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How would you compare the government’s response to Hurricane Rita to the response to Hurricane Katrina?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on September 26, 2005

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“Totally opposite of each other. I think they were really worried about screwing up again. They really got caught with their pants down, and I think they are going to be on the ball for the rest of the hurricane season.”

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“Their reaction to Rita was basically a reaction to the way they completely bungled Katrina. They were overprepared for Rita.”

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“Hurricane Katrina was ridiculous. It shouldn’t have taken them that long. They learned from the first hurricane and knew that they would have to do better.”

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“It’s the difference between black and white - look at the money. It’s pretty simple: Look at the water, look at the oil and imagine being one of the people affected.”

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KsjKC 9 years, 3 months ago

T-O-B:

Is that the theme song to that great new game show everyone is talking about, "The Blame Game"??

KsjKC 9 years, 3 months ago

It certainly is possible that local and state officials erred on the side of caution...I for one would rather see those kinds of errors...EXCEPT for the highway bungle..."Hmmm--them there jersey barriers is movable ain't they? Guess we got caught nappin on that one..."

However, again, plan big--it is easier to scale back a big plan than crank up too small a plan...

Ya Reading this Dubya? I am sure this next comment will be incendiary, and it is most likely for that reason I want and/or need to make it...

"What element was missing in Louisiana that was present in Texas?"

"Rich white Republicans..."

There. I said it. I will also say this: Rick Perry, Dubya's then--Lt. Gov and now Governor--did a great job and deserves real credit for how his state handled this. As does the wonderful mayor of Galveston; her grandfather rebuilt the city after the turn-of-the-century storm and she was a great example...

b_asinbeer 9 years, 3 months ago

Am I first? Am I first? Yes!

Now, what do I say.....I hope I don't choke. It's a lot of pressure being first. Everybody usually reads the first one...

The response I think was a little better, but not by a whole lot. The evacuation could've been handled a little better though. Cars moving 5 miles in 12 hours? I hope they can do a better job of coordinating evacuating citizens when they recommend people leave the city behind.

Then again, Rita wasn't nearly as destructive or strong as Katrina, so it's almost like comparing apples to oranges. Still, Mr. Bush and FEMA should've been WAY more prepared for Katrina, and the way it was handled has still left a bad taste in my mouth of our government helping us out when we needed them in desperate times.

But still, anytime we don't hear Mr. Bush saying, "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," that's always a positive sign.

legolas1996 9 years, 3 months ago

I'm getting sick of hearing about how all of this is the president's fault. I was watching CNN and saw a black family being interviewed. The news reporter asked them who they blame for their situation. They stated that it was the mayor's fault. They said that New Orleans had raised money for new levys twice and that the town had plenty of time to build new ones though they never did.

GreenEyedBlues 9 years, 3 months ago

They overprepared for Rita, so I hear they're taking some of the water/ice/food to the evacuees from New Orleans.

I'm second in line! Eat my dust, you early risers!

Richard Heckler 9 years, 3 months ago

FEMA/Homeland Security need changes according to Bush.

No we do not need new plans. Administration people need to know how to use existing regulations. Probaly FEMA needs to be created as a permanent goverment employee position and staffed accordingly. Forget the politics.

We do not need anything new except the people in charge. Everything is now in place. This is an over reaction due to the fact that this administration was not paying attention,much like the 9/11 affair. FEMA has plenty of authority however existing officials did not know their jobs. FEMA had the authority to activate the national guard and other life mechanisms within the military if necessary with or without state requests.

Homeland Security is a big inefficient bureaucratic disaster.

We do not need mercenaries roaming USA city streets at $10,000 per month. If law enforcement receives plenty of rescue assistance then state and local law enforcement can deal with law enforcement.

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

Way better this time, although I'm not sold on the rich white people being the reason for the overpreparedness, although it couldn't hurt. I think it has more to do with how badly Katrina was handled that they couldn't let that happen again.

beatrice 9 years, 3 months ago

Come on TOB, the President named a guy who spent years running horse shows to be the head of FEMA. Shouldn't Americans say something about this, without being accused of blaming Bush for the hurricane itself? Brown, like the people of New Orleans, was in over his head, and Bush is to blame for hiring him.

Now, to more pressing issues -- why do they call them "jersey barriers" anyways?

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

A lot of blame heaped on the shoulders of GWB for Katrina. In reality many are to blame. And it goes a lot deeper than is being looked at. I heard a scientist speaking years ago about the mistakes that humans have made in changing the topography of the earth in places and the Mississippi delta was the biggest one mentioned. He said it was a disaster waiting to happen. He was certainly right. And to rebuild N.O. would be the second biggest mistake. It will happen again, better levees or not. And you know why? Because the powers that be refuse to take the warnings of climate change seriously. I heard a politician speaking just the other day. He said that to prepare for a serious hurricane that comes only once in 150 years was impossible. Well, he better think again. Because of global warming it very well won't be 150 years until the next Katrina. With the oceans getting warmer and warmer, the hurricanes will be increasing in intensity. But are the politicians heeding the scientists? Nooo. They are looking to the oil barons and the increase in oil revenue and taxes. Greed is the driving force in this world and politicians are the biggest offenders. That is my 2 $$ worth. (Inflation has raised the worth of my thoughts)

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

The lack of potential high death tolls don't make for a headline news story...

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

whoops...please remove the "don't make" from my previous post and replace it with "doesn't make" only so I can stay on that literate side of the conversation...hopefully.

beatrice 9 years, 3 months ago

TOB: "Just sick of it, that's all." Oh, okay, that makes sense.

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

IMHO, a lot of what is "to blame" is how people generally look at the government today. In 1927, when the hurricane hit New Orleans (and it was stronger than Katrina), the survivors did not expect anything from the government. The only aid, which was very little, was provided by the Amry. Later, the Army sued the city for reimbursement.

The difference here is how times change through the decades. 80 years ago, people understood that the government was there to PROTECT life, liberty and the persuit of happiness, rather than PROVIDE it (i.e. it is not a constitutional right to have a job), as is commonly thought today.

I know everyone on these boards is smart enough that they already know this, but it has to be said. Oh, and please correct me if any of my facts are wrong.

Regardless of all of this, the preparedness to Rita as opposed to Katrina is a remarkable improvement.

There will always be blame for Katrina. If one is a democrat, they will blame the President. If a republican, they will blame the mayor, governor, etc.

I agree with Original Bob -- Rita and Katrina cannot be compared equally.

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

Lol, thanks Bob -- that made my morning :)

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

More regarding climate change and global warming. Here are a couple of web sites that you might want to take a look at for a different perspective on the subject. www.thepriceofoil.com www.opensecrets.org The first one is the site of an organization called Oil Change which seeks to educate the American public on the consequences of it's addiction to oil - African oil in particular - and the role that campaign contributions play in influencing U.S. foreign and domestic policy. The world consumes 80 million barrels of oil daily and the U.S. consumes 25% of that total. Iraq has the 2nd largest reserves of oil. Iraq is on the brink of civil war and the situation in that country cannot be sugar coated. Oil production is back up to 87% of prewar levels, but in Baghdad they only have electricity for 6 hours a day. The authors of a plan known as the Project for the New American Century have been in the White House for 5 years. This plan proposes that the U.S. use its military power to secure it's energy needs. In the past 5 years the profits of the top 5 oil companies have reached $254 billion. In the same time period the Bush admin. has run up a record deficit mostly in military spending. Look to the second web address above for the statistics. The Center For Responsive Politics calculates that oil companies have contributed $52 million to political campaigns. Read all about it.

rhd99 9 years, 3 months ago

The feds were great, but NAGIN has dug his own grave. His city is GONE, & he did nothing to prepare his residents in New Orleans for a double whammy. Sweet dreams, MR. MAYOR!

Richard Heckler 9 years, 3 months ago

more on mercenaries:

All of this was brought to my attention as I listened to live/taped interviews on Democracy Now between the journalist and various mercenaries on 9/23/05.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Mercenaries+in+New+Orleans&btnG=Google+Search

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

TOB - lol - my tummy hurts now. Can I be permitted a bit more on climate change. The rise in the temperature of the earth has received much coverage in the media, but the big concern of scientists is the rise in the temperature of the world's oceans. This is the link between the incidence and increased strength of the hurricanes. Should we, North Americans, not be more concerned with our govenments falling in line or the lack of it, to sign the Kyoto accords? I can tell you that living so much farther north than you folks in Kansas, that the winters are changing. No more 40 below temps. in Jan. And I am in a position to know having been around here for longer than a lot, if not most, of you young pups. I am greatly concerned for the lives of my grandsons and their children to come.

myidea 9 years, 3 months ago

I was quite critical of Katrina response. . .Rita response seems to be much better, perhaps over compensated for, but it's better to be overprepared. . .

hagar 9 years, 3 months ago

The trashing of the Federal Government on Hurricane relief is baloney, pure Oscar Meyer (with apologies to that fine company). BY LAW the prime responsibility for emergency preparedness and response is with the LOCAL government. That is why Douglas County, and all other counties in the nation, have emergency preparedness coordinators, or similar titles. BY LAW the Federal Government cannot override the authority of local officials by coming in on their own. The Governor, or other such official, needs to declare a "State of Emergency" and request assistance before the Feds can come in. If there is concern about the response to Katrina, let's check when the emergency was declared and assistance requested. Cut the partisan political BS.

bankboy119 9 years, 3 months ago

Did anyone see on the news about the bars staying open all night in Galveston to party through the storm?

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

rdh99, I sure agree. He's the most hopeless man in the world. A very poor leader.

bankboy119 -- that's hilarious! I hadn't heard about that yet. ...it doesn't surprise me...

lunacydetector 9 years, 3 months ago

why doesn't the journal world ask these questions, especially these politically charged kinds of questions, in other parts of town? why mass. street? most lawrencians don't go downtown anyway. you need a better cross section of the population.

mayor nagin had 2,000 buses he let sit. he also didn't want to dip into his emergency reserves because he wanted the federal gov't to foot the bill.

i have seen more than one N.O. survivor blaming their mayor. when it is re-election time for the mayor and the governor, we'll have to see who the people of that city and state elect or re-elect.

....but then again, the people of N.O. were warned to get out. some claim these folks didn't have a car to leave. that might be true but, the insurance industry estimates 200,000 cars were totalled by the flood waters.

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

Sometimes we learn from our mistakes...

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

It's the best when they go to Hy-Vee, the most insightful people shop there...the little red arrow told me so.

harrierist 9 years, 3 months ago

Educated people rich or poor tend to prepare and have a long view towards life. If you are uneducated you tend to live day to day. New Orleans is full of people who have less than a high school diploma. It is not the federal governments responsibilty to take care of you. It is your own repsonsiblity to take care of your self. This includes getting your self educated. Of course this has been a problem ever since the Gov. Huey Long Days, when blacks in Louisianna were denied education opportunities, corruption was and is terrible, and still a highly racists state. I think Bush is just a buffoon and did not act fast enough, but I think the there are White officals in Lousianna who are racist did not give a damn about poor blacks who physically couldnot get out on their own. Thus the poor in New Orleans live a day to day existence. They don't plan ahead or can't, there live are a basic hell every day. Katrina also was a case where the weather conditions were so bad that to send rescue people into the storm would not have been wise. To protect New Orleans from Katrina, the Federal government would have had to begin leve building with the Carter administration. Frankly the US Army Corp of Engineers needs to study German Field Marshall - Gen Erwin Rommel's design of the Normandy coast. I think the giant wall went for almost 100 miles and used tons of concrete and steel. We are are talking like 50 to 100 feet high. If people are going to be illogical and live in places below sea level because they like the damn view or being near water, then these States need to build a Rommel type wall, from Corpus Christie Tx. all the way to New Orleans, la.

hawkrew 9 years, 3 months ago

That would be one heck of a wall harrierist... :)

sunflower_sue 9 years, 3 months ago

Hurricane...being overly prepared is always better than the opposite!

IP, could you keep us posted on the benefit concert? Some of us just can't seem to get our acts together and make the weekend meetings. Thanks!

LesterBurnham 9 years, 3 months ago

The government's response was just the same, in both cases they ordered mandatory evacuations. In Rita they followed the order, in Katrina, many did not. Has nothing to do with the government's actions, only to do with the peoples reactions.

neopolss 9 years, 3 months ago

Hasn't this been a blessing for our wonderful government? We're arguing hurricane's while completely forgetting about the Iraq mess, or the millions of taxpayers who continue to be bent over each day. Let me say this very clearly: This government, democrat and republican alike, has lost focus on who funds it, and who it should be looking out for. That said, I saw an earlier comment on how government's role has changed and people's expectations. That poster is definately right. However, I tend to think that a government that provides aid and upholds the rights of the people will undeniably be more prosperous than the government who simply did nothing at all.

monkeywrench1969 9 years, 3 months ago

The main difference was those in Mississippi and Texas were on top of their game. They had plans in place and executed them in the beginning. Although some were slow or had problems. They did what they should to re-evaluate and work out the problems for next time.

NO was a totally different story. Nagin and Blanco are nothing like the Mayor of Beaumont, TX who came off like a woman in charge and on the ball.

Additionally, the stories surfacing now about how the aid once it got to NO was accepted is alarming. One in particular that ticked me off came from a western Kansas minister who's group put together thick fresh deli sandwiches and other goodies for evacuees from the churches donations. When giving the people food they were indignant and asked "Where's the McDonalds." WHen they were done the trhew the trash on the ground where they were standing or sitting and walked off.

This is an article that was not widely run, but is interesting for those who still want to say the response was slow. YEah maybe, but it was on target with those of the past.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

Harrierist, Agreed. If one is poor, there's no reason why that person should be uneducated. 12 grades of school are essentially free. If one really applies oneself, there's grants and scholarships, etc. It's just ridiculous how someone (I'm not talking about anyone here on the forum) would blame a group of people's academic inadequacies on race, rather than realizing that that person has the same opportunities as everyone else, period. Actually, due to affirmative action and various things akin to it, someone can get a great test score, whereas, say, a black individual could get a lesser score but be admitted to a school over the person with the better score. I'm sorry, but I have to say that that's racist against whites (and I'm black, by the way).

In regard to something neopolss said: I dislike that, due to the hurricaines, it's as if there's nothing else going on in the world. I realize there needs to be adequate coverage, but by now we've pretty much seen it all. CNN especially needs to get their a$$e$ in gear (although I haven't watched enough of it lately to see what other news stories they've covered).

Ceallach 9 years, 3 months ago

The ghost of Katrina had as much or more to do with people evacuating at the news of Rita than any government's plan.

My mother is a rare South Texas jewel. After decades of riding out the the effects of gulf storms she was not even hesitant to go further inland. Why? Because she saw what happened to NO and MS from Katrina. Souls, who lived many more miles inland than she, losing everything they hold dear made an impression. I say "rare" because, my mother is not rich, she is white, but I don't think she can even say "Republican." I have learned to interpret a certain choking, growling sound she often makes to mean Republican:) In Texas, that is rare.

italianprincess 9 years, 3 months ago

Good morning everyone..........

You can't compare one hurricane with the other. Both Katrina and Rita did damage, Rita hitting NO again with more damage. Alot of different states out south got hit one way or another. The government will learn from both of these how to better prepare for the next one. Hurricane season is not over yet, and who knows if theres going to be another one.

Plans for the benefit are going fantastic. We have 7 bands ready to play, merchants willing to donate for our raffle auction, and we are so hyped up about the 22nd.

We do meet every Sunday at La Prima Tazza for who ever wants to come out and join us. Our group has grown and we sent in papers today to become a non-profit corp. Becoming a non-profit corp means we will be able to help out others when needed.

I just wanted to put together a benefit to help others and now I have become a chairman. Its crazy and exciting at the same time. We are working so hard on this benefit and would love for everyone to come out, have a good time and think about those who are less forunate then we are now.

Have a great day everyone...........I'm so excited!!!!!!!!

Ceallach 9 years, 3 months ago

2 $$ worth -- inflation -- I love it, ms_canada!

jonas 9 years, 3 months ago

Dang, almost 50 already. What's the point?

Instead, here's a really fun game I recommend everyone blow their lunch break on. My best score is 12 but I didn't spend too much time on it.

http://www.widro.com/throwpaper.html

By the way, for the folks I left hanging on Friday, the quote was from the movie "Cannibal the Musical" with Trey Parker and Matt Stone (South Park creators) and most of the same cast from Orgazmo. The gag was that the "indian" was full blooded. . . japanese. The why is never explained.

Good movie. At least. . . 2 out of 10 will find it hysterical, the other 8 maybe not so much.

beatrice 9 years, 3 months ago

Ceallach: "The ghost of Katrina had as much or more to do with people evacuating at the news of Rita than any government's plan." Probably the truest thing written on here today. Were it not for Katrina, I know that my in-laws would have stayed put. (They never made it here, by the way. They ended up staying in Oklahoma, and have already turned back to Texas.)

Monkey: "When giving the people food they were indignant and asked "Where's the McDonalds." However, I'm confident that the vast majority who received aid were grateful. I say to you, and remind myself too, that we should remember not to look at one incident as representative of the entire picture or that one person speaks for more than that one person. (Example: Pat Robertson blamed Katrina on Ellen Degenerus (sp?), and Pat ran for President as a Republican, so is this to suggest that all Rebublicans must agree and feel that Ellen is to blame? See how silly that is. I'm sure that if you dug hard and long enough you could find one or two Reps who don't blame Ellen. Okay, just kidding there at the end, but I hope you get my point.)

Seriously, no one has answered my earlier question: Why do they call them "jersey barriers?"

italianprincess 9 years, 3 months ago

I just saw the news and Cameron LA is completely flattened. There is nothing left to it at all. Its like a huge wave just washed it all into the sea.

This is why we are hosting this benefit concert. I feel so bad for all those people who have lost everything.

neopolss 9 years, 3 months ago

"Agreed. If one is poor, there's no reason why that person should be uneducated."

There's actually lots of reasons. Many of which account for social positions and control by the parent. As a youth who may have spent an entire youth knowing only the way things are, it's increasingly difficult to reverse the trend and 180 in the right direction. If you had spent most of your youth caring for other family members, or trying to help your family simply make it, education is far down the list of priorities. At one point in society, the ability to enjoy one's youth was a privilage. It's amazing what the Victorian era ushered in.

Lastly, education, even K-12, is NOT free. Besides paying for these substandard services with your tax dollars, parents usually pay enrollment fees, immunizations, and classroom materials. $$

It's a vicious cycle. If we want to help our nation, perhaps we should look to our own native american population which gets largely ignored. Many reservations are dirt poor, with poorly equipped facilities and barren land for farming. People living in these areas often have no chance to escape, as there is usually nothing for fifty miles in any direction. Yet our congress continues to deplete funds from the reservations, and continues to go back on treaties it promised years ago. We're spending $200 billion so far on Iraqis and less than even 10% on our native american population. We have yet to begin to attone for our attrocities against them, as we continue to commit them still.

Linda Aikins 9 years, 3 months ago

They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning. No one you see Is smarter than he.

And we know Flipper lives in a world full of wonder Flying there under Under the sea

hottruckinmama 9 years, 3 months ago

well of course its not the same. rita was forecast to hit mostly texas. you can better believe w is going to make sure texas is taken care of. its his home state and it tends to have a lot of rich white republicans. if katrina had hit galvaston or houston you would have seen a whole different response coming from washington weather the local officals had requested help or not.

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

Golly woggle - I am going to shut my computer off before I get completely depressed. Things are looking pretty gloomy here today. Prospector - so you would not worry too much about signing the Kyoto accord, I take it. But with all due respect, you speak of glaciers two and three thousand years old. Are you a geologist? Just curious, you seem to be in the know. What is the scariest thing that you can think of? I do have concerns about the future generations. How will they keep warm. The forests are being depleted, the oil will be gone in 75 yrs, you say. Well, I'll tell you what, my hope is that the Lord Jesus will return before that time and set up His Kingdom here on earth and there will be no more oil and money greedy barons around anymore. And there will be some other way to keep warm. And believe me, I am not being funny, I am serious although from my light-hearted tone you might not think so. If you are a geologist you know about the long, long term effects of climate change, but that does us not much good with our relatively short life span, does it?

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

Oh, that article is too funny. wipes tears from eyes

neopolss, I fully understand, and am in full agreement. I should have revised my comment to say that, despite everything, there are opportunities. There's assistance for school costs -- supplies, immunizations, other things you mentioned, although the assistance is very poor in itself. I'm not sure exactly what the criterion is for determining candidates, but I'm sure it excludes many people.

For the record, I agree with your post, and stand corrected on some things.

As to Native American reservations -- the conditions are terrible, yes. The education is terrible, too, if it exists on some reservations. I know a man who attends Haskell, and he tells me that they basically have to teach the class things that would normally be taught in kindergarten. I know Haskell isn't a reservation, but it's an illustration of how many Native American institutions teach, largely because they wish to continue traditions (which is a good thing, of course).

I'm not sure I know enough about it, though, to talk intelligently on the subject, so I'll just stop. But you raise some excellent points.

neopolss 9 years, 3 months ago

I'm way off-topic on this, but we should feel very fortunate to have Haskell near us. I have heard many complaints about the native americans that blow their tribal money (which is a concern of mine), but there is definately some prejudice around here. We are in much closer contact than many Americans are. From art festivals to dances to sports, we have a prime oppurtunity to interact and learn. The native american culture slowly erodes away, and we should do everything in our power to preserve the language and customs. I personally have learned so many new things seeing it from their point of view. If we can only get the BIA to actually represent the population, instead of selling away their lands and oppurtunities.

Anyway, back on topic. ummmm ... Rita sucks. Katrina sucked too. Politicians who bicker suck.

Grammaton 9 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, that pesky hurricane, political stuff.

Ceallach 9 years, 3 months ago

beatrice: What is it with trying to get people out of Texas? Glad your family was able to stay safe, even if they didn't make it to Kansas. I knew when I heard the first prediction that had East and Houston in the same sentence that my mom was not going to budge :) [Some people think I get my stubborness from my Irish father -- not true. Once that little Cherokee-German woman sets her mind -- forget it :]

o_m_b: Happy you're still with us!

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

prospector - sorry about the mistake. That will teach me to comment when I am in a hurry. I bow to your superior knowledge of the earth and all it's workings. I hope you do get on the rock breaking crew. And I want to say a welcome to you on this panel of commentors. We like new blood every once in a while. Keeps us on our toes.

beatrice 9 years, 3 months ago

TOB: thanks for the link to the jersey barriers -- funny that they were first used in California.

Did anyone catch Bill Maher on HBO this past Friday? If you can laugh at yourself, his rip on rebuilding New Orleans in Kansas was too funny. ("Don't think of it as 1.5 million black people coming to town, think of it as "The March of the Penguins," ... but with 1.5 million black people.")

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

prospector - I think I should explain about the greedy money and oil barons not being here when Jesus sets up His Kingdom. I was not implying that they would be in h*ll. I meant that when Jesus comes there will just not be anymore evil or sin in His kingdom/heaven. If there was sin present, would it then be heaven? I don't know where all the oil barons will be and would not hazard a guess. You are new to this board and won't know that I and several others are serious Christians and we firmly believe that this present world system will not last forever. It will be replaced as the Bible tells us. I hope you won't take offense at my words as none is intended. :o)

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

e_m - took a minute to figure that out. A cone of silence for the Smart guy. Good one.

beatrice 9 years, 3 months ago

E_M: I'M NOT SHOUTING. MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS STUCK.

hagar 9 years, 3 months ago

A few comments on the above.....

"Rommel's Wall" was a figment of Hitler's imagination. It was strong in the Pas de Calais area, but thinner in other areas. It was breached in less than 12 hours!

We keep hearing and arguing about New Orleans, but the Gulf Coast of Mississippi was turned into kindling wood by Katrina. The worst of her winds missed N.O. but hit Mississippi. Where are the news stories of the status and recovery operations between Pascagoula and Long Beach?? News people - Better hotels in Baton Rouge (one hour from New Orleans)???????

Anyone actually read the Kyoto Agreement (and its sister the Montreal Protocol)? The number of countries that exempted themselves, or delayed implementation into the future, make both of them a farce.

ms_canada 9 years, 3 months ago

Prospector - good gracious no, I judge no one and sincerely hope that you do not end up in prison. Just a joke it is. My God is also a loving God. We just began a study in my church on love and the learned that the reason God put us on this earth is to LOVE. God first and then our neighbour. And who is our neighbour, why everyone. But like the song of old, What the World Needs Now is just plain, Thats the only thing that there is just too little of. True???

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