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What is your opinion of the president’s response to the Hurricane Katrina emergency?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on September 8, 2005

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“I’m disappointed. He didn’t convey the gravity of the situation. All he had to offer was his typical smile and saying everything will be better tomorrow. I think people wanted a clear explanation of what would be done to help.”

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“It was slow. I think the blame goes much further than the president, but he’s the boss.”

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“It was a little late. I think the president grossly miscalculated the situation. I don’t think there is anything he can do to redeem himself.”

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“I feel like his response was not adequate, and he deserves the criticism that he has been dealt.”

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rooga 12 years, 8 months ago

All I have to say is You get what you vote for. Would you expect anything less from Pres. Bush. I say to the American people who voted for Bush. thats what you get suckers!!!! Be upset at youselves, you re-elected that moron!!

Spoken1 12 years, 8 months ago


"If you're blaming the President, then you're just another sore loser Democrat trying to blame Bush for everything"

How completely stupid.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

crohan1978-- After making a somewhat salient point, do you really want to foul up the works by bringing Iraq into this?

If you are tired of Bush getting blamed for everything, then ask him quite politely to remove his administrations head from its collective sphincters and get some actual work done...

Spoken1 12 years, 8 months ago


Bill Frist doesn't have a bi-partisan bone in his body. What an amazingly short-sighted statement.

italianprincess 12 years, 8 months ago

Oh......before I forget here.

I have emailed 11 bands to play that day and have only heard from a few so far. As you can see we are still looking for bands to play.

If anyone knows of a band can you please email me at......... " " .

Any and all input would be appreciated.


craigers 12 years, 8 months ago

Good Morning everybody. Boy the LJWorld knows how to pick their questions to up the hits on their website. It is going to be a long day. The Bush haters will be out today. I am predicting 160 posts by the end of the day.

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

KsjKC- Actually, I didn't want to include Iraq in that at all, but the simple fact is, idiots trying to blame Bush for the levees are using Iraq as the reason why they weren't funded properly. If you haven't heard that one yet, you must have been hiding in a closet.

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

Darwin is SO right! I think it goes a lot farther than the president; there's lot of 'splaining to do. But as a malevolent grasshopper voiced by Kevin Spacey once said: "First rule of leadership - EVERYTHING is your fault".

Ever the Disney Whore, GEB*

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

I think maybe people assume that the Bush administration was slow to to act in this crisis...

They assume correctly.

However, the White House is working hard to overcome this perception--and I for one am thrilled and proud to know that they are presently working on a strategy to deal with the terrible fire in Chicago, including a full-scale investigation into possible Al-Queda connections to Mrs O'Leary and her cow.

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

Nice. That was a pure gem of comedic genius. Thanks for the morning chuckles, KSjKC.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

GreenEyedBlues-- Awwwwwwwwwww--Stop it some more... Flattery will get you almost everywhere with me...

I have to admit I find it unsettling how many will gleefully jump on people at the state and local levels--but then when things look to land at the president's door, his frog-belly white flanks are just too sacrosanct for that kind of close scrutiny....

And the very idea of Bush launching his own investigation is akin to the crooked butler being put in charge of the search for the missing silver...

Manson 12 years, 8 months ago

First of all the accessability to the towers was an entirely diffrent situation. Traversing hundreds of square miles of flooded land might slow things down a bit dont ya think?

enochville 12 years, 8 months ago

I am not particularly fond of Bush as president; I even voted for Kerry, but honestly, I don't think we can rightfully blame the late response on Bush. The mayor of New Orleans in interviews after his initial exasperation has blamed the slow response on bureacratic red tape where jurisdictional arguments and laws got in the way. The mayor didn't care about the legality of who can help when, he just wanted help now. Now, maybe we can blame the red tape on the legislative branch of both the federal and state gov'ts. Evidently, the states and major cities wanted some of the homeland security moneys, so they agreed to have first response responsibilities in cases of emergency, but they were quickly overwhelmed. Bush said he was disappointed with the results of the government's intervention and I am sure he has let FEMA and others know it.

And as far as this being a race issue, I think that is ridiculous. The only race issue remotely related to the government's response is that there is a large proportion of blacks that are poor. That is something we as a society need to try to correct, but the Hurricane response had nothing to do with race and it frustrates me when people use the race card when it has nothing to do with the situation. Poverty and attachment to their homes is why people stayed or got stuck in New Orleans. The bureacratic red tape would have slowed the response no matter what race the survivors were.

I have survived a major flood before back in 1994 and it took a few days before we got help as well. Should there have been a plan in place to evacuate New Orleans and jurisdictional issues pre-sorted out before disaster struck? Yes. Is that Bush's fault? No more so than the rest of the legislatures in the country. National guard deployment has had nothing to do with it either.

Richard Heckler 12 years, 8 months ago

There is plenty of active duty and national guard within the USA. It appears as though Pres. Bush was not paying close attention thus unacceptable response. City,State and top federal officials should have been in communication immediately once the news of the levee being compromised was out... vacationing or not.

One example:

Pentagon: USS Bataan Waited Days For Orders to Help Out

Criticism of the federal government's response is also coming from some unlikely sources including the Pentagon. Lt. Commander Sean Kelly, a Pentagon spokesman for Northern Command, revealed on the BBC that NorthCom was prepared to send in search and rescue helicopters from the USS Bataan almost immediately after the hurricane hit. He said, "We had things ready. The only caveat is: we have to wait until the president authorizes

us to do so." That authorization didn't happen for days even though the ship was docked just outside New Orleans. On board the ship had doctors, hospital beds, food and the ability to make up to 100,000 gallons of water a day.

This ship also is equipped with a state of the art communication system with the ability to keep local police mobile phones charged up and working.

Homeland Security is way too big to be an efficient/effective responder. It is likely a money hole.

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

If you're trying to deflect blame off of the current administration to try and score points with the Big Jeez, then you're a cotton headed ninnymuggins.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago


What do you say to the people at the local level who asked the state who asked the White House for funds to keep the pumps running? Not the the disaster pumps. The everyday keep New Orleans from being Waterworld pumps. Or funding for the levees? Or improvements to the aforementioned levees only strong enough to withstand a Cat 3 storm?

If you are being a Bush apologist, then you are just another sore Republican trying to blame the president's lack of foresight on someone other than the president--something of a Washington cottage industry these days.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

I swear--there are some Republicans in dire need of a new hobby:

Find a less-than-average governor able to trade on the family name, put him in the White House, slap a trainee badge on him and spend the next five years apologizing for his messes like he's a big dumb dog with a bladder-control problem...either that or blame it on the cat...

But it's not working--Have you seen the size of THIS puddle?

Where does the buck stop in this White House?

jonas 12 years, 8 months ago

bowhunter: Have you considered the possibility that, in reality, you're a sore winner republican who can't let himself think that anything is the presidents fault, because one slip will knock the scales off of your eyes, and you'll see how much of an incompetent bungler he truly is?

Of course, as Darwin said, above, the blame truly extends much farther than just the president. However, as Darwin also said, life in it's natural state is survival of the fittest, and it seems that, at some point, we should see some accountability for the endless stream of screw-ups from the federal government over the past half of a decade.

Wonder when the head of FEMA's going to get his medal?

neopolss 12 years, 8 months ago

"We didn't learn that the convention center had people until today (Thursday)" - FEMA

"Don't you guys have television?"

"We didn't know factually until today." - FEMA

"This guy's doing a great job." - President Bush

Admitting that there were errors was probably the best step I have seen the president take, and quite refreshing among the other windbags in the upper echelon who refuse to answer a question without trailing off somewhere for five minutes.

Let's face it everyone. This looked like a cluster**** and we as Americans looked like the bumbling idiots that we are.

Richard Heckler 12 years, 8 months ago

OMB: I am willing to take what I put out as the first real response and anything else as a effort for the Admiral not to be punished which is acceptable to me as well. This person should not be the one taking crap from the White House for being forthcoming.

This ship weathered the hurricane and just happened to be there on a return trip from exercises in Peru.

As far as I am concerned once that levee broke all established protocol went out the window and the white house should have sent out a blanket order to all available military/navy personnel in the area to proceed to NO. The military do not need instruction from the White House on how to do their job. They know what to do in these situations. All they need is authorization. They know rescue. They know triage. They know how to set up emergency communication. The Navy has some of the best doctors on the planet. They know how to organize.

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

FEMA guidelines specifically state that the local and state authorities should be prepared to operate on their own for 48-72 hours, they did not do that. The governor was slow in her request for help, the feds just can't go in and do what they want in a state. NO had an emergency plan, and did follow it. Why isn't anyone asking Mayor Nagin why the buses that were supposed to be used to evacuate the city in case of a disaster such as this, weren't used!! They didn't even bother to try to use the buses they had before the hurricane hit. Also, the superdome is supposed to be stocked and ready to go in case of an emergency, it wasn't. The Astrodome was prepared for this situation, because it is the shelter for when places like Galveston get hit. The Bottom Line is, NO did not follow their own emergency plan, and it contributed largely to what you are seeing now. Did the entire gov't system move slow, obviously, but you can't just keep throwing Bush under the table for this crap! If you go back to last Monday, and look at all the news reports out of NO, it was "we escaped the big one" "we faired alrighty, no problems here" Well, that is what FEMA and the rest of the feds were under the impression of, that everything in NO was fine!! Then all hell broke loose when the levees started giving way late that night and the next day, when the governor was slow in requesting federal help!

I am sick of Bush always getting blamed for everything, and now, according to all these black leaders, and then idiots like Kanye West, he is a racist!! LOOK AT YOUR OWN DAMN MAYOR AND ASK WHY HE DID NOT FOLLOW THEIR OWN EMERGENCY PLAN FOR GETTING THE POOR AND UNABLE OUT OF NEW ORLEANS!!! Also, why don't you look at the article on MSNBC about the agency in NO that is in charge of maintaining the levees, but instead have been focusing the money on attracting casinos, and a huge new island park in the middle of lake ponchartrain. It is very enlightening!!! I'd say those things seem a lot less important than fighting a war in Iraq, like everyone else seems to want to blame for the levees not being funded properly!

allateup2 12 years, 8 months ago

What ever happened to personal responsibility in this country? It never has been a part of the Federal government's responsibility to bail the citizens out of natural or man made disasters. FEMA, another tax dollar sucking bureaucracy was created to plan and ASSIST State and local governments in these times. If anyone would bother to check out FEMA's website or go to the library, county extension office etc. One would find plenty of information on disaster preparedness for any situation. Of course that would take some initiative on the public's part and tearing them away from reality TV shows. Furthermore where has the State and City been for the last 15 years that they knew the dikes would not withstand a category 3 hurricane. I suspect New Orleans generates more than enough tax revenue to have addressed the problem. Don't get me wrong I feel for the people of the Gulf Coast and have donated to the cause. My point is, where has the personal responsibility gone. I'm not a fan of the Federal government's mis-management either but this is not their fault.

italianprincess 12 years, 8 months ago

Good morning.......

I can see that today's lovely question of the day is going to put people in a position to yell back and forth at eachother. Its going to be a Repub vs Dem day here for sure.

We should be leaving politics ( even though its very hard to I know ) out of this and be helping those who need us. If we were put into a situation where we would need help the states that have stepped up would be helping us.

I knew this was going to end up becoming the blame game from the start. Its crazy to think that a better plan wasn't in place before Katrina hit.

Plans for the benefit concert are going well and there is a meeting planned this coming Sunday evening. It would be great to have a few more people climb aboard if they want to also. As the days go by, the BIGGER the benefit concert grows. We are hoping for a HUGE turnout to help our fellow Americans in need right now.

Have a wonderful day everyone, and try not to argue to much over the question of the day even though it may be hard to avoid.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

When this is boiled down to its essential elements what we are left with is a growing section of the electorate looking for leadership and finding a vacuum.

It is becoming more and more disconcerting to have no faith whatsoever in one's elected officials.

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 8 months ago

I think his response totally sucked. But hey he is getting in charge of the investigation (talk about the fox guarding the chicken coop) and got his people out in full force putting their spin on it so all will be well. Once a again he fell in a pile of s**t and will come out smelling like a rose.

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

tell_it_like_it_is- wow, talk about a kool-aid drinker! You didn't here Bill Frist yesterday announce a bi-partisan investigation into what happened?? You obviously get your news directly from Howard Dean, the man who hasn't spoken a word of truth since the day he became a politician

Fishman 12 years, 8 months ago

I don't care for Bush, don't think he's a real smart cookie. But to blame him for levees that have been there since I believe the 30's is ridiculous. Louisiana's ex-governor may be Republican, I don't know, but isn't he still in prison for stealing monies from the state? In emergencies, aren't things supposed to be locally assessed, state assessed, and then FEMA brought in? I think FEMA normally doesn't come in for two days or so anyway. This was such an unprecendented event, I'm not sure if God could have taken care of it correctly. Anytime something like this happens it gives people a chance to criticize. Just ask yourself what have you done to help? If you have, my hats off to you. If you have extra room, you could do what Curt Schilling did, and open your home for someone displaced by visiting, and giving someone a temporary place to live.

Manson 12 years, 8 months ago

There is an element of the population that is making things harder on the rescue efforts. Many of the people I see on tv are the people that don't want to leave their homes yet are asking and demanding food. They can't have it both ways. Don't let the sympathies bleed over to the people you see on tv complaining about water yet are drinking a friggin 6 pack and 40oz's.

I am greatly dissapointed at the people that had the ability to leave yet choose to stay now hampering efforts to save lives. Their selfish decision to stay and ride out the storm has cost many lives and made the rescue efforts very difficult. The best preventative measure taken prior to the Hurricane was to tell people to leave. You can't ask the Government to take the blame for the thousands upon thousands that CHOOSE to stay of their own free will. I see babies and little children in the flood waters and it absolutely enrages me. I know as a parrent myself I would do ANYTHING to save the life of my family. If that ment walking on foot 15 miles away from the city I would do it without question. Simple as that. Any of this "too poor to get out of the way" is a load of BS. Money won't stop me from saving my life and the life of my children.

christie 12 years, 8 months ago


That's all I can say. Nobody is blaming our Dear One for the hurricane. But this response was horrible. I can't believe that the U.S. of A. couldn't muster up a few helicopters to drop water/supplies to those people within HOURS of this disaster.

The News Crews sure could land and get out and about.

Bush was on VACATION while this was going on and our V.P., smelling more oil money, was in Wyoming looking at 3 million dollar houses, too busy to help coordinate any relief for the little people.

National Guard Troops all across the U.S. were poised to act but never got the go ahead. Firefighters were poised to go, but were tied up in 8 hour day classes on what to do, all FEMA related b.s.

What a CROCK.

Liberty 12 years, 8 months ago

President Bush hugged a lot of kids on TV for public consumption. Great pictures to show he cares... After people have died because of their failure and Fema cutting communication lines.

The "National guard" should be de-federalized and should return to being the "State guard" (where the feds can't use their troops). If all of the guard were not involved in the Iraq war, they may have had some ability to do some good here where they are needed. Also, when they call for an evacuation of a city; some people need to stay to help others be able to leave. There were parking lots full of busses in parking lots that were in a pool of water. Where were the people assigned to drive them to help evacuate the people in nursing homes or those that didn't have transportation etc...? The fault is on both the feds and the State and the people for trusting government to this degree. This should tell you that you should not depend on either State or Federal government in an emergency. You must rely on your own resources or be at the mercy of the government whenever they decide to get around to doing something to help.

Both governments appear to operate on Murphy's law. "What ever can go wrong will go wrong".

Government certainly does not deserve any more tax money, (in fact they should get less) for this performance and we as a people are stupid if we allow this 9-11 type of investigation/cover-up to tell us that they need more money and power to do a better job which is nothing more than another power grab like the Patriot Act after 9-11.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

Did the 48-hour wait that people keep attributing to proper FEMA response apply to 9-11?

Just curious. I'm not baiting--I lost a friend in the towers...I just want to know what makes a natural disaster subject to different rules of engagement than a man-made possibly politically charged one. I really want to know...

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

KsjKC- First off, sorry about your friend, but about your point, NY was much better prepared for a disaster, and Mayor Guiliani as well as Governor Pataki handled the disaster much better than the Louisiana Governor and Mayor Nagin of NO. They obviously had a plan. The fact is, THE FEDERAL GOV'T CANNOT JUST COME INTO A STATE AND START AIDING, IT HAS TO BE REQUESTED BY THE GOVERNOR, AND GETTING THOSE RESOURCES TOGETHER TAKES A COUPLE DAYS.

allateup2 12 years, 8 months ago

How can you compare this to 9-11 ? 1st of all in 9-11 the first responders were the city Police and Fire. 2nd it was a very small disaster area compared to the the massive square miles of the Gulf States that were caught up in the hurricane. If one room in your house is a mess you can concentrate your efforts on that room. If the whole house is in a disarray where do you begin?

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

the National Guard is controlled by the state!! The louisiana national guard can only take orders from the governor. That is why you had issues yesterday where Mayor Nagin was ordering the use of force to get people out, and the National Guard said they would not be participating, because Governor Blanco said no. Only the police force, which Nagin controls, can take those orders. I think Blanco has since changed her mind, but I am not sure about that

Liberty 12 years, 8 months ago

I think that Fema was in New York taking part in a drill/exercise on 9-11 of a practice run of possible terrorists crashing planes into the twin towers. Very convienent wouldn't you say to be performing a drill when the actual thing happened?

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

So you get more help if you plan better and execute better? Does anyone remember the Berlin Airlift? Does anyone recall how rapidly we deployed aid after the Tsunami? Why do you continue to be an apologist for a failed protocol? If we can come up with a law like the Patriot Act that gives civil liberties a tty twister, don't you think we can finesse a few hundred miles of FEMA red-tape when a major US city is under water? Your answers may sound solid to you--but not to a lot of others. In fact, while they may not be total chicken-st, they do have henhouse ways about them...

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

I'm not making any excuses KsjKC, I'm just saying you can't keep blaming Bush for all this, it lies on all parts of the gov't, but not just Bush. Everyone seems to be feeling sorry for Mayor Nagin, when is one of the biggest, if not the biggest screw up of all this!

Spoken1- So if there are people from both sides of the aisle, performing the investigation, that is not a bi-partisan investigation? Whats your friggin point?? Most of the democrats don't have a bi-partisan bone in their body either, thats why we have all this stupid waste of time blame game going on right now, because of the partisan politics they spout off!! Its a friggin sham, and I am so sick of all politicians!

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

KsjKC- all I can say in regards to your comment about a bunch of other people don't understand my "solid answers" YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID


KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago


Your all-caps ranting is getting old and abusive and not proving anything other than your ability to be rude and lose your head in a debate...

Is Kool-Aid drinker the dis of the moment? I've spent the last five years sipping this concoction, then...

You are right in one way--LA's governor and New Orleans mayor failed.

Now---embrace the fact that the federal branch did too. They failed to act with expedition.

Calling me or anyone else stupid fixes nothing and makes you a bully. Are you a bully Crohan?

Liberty 12 years, 8 months ago

One should remeber that the feds did a study in 1995 about this very senario that occured in New Orleans. They knew that it was a disaster waiting to happen. The state government knew this too. If we learn anything from this, it should be that we need to be more self sufficent. Don't blindly trust government. In the words of President Reagan: "Trust but verify".

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

KsjKC- are you not reading my entire posts?? I said they were ALL to blame!!! But I was sick of the Bush bashers putting it all on Bush, and then calling him a racist! I'm glad you FINALLY admitted that the governor and mayor have failed. good job!

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

KsjKC- I'm not a bully, but I call them how I see them, and you are obviously playing the stupid game. You admitted as much when you said you've been drinking the kool-aid for several years.

kulions 12 years, 8 months ago

I think that we should quit blaming anyone for what has gone wrong, work on doing everything we can to get NO back to some state of stability. Then work to fix whatever went wrong, in any branch of the Government to make sure it doesn't happen again.

As I stated a few days ago the KU Lions Club is raising money for the Hurricane victims. So far we have raised $300 and we appreciate anyone who donated. 100% of the proceeds go to the Red Cross. We are still willing to help in any way IP. Just let us know.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

There has not been one time, not one time, when I have voiced support for the actions of Louisiana's Blanco and Nagin. Your condescending praise of my FINALLY admitting that is quite unwarranted, unneccesary and unappreciated.

You seemed to be concerned about the Emperor and his clothes. This President Bush is not the man or the leader his father was. Don't call me a Bush - basher unless you have access to my voting records, which you do not. Unless you are former Attorney General Ashcroft, in which case I put nothing past you...

I don't think you grasp the essential point in all of this: Americans want to know that their president is aware and active in the lives of his people. There is a lack of faith in this president. Surely you must be aware of this.

Libby 12 years, 8 months ago

WOW. I agree that it is horrifying to see people experience such devastation. It really is frightening. I try to be appreciative every day of the life that I have. BUT... Do you think any of us know what really went wrong with the relief effort? Do we each know the exact steps that are taken in a disaster? How do you know who was prepared and who wasn't? Is there anyway to know the true circumstances from the local level up? C'mon. The media pounced on this and dazzled you into unconsciousness. Most of us can't even fathom what a disaster of this size is like. You know it is difficult to get 3 people in the same room to find the same facts, have the same opinions, and come to an agreement under normal circumstances. Placing the blame here, especially in this circumstance, obviously doesn't change anything. If everyone feels so strongly about it...... Why is everyone is still here in Lawrence? Get down there. So, should YOU be blamed because you didn't send at least $25 to the Red Cross or because YOU didn't pack-up your life and volunteer your time to provide assistance?? It is so easy to have an opinion with a slice of pizza in one hand a cold Coke in the other..... I feel like I am listening to the teacher from "Charlie Brown."

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

Perhaps people would be better served if they spent more time researching facts regarding Homeland Security, FEMA, state and local guidelines, etc., instead of turning on the TV and believing everything they hear. There are websites available that outline how the structure is set up. We should not continue to hammer the "set up" when obviously many people do not know the facts. btw, quoting sites that are obviously political on either side is not productive.

Rail if you must, there is certainly a high level of frustration, anger and pain in our country at this time. I find it sad that our politicians cannot work together to meet the challenges presented to our nation by this disaster and save the blame-game for later.

As a secondary site, Lawrencians may have the opportunity to actually "put their time and money where their mouths are."

Hats off to IP and omb, people who put forth themselves to help without using that effort to promote a political agenda.

Redneckgal 12 years, 8 months ago

I think Bush is the most inept corrupt president we've ever had. The local officials may share a little of the blame. But ask yourself this: If this would have happened in LA Miami or New York or anyplace else with a more wealthy population would he have let it go on for so long without some kind of intervention? Even if local officials hadn't requested assistance? I really doubt it!

Richard Heckler 12 years, 8 months ago

The administration is putting out so much spin that it is obvious they know they screwed up. The bottom line is when a levee breaks you don't sit around and wait for someone to ask for help. You make sure help is on the way. It doesn't matter what rating a storm is given once a levee breaks the water is coming deep and fast into a city that is below sea level. No evacuation plan can possibly cover that situation. The FEMA head does not know his job.

Arminius, Here is more information from the same ABC news report.

Nonetheless, some experts argue that the federal government should have been more proactive.

"If the city and the state are stumbling or in over their head, then it's FEMA's [Federal Emergency Management Agency's] responsibility to show some leadership," said Jerry Hauer, director of public health preparedness at the Department of Health and Human Services.

craigers 12 years, 8 months ago

While I agree that Bush shouldn't have been on vacation once we knew that New Orleans was going to be in the center of the storm and then with the city being a bowl, the ensuring doom that it would suffer was evident. However, first in line would be the mayor, but the president should of had his ducks in a row waiting for the word from the governor. I know that they money and aid isn't just in a checking account so that the president can write a check and call things good, so blaming him isn't going to get us anywhere.

I would like to up my estimate for the posts today: 230.

lunacydetector 12 years, 8 months ago

the mayor had 375 buses to use to get people out. he didn't use any of them and they ended up being flooded. he didn't want to dip into the city reserve funds to pay for the costs. the mayor and the governor should've requested assistance and followed the proper procedures in order to get the federal govt. involved.

why can other states get hit with hurricanes and federal assistance is prompt? obviously something got screwed up on a local & state level first.

but of course, the people who decided to stay should get a lot of the blame as well. why didn't they leave before the storm hit? heck, some don't want to leave even today - with the dangerous waste and rotting bodies. how screwy is that?

hawkrew 12 years, 8 months ago

First off...Drop the kool-aid bit. It's been said, it's been used, and now it's old.

Second off...I don't know about the study in 1995, which is completely possible, but I know there was a study done last year and it predicted the exact scenario unfolding as we speak. The blame lies on all levels of government here, all should have been more prepared to act on this more quickly.

crohan1978 12 years, 8 months ago

The same people that spout off saying they hate the Patriot Act, are the same ones that want the Feds to move into the state, pre-emptively, without being requested to do so? It is unconstitutional for the Federal authorities to come in and take over a situation like this without the request of the state authorities!!! This is something the founding fathers fought for, state sovereignty!! This is so typical of the democratic party, wanting a mommy government, where no personal responsibility is required of the general public. We want less government, not more!

Face it, the local and state authorities, failed big time!! FEMA is also to blame, but only for their slow response after it was requested, which was delayed to being with! There is so much red tape and beauracracy, its not even funny, but that doesn't fall on Bush, that is all government period! It always has existed, and always will!!

hawkrew 12 years, 8 months ago

A lot of people didn't leave before because they couldn't. They don't have the money to pay for hotels (especially ones that up there prices in cases like this) or have family or friends to go to. Also, as been discussed, there is a lot of poor areas where people didn't have the accesibility or knowledge of what could truly happen. Some have been through hurricanes before and figured it would be more of the same. Imagine telling everybody in Kansas City that they have to evacuate in a week because something they have been through before is coming again. Everyone wouldn't, it's not as simple as saying why didn't you leave? Some people have lost, friends, homes, businesses...they have nothing left. Where do they go? It's not safe for them to be there, but I can see why they are lost as what to do.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

The policy under the last two presidents was for FEMA to get involved under the president's direct leadership before disasters such as this hit, not days afterward.

Under Bush, FEMA has been downgraded as an institution, and the top three people "running" it right now are purely political patronage appointees with zero experience in managing disaster relief. What we see now are predictable results of such actions (or inactions.)

If the Bush administration or anyone "running" FEMA had been paying attention, they would have known that neither Lousiana nor New Orleans was in a position to deal with the disaster about to hit.

But we know that the only thing BushCo pay attention to is their pet ideological projects, such as tax cuts for the wealthy, and colonization of Iraq for Exxon and Haliburton. The outrage over this fact is reaching a boiling point, and that's why the blame game is in full force.

Larry 12 years, 8 months ago

I'm sure that if Bush had the power to divert the hurricane and make it powerless, he would have done so. Unlike Clinton did when he had numerous chances to catch OBL but didn't. He probably could have stopped the bombing of the WTB's had he acted on OBL, saving thousands of lives. Hummmmmmm! Let's bash Bush because the State of LA and New Orleans failed big time, yet ignore Clinton's responsibilities to capture a terrorist who repeatedly stated that he was going to get us. Now - who is it that truly failed in his responsibilities.

Granted, I believe things could have been handled better but it sure seems to me that the city of New Orleans and the state of LA wasn't prepared and should share the majority of the blame. The federal government can't be responsible for preparing every town and state for situations like this. That would be an impossible task. The responsibility lies on a bunch of people outside the federal government. Of course, the liberal LJW doesn't form the question in terms of the federal governments responsibilities, it forms it as another direct hit on President Bush. Ditto to crohan1978 above. Good post!

Manson 12 years, 8 months ago

I'd like to address the response time issue. In the begining the nature of the flood waters hampered response time. You have 100k people that need to be rescued but when the infrastructure is impassable and nothing short of 8 man flat bottom boats are able to traverse the flooded landscape kinda makes it difficult to evacuate that many people swiftly. Lets not forget the accessability aspect in the first 5 days. Can't drive in. can't fly in. Small boats and helicopters thats it. The nature of the disaster itself complicated rescue efforts. All of the preperation in the world could not expidite rescue efforts. The primary blame rests on the govenor for not using the resources before hand to evacuate. The rest of the blame can be attributed to those that didn't leave and finaly blame the hurricane.

hawkrew 12 years, 8 months ago

I don't know if Bush deserves all of the blame, however, the federal government deserves some and he is the head of the federal government, hence, some blame goes to Bush. Same scenario as a loses money, CEO takes the biggest hit.

But not all of the blame lies on the federal government. A lot of people failed in this disaster.

Libby 12 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Larry and Crohan1978 for your posts. You saved my day. I can't read this anymore.

Adam 12 years, 8 months ago

I love how Bush can invade a foreign country without approval from the UN or Congress, but can't send aid to a US city, becuase the Governor and Mayor didn't specify exactly what was needed.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

If anything NICE can be said about Bush's handling of this catastrophe, he chose a Coast Guard Vice Admiral to assist that incompetent nut who heads FEMA. Otherwise, the government's response time NEEDS WORK!

beatrice 12 years, 8 months ago

Bush wasn't slow in responding, he was just too busy "My Pet Goat, part II" to get right to it.

whosaid 12 years, 8 months ago

I lived in New Orleans during Hurricane Georges. There was a mandatory evacuation in New Orleans then, but it only affected a few thousand people.
I am not going to sit here and blame anyone, but I do have something to add. Evacuating a major city is not easy, especially NO. There is a limited number of escape routes out of the city. Actually, there are only 2 major routes out. It isn't just the residents of NO trying to use these highways, it is also pretty much any surrounding or southern town as well. If you think it is easy to get out 2 million people out of that area in a quick and orderly fashion you are wrong. You might say, "Well, the people new for so many days that it was coming, why didn't they get out?" Besides not having all the resources they may need, it just isn't realistic to evacuate that many people when the status of a hurricane changes so quickly. I mean, the entire gulf coast can't be evacuated every time there is a hurricane brewing somewhere. So, the local officials do wait until they see how likely that the area will be affected. By the time they can really tell, it just isn't enough time to move that many people. Also, these people have been through the warnings and voluntary evac's so many times. Alot of these people are poorer than any of you could even imagine. So, they get evacuated and spend their entire weeks grocery money on gas to go sit bumper to bumper for 10 hours, get out of the city, rent a hotel or whatever and spend another weeks worth of grocery money on food and lodging for a couple of days, and then the hurricane turns. These people then have to go back home and suffer for the next 2 weeks for something that didn't happen.
So, the people are reluctant to evacuate and that cost thousands of people their lives this time. There are thousands of people suffering right now, why sit here and debate who is at fault? Is it really going to accomplish anything?

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

This may be way off the subject, therefore my apologies. I heard on KPR today that under Bush, the government has spent over $7 BILLION in classifying information. Now that kind of effort, according to our 9-1-1 Commission, is why our government was ill-prepared for Sept. 11th. Whether or not information is classified, rightly or wrongly, if this administration FOCUSED on how to better prepare for natural disasters, then the catastrophe in New Orleans would not have occurred. WAKE UP BUSH!

LesterBurnham 12 years, 8 months ago

What's all this excitement about? Nothing! The government did its job in issueing an timely and effective warning. Everyone living in the gulf states had plenty of time to leave, and most did so. Some will take huge financial losses, but thats why you buy hurricane insurance. There is no excuse for living in these southern states and not being prepared for a hurricane. Some individuals, who found themselves in hospitals or other governmental facillities before the hurricane, could have been taken care of better, moved sooner. So someone should take the blame at these facilities, but only the local officials. The local government might be sued and the local officials will likely not be re-elected. Sure the president is utlimately reponsible for our country's well being, but this hurricane and the low loss of life involved isn't important enough to warrent a massive federal response.

Our president and government should be more concerned about national defense and preserving our country's natural resources (land, wildlife), than about the poor personal decisions that some people made to ride out a storm.

The folks who choose to ride out the hurricane are not the problem, rather it's the people who did this and then expected help after the hurricane hit. After a major natural disaster, it takes massive amounts of time to repair the damage. That is why it is called a disaster.

I think the government's response for those people who choose to stay in New Orleans was fantastic. In less than a week the government arranged free transportation ouf of the city. This is much better than the response given to Sumatra victoms, or even hurricanes to hit our country 100 years ago. Anyways, the responce is always slowly improving, why complain?

There is no reason to complain about the economic impact either. So the hurricane does temporarily hender the economy through higher fuel prices. However, billions of dollars of new spending is now going to be spent on manufacturing and construction for this area. Tens of thousands of new jobs will be needed for the new production, creating many opurtunities for Americans.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

Well said, Lester, it's just some of the things before this hurricane Bush has done that America demands better accountability. I hope the local politicians in New Orleans get the pink slip. My prayers go to all who suffered losses in all regions affected negatively by this hurricane.

whosaid 12 years, 8 months ago

Lester-- low loss of life? Are you kidding? I know they do not really have any idea of how many people have died yet, but a low loss of life? If you consider thousands of people dying a low loss of life then there is something wrong with you. There is a good chance that there have been more fatalities than 9-11, Pearl Harbor, Oklahoma City Bombing, and the so called war on terrror in Iraq combined. But, you don't see a need for Federal response?

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

By the way, if I was not clear enough, all the blame for the catastrophe in New Orleans goes toward that incompetent mayor & ALL politicians in New Orleans.

Universe 12 years, 8 months ago

-- Ellen Raimond: Since this is Bushs' fault (again) what has the your party 'offered'?; a Barbara Streisand benefit so liberals can "feel" like somehow they've actually helped?

-- David Darwin: Yes he is; and Hillary is attempting to snake her way into becoming 'the boss' as well.

-- Marc Lanston: EVERYONE grossly miscalculated the situation. Your right, however Bush will never be able to redeem himself to you; nor will Clinton ever be able to redeem himself from being an impeached president.

-- Andi Rauscher: Since Bush WON both elections, in your opinion.. Has there ever been a reason NOT to criticize Bush?

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

Universe, I don't know what your post implies, but as was pointed out, whether one is democrat or republican, don't you think the blame needs to be speared right towards the New Orleans politicians instead of the federal government? New Orleans' branch of the Corps of Engineers WAS given TONS of money to make improvements on levees. Did that mayor use that money to improve the levee protection for that city? NO!!!!!!

Farmers_Daughter 12 years, 8 months ago

Just for the record, Bush issued the disaster declarations for Louisiana and Mississippi on the Saturday BEFORE the hurricane hit; and FEMA director Brown was in Baton Rouge with Gov. Blanco by 11am Monday 8/29. At that time the storm was just passing, looting was already beginning and help was "on the way". Supposedly (as reported then) FEMA was already in the NO area and massed in Baton Rouge by the weekend. Blanco was asking for help on Sunday before the storm ended, begging on Tuesday (but unable to contact Bush) and by Wednesday holding onto promises of aid by the Red Cross, FEMA, and the federal govt.

Notably, the Red Cross was first on the scene, with almost a 1000 workers in Louisiana by Monday evening. They were also first to warn of the disasters scope and extensive needs. (Archives by date, right column)

myidea 12 years, 8 months ago

Universe. . . party lines don't matter at this point

The fact that Bush "WON" both elections is irrelevant here. . .he won and he's not doing his job adequately. . . there are always reasons to critizize ANY president, Democrat or Republican, but Bush is just throwing fuel on that fire for the poor way he is handling this situation.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

Sleestaks sound an awful lot like my first wife....That was a honeymoon from Hell...

Fishman 12 years, 8 months ago

Well said "Whosaid". It's over, it's done with, lets get it fixed as best we can. This debate reminds me of the people that think they know better how to call the plays of the Kansas City Chiefs better than the coach! LOL Get a grip. There's more to this story than any of us will ever know. In a mess this big, if everything was done right, it would be a huge miracle. It is what it is, a catastrophe that this country has never seen before. Hopefully, it doesn't end up being practice for an even bigger one from our friends in Al Qaida. I did notice that Kuwait donated $500,000,000.00 to the cleanup etc. Look on the list, and you'll find out who our friends are. Granted, some countries can't afford to donate, but those that can, and didn't shame on them.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

As usual, Kevin, you are busy clouding this issue with irrelevancies. Hart and Rudman are completely irrelevant. Bush wanted the job as president, and it was his job to create the Dept of Homeland Security, and he appointed all those who have done such a miserable an incompetent job (following in his example, obviously.)

And cut the constitutional restraint crap. Bush had all the authority he needed to intervene in a timely way, and instead he diddled around with photo-ops and putting off the end to his five-week vacation.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

It's a shame that the richest nation on the planet could take lessons from Cuba on how to deal with hurricane preparedness and disaster relief.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 8 months ago

bush has succeeded in at least a couple of things in all this. he's made us a laughing stock in front of most of the world. we can go into other countries and tell them how to treat their people and then look what we for our own! he has probably set back race relations a good 30 years. and once again he has even further divided this nation. bush cares about people-sure-as long as they are oil men-bankers-ceo's or tv preachers.

LesterBurnham 12 years, 8 months ago

In response to whosaid:

Yes, I will say it again... This is relatively low loss of life, considering the type of disaster that happened. The people effected had a timely warning and most of them evacuated, it could have been far worse. All the planning in the world cannot prevent deaths from natural disasters.

Yes its probably that more people died from this hurricane than from 9-11. It also killed more people than the OKC bombing and Pearl Harbor.

Of course these events are not related and a comparison is pointless. Natural disasters are a part of the earth's equilibrium and people cannot prevent them. Terrorist attacks and wars are instigated by people and influenced entirely by our country's policies and actions. Thus, a federal responce to attacks and wars is worthwhile and useful to prevent future loss of life in this country. Federal responce to hurricane's can't prevent future hurricanes or stop people from building in hurricane damage prone areas.

Manson 12 years, 8 months ago

I wonder why all those people didn't leave when advised to do so.

I wonder why the Mayor and govenor didnt use the city's mass transit system to evacuate people that "couldn't" do it themselves.

I wonder why people feel President Bush is at fault when he started the relief efforts the Saturday before the hurricane hit.

I wonder why people that decided to stay want help now and expect it to come on their terms.

I wonder when this nation will support personal accountability.

The people that need rescue deserve it but it is going to come as fast as it possibly can. You think the politicians have anything to gain by delaying the process?

The President did what he could he did the proper thing by allocating federal resources. He cannot control the difficulty the hurricane has created for rescue efforts. What the federal government did do was WARN the people. The death toll rests on the Mayor, Govenor, and the people that took the chance and gambled and lost.

Universe 12 years, 8 months ago

myidea: Hmm, well I think if my statement(s) were soo irrelevant I suppose spouting off about 'big oil/Haliburton or tax cuts" were right on target? lol

hottruckinmama: If Bush has made America nothing more than a laughing stock why the hell do we have a border control? lol Oh, and I think I'd want intervention from another country if my 'dictator' was killing thousands of his own people. Guess what? SO WOULD YOU.. Oh here's another tid bit; Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson has done the setting back of race relations because (and hold on to your hat) THEY'RE RACISTS! Lastly, if Bush 'only' cared about oil why haven't we 'stolen' oil from Kuwait when senior went in? Hmm??? Why won't you liberals allow us to 'disturb' a friggen birds-nest in Alaska so we can stop paying over $3.00 per gallen?! Hmm???

myidea: Ya those comments are irrelevant too huh. :)

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

Its the butterfly effect...

Bill Clinton gets a hummer and it causes a tsunami and a hurricane.

Thats what happens when you mess with oral sex!

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

Did you know that Bill Clinton pulled out his wang at least 40 times without seeking congressional approval?

We should retroactively impeach him dontcha think?

As far as Bush and this disasterous disaster goes, I think that all levels of the gov't failed. To blame one person makes you look like an ass! But I will say that it seems the situation was not handled with the gravity that I expected. Nor the response time.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

Just keep hammerin those talkin' points, Kevin, just keep ignoring anything that contradicts the party line, and someday, maybe someday soon, the popular kids wlll let you sit at the table with them at lunch.

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

I think all acts of atrocity can be directly correlated to Slick Willy and his little Willy....

I think someone should've told Monica that by giving Bill "oral pleasure" she was letting the terrorists win.

enochville 12 years, 8 months ago

On the evening of 9/11, a group of US senators and representatives gathered on the shadowed steps of the Capitol building and sang "God bless America". I saw it live. It moved me powerfully. I would like to see it again. Does anyone know where I could find a copy of that footage? I can find articles about it on the internet, but no footage.

mr_daniels 12 years, 8 months ago

Excellent job Mr. President...Keep up the good work Sir!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

Good to see that you're above being above it all, one more bob.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

I just read on this website Lawrence will not host any of the evacuees. The Emergency Prep. Administrator of our county made this announcement. Any ideas why Lawrence could not host some of the victims?

craigers 12 years, 8 months ago

That is awesome Carmenilla! Hummers cause natural disasters!! If we only knew before.

Post number 115. We are half way there.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

Do you think, OB, & others, that the homeless situation already out of control here would have damaged us further because of some victims of Katrina coming here? Thanks, OB.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, please keep MONICA out of this! The situation's bad as it is without her.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 8 months ago

omg! arminius! you've got to be kidding me! lol! bill clinton getting bj's let the terrorists win! i don't care if the man was doing the shake and bake with interns under his desk in the oval office. i know this. my life and most people in my income range, our life was a lot better off when clinton was in office.

ms_canada 12 years, 8 months ago

Greetings all from beautiful Rossland, B.C. Home of the goldmine and a skiers paradise. e_m - thagomizer :o) :o) cool, e_m. Are you a Far Side fan? No, I did not know what a thagomizer is. Thanks for the info. To answer the question - I am appalled by his reaction. You know it has been said that it is not a persons actions that give them away as much as their reactions. Speaks volumes, it does. Anyway, I am having a wee holiday and visiting my good friends and using her computer, bye bye now. everyone have a nice day.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

OMB, I thought it was the owner's obligation to neuter all sleestaks at 7 months of age. Who is to blame for this atrocity? We cannot have a growing populous of sleestaks! Tell your neighbor he could create an infestation. SHAME!!!!

Ban sleestaks!

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

Look, everyone, I know we ALL or a majority of us want to blame the current President or his predecessor. Whatever party line you or I tow, does that matter MORE than TRYING to get assistance to the victims of this horrendous hurricane & the aftermath? I hope to God that is not so.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 12 years, 8 months ago

A safer country? The topic of this thread is how badly Bush dropped the ball in a security issue much greater than 9-11 was. (Can you please tell us again and again and again about the governor and the mayor, and about how Bush is just defending the consititution by letting people die by the thousands?)

I'd much rather have the president in the white house getting the occasional five-minute hummer than one who's on perpetual vacation.

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

I wasn't being baited so much as doing the baiting, TOB.

Some guys need to take a break from the keyboard and "release" some of that tension. I thought maybe all my "Bill Clinton and his little commander" talk would get ol' Armenius going. He has a bit of the Ken Starr in him, dontcha think?

heretoday 12 years, 8 months ago

Of course people blame George W. Bush for some of the terrible mess that followed Hurricane Katrina. I do admit that the federal government should have moved faster in the wake of the storm, and the president, in the early days of the hurricane, should have treated it like it was a big deal instead of continuing his working vacation in Crawford, Texas. However, Katrina really was a perfect storm in that she struck a city that was extremely vulnerable to flooding, a city with high levels in crime, drug, and poverty issues. This city was rendered lawless causing a social breakdown, atrocities at the superdome , and a city (and state) government with a long and notorious tradition for incompetence!! All of the tragedy resulting from these things was compounded by a less than perfect response by FEMA!!! It's quite possible that by the time the disaster in New Orleans is over, Bush and his administration will share a portion of the blame. But some aspects of the tragedy were simply beyond control, and it's impossible to absolve local and state officials of responsibility for their role in managing the crisis.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 8 months ago

lol! how right you are carmenilla! lol! okay! shutting up now for awhile i promise!

ps: the main thing in all this is just give if you can afford to. even if its just $5 or $10 bucks it all helps i'm sure. okay shutting up for real now!

heretoday 12 years, 8 months ago

TRUE Arminius! No one said anything about Bush defending the constitution... I do not know what this guy is talking about. But that ofcourse is when certain people..:-) tend to blame and not lead. uhhum.. Truth be said: When you know that the city you lead is 1) below sea-level and built to withstand only a Category 3 storm and 2) is a very difficult place to evacuate based on past history and 3) is relying on what you yourself characterize as limited local resources to conduct such an operation, there is no excuse to wait until less than 24 hours to pull the trigger on ordering a mandatory evacuation when a Category 5 storm is bearing down on you!!!!

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

The Bush defenders are so disingenuous!!! Call NO and the state system ill prepared or whatever, the federal response was inexcusable! Clinton couldn't fart sideways without some conservative republican schmuck making noise about it. Take your pick of any of the MANY situations (intelligence sanfus, Iraq, oil prices, this hurricane crisis, etc.) where Bush could have responded better to or flat out handled incompetently, where even a franction of that level of error or incompetence present in the Clinton Administration, the right would have exploded in fury and anger!!!! And this isn't a man getting a BJ, these are thousands upon thousands of peoples' lives. Larry, you are blind! Flight schools gave the current rulers information about the direct intent of terrorist to attacks us using airplanes, but the information was ignored. Acting upon that information would have been truly meaningful, and you have the audacity to blame Bill Clinton. And Bush didn't finish OBL off in Afghanastan either! Some people truly suffer from rectal asphyxiation!!

Richard Heckler 12 years, 8 months ago

Are bus drivers expected to be like firemen,law enforcement and the National Guard who stick around for the worst of situations?

Who would drive the school bus in New Orleans during a heavy duty Hurricaine?

I wonder if maybe the school bus drivers were evacuating with their families?

What leveled a good portion of New Orleans...the hurricane or the tidal wave of water that burst through the levy?

It's the tidal wave of unexpected water from the levy break that created most of the death and destruction. The levy was not suppose to give way. How do you plan for massive quanities of water over and above "natural" flood levels?

It would be my speculative nature to guess that most who chose to stay had survived storms and hurricanes prior to Katrina...the break in the levy was the new equation.

heretoday 12 years, 8 months ago

Azzure, you are not funny just repulsive..let me add. Liberals love to blame President Bush for everything from terrorist attacks to hurricanes and everything in between (credit for economic growth and declining deficits are nowhere to be seen).It is reprehensible that some elected officials and citizens..uhhum..are looking to score political points in the wake of Hurricane Katrina's devastation. This is a tragedy, not an opportunity. It requires humanitarian action, not political gamesmanship. It requires congressional leadership and citizen volunteership, not finger-pointing. We've grown accustom to Democrats politicizing issue after issue from the War in Iraq, to healthcare and prescription drugs, to retirement security. And true, I can say it goes for Republicans too. But it is truly a sad day when, even at a time like this, some leaders appear incapable of putting aside politics and opportunism in order to help the tens of thousands of Americans who are left with nowhere else to turn but their government.

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

A few words, Democrats: Blame Bush now, & LOSE in '06.

heretoday 12 years, 8 months ago

This is getting ridiculous. Now left-wing extremist groups, in this case, are all but blaming John Roberts for the misery following Hurricane Katrina.

"The connection is obvious," [ advocacy director Ben] Brandzel said. "The images after Hurricane Katrina show we still live in a society where significant racial inequities exist. We believe John Roberts' record on civil rights ... is clearly not the direction our country needs to head now."

The connection, far from obvious, is actually non-existent. Did John Roberts guide the hurricane to a city with a large black population? This political opportunism is abhorrent.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

Azure_Attitude: Since you apparently have bin Laden's current address, would you please post it? I'll pass it on to a friend of mine at Fort Bragg. I'm sure the SF guys will appreciate it. Thanks!

Regarding the non-use of school busses in New Orleans: The use of the school district's busses was written into the city's evacuation plan. But Mayor Nagin decided that school busses weren't good enough. He complained that every Greyhound in the country should have been sent to his city to help with the evacuation. I'm sure the families of those who died needlessly will be touched by the fact that their mayor wanted the deceased to ride in greater comfort rather than in some raggedy old school bus.

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 8 months ago

heretoday...Economic Growth and Declining Deficits? Where? Exactly which country are you talking about?

rhd99 12 years, 8 months ago

That is how these MONGRELS do their jobs in the media, OB. To them it's ALL about money, & not the truth.

beatrice 12 years, 8 months ago

I think the people blaming former President Clinton clearly are not reaching far enough back into the last millennium in their attempt to distance the current disaster from the current administration. You can do better.

The fault for a slow response to Katrina is clearly President Thomas Jefferson's! That greedy expansionist was in over his head when he made the Louisiana Purchase, and now we are the ones paying for it! So put the blame where it belongs, but don't you dare question the actions of our real-life action hero, President Bush. If it weren't for Jefferson, this would be a problem for the French, and we all know the incompetence of the French.

Now pass me some Freedom Fries, s'il vous plait.

heretoday 12 years, 8 months ago

The downside is that there seems to be a great deal of finger pointing by the power mongers (on both sides of the aisle) and by the leftist controlled media (And it is a great shame that all of the true horrors are not being shown...but again that is another way that the media is a bureaucracy of it's own)at a time when many Americans are trying to pull this country together and help the hundreds of thousands of displaced Americans during their time of need. Our leaders need to focus on the ball, and stop playing the blame-game.

Then there is all the bellyaching from the hard-left Celiberals, like Pierce Brosnan, Oprah Winfrey and others, bemoaning that the administration did not act fast enough, and has been irresponsible in its efforts to deliver needed aid, ignoring the fact that federal assistance was initially turned down by the governor of Louisiana, and that the hard assets (205 school buses left unused) were in place to evacuate most, if not all of the residents of New Orleans prior to the hurricane striking the region, yet it was not done.

There were mistakes made up and down the chain of command, failures throughout, yet the leftist elites focus only on the shortcomings of FEMA and the Bush administration, while the right-wing focuses more on the failings government leaders at the local and state level.

There are calls for a bipartisan investigation into the breakdown in rescue efforts, and so long as this is performed in a bipartisan fashion, where the objective is to improve our system, rather than to politicize the failures, point fingers, or otherwise seek out political gains, I am all for it. I fear it will turn into a three-ring circus where the best interests of the American people are not kept in mind.

America suffers some form of natural disaster nearly every year, from hurricanes along the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard, to tornadoes in the mid-West, forest fires ravaging out of the control, and earthquakes in California. I do not recall ever hearing such vile rhetoric being slung about so freely as it is with Hurricane Katrina.

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

How you extrapolate that I am a terriorist sympathizer out of my comments is amazing!!! Porter Goss is the one with the excellent idea of where he is, not me. Maybe he should have the Ft. Bragg dudes go get him? Isn't that a novel idea!?!

massst 12 years, 8 months ago


beatrice 12 years, 8 months ago

ht: "the leftist controlled media" you say. You are kidding, correct?

To counter your silly label, let us take a brief look at billionare Rupert Murdoch. From a recent article on him: "He publishes 175 newspapers, including the New York Post and The Times of London. In the U.S., he owns the Twentieth Century Fox Studio, Fox Network, and 35 TV stations that reach more than 40% of the country...His cable channels include fast-growing Fox News, and 19 regional sports channels. In all, as many as one in five American homes at any given time will be tuned into a show News Corp. either produced or delivered."

So how does a right wing billionaire who has such control over American and international news sources translate into "leftist controlled media"? Care to back your statement with some facts?

The truth is, mass-market media outlets are run by the rich, and the rich are predominantly conservative. It is just that simple.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 12 years, 8 months ago

As far as I know, the Governor of the state can activate his/her National Guard units. I don't believe the Louisiana Governor did this until a while after the storm. Given that New Orleans has always had sort of this "will this be the storm that does it in" aura, she should have had them on stand-by before the storm hit.

Second, the Federal Government does not traditionally take an active role in storm clean-up. (FEMA aside) Only recently, with the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security, (a Bush creation!) has the bulk of the workload fallen on the Federal Government.

Of course the residents of Lawrence are going to blame the President. You all love to blame him for everything. If there is some possible way that you might be able to relate negativity to him, you'll do it. You've got your democratic blinders on.

jonas 12 years, 8 months ago


heretoday: In response to your earlier post about people using katrina to dig out their shoulder-chips again, I would have to say, after some years of observation, that the one major constant after any newsworthy event or catastrophe is to watch the vultures jostling for position, be it righties pushing agendas, loaded associations, people pointing fingers or opportunists taking advantage.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

TOB, I've also been wondering about the "lack" of photos concerning Katrina. We see the same ones over and over and yet they don't really convey ALL that people are dealing with down there. Why the photo censorship THIS time? I wonder if we (USA) are trying to "cover our failings" from other countries in an attempt to not appear mortal?

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

Wow-- This is great-- Such an enlightening and thought-provoking which we have managed to indict all the truly negligible from Mayor to the Governor to FEMA to the President to FORMER presidents and INTERNS and I think the Snail Darter, Henry Clay and a draft pick to be named later... Meanwhile, bodies of our fellow Americans float in the Gulf Coast while family members wait to know whether or not the dead are theirs to mourn. I do love me some effective governance...

avhjmlk 12 years, 8 months ago

If you want to see photos, go to (the Times-Picayune website). They have TONS of photos up--several galleries per day, and most are pictures I never saw anywhere else...

avhjmlk 12 years, 8 months ago

Whoops. Forgot to direct that last post to sunflower_sue, who wanted to know about pictures.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

one of the best photos from Katrina (and one I'll never forget) was of a young man (a boy, really) who had managed to take a school bus, filled it with as many people as he could, and drove it to TX. A boy did that! Brought tears to my eyes!

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

There can be a special session of congress convened in a day, usurping matters determined by a state court, for the benefit of ONE individual in a persistent vegitative state and that's OK. But now what the state or city did or should have done before the feds got involved is the defense of bad judgment. That is hypocracy to the max. Please stick to one side of the agenda and and not pick which side of it you want to be on when is suits you.

myidea 12 years, 8 months ago

Universal: The point is that Bush didn't make the decision immediately to help the people in need. HE WAS ON A FIVE WEEK VACATION (longer, mind you, than any vacation in presidential history). All the other malarky you're babbling about IS irrelavant. PERIOD.

daddax98 12 years, 8 months ago

The evacuees are better off now, according to Barbara Bush. I couldn't believe that when I read it

daddax98 12 years, 8 months ago

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."

myidea 12 years, 8 months ago


I found this blog that you might find interesting, if not for the commentary for the photos.

A reporter in Mississippi's blog about Katrina.

BunE 12 years, 8 months ago

I think that Bill Clinton actually created this hurricane with his weather machine that he stole from the U.N. guy Boutros Boutros Gali.

This question should be put off a bit. It is clear that the whole response was, well, not-so-good. The President, the gov of Lousiana and the Mayor of New Orleans all came across as ineffectual and weak. Doesn't matter who messed up, its the perception. I don't care who failed, This was a mess.

shortstack 12 years, 8 months ago

is anyone wondering where all the money we're donating is going? you know its going to cost as much as everyone is giving just to drive down there with the gas prices as high as they are. once you get down there then what? have hep shots lately? they found e.coli you know. why don't you organize a clothing drive instead. or a necessities drive. i mean really. i like how nobody gives a crap about anyone else until its time to be a hero. oh my god! maybe the slow response was the governments way(ahem) of weeding out all the poor down there. less poor equals less welfare, eh? eh?

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

I think I'm getting the "terrorism leads to oral sex" theory you espouse... I could care less if Dubya was getting his knob polished in AF1 during the Gulf Coast overflight as long as he had an active plan to help where local, state and FEMA had failed...Did he?

BunE 12 years, 8 months ago



GW is the Pres. He gets lots of soldiers killed and goes on vacation.

To-wit: invading nations based on flimsy evidence leads to bike riding with Lance Armstrong. (GW hangs out with a lot of people accused of doing drugs, old habits I guess.)

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

Doin' my part to get to 200 today!!

So, Arminius, are we only supposed to go after Saudis when Bushes are not in office? All but one of the hijackers were Saudis, Bin Laden is a Suadi . . . and I wonder if that is the sovereign nation where he his hiding that is oh-so off limits according to Porter Goss . . . but, yeah, we can invade other soveriegn nations when it suits our purpose. As if getting the mastermind behind 9/11 is not a worthy endeavor.

If White House sexual relationships are so important, why don't you list them all? Just as you accuse others of the blame game with Bush, you are just as guilty of it where Clinton is concerned. The application of your logic is masterful.

Shane Garrett 12 years, 8 months ago

I sit here in Texas and read the logic behind the arguements. Now I know why in the south one spits when the name Jayhawker is pronounced. You all need to just sit in your drum circles and smoke that weed. Your world will be a better place. Mean While..... Texas a state of self-action will take in 1/4 million refugees. Our churches will serve a million or more meals. And our people will take survivers into our homes. People in Kansas just need to chill out. If the yellow dog democrates and free state republicans cannot discuss with a civil tounge, than perhaps the future of represenative democracy is truely in sorry state.

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

I'm not sure, from what I'm hearing, that Republicans have sex: I think they just sit almost naked next to eachother and think about unfunded mandates...

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

You can't see my logic for your own rhetoric. When Bin Laden and the Taliban were in Afghanastan we were totally justified for going there - they were not going to give OBL up or give the country back to the Afghanies were they? If we are not going to stop until we get all those nasty terrorists, which is what we were promised after 9/11, and we have "an excellent idea" of where the grandaddy of them all is now, why aren't we leaning HARD on those that are housing him? Weren't we going to attack those that either attacked us or harbor those that attacked us?
Now, let's go get that B!^@# Katrina!!

leto33 12 years, 8 months ago

Army Corps of Engineers and other emergency relief orgs that handle these situations had their budgets savagely cut in the past few years - the situation in LA MS, etc. has long been predicted to happen. Money to maintain infrastructure has been drastically cut too - their dam had needed repair for years! So that had a lot to do with what happened.

You know that certain elements in power right now believe in dismantling the government - they feel too many people rely on government services and that the people should be more self sufficient. What you saw with Katrina is the logical conclusion of such a philosophy - do you like it? All of us should work on reinstating those monies stripped from emergency services. Some rich people maybe won't get the tax break they are yearning for, but tough toenails, right?

MasterBlue 12 years, 8 months ago

oh my god! maybe the slow response was the governments way(ahem) of weeding out all the poor down there. less poor equals less welfare, eh? eh? -Shortstack

Yup, that must be it, alright. You've solved the mystery of the hour... genius

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

Gather the drum circle! I think e_m is channeling Bob Denver . . . it's a message . . . bobs kabobs are the bomb . . . It's good to know there is good eatin' in the after life!

Shane Garrett 12 years, 8 months ago

I see the democrates have a problem with the concept of the right of the state. The federal government is not a large cow. And yes, the concept of a limited government is not new.

The family of Saud, came to power on the religion of Wahab. One whom proclaimed that the people had fallen from the true spirit of Islam. The saudi state is the only middle eastern country to establish its own borders. Through a join or die religious war they conqured the holy cities. The saud family rules only with the blessing of this Wahabbi religion.

And since we have military bases in Saudi soil one could agrue that the U.S. has already conqured that country.

U.S. forces have never left any country where they have gone. Except for Vietnam. We still have bases world wide. I think it was Eisenhower in his farewell address that warned the U.S. about the military industrial complex being the basis of our economy.

One might have a better understanding of Islam if one were it educate themselves. Try the or read the book by Robert Spencer.

And let us all remember that 90% of the worlds wealth is held by 10% of the worlds population. Does the small amout of taxes paid by those whom earn less than 30.000 a year build the roads, the schools, the leeves? In a small way, yes. But, it is the wealth holders that pay the most to a Federal Government that is spending at an out of control rate. Just a few comments on the above. IMHO.

beatrice 12 years, 8 months ago

omb: "...All told, Kerry leads Bush 142 to 123 in endorsements, and when measured by circulation, 17.5 million to 11.5 million, Editor & Publisher says..."

In your quote of what I believe to be a small number of overall newspapers (but I don't honestly know), the numbers show a slight leaning for Kerry. A difference of just 19 outlets out of a total 265 cited hardly backs up the whole "leftist media" line. If the media was soooo leftist, wouldn't you be hard pressed to find any -- other than Fox News outlets, of course -- to have backed Bush?

Arminus: I didn't say Murdoch represented all media. I pointed out that his news empire has a wide and far reach, and it represents a substantial portion of the media pie. And he is a self-proclaimed rightest (righty? right-wing wacko, conservative nut-job? How would you put it if he were liberal in his leanings?).

Now, if you want to pick on something stupid, you should question your belief in slogans -- "Fox News is fair and balanced." Sure it is. That must explain why they continously run sensationalized stories like the one of the missing white girl in Aruba in which they are literally counting the days of her disappearance, rather than confront actual issues that concern all of us, such as the out of control deficit or the growing discontent with the war in Iraq. Does Fox News spend equal time on, lets say, providing a daily count on the missing terrorist in Afghanistan? Do they have a "Where's Osama bin Hiddin', day 1457" count going?

I didn't think so.

Finally, e_m: things have been quite racy today in some posts (that naughty, naughty Clinton), and yet no ejections. Mr. D.R. must have a day off.

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

It's not that we don't understand state's rights, it that we get supremely annoyed when those that promote that philosophy abandon it when it suits their agenda. The current administration will ignore states rights when they see fit. One example: California voters decided on their own about medical marijuana and were fine without the JD's interfererence. People of color, I am sure, appreciated the federal intervension to further their civil liberties and end segreagation - of the institutional variety. The folks in NO and surrounding areas would have appreciated the federal intervention. It was obvious to everyone outside of the administration that these folks could not handle what they got and needed help.

You can try to argue that we have conquered a country merely because we have a base installed there, but it is an extraordinarily weak argument. We are nothing more than guests, hardly victors. Perhap we conquered their hearts enough to tolerate our presence, but that's about it.

Are we at 200 yet? I'm on a mission

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

Wally the walrus, what a bunch of hookeypoo babble. Blah blah blah..........

My KS hubby is out donating his KS blood right this very minute. And lets see, you said you were just sitting there in TX? Maybe you'd better join the likes of your fellow Texan, One More Bob, and get up and DO something worthy. If you HAVE done something, feel free to let us know.

Koo Koo Kachoo, Apeman!

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

Woohoo! I was 200!! Hey, Bea, I think you're right about DR having the day off. Though I have seen worse, my first post was a bit harsh and I thought I may get yanked. Alas, I am spent! Slings, arrows and sick child have zapped my energy for the day. Happy debating all!!

italianprincess 12 years, 8 months ago


Did I not say that this question would make people in here yell and bark at eachother. Its sad how what happened in the South is now the blame game.

The benefit is going smoothly and things are underway here day by day. We now have a copy company here in Lawrence who has donated 5000 flyers for us to pass around. They are even going to make posters if needed.

The bands are emailing slowly, but falling into place. I just wish that they would fall a little faster.

We have decided to include a bake sale, a raffle and more games for the kiddies to play also. This benefit seems to grow and grow daily.

With more and more merchants here in Lawrence stepping up now this should be an amazing benefit for all to enjoy.

I want to thank " Farmers Daughter " for helping me so much with phone calls, and city buisness. I also want to thank all of those who have joined us in this effort. With all of your help and caring this will be a fantastic day.

" We as Americans need to set aside our differences for now and help other fellow Americans who need us right now ".

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

Two hundred posts...and counting. Whoda thunk it?

BunE: Hey! how've you been? I don't think we've managed to be on the board on the same day for a while. Hope your summer's winding down well. // I've been thinking about the meaning of your remark about GW and Lance. Then it occurred to me that having a president who hangs out with someone merely accused of using drugs (by the French, no less!) is actually kind of a step up from having a president that admits to having used drugs. Just thought I'd put my own spin on your remark! ;)

myidea 12 years, 8 months ago

Allright, I was gonna continue the debate, as I was all fired up earlier about previous comments. However, I'm tired now and my thoughts are melting together. So. . .happy posting.

linux_chick 12 years, 8 months ago

wow... this board is nuts :)

Must be some kind of record.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

Azure_ Attitude: I was reading backwards through the posts, trying to catch up with all the fun for the day. I agree with you 100% that the Calif. medical marijuana law should have been left alone. That is consistent with a robust view of states' rights. This is one of the points where I disagree sharply with the current administration. // I hope your child feels better soon. My two had a bout of something recently here, so as a parent I empathize with you tremendously.

beatrice 12 years, 8 months ago

omb: We don't need to be in Mexico. After that war, we just took half the country. So, in essence, we do still have bases there. : )

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

Armenius is merely a Kenneth Starr operative posing in women's panties.....

oops, it slipped out.

I just can't help myself really. That Bill Clinton brings out the wanton hussy troublemaker in me.

Well, I'm off for vacation!

So long posters, and lurkers and trolls (oh my)...and I hope the benefit goes well, IP and S_S. Sad I'll have to miss it.

Grundoon Luna 12 years, 8 months ago

Cool, Fanghorn, we again find some common ground! Thanks for the well wishes for my son! After some napping and hydrating he seems to be bouncing back. Now he's back to sleep and I can't so I'm surfing for that breaking news . . .

italianprincess 12 years, 8 months ago

Good night everyone, time to clear your heads from today's question here.

Maybe tomorrows question will be an enlightning one and cause less friction.

Sleep well..........

kansaskev61 12 years, 8 months ago

In case you aren't familiar with how our government is SUPPOSED to work: The chain of responsiblity for the protection of the citizens in New Orleans is:1. The Mayor 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security (a political appointee of the Governor who reports to the Governor) 3. The Governor 4. The Head of Homeland Security 5. The President What did each do? 1. The mayor, with 5 days advance, waited until 2 days before he announced a mandatory evacuation (at the behest of the President). The he failed to provide transportation for those without transport even though he had hundreds of buses at his disposal. 2. The New Orleans director of Homeland Security failed to have any plan for a contingency that has been talked about for 50 years. Then he blames the Feds for not doing what he should have done. (So much for political appointees) 3. The Governor, despite a declaration of disaster by the President 2 DAYS BEFORE the storm hit, failed to take advantage of the offer of Federal troops and aid. Until 2 DAYS AFTER the storm hit. 4. The Director of Homeland Security positioned assets in the area to be ready when the Governor called for them

  1. The President urged a mandatory evacuation, and even declared a disaster State of Emergency, freeing up millions of dollars of federal assistance, should the Governor decide to use it. Oh and by the way, the levees that broke were the responsibility of the local landowners and the local levee board to maintain, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The disaster in New Orleans is what you get after decades of corrupt (democrat) government going all the way back to Huey Long. Funds for disaster protection and relief have been flowing into this city for decades, and where has it gone, but into the pockets of the politicos and their friends. Decades of socialist government in New Orleans has sapped all self reliance from the community, and made them dependent upon government for every little thing. Political correctness and a lack of will to fight crime have created the single most corrupt police force in the country, and has permitted gang violence to flourish. The sad thing is that there are many poor folks who have suffered and died needlessly because those that they voted into office failed them.

prattres 12 years, 8 months ago

A friend at work pointed out the reason help was not rushed in.. the people affected were mostly poor, and lets face it black..... unfortunately these days poor people and poor black people are not known 1. to vote 2. and most important if they did vote are not likely to be Republicans, so what possible worth could they be to the Bush machine. Oh for the good old days..Bill may have been busy in the janitors closet being naughty with an intern but had he been president the last few years we would be in a lot better place to help our citizens.. ALL of them not just special interest groups!!!! Besides Bush was occupied counting the millions coming into his croinies from gas gouging and didnt want to get dirty. What ever happened to moral, socially concious people like (I never thought I would say this) Jimmy Carter.. At least there is (uh oh I'm going to do it again) Oprah.. God that hurt but is true. =>

myidea 12 years, 8 months ago

Not that anyone's going to look at this b/c it's a week old, but today's NY Times headline:

President Says He's Responsible in Storm Lapses

WASHINGTON, Sept. 13 - President Bush said on Tuesday that he bore responsibility for any failures of the federal government in its response to Hurricane Katrina and suggested that he was unsure whether the country was adequately prepared for another catastrophic storm or terrorist attack.

Could it get any more clear than this?

yourworstnightmare 12 years, 8 months ago

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