have to pay for it. He can't do that if he can't work because of driving restrictions.

Kids have to learn sometime no experience in anything @ 16 is the same @ 18, 21, 25, etc...

clutterbug 11 years, 10 months ago

Just weighing in here because the "poll" is blatantly slanted. Where's the answer for people who aren't teenagers, have no kids, and DO have an opinion, which is NOT that the roads would be safer without HS kids driving? Who writes these things? Oh, yeah...

Look, accidents happen. Even death happens. Deal with it. And be a freakin' PARENT. It's your job, and that includes teaching them to pick up the pieces.

I got one speeding ticket in high school, and was rear-ended once, but I wasn't in a major accident until my late twenties. It wasn't a teenager that hit me, either, or even a senior citizen. How about banning out-of-town drivers in rental cars, who run red lights while looking at maps (despite being fluent in English)?

come_on_now, mathematically speaking, you make an excellent point. If we got half the drivers off the road, there would be fewer wrecks. Likewise, if all drivers only drove half as often. But who'd want to cut back their driving, as cheap as gas is these days?

coolmom 11 years, 10 months ago

my neice just got her license a few days ago. she turned 17 today. she has been required to do a bunch of hours in a car with her parents, day, night, town and hiway. she had to earn her own tag money, insurance money, help with buying the used car and endure a bunch of mom and dad lectures. she will lose the car for the slightest of infractions. i cringe to ride with her mom but feel totally comfortable with the kid. between the stae rules and the parent rules this is the most careful kid in town.

mztrendy 11 years, 10 months ago

I think it should stay like it is. I think as a parent you should know how responsible your kid is, and whether or not you should throw them out on a highway. When i turned 16 my dad gave me a car for my birthday. Then he gave me the payment book, and 30 days to get a job.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 10 months ago

When I was 9, I got up at 4am every day to help my bro throw papers. When I was 12, I started babysitting all the "little heathens" at church. When I was 15, I got my 1st "real" job. By the time I turned 16, I could afford my own car...crappy as it was! Driver's ed was not offered because of cut-backs in funding but I did get a disc. on insurance for good grades.

A dad of my daughter's friend drove up to my house in a gorgeous red convertable Mustang the other day. He said it was a present for his 14 yr old son. Where is the lesson in that?

RI, exactly WHAT are you talking about? I swear you can make anything sound dirty! :oP

Evan Ridenour 11 years, 10 months ago

I can't help but agree that allowing 16 year olds unrestricted driving privileges is a mistake. A quick google search reveals countless reports showing the danger posed by teenage drivers. There is no god given right to drive, there is not even a constitutional right to drive! What about my right to be able to drive down a street and not have to worry about a 16 year old with 3 friends in the car plowing into me from behind (happened to me personally)? Or my right to not be crashed into from the side by a teenager running a stop sign as they blab on their cell phone (also happened).

If something is known to be dangerous, even fatal, isn't it the governments' responsibility to restrict it for the common good? Taken into prospective I think most rational people would value their life and the life of their loved ones over common convenience. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege. A highly regulated one. If further restricting the driving habits of teenagers is what it takes to make not only the teenagers safer but the rest of us as well... it is a step that cannot be passed up.

Lisa Coble-Krings 11 years, 10 months ago

I think the driving age is just fine the way it is.

sgtwolverine 11 years, 10 months ago

1)I can't speak for anyone else here, but I am not advocating no driving until 18; I am advocating a graduated licensing system. This would not preclude driving; it would preclude unsupervised driving. I agree that drivers improve with experience, but I also think young drivers improve more with experienced drivers in the car.

2)There are places -- those with graduated systems -- that do not let young teenagers drive alone until they have accumulated a certain number of hours of supervised driving. This means, gasp, they can't drive themselves to a job or anything else while they are on that phase of the license. Somehow, the parents make it work. It would not be a disaster to have to go with teenagers when they drive, and the reluctance of parents and/or teenagers to make them drive with an adult for a while is not a reason to let them have unrestricted licenses.

redneckwoman 11 years, 10 months ago

At 18 you get vote. At 18 you get to fight for our country. The idea of waiting til your 18 to get a full license at the same time your enlisting to fight for our country worries me.

trinity 11 years, 10 months ago

pywacket i saw absolutely NOTHING in your post that warranted removal! was actually kinda shocked to see it'd been pulled! crazy, that's just crazy.

i hear your points loud&clear about the ex; thankfully mine was incarcerated and/or just "out" there, when the girls were growing up&learning to drive, etc; didn't have to worry 'bout input from that side! ;)

Bad_Brad 11 years, 10 months ago

Don't know if anyone has already mentioned this, but the major driver (no pun intended) for the driving age in Kansas being so low is to allow kids who live on a farm to drive in order to help their parents with farm chores or to drive themselves to school (in some cases, the nearest school may be 20 or 30 miles away).

I think an increase in the age would be a win for larger cities like KC, Wichita, Topeka, and Lawrence, but it would be a bad deal for a lot of rural communities in Kansas.

shuddleston 11 years, 10 months ago

Current age is fine, you have to learn sometime. Realistically these kids are driving at age 12/13 or even before that in your smaller towns. Take your kids out to a hay field or gravel road and let them spin the tires and learn how to handle a car without the risk of hitting someone. Good lord - I saw a post the other day that Lawrence has a restriction for the age that you can ride a bike to school. And you wonder why they cannot drive when they reach 14, 15 or 16. lol

Linda Aikins 11 years, 10 months ago

I started driving when I was 10! I can't believe my mother let me do that. We lived in the country outside Burdett KS (home of the man who discovered Pluto) and I drove those country roads all the time.

Aileen Dingus 11 years, 10 months ago

UGH. If what I saw around LHS this morning is any indication- nobody under the age of 30 should have a license to operate anything but feet. And even THAT is subject to high taxes.


Fatty_McButterpants 11 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, Jeanine, that's a great idea. Of course, her sexist comment doesn't take into account that usually the people I see speeding, talking on a cell phone, speeding with their children in the car, are WOMEN.

Kontum1972 11 years, 10 months ago

lets see....those kids from Tongie killed in the hi-powered mustang a few weeks ago on Kasold curve I saw them racing up and down Kasold a few times running the STOP sign at 11th and Kasold everytime. In the long run they sealed their fate and so did their parents bet, they are happy with their purchase of that car. I have a 16 year old and he is on me like a tick to buy him a car so he can drive, my job, no car you want a car you buy it like I had to when I was 16, by the time i was 18 I saved enough money to buy my 57 Chevy in 1968. I had my first speeding ticket in that car and that was my last speeding ticket because it was expensive. A lesson learned, come up to Kasold and park in the church lot on friday night and watch the show. Raise the age to 18 lets vote on it. The young lady said she was against any idea of raising the age.. hey sweety you are not old enough to VOTE so your opinion is nothing. Driving is a privledge.. not a gift!

Linda Endicott 11 years, 10 months ago

Kids can get a learner's permit at age 14...or they could when I was a kid. You could get a restricted license at 14, and a full license at 16. The learner's permit meant you had to have a licensed driver with you, over the age of 21 (at that time) in order to drive the car. At 15 you could drive on your own, IF you were going to or from school, by the shortest possible route, or doing farm work, again by the shortest possible route, limiting your time driving alone. With the restricted license at age 15, you could drive anytime if you had a licensed driver 21 or older in the car with you.

I knew kids all the time that violated these laws. They would tool all over town after school, and tell their parents that they "came right home". And it was amazing how many of those parents didn't know the law at all, and thought little Johnny could legally have a full license at 15. They didn't know until little Johnny got pulled over and ticketed.

Do we all really think that little Johnny still isn't lying to his parents?

Though I could have done it sooner, I didn't get a license until I had my own car first, at the age of 23. It didn't kill me. I found ways to get around, and some of them were walking, something that someone said we should encourage more of in kids anyway.

Let's face it, kids don't want driver's licenses because they NEED to go anywhere. They want them because it's cool, and they want to go out and play.

And if they raised the legal age to 18, then if something happened in the car it would all be on little Johnny's head himself, and not his parents. He would have to deal with it, as an adult.

Sigmund 11 years, 10 months ago

"For the five-year period ending in 2004, 14- to 17-year-old drivers in Kansas were involved in 60,013 crashes, 26,050 injuries and 273 fatalities."

Lets do the maths and run the numbers. That is 12,003 accidents, 5,210 injuries, and 54.6 deaths per year. So over half of the accidents every year result in no injury and a slightly more than one teen driver per week is killed in all of Kansas. NOW LETS ASSUME THAT NOT EVERY ACCIDENT A TEEN WAS INVOLVED WITH WAS THE TEENS FAULT (a very reasonable assumption) and the numbers of accidents, injuries and deaths involving teens AND caused by teens fall drammatically.

Further, it seems to me that teens drive more miles than adults because they have more free time and are more social. It would not unusual that they would be involved in more accidents for that reason alone (more miles, more opportunity to hit or be hit). More instructive would be the number of accidents per mile driven rather than just the total.

So the vast majority of teen drivers are not a particular problem and you still want restrict all teens driving? As to the stereotype male teen versus female teen drivers, there is NO differences between them, they are equally skilled drivers and that is why insurance companies charge them the same premium.

No your not overreacting here, not one little bit!

cutelovemonkey38 11 years, 10 months ago

I think the driving age is fine. Sure there are a lot of immature drivers, but what about the mature ones, they deserve to drive, i think they should get rid of the written tests and make people take an actual driving test before they can get any kind of a licence. Including a learners permit and a restricted. That way they know the driving laws and they proved they can actually drive, a written test is nothing, there are so many ways to cheat on that test anyways.

Soapdish 11 years, 10 months ago

My hubster thinks there should be "Dry only","Wet Provision", and "Night Provision" permits. Some folks should only drive when it's day light, moderate wind, no rain. Others: Day time and rain. Last segment: Can handle just about any driving condition. Sadly I think this would take too many tax dollars to place into effect.

It's all about maturity levels and ability. I know 40 year olds that can't drive out of a wet paper bag and an 18 year old that could not only drive like a champ but fix just about anything on his car. It's a nightmare to predict and no matter what, they'll still get it wrong.

acg 11 years, 10 months ago

I would agree with your hubby on that one soapdish. My parents should never be allowed behind a wheel if it's night. My brother can't drive in any type of precipitation without almost wrecking, almost every time!! I'm a good driver, but I drive too fast. Go figure! I drive faster now than I did when I was 16. Age isn't always the determining factor.

mom_of_three 11 years, 10 months ago

I have a 16 year old who can not yet drive, because I have to pay for driver's ed lessons from Topeka, and a kid who will be turning 14 in October, and wants to study for the restricted license already. The 16 year old isn't ready to drive yet, and I am okay with that. And I think the 14 year old will be a better driver than the older one. And the license restriction will be enforced.
My husband was allowed to drive anywhere he wanted at 15, but I know he won't allow it for his kids.
And my first car was older than I was. No kid of mine is driving a nicer car than the parents are driving!!

Avalanche300 11 years, 10 months ago

Jeannine Swanson what a stupid remark "maybe 21 for boys." Each sex has matture & immature drivers. It doesn't matter if you are a male or female. What about all the women who put there makeup on while driving? I see alot of that! Should they up the age limit to them also? What about the people that are running late or just not paying attention while driving because that have a cell phone attached to their head? (Both men & women) Uping the driving age limit is not the answer. Better Drivers Ed may not be the answer either. Parents riding along with their teenage drivers to make sure they are ready could be the answer. How about more parents taking responsibility for their future drivers. That's how I learned.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 10 months ago

OK, I've changed my mind! After picking up the wee ones from school...I've decided that very few people should be allowed to drive at all. (Present company excluded, of course.) :)

BunE 11 years, 10 months ago

Um, "maybe 21 for boys." ...

Tongue seemed to be planted firmly in her cheek.

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deskiedennis 11 years, 10 months ago

If people are upset about 16 and 17 year old people getting into car accidents they should lower the driving age to 14. That way when people turn 16 they will have two years of experience and be better drivers. We should also put a maximum driving age of 70 years old. Maybe 40 would be better. I'm only 23 and every time someone almost hits me on the road they seem to be middle aged.

jonas 11 years, 10 months ago

Late to the game, but didn't we just talk about this topic two months or so ago?

I still think some age restrictions or additional tests could be a useful direction in which to direct our thinking, but only if we start applying some of the same tests and restrictions to the opposite end of the spectrum, at 55.

Yes, Sue, it still should be 55! mwahahahhahahahahahahah

davisnin 11 years, 10 months ago

None of these stats say anything about how long these kids were driving right? All the 14 year olds are first year drivers sure, maybe all the wrecks in the 18 year old category are cause by people that didn't start driving till 18 and there are less people like that. Its an incomplete statistic to base policy on, well except for knee jerk reactionary policy which is a Lawrence city council favorite. When I was 16 I almost died when a 70 year old woman drove across a 4 lane divided highway into my lane (far right) and ran me off the road, she didn't even notice. Other than that no wrecks (28).

Side note: That graduated system doesn't involve any drunk driving training, so how will they be able to do it well? Sense Memory...

Nachtwolf 11 years, 10 months ago

You know, rather than focusing on the minimum age, I think we should start looking at a MAXIMUM age . . .

beatrice 11 years, 10 months ago

jonas, you put an interesting twist to the Sammy Hagar song "I Can't Drive (I'm) 55!" (For you youngsters like jonas, Sammy Hagar was a rock and roll singer popular in the 1970s and '80s who started his career with the band Montrose, then went solo, and for a time in the '90s fronted the band VanHalen. For the really young, rock and roll was the most popular form of music among young adults in the years before Rap and Hip Hop.)

ceal, nice to see KU is treating its employees so well! Now, get back to work!

Drive at 16. Otherwise, the military will have to include Driver's Ed to Basic Training. Just make it easier to have a license of a teen revoked if he gets multiple tickets or accidents in a given period.

Nachtwolf 11 years, 10 months ago

And for clarification:

Learner's Permit is attainable at 14, meaning you can drive, but only as long as there is an adult/guardian in the front seat with you.

Restricted Liscense is attainable at 15, meaning you can drive to work or school by yourself, but anywhere else follows the rules of the Learner's Permit.

Full liscense is attainable at 16.

With all of these steps, as well as the six weeks (if I remember correctly) of driver's ed, I don't see a problem. There are drivers just as bad in every age range as there are in the teen range. Just because you don't hear about something as often doesn't mean it isn't happening.

My only real complaint is that the driver's ed did not include a section on roundabouts. Nobody seems to understand them, and I'm just waiting for the day when you hear about someone dying on one. I think that all drivers should have to take a short class or test on them.

Nachtwolf 11 years, 10 months ago

Oh man, if someone is old enought to be on here and doesn't know who Sammy Hagar was, that's just sad. I'm 18 and I know. Classic Rock should be a required school course, if you ask me. It's culture.

stlcards515 11 years, 10 months ago

Hey Jeannine, or should i call you SEXIST!!!

First of all what do you have against male drivers. There are bad girl drivers too. Girls are the ones that look in the mirror, put on their make up, and do their hair while driving.

21? Are you kidding? It should stay the way it is. there are bad drivers who are 35. There are bad drivers who are 70. Should there me a maximum age limit? If you are mature enough to drive only at 21, would you become too senile at a certain age also?

Nachtwolf 11 years, 10 months ago

With my max age remark, I was actually joking. However, I do think that there should be a mandatory driving test every 5 years after attaining your liscense as a precaution.

Ceallach 11 years, 10 months ago

bea makes some very good points. Leave the age the way it's been since the ice age when I learned to drive, but help them learn to be more responsible with stiffer penalties. Although, I think drivers of all ages should have more severe penalties for driving infractions and all ages should be required to take a driving test when it is renewal time. That should help thin the herd :)

bea, they've been extracting their pound of flesh regularly!! I can hardly play on the OTS board anymore . . . something has to change How goes it in your neck of the woods?

capncorrupto 11 years, 10 months ago

Nice sexist comment by Jeannine! How about all of the air-head blondes who put on make-up and eat while driving. Oh, I'm sorry - it's just the teenage boys who cause trouble.

beatrice 11 years, 10 months ago

capn, nice way to point out someone being a sexist -- by being one yourself! Brilliant!

Ceal, life is good here, but I am tired of the heat and ready for summer to end already! Too many days over 100, with the highest being 118! ugh. Fortunately, we took a nice vacation to Rio. Beautiful beaches and beautiful people. Plus, the exchange rate is certainly in our favor. If you have never been - go!

sunflower_sue 11 years, 10 months ago

Man 'o Man! I'm finding it a hoot that the sexist comment towards men is getting so much attention. I can tell who the drivers of the "compensation cars" are! Hee hee!

Bea, you forgot to take me to Rio? :*(
Besides, Ceal doesn't need a vacation. She still needs 2 more weeks to recoup from all that partying she did w/ Ms_C in Canada!

sunflower_sue 11 years, 10 months ago

Damian, I picked up a package of hamburger with "your price" on it the other day. I quickly put it back down and opted for the other pkg. You cannot tempt me with your 93% lean ground beef!

Ceallach 11 years, 10 months ago

You got that right, sue! The woman is a perpetual motion machine. We had a very good time, and the folk music festival alone was worth the trip. Celtic music abounded!! Sigh . .

Also, her good man is a real peach! He was a very good sport considering that his wife was allowing a total stranger (to him) into his home!

Gotta sign off tonight.

All y'all have a good one!!

Manana (I hope)

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