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Do you think the number of commuters coming to Lawrence for work balances out those going from Lawrence to work?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on October 22, 2005

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Photo of Brian Barbee

“I think there are a lot more people commuting to larger cities. I think it’s really very lopsided.”

Photo of Ruth Korsten

“I’ve always thought that it’s always been about equal. I have a lot of friends that commute both ways.”

Photo of Patrick Moodie

“No way. Lawrence is more of a community to live in than it is to work in. I think the ratio is probably 70/30.”

Photo of Libby Erickson

“Oh, gosh no. There aren’t enough jobs that pay enough to keep people working in Lawrence. They will just go to a bigger city - like I do.”

Comments

Jclarkson 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree with Libby. As much as I'd like to work in Lawrence, there aren't enough good paying jobs to keep people here.

(Oh, second post!)

bankboy119 9 years, 7 months ago

Nobody commutes to work in Lawrence...why would they? There definitely aren't jobs that pay like the bigger cities do.

ku_law 9 years, 7 months ago

If is funny that they asked this question today b/c I was just wondering to myself last night if the number of commuters coming to Lawrence for work balances out those going from Lawrence to work....

I thought about it some more and came up with the same conclusion today that I did yesterday: I don't really care.

lunacydetector 9 years, 7 months ago

from what i've read, studies overwhelmingly show that the outflow is significantly greater than inflow. i think most commuters coming to lawrence are going to KU.

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Hannibal--"Bring back the crusades!"

What exactly do you mean by that comment and how it relates to the cnn.com article?

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

There are definitely more commuters going out than coming in. K-10 is always busy around 6:30-8 in the morning going eastbound. Yet westbound is relatively light on traffic. But I agree with some of the comments, there are not enough jobs to make people commute here. That's why people are commuting out, jobs are outside Lawrence.

Purell 9 years, 7 months ago

What a waste of space, both in the paper and online. Who the h3ll cares!

Has LJW turned this column over to a committee of seven-year-olds? Surely, they aren't paying someone to do this?

How about putting the energy to something productive, like removing the roundabouts?

Everyday I see a new idiotic traffic obstacle. I can't believe it.

God forbid there is every a nuclear attack on the US, but if there is, I hope it is in Lawrence. At least the cummulative IQ of the US will rise.

thunderbuns 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree with Jclarkson. He was the first post. WOOOOO.

l_eustacy 9 years, 7 months ago

I just decided to take a break from my basement lab and read the online postings. Explosives are so expensive lately. I do have some great ideas about the roundabouts. Maybe I won't share all of them here. Remember kids, Halloween is coming up and no one knows who's behind the mask.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 7 months ago

Everyone go out and support IP in Southpark. Yeah, it's cold and gloomy, but get out there anyway! I bought a great polish sausage and got my kid's face painted. A band was playing. They have beer, Pizza, BBQ, Chinese, Icecream, bakesale.....GO, GO, GO! Get 'er done!

Ceallach 9 years, 7 months ago

Definitely more outgoing commuters. Major areas in Lawrence have become "bedroom" communities for those sick of big city life. Unfortunately, upon arriving they seem determined to "bigcityfy" Lawrence. [New word but I kind of like it :]

btw, did you check out the write up for IP's fundraiser?

italianprincess 9 years, 7 months ago

The benefit went fine. We got rained out of course and had to shut down at 3. The last 3 bands couldn't play but said they would come back to the next one.

We had a great turn out for hte pantries and raised some money. Not to many people drinking beer because of the weather. All in all it was an okay day.

We are sticking around though to help the ones who may need help next. Thanks for all your support.

Ceallach 9 years, 7 months ago

IP: Sorry about the rain out! I don't think we got that much rain in South Lawrence. btw, did you receive the messages I sent you through the ljw poster contact option?

Richard Heckler 9 years, 7 months ago

Italian Princess...Thanks for being on the planet. Folks down south will need more help according to the stories below.

Report: Post-Katrina Reconstruction Slow, Ineffective The Bush administration's approach to post-Katrina reconstruction has been slow, ineffective, and partly influenced by major conservative opposition to aid spending. This according to the Los Angeles Times. Of the three major proposals outlined in President Bush's prime-time speech from New Orleans in September, only one has been put before Congress. The lone proposal to reach the floor -- $5,000 dollar accounts for unemployed workers - would only provide aid for fewer than a quarter of those left jobless by the disaster, the paper says. The slow pace is drawing the ire of even some Congressional Republicans. Republican Senator Judd Gregg said the Bush administration's approach risks: "confusion, inefficiency and huge bureaucratic frustration." Gregg co-sponsored a bill along with Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy for the creation of a cabinet-level Gulf Coast-recovery agency. The White House rejected the proposal.

Influential Congressional Republican Group Opposed Aid Spending In his September 15th address, Bush promised "one of the largest reconstruction efforts the world has ever seen." But as of last Wednesday, the Los Angeles Times reports the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) had obligated only $15 billion out of $60 billion in available emergency funds. Meanwhile, administration officials are preparing another emergency spending bill for $20 billion dollars, much of it for rebuilding military bases and a NASA facility. The Times reports the administration's inaction is at least partly shaped by pressure from powerful Republicans. The committee's chairman, Republican congressman Mike Pence told the Times QUOTE: "We saw the White House engaging in an aggressive, multifront drive to rebuild the Gulf Coast, and we thought we ought to bring up the small matter of the bill." Last month, the committee circulated a list of proposals for Katrina recovery that included providing vouchers for private schools and making affected areas a "flat-tax free enterprise zone."

l_eustacy 9 years, 7 months ago

blah blah blah...another cut & paste from a liberal website (Democracy Now)

real balanced and credible (cough choke)

killjoy 9 years, 7 months ago

You all are pretty rough on b_asinbeer. Give him a break. You wouldn't want him to take hostages. (just kidding)

He's not a skilled debater, but maybe you could teach him how to be better. He has to want to improve though.

Bet he's not really Muslim. He doesn't seem to know much about the "religion".

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Hannibal--

You are very uneducated at best if you think the "Muslim attitude" is kill all non-Muslims. I suggest you read the Quran before you open your big mouth. Have you had a chance the read that by the way? Do you know what Allah/God says about other religions? Do you know what He says about treating everyone with respect? Obviously you don't judging from your very ignorant comment.

So next time you plan on "bringing back the crusades", I suggest you know more about the group you are accusing and rely less on what cnn, foxnews, and other news channels tell you.

I fear for the future of this country if there are people like you who think like you do....seriously. Talk to me when you become more educated...and THEN make comments as you wish.

killjoy 9 years, 7 months ago

b_asinbeer,

You must be proud of this:

Iran's new president has repeated a remark from a former ayatollah that Israel should be "wiped out from the map," insisting that a new series of attacks will destroy the Jewish state, and lashing out at Muslim countries and leaders that acknowledge Israel.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/index.html

non-violent, right

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Hannibal--

If you think that Christians are doing a good job (or even a better one at that) of curbing their own extremists, you are even more naive then I thought.

Purell 9 years, 7 months ago

Holy Cow,

This discussion is still active? What's up with the old topics?

I'd have to say that Hannibal has the correct argument. ( I can't think of any Muslims being kidnapped or beheaded by Christians or Christian homicide bombers)

Why don't you guys give it a rest.

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Muslims don't live in fear of christian countries? Do you remember a little thing called 9/11? Yeah, that's when hate crimes against muslims shot up in the US. I guess you forget things when they don't happen to you. Ever have your life threatened by someone for something you were not responsible for? Ever been beaten up because you look like a certain group here in America? I didn't think so.

As for the Pat Robertson example, please....if you have curbed him, why does the old hick still have his tv show? Explain to me how muslims don't live in fear in America when Pat Robertson calls Muslims worse than the Nazis (a group which slaughtered 6 million innocent Jews)? Are you telling me that's some good old TLC?

Explain to me Eric Rudolph, a christian, who carried out the bombings in Atlanta at the Olympics? What about the people who stake out at abortion clinics waiting to shoot doctors? Are they being stopped. No.

I don't want to argue with an ignorant being like you. I originally took offense because you are presuming that the whole muslim mentality and population hates non-muslims (if you don't believe me, look at your previous posts). That's where I believe your childishness and naive train of thought is wrong.

You are putting the blame on 99.999% of the population for the wrong-doings of 0.001% or even less of the extremists. The reason I explained the Koran is that if you had read it (which I know you didn't), you'd see that it prohibits aggression, something that almost all muslims believe, except for a few extremists.

If you truly believe that Islam is a religion of terror, may God help you and others who think like you do.

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Hannibal--

You're a funny guy. I can't prove my credentials to you since I don't know you and you don't know me. Whatever I'll say, you'll assume a lie. So, assume whatever you want.

Now, you say that my arguments don't make any sense. I contend that you don't make any sense. Why do you keep on contending that all muslims are bad? I challenge you to back that up. I believe that most of the people in this world are good and have good intentions. Only a small percentage do not fit into this category. Yet, you are claiming that muslims have no good intentions ("I'm tired of the Muslim (Kill all non-Muslims) attitude"). It's that type of attitude that will get us nowhere.

You are making arguments, but are not backing it up. Please provide evidence that Muslim culture is "very anti-christian." Muslim culture abides by the Koran. The Koran preaches tolerance. (Hmmm...I'm sure you would've known that had you read the Koran) And since you have not read it, do not tell us what Muslims do or don't believe. I don't make claims about other religions very often because I don't know a lot about them. Yet you are talking about it like you have authority....very amusing. :o)

And here's my guess since you brought out the personal-attack card....You're a redneck, right-wing extreme republican. Judging from your arguments that sound very FoxNews-like, I take that the latter part of the presumption is correct.

So, like I said in the previous post (and since you have not refuted it, I'm assuming you agree with me), next time you come out badgering more than a billion citizens of the world, have a solid background before you start a "crusade" against another population.

I am challenging you to go to the Mosque here in Lawrence to learn more about Muslims before you make any more blind allegations. Here's the address in case you don't know where it is:

Islamic Center of Lawrence 1917 Naismith Drive Lawrence, KS

Tell me how it goes. Have a great day!

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Believe whatever you want to believe about me. Besides, in Islam, your faith is between you and God Himself. According to the Koran, you don't have to prove your faith in God to others, but only to God Himself, and that is enough. The non-believers will stay non-believers, and that is their fate. So I couldn't care less whether or not you think I'm a christian, buddhist, jew, or a muslim.

The point is that you have a very narrow view of the world and the religions that surround you. That's why I forwarded you and asked you to visit the Lawrence Islamic Center. But since you have not accepted that invitation, I have to presume you know very little about Islam, and thus you need to keep your mouth shut about things you don't know about.

Why don't you go to the Mosque and see for yourself if I know a soul there. While you're at it, tell everyone there (Including Allah Himself) that all Muslims are evil. I'm sure He'll appreciate your humor.

Since I see now that you have a thick skull, I see no point in arguing with you any further.

Like I said before, I fear for people who think like you do. But, if you feel like taking a walk on the wild side and visiting the Islamic Center, we'll argue a little further. If you refuse, I'll know that you have conceded you know nothing about Islam, since you have not provided any tiny inkling of evidence that you do know the religion.

"It has everything to do with Muslims getting their act together and saying, "killing people is wrong"." I could say the same for other religions, but then I'd be stooping as low as you since I know very little of other religions. :o)

Must be bad walking in your shoes knowing that the old noggin has very little knowledge of other cultures, don't it? ;o)

1derer 9 years, 7 months ago

My guess is that he/she is a current or former high school debater.

I'm 1dering, would a muslim ever use beer as a user name?

b_asinbeer: learn more about Islam.

b_asinbeer 9 years, 7 months ago

Hannibal,

I am a muslim and proud of it. I did not say so to you because I had a hunch you wouldn't believe it. I have defended Islam to the best of my ability, but since you refuse to learn about the Islam by going to the mosque and reading the Koran, I am presuming that you know absolutely nothing about Muslims.

And yes, I read the Koran and go to the Mosque whenever I can. How can you possibly attack a group when you have not proven that you know something about Islam.

Next time you wanna actually try to make some sense, know the opposing group. Yet, you still make claims like you know what you are talking about.

So, if you're done with the childish name-calling, learn about Islam, then make your arguments. Since you have not proven so, I suggest you keep your trap shut. Talking to you is exhausting

l_eustacy 9 years, 7 months ago

b_asinbeer,

Tell us about the moniker b_asinbeer, is that consistent with Islam?

You got schooled by Hannibal. You aren't in his league intellectually. Did you ever hear that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool...

Reread your posts. You're the only one who did "childish name calling". He's right about you sounding immature.

Pick your battles more carefully.

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