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Do you think the intersection of Sixth Street and the South Lawrence Trafficway is a good place for a shopping center?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on August 19, 2006

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Photo of Kristina Clement

“I don’t think so. I think it’s too far out there. People traveling by might go there, but not people from Lawrence.”

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“I’m not so certain it is. That’s kind of a nice little green area. With all the available space here in town, I think it would be better left as it is.”

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“They’re putting a shopping center there? You’re kidding. I just don’t see how a shopping center in that location would get very much business.”

Photo of Joel Thompson

“Sure. It’s out of the way, but it’s better than Sixth and Wakarusa.”

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jonas 11 years, 9 months ago

"I don't think so. I think it's too far out there. People traveling by might go there, but not people from Lawrence."

  • Kristina Clement, Kansas University junior, Lawrence

How do you travel by might? Sounds impressive, and like a group of people that I'd like to know!

sunflower_sue 11 years, 9 months ago

Yes, I'd like nothing better than to spend and extra $3 on gas getting there so that I can pay $4 for a cup of coffee while shopping for my new $1600 refridgerator. Can't wait!

Richard Heckler 11 years, 9 months ago

Where is the business? Basically Lawrence is a very small town especially when compared to KC/JOCO metro and Topeka. So long as nothing is done about the 15,000 or more job commuters the local economy is not going to change significantly. Those commuters spend money elsewhere which is not a new phenomenon.

Take a look around and we find downsized big named stores including Sears and Penney's. Why? Because the retail dollars are not available that would justify more square footage. More selection and better pricing exist in the huge retail areas that surround Lawrence and are not that far away.

Cities throughout the USA are restoring downtowns not only for living but also for retail. Lawrence is a great place to live but it has it's retail dollar limits. Most people did not locate to Lawrence to watch it become Topeka or Kansas City.

Wal-Mart and that bogus new urbanism project are also on the table for construction at 6th and Wakarusa. The old Wal-Mart has expanded. Obviously no one has done an economic impact study for any of these new proposals on an individual basis.

One major problem in Lawrence is that our powers that be think that because a speculator buys a piece of property that automatically dictates the right to build or develop. Not so. Buying land is like playing Wall Street...sometimes you win sometimes you don't. In Lawrence the real estate industry and developers are actually the city county planners which is why our taxes are so inflated.

Yes people love to visit Lawrence for it's college sports,art shows,music and it's downtown. Perhaps this ought to be the focus for further economic development? Empty space is not a tax burden until infrastructure is installed. How many more parks, rec centers, fire trucks,police cars,trash trucks,criminal activity and city staff do we want to add to our already inflated tax bills?

People moving into Lawrence appear to have slowed significantly? Is it because of too much crappy housing contruction,high taxes,lack of high paying jobs, high gasoline prices or what?

irnmadn88 11 years, 9 months ago

Posted by merrill

"In Lawrence the real estate industry and developers are actually the city county planners which is why our taxes are so inflated."

Shhh. That is one of Lawrence's dirty little secrets...

jayhawktownie 11 years, 9 months ago

it will do well as long as there aren't snakes

GardenMomma 11 years, 9 months ago

Sure. It's out of the way, but it's better than Sixth and Wakarusa."

  • Joel Thompson, geographical information system analyst, Lawrence


Isn't that what the question is asking? If 6th & Wakarusa is a good place for a new shopping center?

GardenMomma 11 years, 9 months ago

Okay, I suppose the SLT and Wakarusa ARE about 1/2 a mile apart.

stlcards515 11 years, 9 months ago

I think it's good. It will build lawrence further out 6th street, finally justifying that 45 mph speed limit. Right now there is nothing out there except a church, it should be atleast 55, but that's another story

GardenMomma 11 years, 9 months ago

Oh, ew! Taxidermy AND Cheese Making in the same store? Yuck-O.

: )

sunflower_sue 11 years, 9 months ago

OMB, I can teach the cheese making class for you! Do you pay well? How are the benefits?

Linda Aikins 11 years, 9 months ago

Sue, I cheddar to think, but not too gouda.

Sigmund 11 years, 9 months ago

Sears and Penny's have had problems more than in just Lawrence and I am certain Walmart has done a market study and feel they will be able to compete and make money. Frankly I trust their judgement alot more then the City or Traffic Safety Kommissions! Unlike those Kommissions they are successful and are held responsible for their decisions.

Lawrence will never become Topeka or Kansas City, we will never be the capital of the State (thank god) and we will never attract enough jobs. There is nothing here except a cute but increasingly empty downtown and KU.

Downtown landlords and business don't want to compete with Walmart, who can blame them? But until rents downtown become more reasonable they must charge the prices they do just to pay taxes and rents. The only way prices are going to be reasonable here (both for retail space and retail goods) is to allow the larger companies to compete here.

I'm sure the Merc doesn't want to compete with Walmart, they won't be able raise their prices to pay for all the new taxes the City has imposed let alone keep up wages with the cost of living. Ditto for the downtown landlords who increasingly see their monopoly of retail space being eroded, buildings sitting empty, tax bills coming due and no one to rent. Eventually they will have to lower their rents, accept corporate tennants (Starbucks, Ben and Jerry's, etc) or allow the buildings to sit empty.

The crash in downtown real estate is coming and trying to postpone the inevitable by restricting competition will work for a little while. The problem is when your protectionism of downtown does fail the crash will be that much worse. You can only soak the Citizens of Lawrence (high prices, taxes, and rentals) so long before they can't afford Downtown prices and are forced into the open arms of Walmart.

ms_canada 11 years, 9 months ago

OMB - I have heard that ss does indeed make excellent cheese.

ms_canada 11 years, 9 months ago

S_S -I would give a lot right now for some of your chevre

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