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Did you ever sneak into a bar or club when you were underage?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on October 3, 2005

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Photo of Zane Richards

“No. When I was 17, I was in the Army Reserves and we could still drink on post, so I didn’t have to sneak. I knew plenty of my friends who did, though.”

Photo of Marilyn Zwirek

“Yes. They weren’t so particular then about carding people. When it didn’t work, we just picked some up and went to somebody’s house.”

Photo of Samantha French

“Yes. I used a fake I.D., and it worked just fine.”

Photo of Brandon Wolmac

“Yeah, plenty of times. When I was 16, I did it about every day for a year. After a little while, they just let me walk right in.”

Comments

Jeff Goodrick 8 years, 11 months ago

Yes sir, I had a mustache at 16 and my buddy could grow a full beard at 15. We could go into any bar and only got checked at a couple in 1974.

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enochville 8 years, 11 months ago

No, I never had any desire to.

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GreenEyedBlues 8 years, 11 months ago

Heavens, no! The closest alcoholic beverage establishment within a ten mile radius was the VFW lodge. And I don't think they'd take too kindly to sissy-types in chinos crashing the scene. Besides, I doubt any of them knew how to mix a Cosmo.

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Jayhawk226 8 years, 11 months ago

I can honestly say....I never did.

I came to KU in '98 and had plenty of friends that would frequent the Hawk, but I never took that initiative to find a fake and use it.

Oh well, did I really miss out on the collegiate experience??????

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average 8 years, 11 months ago

Not sneak. But once at a concert at Liberty Hall, the ID guy just glossed over my 19-year-old driver's license (probably because of the facial hair) and put a wristband on me anyway. So I had a beer.

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bankboy119 8 years, 11 months ago

Yeah once when I was 15....my friend's sister was a stripper at the Flamingo and we were with her....didn't stay long though I didn't even know where we were at until I saw some girls dancing.

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legolas1996 8 years, 11 months ago

Brandon is full of it. No bar in their right mind would EVER let a minor go right in everday since they could have been stripped of their alcohol license. He just wants to look macho. I for one not only did not sneak in before I was 21, but I still dont drink now and I'm 28. There are many more things that are worthwhile than drinking. Its overrated anyways. What a life, drink your brains out, get drunk, kill brain cells, make a fool of yourself, throw up, have a horrible headache and hangover, do it all over again! Whoo hoo!!

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Topside 8 years, 11 months ago

Hell yes!! Good times, ill-gotten beer just tastes better. It was even easier when I was 20 and your dating a 26 year old(and later marry), she goes in first and they just never check you. I figure they either assume you are older or give you enough pimp cred for pullin down hot older ladies they just let you in.

"God bless you please Mrs. Robinson...."

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italianprincess 8 years, 11 months ago

I wasn't into clubbing until I turned about 21. So you can guess my answer.

Plans for the benefit concert are going so great. Our proposal for our beer garden goes before the city commission on Tuesday evening for a first reading. It has to be approved twice so we are hoping that on the 11th we have a yes answer.

Wish us luck as the 22nd draws closer and that the benefit concert is a huge success.

Laundry to fold then off to bed by three then back up again at 6:30 to start my day. I think I may have completely lost my mind with Halloween decor again.

Night everyone............

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gccs14r 8 years, 11 months ago

I had to wait until I was legal, when legal was 18. No one believed me even then. I got carded for booze and smokes well into my 30s.

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sharron5rs 8 years, 11 months ago

Oh yeah, The Yuk Down, here in Lawrence when I was 16. With no ID. We always went with someone who was of age. They went in first then we all followed. Never had a problem getting in anywhere until I became legal, then I was carded.

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ms_canada 8 years, 11 months ago

Of course I did. I didn't want to appear to be a shmuck. but I did not go often as I worked way out of the city of Vancouver, B.C. and worked most weekends (nurses training). It was just a silly thing to do to try to appear more grown up. Now, just the opposite, try to appear much younger. :o) Once when I was 24 and 7 mths. pregnant, I accompanied my husband into a beer parlor. I was asked for proof of age. I thought that was a big laugh. And no, I did not drink, I knew better.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 11 months ago

Started to drive across the river to KS when I was in high school. I never "sneaked" in though, I simply was never asked for an ID!!! Funny thing was, I wasn't there to drink. I just wanted to dance with all those good looking boys. To this day, I'm still not a beer drinker. (Still appreciate a good looking man, though!) I first got "carded" when I was about 25...and that was in a restaurant since my "clubbing days" were long gone.

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mightyquin 8 years, 11 months ago

I never snuck in either, I just was never carded. That was back in the day when 18 was legal and I was 16 and 17. After I turned 21 I started getting carded everywhere I went. Go figure.

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trinity 8 years, 11 months ago

oh heck yeah! i sent away $5 and some info to some outfit in california then was pleased as punch to receive a gen-u-ine fake kansas driver's license; i was 14 at the time! then a friend of mine&i would tell this guy who worked a pizza joint in our little town that it was our 18th birthdays-several times a year! we sure thought we were da bomb, having pizza and beer at 15, 16 yrs old. and our town also had a tavern that had-get this-a drive through! we drove(against age restrictions)thru, ordered our brew, and off we'd go. and this was a DRY county! of course it was the mid-70's, seems like about anything went back then. and nobody appeared concerned about losing a liquor license!

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enochville 8 years, 11 months ago

even_money wrote: "Not even curious?"

I assume that was for me. No, I wasn't even curious. I am not saying that I never did anything wrong; I have made plenty of mistakes, but drinking and smoking and bars have never appealed to me. My parents didn't do any of those things and neither did the adults at church that I knew well and were friends of the family. Some of my friends did, but I didn't do them with them so we slowly became more distant over time.

I enjoy great blessings in my life by keeping promises I've made to God to not drink or smoke or go to bars. I have his Spirit with me which gives me peace, comfort, guidance, and reveals truths to me. The witness I have received of the reality of the living Christ and the truthfulness of his gospel is priceless to me and worth any sacrifice. I hold the priesthood of God, and as I remain worthy, I am priviledged to be able to use it to bless my family members when are sick or worried, and to officiate in the ordinances of salvation for people I care about. The depth of the joy, gratitude, and love I feel when I perform those ordinances are impossible to describe to one who has not experienced them. People have a hard time imagining such joy. Another blessing from abstaining from alcohol and tobacco is that I was able to enter a temple of God and be married to my wife eternally by one who has the authority to seal on earth as well as heaven, not just until "death do you part". To be a forever family with the woman I cherish so much is so worth all that I have ever done to obtain it.

Many people are content with where they are and have never dreamed that there was anything better and do not believe there are any such blessings tied to obedience of any such commandments. But, for those who have tasted the sweetness of these things, we could never settle for anything less.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 11 months ago

I was never really curious, either. I was always afraid of getting in trouble, and I had learned enough from my older sister's escapades (and the paralyzing fear of the "wrath" of my parents if SHE had ever been caught that I didn't even want to know how scared I would have been if I had done anything that would put ME at risk of getting in trouble) not to try anything fishy.

Ahh, the life of a youngest child who carried around all the guilt her older siblings should have felt.

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bankboy119 8 years, 11 months ago

Enochville that is awesome.

I wish I could say the same. I had my time of partying in high school and by the end I was partied out. I do not drink or smoke anymore and wish I could go back and change what I did but I can't. Fortunately my mistakes have detered my siblings from doing the same things though. I wish there were more people like you out there that actually cared.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 11 months ago

Even if I had tried, it wouldn't have worked. I always looked younger than I was. I still get carded, and I have a kid, for pete's sake.

This is not to say that we didn't have friends who gladly brought alcohol to us at other locations...

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enochville 8 years, 11 months ago

Thank you bankboy. How is acg and the newest member of your family doing?

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Ceallach 8 years, 11 months ago

I did. Wednesday nights was unofficially "high school" night at the White House in Reno. As far as sneaking in, well, truthfully, if you were strong enough to open the door they wouldn't stop you. I also went to listen to the music and dance with friends. The fact that I was not drinking saved my life (literally) when my father walked in. (Have I mentioned he was a recovered alcoholic?) Mine was the only orange soda on the table (I did not and still do not care for the taste of beer). He marched me to the door (they already knew him), told them how old I was (17) and advised them that he would personally shut them down if I was allowed in again. [Sad part of the story -- 2 weeks later I went back, was asked how my dad was, I told them out of town and they let me in.] I'm now ashamed of defying him as he sought to save me from his former life, but at that time I felt very clever :(

btw, Hell hath no fury like a recovered alcoholic who finds his first born in a dive at 17.

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Jayhawk226 8 years, 11 months ago

I'm 25 years old and have never been inside a strip club?

Am I a freak? Or, am I really not missing out on much at all.

I do feel as though I'm holding on to more dollar bills though.

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legolas1996 8 years, 11 months ago

Jayhawk226- no, you are not missing a thing. I know that while not having stepped inside of one myself either. Its just stupid, sinful, a waste of time and money and only people who are insecure go to those places.

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trueninetiesgirl 8 years, 11 months ago

you are'nt missing anything at all , just saving your money

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neopolss 8 years, 11 months ago

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bytheway 8 years, 11 months ago

Underage drinking. What a question. Who needs an ID when the bars would just let you go in and drink anyway. I used to get trashed when I was nineteen at one of the bars in town. That was 7 years ago. It wasn't hard to get into one of those places. They would still look at your ID, but you could get a drink. I never used a fake in my life!!! What is the point. By the time I was of age I was pregnant!! I don't drink maybe once a year now. I still think they should drop the drinking age back to eighteen. I think that would eliminate a lot of problems.

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Ceallach 8 years, 11 months ago

If we are moving on to strip clubs -- no I have never been to a strip club. They seem like such a waste of time for a woman, at least a woman with a mirror:):)

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Jayhawk226 8 years, 11 months ago

I can honestly admit that when I get married, whenever the heck that should be, I have absolutely no desire to have stripper entertainment as a part of the whole bachelor party thing.

I think I may actually verbalize my wishes to those involved in planning. I just have no desire at all for some reason in having a stripper there.

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Ceallach 8 years, 11 months ago

Good for you Jayhawk226. That consideration honors your partner, chances are the reward will be great!

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bthom37 8 years, 11 months ago

When I came here in 97, I went to the Hawk about a dozen times my freshman year (at 18). You just walked up, gave them an ID, they'd X your hand, and you'd walk up to the bar and get booze.

Then, if cops came, they'd flash these lights on and off out back so all the underage kids would put their booze down.

I quit going there once I realized what a horrid bar it was.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 11 months ago

Ceallach, great story. Not being involved, I can find the humor in it.

IMO, any girl in a group of pretty girls were just allowed to pass through the doors without so much as a "Do you have an ID?". (And all young girls are pretty.) It was probably harder for the boys as the "bouncers" were their competition. I'm going to tell on my sister here...but she once had a police officer get her into a bar when she was 16. She was gutzy and he was just plain stupid...but it makes a good story.

It's like the old Eagles tune: "City girls learn early...how to open doors with just a smile." Kind of scary.

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monkeywrench1969 8 years, 11 months ago

Several times including the Hawk. The WHeel and Hawk were excellent on Friday afternoon and night. But it was easier for the girls.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 11 months ago

Oh, strip clubs...twice! Once, in attendance with my Mother-in-law. It was poetry reading night and all the readers were fully clad.

The first time was on my honey-moon and the hubby and I were walking around D.C. at lunchtime looking for a place to eat. We saw a place with tons of people going in and a sign that said "live entertainment". Needless to say, I stepped in, saw a woman standing on a table, and marched right back out. (Probably 3 shades of red.) I find that really funny since, from many life drawing classes, I was very used to seeing nude strangers. This, however, was entirely different! My hubby may have been disappointed that we went for Chinese food instead, but he never told me so. ;o)

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jonas 8 years, 11 months ago

Jayhawk: I just went into one on my bachelor party and no, you aren't missing anything. Maybe it's a mentality type, but when sexuality becomes a marketable commodity to that extent it stops being sexy. Not to mention, if you look at it past the red-lust vision impairment, they just look disinterested.

I read one great quote from a comedian that said going to a strip joint is like taking a starving guy and putting a piping hot roast turkey in front of him, and all he gets to do is yell at it.

"Hey, I bet you go real good with gravy!" "That's some tender looking meat you got there baby!"

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linux_chick 8 years, 11 months ago

I went to a club once when my friend asked me to come support her. I was surprised to find that the girls there are treated with much more respect than I ever have at a club...

That said, I'm glad my friend is cutting hair now... clothed.

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linux_chick 8 years, 11 months ago

sorry... should have specified. My friend stripped... I just went to clubbing.

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l_eustacy 8 years, 11 months ago

I had a friend... Who went to a Catholic HS and his girlfriend (when both were 16) could walk right into the liquor store uncarded, so my friend had to keep up and made a fake CA D/L. Worked great! Catholic schools/girls were the real source of corruption in that young man's life. Age 16,went to bars just fine. He made fake KS d/l and bus passes in college.

Remember Mass Street runs! Hitting six to eight bars in two to three hours. People over 22 were really old then.

Now that same person lives a very reputable life.

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nlf78 8 years, 11 months ago

18 to enter...so I would enter and all my friends of legal age would slip me shots all night. Made for some fun times...and I never once got caught!

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Linda Aikins 8 years, 11 months ago

Daughter's horoscope for today, from the LJW--see if you can find the mistake---

You might feel that your energy is off no matter what you do or what you take on. You can make this a problem or simply flow with the moment. Be sensitive to those in your daily life. Tonight: Yes, be a coach potato.

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gccs14r 8 years, 11 months ago

"Miers' judicial experience at the time of her nomination: same as William Rehnquists'."

That's not a positive endorsement.

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raven 8 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I would sneak into clubs when I was underage.

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ms_canada 8 years, 11 months ago

bankboy - you have regrets about your earlier behavior. I guess a lot of us do. And you wish you could erase them. Well there is a way to do that. Confess to God and repent, accept the salvation that He offers and the blood that Jesus shed for ALL sinners will cover your past mistakes and God will see them no longer. You will be as white as snow in His eyes. s'truth.

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Linda Aikins 8 years, 11 months ago

Yes, TOB, he sure is! A very large coach potato.

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bankboy119 8 years, 11 months ago

canada, have done that...doesn't mean I don't wish I could still change it haha.

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beatrice 8 years, 11 months ago

Sure did. There was one bar that once my friend and I got in, we got to know the waitress that first night. After that, we never had a problem getting in. Since we were "regulars" (maybe once every two weeks, and never any drinking to excess) we never got carded. When a new person would be working, first thing we would do was ask if "Janice" was around. Appearing as regulars, we never got carded by the new person either. Like others here, it was when the drinking age was lower and I was legal the following year. No regrets, and I still enjoy a good beer at times.

TOB: You mentioned a week or so ago that you call your in-laws "out-laws." I just heard this, and thought you might enjoy:

Do you know the difference between in-laws and outlaws? ..................................................................................................................................

Outlaws are wanted.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 11 months ago

Hariet Meirs nominated. said she had done pro bono work for "exodus ministries." anybody know which "exodus ministries" this is?
is it the one for ex-offenders recovery, or the one (exodus international) which helps people stop living in the homosexual lifestyle. we belive it is a choice not predetermined.
Mrs. Gnome and I have personal experience with the latter ministry, and just wondered.
guess this question will apply the excriment to the rotary air propeller.
oh

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 11 months ago

"hey coach potato, keep your eyes on the team!"

if he gets mad, we say he gets into a stew?

sorry, "coach potato" really fried my sense of humor today.
Coach Potatohead any one?

the LJW site is suddenly incredibly slow! the people at 7th and NH downloading images by the truckload or something?

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 11 months ago

thanks Bob! that was good.
gotta go... okay-bye

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ms_canada 8 years, 11 months ago

bankboy - yeh I know what you mean, I feel the same way. good on you, fella. :o)

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beatrice 8 years, 11 months ago

TOB: I figured you would enjoy it. Just doing my part to spread mirth and good cheer.

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jonas 8 years, 11 months ago

Ms. Canada: There's another way to stop having regrets about your life. You can look at everything you've done as another step in the process of making you what you are now, and that you would be something other than what you are now, had you not done those things. There's no way to really say if you would have been better or worse (which are just random value judgements anyway) so if you like what you are now, there's no reason to regret what steps and misteps you had to take to get there.

As for god, a friend of mine, a night or two ago, said something really pretty wise, I think. Having a relationship with god is a lot like having a relationship with a girl (or boy, of course). If you're strong in yourself, it will make you that much better. If you're weak in yourself, you're going to screw it up really, really badly.

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