What is your opinion of the new Spanish language version of the national anthem? / LJWorld.com

Asked at Massachusetts Street on April 29, 2006

“I think it probably ought to stay in English. I wouldn’t expect people in Mexico to sing the English version of their national anthem. That would be disrespectful.”

— Greg Hildenbrand, program director, Lawrence

“I imagine it caters to a large portion of the population, so it’s probably about time.”

— Maggie Syme, Kansas University graduate student, Lawrence

“I think the national anthem of my country should have to be sung in my national language. Singing it in another language defeats the purpose behind it.”

— Shankar Agarwal, KU doctoral student, Lawrence

“I think it’s great. There are a lot of Spanish-speaking people in this country. And it’s not like they are changing the lyrics or the meaning, just the language.”

— Chris Romain, painter, Lawrence

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paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Estoy muy enojado y trastornado sobre el.

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Â¿Por que es cualquier persona obligaciÃ³n de abastecer a cualquier persona simplemente porque lo exigen?

jonas 7 years, 7 months ago

Porque tenemos nuestro himna nacional en Espanol?

This seems very. . . .well. . . . stupid! That's the word. While a supporter of open immigration laws, there's certainly no need to pretend that we are anything other than an English speaking country, and reinventing our anthem seems a denial of our heritage.

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Nunca, en el hisory de los Estados Unidos, tiene un subcultivo, especialmente ilegÃ-timo, esperÃ³ que la poblaciÃ³n en general hablara su lengua materna. QuizÃ¡s, su porque los americanos no tienen hoy ninguna identidad, orgullo, o cohesivness nacional verdadero pues una gente unificada. Nuestra culpabilidad falsa, usada como medios de redistribuir abundancia, nos estÃ¡ minando, y nos destruirÃ¡ eventual.

ksmattfish 7 years, 7 months ago

Freedom of speech probably includes translation into other languages. There are much more important things to be worrying about. Shame on the media for making news out of non-news, and distracting us from real issues. Shame on any politician who takes the bait, and spends a cent of tax payer money worrying about it.

satchel 7 years, 7 months ago

They have done it in spanish AND changed the words... That is wrong, and should not be 'accepted'.. What is it with some of these idiots who commented in the paper? Geez, I would say to those idiots.. Leave and go live in Canada, or better yet, Mexico! See how you like it there!

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Esta ocurrencia es simbÃ³lica e indicative de una amenaza importante, seria a la misma naturaleza y quizÃ¡s la supervivencia de la vida como la sabemos en America. QuizÃ¡s, aÃ°n mÃ¡s que la amenaza de terroristas extranjeros o de religiones, porque esta estÃ¡ aquÃ- y el ahora estÃ¡ y es puerta siguiente derecha. La economÃ-a, la misma naturaleza de relaciones y de la estructura sociales, la naturaleza del sistema educativo, las caracterÃ-sticas fundamentales de su vecindad y su comunidad estÃ¡n en el riesgo. Â¿Que ediciÃ³n podÃ-a ser mÃ¡s verdadera o mÃ¡s importante que esa?

average 7 years, 7 months ago

Man, if the homeland needs such a vehement defence of its symbols, it is in a frighteningly weak state. A strong country would much stronger than spanish-speaking patriots or flag defilers.

Solti 7 years, 7 months ago

Amen to Greg, Shankar, and Macon!

I sure don't mind them being here...but if they're going to stay in America, they've got to learn the American language. That's what my ancestors did in the late 1800's. It's what your ancestors did too. Why change now? Welcome, but learn English, please!

Jayhawk226 7 years, 7 months ago

Maybe these "patriot" Americans will begin burning Mexican churches, or iglesias de Mexicanos, as they did the Irish Catholics in the 1800s.

Or, as "patriot" Americans did to the Irish, post signs on storefronts--"No Irish Need Apply" or "No Paddy Need Apply!"

Well guess what the Irish did, they banded together and declared they will live their lives, blended with the new American cultures and hold onto their own...but they are going to get a piece of the American $$$ pie.

And that they did.

Soon they entered political office...Tammany Hall and political machines were created all throughout major metropolitan areas throughout the country.

Cities like New York, Chicago and Boston then became "great" American cities...with the Irish leaders running the shows, drating/ratifying the laws, counting the votes, collectively organizing laborers, policing its neighborhoods, and sucking/skimming/grifting money from its own people and the "patriot" Americans.

It's very easy to say--speak English or go home, be Protestant or go home, "get a job" or go home, look like me or go home, sing the NATIONAL anthem (comprised of all nationalities) in my language or go home etc. etc. etc.

Perhaps I'm being too accepting and tolerant at this time.

But people definitely have to relax and understand this newly created song, "Our Anthem," that uses some recognizable melodies and lyrics from America's Star Spangled Banner is not intended to replace and substitute our National Anthem at all. They are making a statement and speaking out..and their method of doing so was to use our National Anthem as its foundation for its principles.

Whether you agree with its lyrics or their cause...embrace the fact they chose our beautiful National Athem and try hard to not look at it as a disgrace.

We live in a country where people express opinions in many ways.

Some of our own Americans decide to express those opinions by calling art an American flag on the floor, or freedom of speech by burning the American flag, or worse yet...blowing up our own federal buildings.

I see no harm in the creation of "Our Anthem."

If this movement, or lyrics, soon become hurtful and threatening toward America...I will definitely have a problem.

In the meantime, let them sing, or cantan. It's only a song. Only lyrics.

Those of us who are legal Americans and true patriots...we recognize and understand and RESPECT the true National Anthem.

Maybe this will be the wake-up call to idiotic and moranic Chiefs fans to understand the entire country is obvioulsy VERY AGAINST changing lyrics to the National Anthem.

And the Home of the Brave!!!!!!!!!!

KsTwister 7 years, 7 months ago

I don't think anyone who is not a citizen has a right to sing it at all. If they really cared to become a citizen it would not now be a problem for all of us and our children. How far do think a foreign country would allow Americans to change their anthems and laws. Go home or start filling out papers,but do it right or not at all.Press 1 for English.

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Buenos pensamientos de Jayhawk226-Very expresados allÃ-. Encuentro muy interesante que es esta demostraciÃ³n reciente de la presencia hispÃ¡nica asÃ- que untypical de la naturaleza de hispanos que he conocido. Es una tentativa forzar la aceptaciÃ³n de la sociedad americana y bully su manera sobre la escena americana. Esto no se parece ser normalmente caracterÃ-stico de la gente que he conocido. Los hispanos que I ha conocido han sido siempre mucho mÃ¡s sutiles y graciosos. Debido a esta estrategia, irÃ³nico, el movimiento se parece crear una respuesta anormal del contragolpe entre americanos, que estÃ¡ lastimando probablemente su causa. Me pregunto sobre los orÃ-genes y los motivos de los organizadores y de los lÃ-deres de esta sublevaciÃ³n reciente. Â¿Quienes son ellos y que pudieron sus intenciones verdaderas ser?

Jackie Jackasserson 7 years, 7 months ago

I am tired of people saying English is the American language - Anglos pushed their way into this country and then rather than learning the national language(s) insisted the native people speak English. It is only through Anglo immigration that this country speaks, primarily, English.

And I am still not sure why learning a foreign language isn't mandatory in all schools. There are two neighboring countries with different languages, and all Americans could benefit from foreign language fluency.

classclown 7 years, 7 months ago

So at a sporting event, would we have to stand and listen to the anthem in both languages? Or would we push 1 for english...?

Jayhawk226 7 years, 7 months ago

macon47--While I probably can be dubbed a young liberal, please do not assume that I am any less patriotic or knowing of our country.

I do not condone the recent demonstrations because of what the over-arching logic is. They are asking for amnesty and demanding "rights" for non-legal American citizens. I am against all of that.

My entry was in response to the question: What is my opinion of the Spanish language-based "Our Anthem," or Nuestro Himno.

Jayhawk226 7 years, 7 months ago

classclown--Nuestro Himno is not the Star-Spangled Banner...it uses melodies and some lyrics from it.

Nuestro Himno is a song that has been dubbed "our anthem."

I think the media can be blamed for this HUGE misconception.

Jayhawk226 7 years, 7 months ago

At a sporting event does anybody stand and take off their hats for the Canadian national anthem?

"Oh Canada...." blah blah blah.

I stand, but I don't take my hat off...I wasn't sure how rude I was being. But I never really cared either.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 7 months ago

Who needs a national anthem of any kind, anyway? If I happen to be at an event where it is sung, such as an athletic event where the singing of a national anthem couldn't more irrelevant, I do my best to ignore it. If someone thinks they need to sing it in Spanish, I'll do my best to ignore that, too.

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Se parece a mÃ- que debido a el desastre de Iraq y de todo el associatied comportamiento arrogante y opportunistic por el gobierno y las corporaciones americanos, eso que ha fijado el sentimiento flojo y el comportamiento contra-Americanos fervientes mundiales. Ahora cualquiera puede hacer cualquier cosa y decir cualquier cosa contra America con la bendiciÃ³n y la aprobaciÃ³n de la poblaciÃ³n del mundo en grande. Las fuerzas Contra-Americanas se han dado la luz verde y han capitalizado en este sentimiento global. Y, quizÃ¡s, han llevado la guerra nosotros, surreptitiously, aquÃ- en el paÃ-s, disquished como algo mÃ¡s y sin la gente americana uniforme sabiendo que estÃ¡ sucediendo.

H_Lecter 7 years, 7 months ago

I love to eat a little Mexican now & then.

The big ones can be tasty too.

enochville 7 years, 7 months ago

Wow, 33 posts by 10:00am on a Saturday. People must feel strong about this.

I really don't care. I am ok with it.

jimincountry 7 years, 7 months ago

Outlaw posters writing Mexican-language messages!

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

Ola, amigos! En mi pais hay dos lenguas oficiales, ingles y francais. Nuestro himno nacional tiene dos versiones, ingles y francais, pero las palabras estan mismos en los dos. Hi guys - in my country there are two official languages, english and french. Our national anthem has two versions, english and french, but the words are the same in the two. That is, they have the same meaning. I would see nothing wrong with the US having two versions of your anthem as long as the meaning of the words was the same in both. Why should your new citizens not be allowed to sing the anthem in a language that flows easiest off their tongues. Now as to Canadians removing their hats while singing the N. A. I have long been ashamed of some of our citizens for the lack of respect that they show our N. A. I have noticed the difference between US and Can. fans at baseball and hockey games. US fans are far more respectful. That has always impressed me. Some of our people never even bother to sing our N. A. probably never even bothered to learn the words. I do and I think I even know all the words to your N. A. And if I saw the words to it in espanol, I would be able to sing those also. Porque yo hablo espanol tambien. :o)

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

QuizÃ¡s, usted estÃ¡ comenzando a ver el punto que estoy intentando hacer.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

paladin - Usted necesita un diccionario. Yo tengo uno extra. Yo puedo mandarlo a Usted, si lo quiere.

KsTwister 7 years, 7 months ago

Well said. I am very tired of getting writers cramp at the keyboard because your Congressmen in Kansas (my apologies to Moore and Ryan ) are a bunch of thieving racketeering big business suck ups. And their are deaf to the people of their state. Come Monday I will gladly pay for the gas of one bus filled with illegals heading to Mexico. The money I save on their assistance programs can help the LEGAL Americans who need it.

jimincountry 7 years, 7 months ago

Spanish/Mexican-language posters, you're acting childishly proud of your linguistic ability!

average 7 years, 7 months ago

Er, I hate to correct Ms Canada on her own national anthems, but the French version of 'O Canada' (which was written first) is actually quite different from the English. In part, poetic licence, to make it fit the song better.

But, I've been in the Ottawa area for Canada Day. Hearing the two sung together is very nice.

geekin_topekan 7 years, 7 months ago

Paladin, I'll have the #3 Platter but could I get that with chicken instead? Where'd the HOT waitress go?

(only spanish I know)

happygolucky 7 years, 7 months ago

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paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

ms_canada-Â¿Si quien lo desea? Â¿Quien es ella?

leftwingfarmboy 7 years, 7 months ago

Woody Guthrie's 'This Land is Your Land' should be the national anthem anyway...

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

OMB - good article - we did have a lot of hard feelings about that in 1977 - no enlgish signs etc. anywhere, but things have quietened down considerably. Average - you are correct and I stand corrected. Translation can be very confusing it being nearly impossible to translate word for word. It is the thought and meaning as a whole that is the important thing. jimincountry - true a bit of pride was showing there. but all in fun. A lot of old posters here know that I have some knowledge of other languages. You will have noticed that I provided a translation and my words were brief.

orchid 7 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone know? Has the U.S. officially made English the national language? I think I remember this being debated several years ago...

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

Su interesar quien es trastornada y amenazada por mis postings y quien no es. Muy diciendo. Â¡Alas, a mi propia gente hacia fuera me echo simplemente porque ella no me entiende!

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

paladin - yo soy canadien. No deseo ninguna. Quien es Usted? Donde vive? En Lawrence?

classclown 7 years, 7 months ago

Maybe we should make "Get Back" from The Beatles our new anthem. With some alterations...

Pedro was a man who thought he was a loner But he knew it wouldn't last. Pedro left his home in Baja California For some California grass. Get back, get back. Get back to where you once belonged Get back, get back. Get back to where you once belonged. Get back Pedro. Go home Get back, get back. Back to where you once belonged Get back, get back. Back to where you once belonged. Get back Pedro.

It's a rough draft. Anyone got any ideas to finish it/ improve it?

jimincountry 7 years, 7 months ago

USA citizens are gullible or stupid if they believe this propaganda from the bleeding-heart liberal press about how we need illegal aliens taking over the work force. The confiscation of our tax money for the benefit of illegals and the enriching of criminal employers who hire these illegals should stop! True, some of these illegals would make fine citizens but stop the influx then deal with making those here citizens or send them home.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

paladin - lo siento mucho, pero yo no tengo ningun intencion a trastomar o amenazar Usted. Yo tengo dificultades en entenderle. Es verdad. Lo siento.

average 7 years, 7 months ago

A number of states have English as an official language. New Mexico specifically recognizes Spanish along with English as official languages.

There's a bigger problem, a part of the United States where Spanish is the primary spoken official language. Puerto Rico. I think it's entirely reasonable for the born American, proud Americans of Puerto Rico to sing a version of the National Anthem in Spanish.

torinmia 7 years, 7 months ago

why not? aren't we the ultimate melting pot?

orchid 7 years, 7 months ago

thanks average.

Jay_Z 7 years, 7 months ago

My opinion is that it SUCKS. Don't come here disrespecting us (well, I would guess most of us, since some people amazingly seem to be okay with this) by changing our national anthem!!!

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

ms_canada-Soy un ciudadano del mundo. No importa donde resido.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

paladin/champion/hero - that is true, it is of no importance and I guess if I don't understand you, that is also of no importance and we had better quit this silly nonense before we raise the ire of other posters. Agreed?

paladin 7 years, 7 months ago

happygolucky 7 years, 7 months ago

If English isn't the standard, why is the the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, among other Official Papers drafted only in English. Hum, can one of you spanish supporting retards answer that? After 200+ years, you just now what to change this. Why don't we send all of the illegals to Iraq, and if they make it back, we can work something out. If they don't want to go, then ship them back to mexico on a bus or in a bag. Doesn't matter to me. I'm sure we can find room for all you turncoats too. You'll fit right in. We have no need for you here.

GreenEyedBlues 7 years, 7 months ago

Why can't we allow for two versions of the National Anthem? If another culture loves our country so much that they'll adapt our anthem into their tongue, we should feel proud.

Instead, Amurricans are on the defensive. Truth be told, if there were to be a mass deportation TODAY, our industries would suffer.

I think that learning more than one language is too much of a challenge for those who would oppose this change.

Why? Because we're AMERICA, and we don't change for anybody. It's sad that most European nations know this, and are willing to learn English, if nothing else to cross that gap that Americans are too proud to jump.

I think it stems from laziness. Why can't we switch from "standard" to the universally accepted [save for Amurrica] Metric system? It's too big of a burden for our schools. And I'm guessing a large portion of adults [in select regions] of this country have sworn off learning ANYTHING after eighth grade.

torinmia 7 years, 7 months ago

they're not expecting us to change and sing it in spanish. it's just allowing other people to celebrate our country as well. what's wrong with that?

trollkiller 7 years, 7 months ago

Paladin,

I think the translating program you're using is struggling with the translations.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

macon547 - that was downright nasty. Paladin is not an idiot. This is just a bit of fun, no need to get upset. trollkiller, I did not think of a translation program in use by paladin. They are tricky and not acurate. A note to AVERAGE - to clarify the Canadian anthem thing.
the problem I had is that there are two french versions, one is the official french version which as you say was the first one written and then there is the french translation of the english version which does follow almost exactly word for word.

beatrice 7 years, 7 months ago

classclown: I'd like a crack at adding to your song -

Bubba was a redneck from the Heart of 'bama Gone to join the Minutemen Grabbed himself a gun and headed to the border Will shoot Pedro if he tries to run Get back Get back Get back with your racist plan Get back Get back Get back to your inbred clan

Get back there Bubba

Beale_Buster 7 years, 7 months ago

Where does he roam?

In kansas_prairieland_beale of course! Where else would paladin_beale and trollkiller_beale and jpt_beale all live?

And the spanish might just explain the offer for the mustache ride the other day...wasn't that mushflorp_beale?

beatrice 7 years, 7 months ago

happygolucky: first off, you need a new name. The term "happy go lucky" suggests someone who is comfortable enough in their own skin that they believe in the attitude of live and let live. Your rant of "ship them back to mexico on a bus or in a bag. Doesn't matter to me." is hardly one that fits your sign-in.

However, your post does make me think of the wonderful line by Hubert Humphrey: "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously."

trollkiller 7 years, 7 months ago

ms_c, the accuracy and the grammar are the proof. I take it you don't read Spanish either.

bea, You sing like shooting Pedro is a bad thing? Legal Pedro is OK, no more illegal Pedros!

beatrice 7 years, 7 months ago

oh, the love of mankind around this post is just so heart-warming! God Bless America (and nowhere else)!

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

trollkiller - did you notice some glaring mistakes in my small amount of spanish this morning? I do read spanish. Studied it for 4 1/2 years, worked as a translator for our social services department in their work with immigrants from Chile. Mistakes, yes I make a few in english also.

KsTwister 7 years, 7 months ago

Complacency got America in this situation, lack of enforcement in our own laws,and at the expense of all Americans. Amnesty has been granted 3 times now---times up. We don't care which country you are from,if you are here illegally then you chose to break the law. This is not the kinds of citizens we wish to keep taking care of. The time for being nice and understanding has long passed by their choice. Just because Mexico borders our country does not give them rights,just as any other country in the world would give blanket approval to their illegal immigrants. The companies who hire them only took jobs from people who needed more than minimum wages to feed families here legally----and the money would not have been sent to Mexico,thus coruption and racketeering only made the businessman richer and exploited everyone else. I fight for my children,my grandchildren and their children,not out of anger as much as what is FAIR and JUST. When businesses want employees to diversify their skills it simply means they want more "bang for their buck" which is your wages. Difficult to hold your job when one with an 8th grade education will do what you went to college to learn the skill only to be told to "teach them" and then lose your job because you did and an illegal will do it for $10 an hour less and they won't even pay taxes on their earnings. Now round up the buses before we end up with over 20 million illegals( including those who are pregnant)and insist Mexico take care of their own. Because they sure aren't ours or they would have done it legally and we would be proud to have them.

sunflower_sue 7 years, 7 months ago

Personally, I can't imagine moving to another country (for whatever reason) and then being so disrespectful that I would not bother to learn the local language. Then to sing that country's anthem in any way other than how it was written would be so disgraceful that the thought would not even occur to me. "Melting pot" means that all are coming together to form one. It doesn't mean that we should be trying so hard to retain every aspect of our heritage that we create animosity. I am of Swiss and German descent. I do not speak either language. It doesn't mean that I have shed all traces of my heritage. It simply means that my ancestors chose to be American. I guess when we are invaded and taken over by Mexico (or some other country), then I'll have to make the decision to "melt or not to melt."

sunflower_sue 7 years, 7 months ago

You know, for that matter, I can't even imagine VISITING another country and not standing (out of respect) for their Natl. anthem as it was being played. Lack of respect. That's the way I see this whole issue. Very sad.

Lonestar1 7 years, 7 months ago

If you want to live in the United States, learn to speak English! People talk about how the anglos did this and that, and forced english on everyone. Get a grip! It was over 200 years ago! English has been spoken here for a long time. Most Americans came from somewhere else and had to adapt socially and learn english. If you want to be American, then be American. If you want to carry some other flag, speak another language all the time, then go back home! There is nothing wrong with being proud of your background and having a festival or special day, but that's one day out of the year!

49cent 7 years, 7 months ago

most people don't know past the first 15 words of the anthem in english anyway LOL!

hottruckinmama 7 years, 7 months ago

i agree if people come here to live they should learn to speak english. it would just naturally improve their lives. but all the to-do about the national anthem in spanish? come on. there not talking about changing it to the official version are they? i think everyone needs to just take a chill pill. this is just another thing the republicans are going to run into the ground so they can distract our litttle pea brains about much bigger problems like gas prices and record oil company profits stuff like that.

happygolucky 7 years, 7 months ago

beatrice-I am happy in my own skin. I also feel that if you want to move to another country, you should follow their rules and live as they do. When I go to mexico, they stop speaking spanish and start speaking english just for me. I can't just go to another country and set up shop and expext that contry to let do as I please. Padro seems to think so. As far as my sign in, I was fine until the bunny lovin tree huggers started screwing things up. If you can't to it right, don't do it wrong and expect things to be ok. So what, business take a hit if we ship them back. They should have thought about that when they hired Poco and his buddies.

Tamara110 7 years, 7 months ago

Our national anthem in SPANISH!!!!!!!!!! Excuse me!!!!!!!! What in the world is wrong with people! This is OUR ANTHEM!!! OUR COUNTRY!!! OUR LAUNGUAGE!!!!!!! I hear people talking about how the US has no official launuage.... uh... what was the consitution written in???? This just makes me furious!!! If they want to come here and make a better life for themselves then fine... but learn English like everyone else had to!!!!! :X

jonas 7 years, 7 months ago

Man o man.

A present for everybody!

http://img305.imageshack.us/img305/4662/moblogbfb2fc0fd2f377kj.jpg

It can play your song.

happygolucky 7 years, 7 months ago

jonas, I'm sure we can make room on the bus for you too if you want. Grow some nuts and stand up for your country while you can. Or do you just want to sell out?

tell_it_like_it_is 7 years, 7 months ago

When white people first came over here did they bother to learn the native language? No. They forced there tongue and they culture on the native americans. Maybe now we are just getting a taste of our own medicine.

Harry_Manback 7 years, 7 months ago

salti,

"I sure don't mind them being here...but if they're going to stay in America, they've got to learn the American language. " Ummm..."American" isn't a language. It's English. Get it right before you criticize.

I think since the official language is English it should be sung in English, but if Spanish speakers want to translate it and sing it, it doesn't really bother me.

And to all those people saying, "get out," unless your ancestors are Native Americans, then you don't really have any room to talk.

Harry_Manback 7 years, 7 months ago

Plus I wanted to add that this is just a song they wrote. It's not like they're pushing to get it to be the new national anthem or anything. It's just a song that samples bits of our national anthem. I think Bush and some others misunderstood its purpose.

trollkiller 7 years, 7 months ago

ms_c, I wasn't referring to your posts.

Kind of hard to scroll back up to your posts though with that dimwit copying and pasting everything he googles.

happygolucky 7 years, 7 months ago

To all the retards you have been in caves for the last few times this was brought up. When the "white" man asked joe indian who's land this was, the response was that no one owned the "mother earth". Some did learn the "native tongue" so that we could trade and get by. Yes we took the land as did the french and spanish. We bought land and so forth. I don't hear people still crying over what the Romans did. Learn some history before you open your Maize hole. SPOILS OF WAR.

geekin_topekan 7 years, 7 months ago

Hey all.Don't you see what is happening here? I am living in a time of fantastic change in this country. For better or worse remains to be seen but damn!!When my grandkids say"you were alive when the Mexicans came?"I can say yeah!!I still have the newpaper clippings.

jimincountry 7 years, 7 months ago

You want to see pathetic!? Watch the whitehouse correspondent's association dinner on cspan in about an hour. It will be a repeat. The dinner is just now breaking up. What a depressing thing to see such pompous crap. Poor Bush had to sit through this junk. Maybe the Mexicans can do better when they take over the whitehouse. Actually the repeat is starting as I post this.

jimincountry 7 years, 7 months ago

Everybody is arriving. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson, too(I bet she's glad she not spying anymore!)

bugmenot 7 years, 7 months ago

Boy bennyoates, pot sure calling the kettle black with the bigotry. Maybe we can translate the anthem into every language, why should Spanish be the only one. I'm sure Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Germans, French, Italian, Korean, Vietnamese, Chech, Various African dialect, and many others want their languages too. I am against this because the Spanish that this is being translated for are not American citizens, they do not speak the language, know the history, pay taxes, or follow our laws. Quit being so intolerant of other peoples views bigot.

trollkiller 7 years, 7 months ago

Hopefully if nobody responds to a desperate poster he'll just go away.

thanks,

bugmenot 7 years, 7 months ago

Who's desperate for attention. You. NO WAY.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 7 months ago

OTS answer: damned insulting! translated/changed words...turned into a piece supporting illegal imigrants!

as a black activist said the other day: if we stop providing jobs, food, welfare, schools, "they got themselves here, they can get themselves back home!"
RIGHT ON BRO!

drewdun 7 years, 7 months ago

All the veiled (and not so veiled) racism exhibited by the right on this board and elsewhere is very telling. Once inbred white trash rednecks, always inbred white trash rednecks.

On a related note, this kind of crap shows exactly how disconnected from reality the right is. We have a war going on with 2400 dead US soldiers along with countless Iraqis, the highest deficit in US history, 46 million uninsured Americans, blatant corruption and incompetence at the highest levels of government, etc. and these IDIOTS are worried about people singing the national anthem in Spanish? This just shows what the 'post 9/11 society' the wingnuts are always crying about truly is: sheer insanity, propelled by racist, intolerant, uninformed, and uneducated wingers. You are ruining the country - please open your eyes and start utilizing your 'brains.'

drewdun 7 years, 7 months ago

Once again, Macon, jimincountry, marion and the other half-wits on this board: please go back to where you came from, and if you are from kansas, please drop dead, especially macon. You are a despicable human being.

And marion, how funny you post that mencken quote. I ALWAYS use that to summarize how Bush was re-elected and how there are still 32% that support his b!tch-azz. You are an idiot.

trollkiller 7 years, 7 months ago

Yes, this concludes Troll night at OTS.

Last one out turn out the lights.

bearded_gnome 7 years, 7 months ago

funny to call us racist because we want our borders to be enforced like every other country in the world!

in fact, let's enforce our border the way Mexico enforces its southern border.

calling us racist simply displays a complete failure of logic and a resort to emoting your empty invective free of any reference to history or current facts.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

Since the board is not very busy today, may I please be permitted to add a bit to the Nat. Anthem thingy. I was looking up the Can. Anthem and discovered that there are two versions in French, one does almost exactly copy the english as it is a direct translation. But to my surprise I also discovered a version in the language of our far northern territory of Nunuvut. The language of the people up there is called inuktitut and they sing the anthem in their language. This is totally new to me and I would hazard a guess that most other Canadians do not know that either. My point being that this language thing did not cause a great stir in my country at all. Of course, I must admit, that the situation is not really the same as these people, the Inuit (in oo weet) are Canadian citizens and have always been so from the time that the northern territories were made a part of Canada. Just a bit of info for you history buffs out there whoever may see this comment.

ms_canada 7 years, 7 months ago

oops - made a mistake in the date. I thought this was going on Sunday.

Liebestod 7 years, 7 months ago

Good point, Ms. Canada. The US is not Canada, neither is it Belgium nor Switzerland. All fine and beautiful multi-lingual countries. I know, because I have been in them. The US is a "melting pot" country. Those who chose to come here are welcome, even encouraged, to speak their native language at home, and especially to teach it to their children as part of their heritage. My ancestors spoke three languages (and, Yes, English was one of them, along with German and Welsh). But outside the home, the language of the United States is ENGLISH (actually, in case there is anyone out there who hadn't noticed, the language of the WORLD is now English). Don't ask us to learn your language, unless we choose to. You moved here, you learn our language. That includes the national anthem. You want to translate it so you can explain its meaning to the folks back home, great. But this travesty that's been put out isn't even a translation. It's someone's political diatribe disguised as a "translation." Ingles, mis amigos. Learn it. You'll do better.

Nanahuatzin 7 years, 5 months ago

In Mexico, sometime ago, the goverment, the goverment accepted finally the fact that not all mexicans speak spanish...

So the translation of the Mexican National Hymn is permited, although the translation has to be aproved by the goverment

Officially, the national anthem has been translated into the following native languages: Chinanteco, HÃ±a HÃ±u, Mixteco, Maya, Nahuatl and Tenek.

And other 10 languages are pendienet for aprobation.

http://www.sil.org/mexico/gob_mex/Himno_nal.html

Also, some old comunities of european ascent does not speak spanish (like the menonites, who speak old german) so they are being encourage to make a translation of the hymn in their native language.

Just lets not forgive that spanish was being spoken in what is now american territory, before any english arrived there...

So, what is important is to be respectfull of each other. I have not hear the translation of your hymn to spanish, but i hope it was a correct one.

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