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Do you think Tom DeLay will be found guilty?

Asked at Borders, 700 N.H. on September 29, 2005

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“I hope he is, but I think it’s unlikely that he will. I certainly hope the Bush administration won’t obstruct the process.”

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“I don’t think so. I know he did it, but I don’t think they will convict him unless it is politically expedient to use him as a scapegoat.”

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“I don’t really know. I don’t have much faith in the Republican party or in the judicial system, so probably not.”

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“I think he did it, and I think he will be found guilty. There is too much evidence against him this time.”

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Richard Heckler 12 years, 2 months ago

In classic neocon Iran Contra spirit Tom Delay will be the first of many to receive pardons from GW Bush. There is little doubt in my mind that the Bush family was also active in the political redistricting of Texas however without GW pardons would not be available so he will skate.

Pardons are on the way,pardons are on the way,pardons are on the way.......

lunacydetector 12 years, 2 months ago

it looks like the j.w. got a real great sampling of the lawrence population. how many baristas can one paper interview?...and the goutees on the guys.....

i don't know the details of the indictment other than delay's name is mentioned at the very end. i also know the prosecutor implied at a democratic rally delay would be indicted. politics, politics, politics.....the democrats are trying to hang on to anything with their finger nails.

if nothing comes of the indictment, delay's name will be tarnished forever and the democrats will scream, "conspiracy!"

hawkrew 12 years, 2 months ago

Wow, there are still "poets" around?

And, unfortunately, if he is guilty he will be found innocent. That's just the way it works I guess...

Hong_Kong_Phooey 12 years, 2 months ago

Apparently, Brendan Parker moonlights as an investigator into campaign finance problems. You know, when he's not designing clothes, because he knows that there is too much evidence against De Lay this time. Maybe he and Nick, the poet (code word for "unemployed"), are partners.

enochville 12 years, 2 months ago

I don't have any idea whether he'll be found guilty or not. I would not be surprized at all if he did it. I don't know why he has not been found guilty on other indictments. Corruption is rampant on both sides of the aisle and too many US Senators and Representatives are caught up in it. It is my hope that justice will prevail.

On a side note, what do you think about Lyndie England's sentence of three years in prison? On the one hand, she took part in a very well-known, humiliating crime that was a devasting offense for the prisoners, severely damaged our image with the Muslim world, and shamed the US government. On the other hand, she reminds me of the low functioning kids on school grounds that think they will be accepted by their peers if they do some humiliating stunt they are asked to do. It is like punishing a teenager with Down's syndrome for lifting the teacher's skirt because a popular boy asked him to. I think the kid should be punished so that they know how wrong it was, but with some understanding for their condition. They can tell right from wrong, but have no appreciation of the seriousness of the wrong.

Yes, I think she should be punished and no, she doesn't have Down's syndrome, but according to testimony she has the mental functioning of a child. I don't know why the military would put such people in the role of a prison guard. She was following the orders of a very depraved man whom she liked who knew very well what he was doing and tried to justify it by saying that is what he thought his commanders wanted. Following orders isn't an excuse unless maybe you have the mental capacity of a child. I think her punishment is probably just right.

beatrice 12 years, 2 months ago

This bunch of Republicans talk Christian, but walk corporate. What did we expect with our first "CEO President." DeLay is just the first, and yes, I do think he will be found guilty. Then Frist, then Rove, ...

enoch: Lyndie England deserves every bit of the punishment she has been given, and more. Just because she acts like a follower, as you suggest, doesn't mean we should go lightly on her sentencing. I've heard her speak, and she didn't sound like a child to me. I'll bet the vast majority of criminals actually fit the type of person you describe.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 2 months ago

well lets look at the record. this administration has: taken a vietnam vet (kerry) and totally trashed his war record and gotten away with it. their boy didn't even go. they've lied us into a war that has gotten a bunch of our kids killed needlessly and they've gotten away with it. and most recently they've mishandled the hurricane mess and now are trying to blame it on it on everyone but themselves. and even worse yet now some of them are even trying to say that things were not all that bad at the superdome and the convention center after all and that people were just lying about how bad things really were. to top that all off last night on the news a republican from alabama said he was sure the hurricane was just a punishment from god for all the gambling in mississippi and all the "wild goings on" (his words) in new orleans.

now that is the kind of people you are dealing with. no way is he going to be found guilty.

cutny 12 years, 2 months ago

Man...Nice to see him defiantly denying the obvious. Can't wait to see him twist in the wind until even his smugness deserts him.

nlf78 12 years, 2 months ago

He did it but he probably won't be convicted for it. Hopefully it ends his political career though.

hawkrew 12 years, 2 months ago

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monkeywrench1969 12 years, 2 months ago

I really question whether he will be convicted. The affidavit for the charges was on the and it WAS very vague like most have stated whether Republican or Democratic. The posturing in this is so obvious on both sides. How can either side make an educated case either way.

The other thing is Earle has been know to go after a lot of people create a big show in the media and then the case falls apart before trial. This has been the case with both republicans and democrats he went after. He tried once before I believe just before or right after the 2004 election and could not get the indictment.

Bottom line is we as a society love to see people fight and fan the flames to get a better show. The elected officials on both sides need to pull their heads out make some consessions on both sides so things can get done because I am tired of paying their salaries to hold press conferences to bash each other and skip votes.

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

I don't know why you all are complaining about a many people did Clinton pardon on his way out of office? Oh and he lied to the hearing "No I didn't do it" and he still got away with it. The system is completely screwed up both ways so don't act like it's just conservative.

As for mama, they didn't trash Kerry's record Kerry trashed it himself. How is it the Republicans fault that Kerry's commander wanted him out of Vietnam? And the hurricane....well it is interesting to note the timing of certain events what the Bible has to say about it but we won't get into it because nobody listens anyways.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 2 months ago

bankboy you mean to tell me that you think that god would kill all those innocent little kids as punshment for the "sins" of adults?

well i really don't know what to say except that i don't want any part of your god.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 2 months ago

Even if he is, he'll come out of prison in no time wearing the "coming home" poncho and "the Donald" will hire him for ratings. He'll be bigger than ever. Oh wait, he's male! Nope! Innocent! Did he kill his wife? Molest any children? That would definitely prove his innocence.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

bankboy119: It doesn't appear that mama has read the Old Testament:)

DeLay, what can anyone say, he's a politician!! How can WDP continue to be shocked by their corruption. During his proceedings his lawyer will probably try to make him the mental equivalent of a child. Juries love that. The point is the main thing wrong in DC is that we have too many Republican die hards, too many Democratic die hards, and not enough Americans.

beatrice 12 years, 2 months ago

And to think, there were some here yesterday who scoffed at the power to be found in my Michael Moore shrine. Who is laughing now?

lunacydetector 12 years, 2 months ago

....a quick google search says 376 baristas have been interviewed for on the street. i'm trying to remember the last time i went to a coffee shop. i didn't know there were that many coffee shops in town unless they have super high turn over. i wonder if baristas get better pay and benefits than wal-mart employees. i doubt it.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

beatrice: I would never scoff at the power available to those who worship Michael Moore, Tom DeLay or any other human bean :)

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

lunacydetector has indeed detected another instance of lunacy! Good job! I wonder have they interviewed any baristos?

Your discovery proves the old saying, "Being paranoid does not exclude the possibility that they really are out to get you!"

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

The topic seems to be fizzling. Apparently the ljw did not get the firestorm one might expect from today's question. Perhaps they mistook a conservative for someone who would defend a Republican with or without just cause. At least on my part, that is not true. While my leanings are conservative, I consider a person's character more important than their politics. I have lived in Lawrence all of my adult life and therefore have many good friends who are much more liberal than am I. Unlike some of those interviewed, I do not KNOW that DeLay is guilty, and neither does anyone here. If he is guilty it is my hope that justice will prevail.

Are Snicker Blizzards still on sale at Dairy Queen? Now that is a topic we could chew on :)

memoirs_of_a_sleepwalker 12 years, 2 months ago

God hates computers. Go back to work. Take care of your kids. Read a book. Clean the house.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

Ceallach, you got it. Nobody really cares THAT much about this because deep down I think eveyone knows this happens all the time. Individuals in political parties have been getting illegal money, or just doing "shady" things in general since the first election ever. Yeah, he or someone close to him, was taking illegal monies. BIg deal. America rolls on, it's just SOSDD.

bjohanning 12 years, 2 months ago

Five U.S. Army soldiers were killed in Ramadi on Wednesday by a roadside bomb. The deaths brings the number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraqi war to 1,936. So Mr. Bush where is the truth? Mr. Delay doesn't know it.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Was Delay supposed to report the number of US casualties to Bush?

princess 12 years, 2 months ago

I don't think that any of them know what the truth is anymore.

1derer 12 years, 2 months ago

Yes, and he should be found criminally negligent for no doing it!

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

TOB, if its not "hippies" he's harping on its "fatties"....If he only had a brain and a heart! But he has the nerve....

And Ceallach, I agree that no one knows that DeLay did anything wrong but I have read up on his history and he seems to be the worst kind of corporate slimeball there is. Its cronyism at its best with those Texas boys. I seriously doubt DeLay is an angelic figure worth defending. Don't just take the opposing view on this one for argument's sake. You might find you are defending what you find most abhorrent.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

TOB-I don't know what a hippie is or how to spot one, but I know how to hide my money from one.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

under the soap, Topside

God, I love that joke!

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Carm: I certainly wasn't defending DeLay with my last post, I was trying to figure out what point bjohanning was trying to make. The two seemed connected in his/her post and I wanted clarification. You know how I love clarification :)

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

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Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

Carmenilla, Thanks. I always loved it too. HEY-O!!

heretoday 12 years, 2 months ago

According to the experts there isn't much "gray area" here. It comes down to two options. Either Earle has the crucial witnesses to make the case or he's engaging in an obvious partisan smear by filing an indictment he knows he can't prove in court.

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

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staff04 12 years, 2 months ago

The LJW hasn't interviewed 376 baristas. Your search brings up every LJW web page that has the words barista and "On the Street." Since every page of the LJW website has a link to On the Street, every time the word barista appears on the website, there are 376 pages where both search queries appear.

But you're right. They interview too damn many baristas.

1derer 12 years, 2 months ago

I thought Barista was the name of an electrical kitchen appliance. Which came first, Barista or baristas?

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

Ronnie Earle (search), the Texas prosecutor who indicted Tom DeLay, denies any political motivation for his investigation into the Republican leader. But Earle was the featured speaker at a Democratic fundraiser earlier this year, where the Houston Chronicle reports Earle compared DeLay to a bully, and talked about political corruption and the DeLay investigation.

And this summer, Earle dropped felony charges against four corporations indicted for making illegal contributions to Delay's political action committee, in exchange for contributing as much as $1 million to one of his pet causes. The National Review reports that after at least one company balked at the sum, Earle settled for pledges of up to $100,000 to a University of Texas program on how corporations influence American democracy.

Gotta love FOX....doesn't mean DeLay is innocent though...just that Earle is shady as well.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

Earle has also gone after plenty of Repubs too. See the blog about it on

Bankboy119, how do you feel about homosexuals designing the clothes you wear? Do you feel dirty?

I bet you do.....

Sorry, GEB, but I couldn't resist! Bankboy wouldn't know a metrosexual from a homosexual if one came up and bit him on the....well, I won't even go there.

hawkrew 12 years, 2 months ago

So only democrats should prosecute democrats and republicans prosectute republicans? Is that the only way to make everyone believe it is not politically motivated?

While I have no idea Earle's motivation, be it noble or not, just because a prosecuter is of a different party does not mean that person is only indicting charges because of party affiliation.

That said, I haven't done enough research on this to believe either way. Earle does seem like a shady character, but never count out a politician :)

rhd99 12 years, 2 months ago

They got Wittig didn't they? Yes, Delay will be found guilty, but like Wittig's pending sentencing, there won't be a chance for US to see them rot in prison for the rest of their lives. They'll probably get off for good behavior.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

Sorry that blog isn't just about the DeLay indictment but it has a link to Earle's past prosecutions, which have been mostly Democrats. But to hear the Repub spin cycle you would think he was Satan in a donkey suit!

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

Nah I think it's fine, they do a lot better job than most straight men would do(possibly all but I'm sure there are some exceptions.) I couldn't design clothes to save my life, crap I can't even pick them out...just ask my wife haha.

And if they were gay I bet they wouldn't bite;)

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

Just wait, TOB, it'll be on FOX "news" any day now.....

Bankboy119, I appreciate your humor on this one. You can always tell when a straight man is shopping. His wife is doing it for him while he looks at power tools and BBQ grills.

And are you so sure they wouldn't bite?

beatrice 12 years, 2 months ago

ottr: "Geez...all of the 'I HOPE HE'S GUILTY's'. Why would one 'hope he's guilty'?" You are right. I guess those opposed to this present administration should take the high road. Perhaps we should follow the example set by Republicans when Clinton was caught with his pants down.

Following this lofty example, the least we can do is have a witch burning every night at 7pm for the remainder of the administration.

hawkrew 12 years, 2 months ago

I like looking at power tools and bbq grills...

sunflower_sue 12 years, 2 months ago

Ceallach, I highly suggest you try the Mocha Moo Latte at DQ...YUM!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I was at Border's today and nobody from the LJW accosted me to ask my opinion of anything. Darn!

But I will say I hate the cover design for Diana Gabaldon's new book. (My opinion) Glad I got that off my chest!

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

I have never tried a Moo Latte from DQ, s_s but a friend told me they pack a whopping 1800 calories. Thats more than 3/4 the calories one is supposed to consume in a day. Scary ain't it!

Now you know why they call it a "Moo" Latte. Oh man, now I sound like a callous jerk who hates overweight people. I've been hanging around this board for too long. Y'all are rubbing off on me.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, sun_sun, I just might do that. It will have to be next week (I'm restricting myself to one dessert a week :)

As far as the cover design goes, that is a common problem to anyone with design education. You look at it from several angles trying to figure how anyone ever looked at it and said, "I believe we have our design!" Different strokes, I guess.

Oh yeah, staying on topic, I have decided to delay my opinion of DeLay.

monkeywrench1969 12 years, 2 months ago

You forget to point out the Democrats Earle went after were more conservative Democrats who had a beef with Earle. Additionally at least four of them fell apart before or during trial and no conviction were made. So he is either vindictive and misusing his power or an idiot who does not know his cases before he goes to trial.

Both parties do this sort of fundraising period. Most Democratic leaders have similar economic status but seem to act like they are part of the blue collar working man's movement. If you compared the number of residences Bush and Kerry have Kerry has more multi million dollar homes than Bush and his "brush farm". After seeing the coverage of the Sheehan protests, the brush farm does not look that good to me.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

And what kills me about Bush's ranch is that its very eco-friendly. I think that it was made with conservation of resources and solar energy in mind. Too bad thats about the only thing eco-friendly about him!

Yah, Earle probably is a baddy but that doesn't stop me from thinking that DeLay is one too.

BunE 12 years, 2 months ago

DA Earle likes to go after people in power. When the dems ran Texas he went after them. I like that in a prosecutor.

DeLay, made the mistake of thinking that his influence could protect him. In Texas, corporation are not allowed to give money for political campaigns. Several corporations gave a couple hundred thousand to his PAC, TRM, and his group sent the money to the Republican National Com, who coincdentally sent TRM a check for the same amount.

"The Hammer" is an arrogant fool who may have met his match in a Texas Lawman. Sweet irony. It may come out that Delay is innocent, after all a grand jury does not have that high of a standard, who knows? Ol Tom "the exterminator" Delay has played fast and loose with the ethics standards for years. He even tried to get the rules changed so that he would not have to step down if indicted. Now that Abramof is being questioned, I wonder when the next shoe will drop?

To me this is just another example of how the republicans managed to get as greedy and corrupt as the democrats in just 11 short years after taking over the congress.

Maybe he could talk his cronies into sending the military in to put the feeding tube back in his career, just like he wanted to do Terry Schiavo.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

S_S, nest time wear a t-shirt that says:

BARISTA FOR HIRE and you'll have LJW interns tackling you like women in those AXE body spray commercials.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

BTW- I think Barista might just be a nifty term for unemployed.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

According to

Main Entry: barrista Part of Speech: noun Definition: a preparer / server in a coffee bar

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, Ceallach. I kind of figured I was close. Coffee bar server is only 1/2 step above being unemployed anyway. My "maybe I shouldn't have been a philosophy major" sense was tingling.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

BTW- I got a bag of Animal crackers out of the machine today and they're all broken up! The animals lool like a miniature civil war battlefield hospital. There are just spare amputated legs and limbs everywhere. I guess the 3' drop +/- from the top shelf didn't help either.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Topside: I believe barista may be one step up the employment scale from "poet." (now cover your ears because someone will probably yell at me about that :)

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

One of my 3 jobs when I was in college was a barista.

They work hard and it you don't frequent coffee shops than you wouldn't know that, would you?

Sorry all the barista-baiting started to get to me.

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Sounds like you got your animal crackers from a KU machine. All our "snacks" seem to be mangled or mashed.

beatrice 12 years, 2 months ago

Topside: I thought barista equaled "employed poet."

Ceallach 12 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, Carm. My first school job was as a waitress. Less flowery title but the tips were good.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

Barista's are a bit like the "new" waitress really. Most everyone tries it out once or twice in college to help them get thru school. Free coffee is probably one of the main reasons why!

I worked overnight shifts at Java Break and would go to class in the morning. Needless to say I wrote some pretty interesting papers during that time.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

Hey Carm, no harm intended. But if you need tips, why not get a real server job? I have been to coffee shops and I don't tend to give people tips that look down their noses at me because I don't order a fancy enough cup of coffee. I don't really care for all that bitter crud anyway just give me something kind of smmoth that has a hint of vanilla flavor. Sorry I don't know the difference between columbian X and guatemalan Y. I know not every Barista is like that but whenever I seem to go anywhere that isn't a Starbucks, they are. I get the whole "High-Fidelity" treatment.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

BTW-I had the worst job in the world in college. I worked at Hastings. It might appear to be a good job on the surface, but it is one Slave-drivin org. that will NOT pay you over min. wage.

Carmenilla 12 years, 2 months ago

I made great money as a barista. I was pretty smiley even at 4am. One of my other 3 jobs was actually as a server/bartender. The third was as a daycare employee.

Topside, it sucks that you get "High Fidelity" treatment at coffee shops. Try Z's on E. 23rd St. They have a drive-thru and amazing coffee. No attitudes either!

After that "High Fidelity" reference all I can think about is Jack Black giving that guy a hard time about Stevie Wonder's song "I Just Called to Say I Love You".....

Classic stuff.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, I like Zs OK but am not on that side of town much. Mark "Z" that owns it used to date my wife's best friend so I go to know him, nice guy.

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

Hey I tried to do my own shopping until I realized everything I picked out was wrong....makes Christmas easier now too haha.

Coffee...La Prima Tazza downtown Mass across from Abercrombie is awesome. Buy one get one on Tuesday, best coffee I've ever had.

Topside 12 years, 2 months ago

bankboy119, yeah it's good but everyone I know calls it "LA Prima Tensious" for the reasons I decribed above.

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

Really? The lady that was in there when my wife and I went was always as friendly as could be. But I know the type you're talking about.

beatrice 12 years, 2 months ago

Me too Carm, sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you are, or have ever been, a poet. :)

sunflower_sue 12 years, 2 months ago

Carm, You REALLY didn't have to tell me the caloric content of my Moo latte, did you? That really hurt!

Topside, T-Shirt idea is hysterical! Do those come in size "extra hog" for us moo latte lovers?

Man, I sound like a fattie hater...I'm not, so YDP don't go postal on me. Oh, now I sound like I hate postal employees. I'm just going to shut my pie hole now. I love pie! Pecan w/ vanilla ice cream...maybe a drizzle of gooey chocolate and a cup of very strong coffee. UMMMMMMMMMMMM.............

staff04 12 years, 2 months ago

Anyone see this?

Not one mention of Delay's troubles.

Strange silence from the right. I wonder why that could be?

The Washington Times (commonly considered to be the current Administration's newspaper) didn't run an op-ed on it. Instead, they ran an op-ed about Bill Frist and avian flu. Talk about not covering the news...

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

I'm a banker:D. And actually bennyboy if you're talking about the redistricting of Texas, DeLay was just doing the same thing Dems did back in LBJ's day.

As for the contributions....I'm involved in my church, have coached a little kid's soccer team, make banking easier for my clientele, improve the economy, you know stuff like that.

bankboy119 12 years, 2 months ago

Hey staff....we've been speaking out and not in DeLay's defense. If he's guilty he needs to be punished, but all of us from all political ideals agree that he'll probably get off because all politicians do.

dream 12 years, 2 months ago

Anyone else catch the fact Earle gave himself a misdomeaner and a fine for reporting his own campaign contributions (If I remember correctly) late? Had to pay a $200 fine. That must say either he is very above board or crazy! :)

bowman 12 years, 2 months ago

Oh, yes, definitely he willbe found guilty

........and then he should be executed!

Can I throw the switch?

hagar 12 years, 2 months ago

Talk about prejudice! Maybe we still haven't figured out that accusation does NOT equal guilt. Your hate is all showing..........

swamp_rat 12 years, 2 months ago

Hopefully, yes, if us democrats have our way!

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