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What do you think about the arrest of a suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation?
Asked at Massachusetts Street on August 17, 2006
“It seems very strange that after all this time they would find someone who was involved.”
“I’m still sold that it was the parents. I’d have to hear the guy confess and be sure it was a sane, genuine confession to change my opinion.”
“I couldn’t care less. It didn’t ever deserve to be in the national spotlight. It matters to the people involved, but not to people on a national level.”
“It’s about time. I hope it’s the right guy.”
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Comments
hottruckinmama 7 years, 6 months ago
i think its great. but its to bad it her mom didn't get to live long enough to see it happen.
Richard Heckler 7 years, 6 months ago
I'm very curious as to what led them to this suspect...
classclown 7 years, 6 months ago
How many people here publicly convicted her parents? Not that I'm expecting any of you to admit it.
Kelly Powell 7 years, 6 months ago
I did....and like contestant number two says, I will still think they had something to do with it until proved otherwise......Oh ya, i also thought oj did it and michael jackson and the dude who played berreta were guilty.....basically my kneejerk reaction is to believe that all people who are richer then me are guilty......not that it usually matters they can afford the law.
kawryan 7 years, 6 months ago
merrill:
Behold the power of MySpace!
I do have to agree with Quinn Long on this one.
geekin_topekan 7 years, 6 months ago
Wouldn't you have to have a lot of surplus $$$ to travel to Thailand?Wouldn't you say that the Ramsey's had $$$?People with $$$ tend to hang with others who have $$$.Just like OJ,they may not have committed the crime but they know who did.And they ain't talking. Why haven't the Holloways been arrested yet?They sure through a lot of smoke screens out.Takes $$$ to buy that much diversion.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
I'm surprised that the remaining Ramseys haven't been all over the media flipping the bird at the media that convicted them. Will there be defimation of character lawsuits? I thought that creepy Patsy Ramsey did it too Classclown.
geekin_topekan 7 years, 6 months ago
Hey I spelled 'threw' wrong.Thought Id better correct it before my grammar is defamated by those with such retention.
oldgranny 7 years, 6 months ago
I think if the parents wouldn't have been parading the poor little girl around like that it wouldn't have happened.
Happlie 7 years, 6 months ago
At First thought it was Dad with Moms help to cover up. Haven't thought much of it anymore. I hope this is the guy and that this family can finally have some peace.
sgtwolverine 7 years, 6 months ago
Not to be heartless or anything, but I did not want to hear more about this case. I am sick of it. Let those close to the situation hear the news, and leave the rest of the nation out of it.
trinity 7 years, 6 months ago
geekin i agree with you, good post...even with the grammar faux pas! :)
sgtwolverine 7 years, 6 months ago
Remarkably_Inventive: NASCAR: Nothing Anyone Should Care About, Really. No, seriously, it's a fine diversion for many, but it is not on my list.
It is definitely not humid here anymore. In fact, it's quite pleasant. Summer will pack its belongings before too long.
Lebanon has an army?
(Yes, of course I would answer those questions.)
alm77 7 years, 6 months ago
So back to the topic. I thought Patsy had something to do with it too. I felt horrible when I read the headlines last night. Then I felt bad that Patsy wasn't around to see this herself.
I just wonder who this guy is and what his connection was. The whole thing seems really weird. Was he some sort of "fan" or something? Maybe one of those beauty contest judges? I don't know. Creepy.
craigers 7 years, 6 months ago
Let the family move on. I'm glad they found the guy, but what they heck took so long?
craigers 7 years, 6 months ago
And just for the record, I think Caleb's last name up there is pretty cool. "Skulskie" Just has a good ring to it.
betti81 7 years, 6 months ago
I watched footage of the suspect being moved this morning. He said: "I loved JonBenet and she died accidentally".(not sure what the question was asked to prompt this statement.) When asked if he was an innocent man (or person) he said: "no". It was on CNN Headline news so maybe the clip is still there. The report also said Patsy Ramsey knew this person was a suspect before she died. It did not say anything about IF or HOW this person is connected to the Ramsey's.
I haven't had my coffee yet, so if someone finds the clip, they should post it. The guy is creepy.
ms_canada 7 years, 6 months ago
Man oh man - what a crazy world. John Mark Karr says he was with JonBenet when she died by accident. A little 6 year old girl is raped, beaten and strangled and that is an accident. I am losing it here. How come no one in the house heard this child being raped and beaten? Was the house so large?
beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago
So, the lesson to learn is -- don't make your tot dress up and act like a tart. If you do, and something bad happens t
beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago
Whoa, I only got a partial posting. I concluded by typing: If you do, and something bad happens to the child, they will blame the parents.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Mrs. C, The pictures/maps that I have seen of the house show it to be a large house with alot of twists and turns.
I am unsure which news source it came from, but I heard last night that Mr. Karr indicated that it was kidnapping gone awry. Although the thingy that was tied around her neck doesn't seem like any sort of accident.
One defense atty. on GMA said that there is a possibility that Mr. Karr is just a crackpot looking for attention and that if he were defending Mr. Karr, that is the defense that he would use. The Boulder Police indicated on last night's news that Mr. Karr had details of the crime that weren't previously published...
Boy, with all of this media attention, if the Boulder Police don't get a conviction, they will be the laughing stock of law enforcement community won't they?
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Those pagent folks are a unique breed aren't they? They vehimently defend what they are doing as building character and self esteem. Those little girls parading around in costumes with make up and hair extensions just look scary to me.
jayhawks71 7 years, 6 months ago
To add to the suspicion, CNN mentioned that his ex-wife didn't believe he did it because she was with him in Alabama when the girl was killed. I am still in the "attention grabber" mindset for now.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Nah, Marion, TOB knows its not the word, but the context it is used it that makes it racist. Besides, I can bribe him with a klondike bar...
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
whoops, typo! I SHOULD have said...it's not the word, but the context in which it is used that makes it racist...
acg 7 years, 6 months ago
I have no idea what to think of the JonBenet thing. I'll start with shame on her parents for dressing her up and parading her around like that. Second, I think the whole thing was screwy from the get go. I can't wrap my brain around the police not clearing the scene of people, getting forensic experts there immediately and searching the whole house top to bottom. I don't understand (money or not) why the Ramsey's felt it necessary to hire a publicist the day their daughter went missing and to top it all off, the "ransom note" asked for $118,000 in cash, the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus that year. Too weird. But, to flip that coin, the Ramseys passed their lie detector tests and those things aren't easy for a layperson to pass. So, who knows. No one, except JonBenet and the sicko that killed her.
I_Bejewel 7 years, 6 months ago
Does anybody not look at this guy and think about Lee Harvey Oswald?....."I'm just a patsy!" haha hehe. I'm picturing it now, Mr. Karr being led to the court house and Mr. Ramsey jumping out and shooting him in front of everyone. Then we'll never know.......darn!
sunflower_sue 7 years, 6 months ago
I'm waiting to see what the DNA says. Will the "unknown" DNA match Karr? This whole thing has been strange from the get-go. Too big of a piece missing from this puzzle.
Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 6 months ago
I go along with the theme of lets really check this guy out. I do not like to think a parent could do such terrible things but we hear about these things in the news every day. This guy is creepy but it could be all a lie news conf. at 11:00 see what they have to say but yuck........ If he is guilty hope they put him under the needle fast. I know not nice but da*n, he does not deserve nice if guilty.
Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 6 months ago
I think the house had 3 floors plus basement was a huge house the parents on third floor kids on second first floor kitchen and livingrooms ect. murder happened in basement. so I would guess if you gaged or druged her you could get her from bedroom to bsement without being heard. His ex says he was in alabama the whole time so I see alot of questions coming up on this case but time will tell I suppose. Still hate to think a parent could do this.
badger 7 years, 6 months ago
What do I think about it?
Honestly, I have tried not to think about it much at all for the last several years.
It was a sad tragedy that occurred almost a decade ago. There was a certain element of the population that was titillated by the case's salacious elements, basically the fact that an elementary-school-age girl was dressed and displayed in a highly sexualized manner by her parents and then killed in a way that suggested that her parents' actions might have had something to do with her death.
If the media furor over her murder had generated some sort of change, a close examination of these pageants, a change in the behaviour of the parents who dress kindergarteners up like little teenagers and encourage them to act provocatively, or even some sort of additional laws or regulations geared towards protecting the kids in these pageants, I might be less disgusted with the entire thing.
But it didn't. All it really seems to have generated is a sort of scandalized train-wreck (I blame omb) nosiness into the life of this poor girl, a lot of people putting on their shocked faces and saying, "Oh, how horrible and awful! Tell me more!" while they decide whether to consider the parents murderers or just really atrocious people for whom there shouldn't be any sympathy.
If he is guilty, I hope that he is convicted, and that the girl's spirit, her mother's spirit, and the rest of her family can finally have some peace.
torcia 7 years, 6 months ago
I love how a guy who pours beers for a living questions detectives who have been working on a case for 10 years. Know your role!
rhd99 7 years, 6 months ago
Yeah, you go, Officer Caleb! Caleb, you are as clueless as all get out. Yeah, here we are, folks, on the verge of solving one of this country's most disturbing murder cases, & Officer Caleb says that John & Patsy Ramsey KILLED their DAUGHTER! Wow, that coming from a bartender. Whew! What a relief he is not patrolling our streets, otherwise I would have taken him to woodshed & call for his badge & resignation. CALEB, WAKE UP & smell the coffee, chump & get your face out of the beer! By the way folks, since Officer Caleb & others still believe John & Patsy killed their own DAUGHTER, how does Patsy defend herself now? SHE IS DEAD! I hope John nails the media & the authorities for wrongful accusations leveled against him. He is owed SOME justice for his poor daughter's murder! Officer Caleb, go back to your bar & soak your head!
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Isn't the whole purpose of the "On the Street" and this board to post our opinions and discuss our differing thoughts? Caleb did say at the end that it was just his opinion. How about offering your contradictory opinion without attacking Caleb who may very well not know he needs to defend himself. Let's all take a deeeeep breath and find our happy place....
sgtwolverine 7 years, 6 months ago
I have to agree with southern on this. The question concerns something all of us know only through the news, which gives none of us much of a foundation for making dogmatic claims one way or another. The LJ was sensationalistic enough to ask people about this topic, and Caleb obliged with an answer. If tomorrow's question is, "What do you think of Caleb's credibility in answering yesterday's question?" then we already have our first answer.
Not to say commenting on the people who responded is off-limits or anything, but keep it civil. Caleb is only as clueless as everyone else here who has no direct knowledge of the Ramsey murder.
that_guy 7 years, 6 months ago
Heard on radio this morning, he was in on child pornography charges in Thailand, possibly using this as a way to not face the punishment there, and get back to U.S. Also reported, was that he "lived near them" when the Ramsey family lived in Atlanta.
rhd99 7 years, 6 months ago
Sorry southergirl, & wolverine. My attacks, however against the national media's shotty reporting on this case remains unchanged. THEY ASSUMED & John Ramsey said it best, it is in nobody's best interests in this case of his poor little girl's murder to jump to conclusions. Well, the media did so by painting both he & Patsy in a negative light without proof. Sorry Caleb. This case is so gripping, I am upset though that it took TEN years to find out part of the truth & that the tabloids & news networks could not tell the truth.
mom_of_three 7 years, 6 months ago
rhd99, The truth has not come out yet. There is a suspect who is confessing, but has the truth actually come out?? I remember being very sad at the death of a child, but didn't pay much attention when the finger pointing started. The Ramseys are not the only parents who have been blamed for their child's death in circumstances like this. One stepfather (Dowaliby) in Illinois was sent to prison before the real evidence was sought out by newspaper reporters, the family and a great lawyer.
The suspect was caught in a questionable part of Thailand, and his teaching license was removed for child abuse charges. He did know facts not published by the paper, according to the police. But his ex wife says he wasn't there, and it seems strange how he is confessing to the crime after all these years.
But hey, the truth will come out soon.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
I agree that our national press outlets have gotten away from reporting and more towards the tabloid sensationalism. They tried the Ramseys in the court of public opinion to the point that the family felt the need to hire a lawyer and media consultant which cast further doubt on them in the public eye. They couldn't win could they? As I said earlier, I thought Patsy was guilty, so I bought into the sensationalism along with the rest of the sheep. Maybe the family will be vindicated with the arrest and conviction. I agree though that this guy might be looking for attention... Additionally, ANY of my posted comments are my own opinion and not for the use of others for the purpose of proving their-er-"differing" views. Thanks d
lunacydetector 7 years, 6 months ago
yet ANOTHER school teacher abusing a child, except he supposedly accidentally killed her. this teacher thing is an epidemic.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Nah, lunacy, don't blame teachers, blame No Child Left Behind, it makes us want to kill the kids so we dont risk our jobs by leaving them behind. Blame the Republican government!
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
The Republican government killed Jon Benet Ramsey-there, I said it!
sgtwolverine 7 years, 6 months ago
I thought someone would blame Cheney before it got all the way to the Republican government.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Posted by RETICENT_IRREVERENT (anonymous) on August 17, 2006 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What has piqued my curiosity about this lurid, melodramatic, arrestive, farcical, infamous, yet stupefying and somnific case, would be the topography of the grounds surrounding the Ramsey house.
Was there a grassy knoll nearby?
...and John Mark Carr is their patsy! It's the Kennedy assisination all over again
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Okay guys, I have to go get kids from school. I have had a head cold all day, thanks for making what could have been a yucky day fun! d
lunacydetector 7 years, 6 months ago
google search:
school teacher abuse database
or
http://www.google.com/search?q=school+teacher+abuse+database&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr=
...and up comes 4,360,000 results.
...nuff said.
southerngirl 7 years, 6 months ago
Course some of those MIGHT be abuse of teachers-right? Okay, okay I'm leaving now... d
lunacydetector 7 years, 6 months ago
oh, here you go. gee, you figure most school teachers are democrats....hmmmmm
i was only pointing out yet ANOTHER child abused (but also murdered) by a teacher is all.
The US Department of Education has released a final report on teacher sexual abuse........
http://nsba.org/site/doc_cosa.asp?TRACKID=&DID=34103&CID=164
lunacydetector 7 years, 6 months ago
here's even a BETTER link:
http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2004/06/06302004.html
Christine Pennewell Davis 7 years, 6 months ago
time will tell but it would be nice to get this one solved once and for all.
jonas 7 years, 6 months ago
Wow, do a google search for parameters and you get 3,140,000 hits on google. If you eliminate Catholic from the search it goes up to 5,830,000! Clearly, according to this super-scientific method of inquiry, teachers, while not as bad as Catholic priests, are better than priests in general.
Just for giggles, you can do a search for and come back with 237 hits! Something you not telling us, lunacydetector? Of course, going from OUR specific lunacydetector to just general makes that # jump to 52,900!
As well, when you do a search for you get a total of 3,250,000 hits, where as if you include lunacy detector in the search perameters, as in: you only get 21,100 hits. So clearly there are less lunacy detectors out there than priests and teachers, which if my google calculations are correct, clearly proves, by this super-scientific method, that detectors of lunacy are, per-capita, much worse abusers of children than either priests or teachers.
Ceallach 7 years, 6 months ago
We really only need one name. Thanks, Ceallach :)
beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago
Mom-3: There is an even worse case out there. Recently, in Texas (of course), a man was executed for killing his children by setting his house on fire. Now, the forensics used as evidence against him have been proven incorrect. The man maintaned his innocence up to the very end. If there ever was a case for more stringent rulings on applying the death penalty, it is this one. http://www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2005/04/26/Opinion/Texas.Possible.Wrongful.Execution-937355.shtml?norewrite200608171643&sourcedomain=www.dailytexanonline.com
sunflower_sue 7 years, 6 months ago
I'm still inclined to think Patsy did it. Have you ever actually met a "stage mom?" They're wacko! (Yes, I know this will statement may get me into trouble...bring it on!)
Ceallach 7 years, 6 months ago
I truly hope this is the man responsible and the case will be resolved, for the sake of family and friends close to the child. However, it is far too early to assume he is indeed the killer and justice will be served. The entire investigation was bungled from the git-go!
Like so many other people, I was disgusted by the way the child was made up and dressed up like an adult woman and taught to pose and dance is a very adult manner. There is something wrong with the bonding when a parent can display their child in such a fashion. And I do believe, whomever it was that killed her, those exhibitions had something to do with the motivation.
btw, didn't they once say that the handwriting in the note was consistant with the mother's? Anyway, I too quit following it a long time ago -- too sad to dwell on something you cannot impact in any way.
Ceallach 7 years, 6 months ago
I strive to remain in fine company, RI, why else would I keep returning to the OTS board? Oh, never mind answering that :)
sunflower_sue 7 years, 6 months ago
tee hee OMB said "saber!" Does a saber whistle? The sight of a saber may make one whistle...
Ceallach 7 years, 6 months ago
The four winds converge on him, the air is charged with electricity, windows shatter, lightning flashes, the immortal is lifted into the air . . . . but, which one remains? I love that show!!!
Ceallach 7 years, 6 months ago
KANSAS CITY, KAN. - A dog trainer serving a 21-month sentence for helping a prison inmate escape has been charged with a federal weapons violation that could send her to prison for up to 10 more years.
In a federal grand jury indictment announced Thursday, Toby Young, 48, Kansas City, Kan., and John Manard, 27, are charged with firearms violations.
Oh no, does this mean we're going to have to watch her pathetic sniffing and crying to the cameras again? UGH!!
sunflower_sue 7 years, 6 months ago
" But I didn't know that it was wrong to help a con escape from jail, leave my hubby and kids, and buy some weapons and 'adult toys' and stuff." sniff, sniff
beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago
The Bobs will fight - much weaving and, well, bobbing, pleather will be shredded, but before one takes the other out for good they will realize they must quit battling each other and join forces to battle the true enemy -- Marion.
I'm so sad to learn that rightthinker got dumped. He seemed like such a good, even-tempered sort who truly cared for his fellow man. Now, a moment of silence. . . . . . Okay, moment is over. Lets make sure we flush twice to get rid of the remains.
badger 7 years, 6 months ago
beatrice -
No fair. You made me snerk my wine.
trollkiller 7 years, 6 months ago
Explain the mother's handwriting on the ransom note
Rightthinker probably got banned because Dave is such a lefty.
Arschloch got banned recently too.
I can't believe the intelligent get banned and the bankrupt stay.
justsomewench 7 years, 6 months ago
is the LJW website having issues or have i been quasi-banned? i no longer have an option to post at the end of articles.
i really prefer all my misbehaviors to be deliberate.
sunflower_sue 7 years, 6 months ago
Badger, exactly how does one "snerk" wine? Is titration involved in any way? Is there a tech college that offers a degree in snerking? Can we snerk while we watch the 2 Bobs 'battle it out' from the safety of our shuttered windows?
Wench, I don't think one can be quasi-banned. I take that back... the emperial, magnificent e_m was "quasi-banned." sniff
lunacydetector 7 years, 6 months ago
janus must be a school teacher. just read the report.
EvaTrujillo 7 years, 6 months ago
Mr. Long, excellent comment! You're so correct! But I suppose if the media is going to bombard us with this (like that Lacy case 24/7, then let's make something up like umm - like Ms Ramsy was prostituting her daughter and arranged something with the suspect). Seriously though, I really felt Mr. Long's comment was on target.
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