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What do you think about grocery stores being able to sell beer on Sundays?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 18, 2005

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“I don’t see why the grocery stores shouldn’t be able to do it as well. They will probably make more money, especially if they can sell it after 7 p.m.”

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“It’s the downfall of good old-fashioned morals and values. Whatever happened to the days of the good old blue law?”

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“I don’t think there’s any problem with it. I think it’s an antiquated policy that doesn’t need to be there anymore.”

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“I’m pretty indifferent about it. The liquor stores are already open on Sundays, and I wouldn’t go to the grocery store for 3.2 beer anyway. I’d rather go without.”

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Comments

wichita_reader 9 years ago

Of course you don't learn about religion in public schools, bankboy. Read the First Amendment.

As to Sunday sales, bottoms up!

sunflower_sue 9 years ago

Hannibal, Not sure about roundabouts, but:

My friend had a drunken drive in highschool and hit a bridge. Since he was underage, Daddy had to cough up the money to repair the bridge..ouch! This same boy was my asigned chemistry lab partner. Needless to say, my lab grade suffered and I believe every assignment we had blew up.

Jclarkson 9 years ago

Bruce made a good point. "It's the downfall of good old-fashioned morals and values." I think it would be good to be able to buy beer on Sundays....however, as a society we have been on a downward trend morally.

But I dont think that the selling of alcohol would contribute to the downfall of morality in society.

I say, let them sell....

sunflower_sue 9 years ago

thunderbuns, I misspelled. I'm sorry. Please do not take offence.:o)

italianprincess 9 years ago

I just recently found out what the difference is between the two beers before our benefit concert we put on in October. I had no idea there was a difference. Its also strange that you can go to a bar on Sunday and drink beer, but you can't buy it at a grocery store. I don't make the laws here in Kansas so it kind of makes no sense to me.

As you know I'm from Cali and I had a friend explain it to me. All the years that I have lived here I had no idea I was buying 3.2 beer. I'm not a huge drinker anyway, but when I do decide to drink a beer I go to the liquor stores now.

Also in Cali our liqour stores sell everything from hard liquor, beer and everything a convenience store would sell here except for gas for your car. I remember walking to the corner liquor store to buy candy, soda or whatever as a child, then going back there at 21 to buy beer or alcohol.

Have a fantastic Friday everyone, dress warm, stay warm and drive safe.

GreenEyedBlues 9 years ago

Beer tastes pretty gross. I usually have to down three shots of gin before I can even bust out any lager... if I do at all.

I'm glad they can sell sissy malt beverages on Sunday! Hooray for Green Apple Seagram's.

sweatpeagj 9 years ago

For those who drink..selling beer anywhere on Sunday is ok. For those that don't I don't think they care very much either way.

lunacydetector 9 years ago

this question is just too controversial. beer from the grocers and on sundays? oh my!!!!!!!!! oh dear, what is this world coming to anyway? but seriously, this will hurt the liquor stores who don't make much money on sundays anyway - because nobody makes that mad dash to the liquor store on saturdays anymore, and the liquor stores still have to have people on their payroll for sunday sales.

rooga 9 years ago

I agree with Margie, its 3.2 beer anyways! Is it really beer!

neopolss 9 years ago

I never understood the fuss from owners over Sunday sales. Just because you have the option of selling on Sunday, doesn't mean you HAVE to. If Sunday isn't profitable for your store, take the day off! Then again, I never understood how the law stayed on the books with an obvious religious backing to it.

bankboy119 9 years ago

You know the reason you have Easter, Thanksgiving and Christmas off is because of religion too. Amazingly, America was founded on Christian principles....though you wouldn't know that from going through public school.

I don't think it's a big deal if the grocers sell on Sundays...if they weren't allowed to wouldn't that be discrimination?

sunflower_sue 9 years ago

Where I grew up, you could get 3.2 beer on Sundays but had to go to certain locations. ALL other alcohol (during the rest of the week) was sold in the grocery store. We did have blue laws. Only restaurants and the mall were open on Sundays (and only the mall for a short time). Grocery stores were also open...liquor aisles roped off.

I would love to see blue laws come back (no matter how antiquated). We all need to slow down. Now, if I could just get that whip cracking father-in-law of mine to ease up a bit...

imaLttlGrl 9 years ago

You do too learn about religion in public schools! I've been learning a lot about it in the past 3 years. Our teachers just don't focus on one religion. You learn about all religions if you take the classes that involve it. World History and East Asian studies, for example. I learned a lot from those two classes about religions that I previously had not known.

The difference between religion in a private school and a public school is that the opinions and beliefs are not pushed upon the students in public school. The information is given out to explain the different cultures and their history so that we can better understand the different people of the world.

And thank you ItalianPrincess, I'm very much warm and I did drive safely this morning. =o)

christie 9 years ago

Big Whoop. 3.2 Beer??? Who buys that junk anyway? Why can't they sell REAL beer? How come I can't buy a pack of smokes with my 12 pack of imported brew at a beer-store. How come you can only own 1 beer store and not several?

When I die I hope I'm still in Kansas, because Kansas is 20 years behind the times.

badger 9 years ago

I think grocery stores should stop selling 3.2 beer altogether. I think it should cease to be entirely. It's an abomination. On a trip to Oklahoma, I accidentally consumed some 3.2 Guinness once, and the 3.2 Boulevard makes me cry.

I've never quite understood the rationale, m'self. If I'm going to get drunk, the difference between regular beer and 3.2 beer means I'll have to drink one, maybe two more beers. Do lawmakers think you can't drink nine beers in the same amount of time in which you'd consumed eight, and to the same effect? It seems like kind of a hollow gesture for the stuff to even exist.

I understand about the levels of beverage license, and why the grocery stores don't sell hard stuff, but the 3.2/regular beer thing still flummoxes me.

bankboy119 9 years ago

Grl is right by the way....you can learn about any religion except for Christianity. Kind of funny though, well not really funny just pathetic.

bankboy119 9 years ago

And wichita, you obviously didn't read the 1st amendment carefully enough.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Nowhere in there does it say you can't learn about religion.

beatrice 9 years ago

bankboy, are you actually saying that if not taught in schools there are no other opportunities to learn about Christianity in this country? Please. Get over yourself.

sweatpea: "For those that don't [drink] I don't think they care very much either way." Read the words of people like bankboy. The self-righteous love telling others what they should and should not do. The fact that laws have to be changed to allow selling booze on Sundays says that the non-drinkers do care and want you to live by their standards.

badger 9 years ago

Yeah, beatrice, you hit it right on the head there.

As a kid, I lived for a few years in a dry county in Texas. One of the neighbors found out that my father would buy beer on base and bring it home to drink (perfectly legal) and she told him that if he wanted to live in a sinful pit of hellfire and drag his wife and children down with him, that was no concern of hers, but he should live on base or in another town with the rest of the sinners, because everyone knows 'that element' will spread until even decent people are affected by it, and she did not want her neighborhood to turn into a pit of strip clubs and brothels.

Dad told her he'd agreed to die to protect her right to free speech, but that didn't mean he had to listen to the narrow-minded ignorant use she put it to, and made it a point to sit out front with a beer at least once a week for a couple of months. She never spoke to him again, and kept trying to give my sister and me Bible tracts when he wasn't looking.

Aiko 9 years ago

Badger, where was that? Lubbock?

trinity 9 years ago

i'm on the bandwagon with the "3.2 beer sux" people-that stuff gives me the rottenest headache! full power or not at all. so in my never to be humble opinion, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference, sales on sunday or not.

and as for blue laws-wow i remember those long, idle sundays! i think alot of folks could really benefit from those again-but it'll never happen in our hurried rush-rush world. thank god or whomever you believe in, if indeed you share such memories of lazy sunday afternoons! unless of course you were a farm kid, in which case (especially during harvest, etc) you ran your tushie ragged no matter the day!

BunE 9 years ago

Must... FIght... Urge... to... Shut down... Bankboy... for lack of knowledge of constitutional law and history...

Beer on Sundays? Sounds fine to me, I hope I can get whiskey in a grocer some day. Or wine. Why should the consumption and purchase of alcohol be restricted on sundays? One stop saves gas!

bugmenot 9 years ago

I agree with Bruce It's the downfall of good old-fashioned morals and values. Whatever happened to the days of the good old blue law?" I mean what next, women get the right to vote? Black people no longer our slaves? Women in the workplace? Equality for all? I will not stand by a grocery store selling beer on Sunday, that's just too much.

boltzmann 9 years ago

Actually I don't know why they can sell all liquor - or at least wine and real beer - in grocery stores. Many states don't have that restriction - Texas (in non dry counties), California, etc. It has always been baffling to me that in Kansas and (more extremely) in Utah, where Republicans are dominant that they have alcohol distribution systems that rival former communist countries in terms of state control. This is why I've never believed any Republican when they say that they want to get government off our backs. For that I have much more respect for the libertarians - I don't agree with everything they say, but at least they are honest.

It does affect KS economically, many up-scale grocery chains (Whole Foods, Trader Joes, etc) make a lot of money through their alcohol sales - and have great selections as well, but we would probably never see them in KS because of our restrictions. Even World Market on S. Iowa here had to adapt in a a strange way by placing their beer and wine sales in a separate store attached to the other one - which I find insanely silly (not on World Market's part but because of the state regulations).

I used to live in Utah and the laws there were insane. The state liquor commission consisted only of Mormans who didn't drink, so they made laws that were startling in their ignorance. In the state liquor stores alcohol seemed to be priced entirely by volume. Vodka was really cheap, but real beer was very expensive. You could buy a bottle of cheap vodka for 7 or 8 dollars, but a six pack of Anchor Steam beer was 12 dollars. They also had laws that restaurants could not make a profit on alcohol and had to sell it for the same price as in the state liquor store, which had the effect that wine was really cheap in a restaurant - which is not quite the effect I think that they intended. There was also a law that said you could not have two drinks simultaneously, which they interpreted to mean that you could not have a drink with two different kinds of alcohol in it - when you ordered a martini, they had to put in vermouth "flavoring".

OldEnuf2BYurDad 9 years ago

You know a law is antiquated when both the far left and the far right want it to go away. Even in Kansas.

Six days... seven days. What's the difference? I've heard it said "if they sell beer on Sunday, then the families with alchoholics will have drunkeness seven days a week". What bizarre reasoning. As if a boozer wouldn't know to stock up on Saturday.

Lunacy: are you saying it's unfair to the liquor stores to allow Sunday beer sales in grocery stores? That's called free market capitolism.

As conservative as I am in most of my posts, I personally think they should sell wine and booze in grocery stores. If they can put the cigs in there, why not the booze, and goodness knows we need the tax revenues from KC. Sometimes you plan a meal that just HAS to have wine with it. Why should I have to go to two stores so I can get my wine? It's not like having it in stores would mean that grade schoolers would be buying it.

avhjmlk 9 years ago

bankboy, did you ever take Humanities in high school? I did a project about the Sistine Chapel ceiling--can't get much more Christian than that, considering that's where they vote for the Pope. Ever read the Canterbury Tales? (Granted, they're pretty graphic and colorful, but they do have a Christian basis...) If you did, and your English teacher didn't tell you that the stories were supposed to have been told as entertainment, one by each traveller, for a group on its way (as a Christian pilgrimage) to Canterbury? Man, you must have gone to a private school to miss out on all of those details!

And, as for Easter, Christmas, and New Year's, they also don't sell on July 4th, Memorial Day, Labor Day, and any other major recognized national holiday. (At least in some places in the state--I have to admit that I haven't memorized the various liquor-selling days calendars...)

avhjmlk 9 years ago

And, as for Thanksgiving, depending on who you talk to, it was also meant as a celebration of friendship with the Native Americans, who, until they were forced to convert by the missionaries (most of which who were, I will admit, Catholic), were certainly not Christians. They practiced their native religions, which some still do to this day.

badger 9 years ago

Aiko-

Copperas Cove. It's ten or fifteen minutes from Fort Hood.

I think it's two laws that keep the full liquor sales out of grocery stores. One says that you can't sell anything but booze (and, inexplicably, lottery tickets) in a store where you sell hard liquor. I wonder if the reason lottery tickets are OK doesn't have to do with legal background checks, because you can't sell lottery tickets if you have a felony conviction, and you can't sell booze if you have an alcohol-related conviction. The basic gist is that there should be no reason for anyone underage to even walk into a liquor store, but the lottery tickets kind of mess that up. So does the fact that people routinely bring their kids into the liquor store with them.

The other reason is the 'one-store' rule. That rule protects small businesses, which I'm cool with. I think there are other ways that could be done, but that way seems to work all right.

Boltzmann-

I thought there was a Whole Foods on Metcalf in Kansas City? I'm pretty sure it's in Kansas. And it was my understanding that Trader Joe's just hadn't reached this section of the Midwest yet because the market for hippie groceries wasn't there yet.

Here in Austin, the liquor stores are closed on Sunday, but all the grocery stores have the most amazing wine selections. You go to a liquor store for hard liquor, and the grocery store for wine and beer, and there's a lot more selection in general here than I had anywhere in Lawrence. There are grocery stores here where the wine department is larger than any two of the liquor stores in Lawrence, and at least one of the grocery stores has a full-time employee designated as a sommelier.

jonas 9 years ago

badger hit it on the head, 3.2 beer is an abomination anyway, but I guess Groc. stores should be able to sell it so the procrastinators can get something to drink for late night football and such things.

And, Italianprincess, the liquor laws don't make sense to anyone, and probably didn't to whoever passed them as they were just, in the first place, a wierd currying to religious folks who thought, illogically, that alcohol was a sin.

Moving on, I'm actually going to have to agree with. . . bankboy, strange as that seems. Absolutely removing any vestiges of Christianity from public education is not a wise decision. Much as I'm sure some would object to the idea, Christian values were one of the (many!) foundations of this country, and most of progressive Western Civilization as well. Whether they need to continue to be a key aspect is debatable (although when you dispense with that hogwash about Christians being the only true saved, the actual principles are decently good ones) but that's also a moot point, as school is more to pass on accumulated information than to make decisions regarding which direction it goes from the presense. Omiting it's presense is more than just historical revisionism, it's a backlash that (as most do) goes too far the other direction, as opposed to settling in where it actually should, in the middle. There should be a class, at least an optional one, where religion, including Christianity, and it's influences on the world are discussed. With current events transpiring the way they are, a solid, factual and objective study of religious history would be invaluable for students.

Besides, when you don't, you start to have wingnuts like our Board of Ed. try and fit it in where it DOESN'T belong, like the 2 year old trying to fit the star-shaped piece through the circle-shaped hole on that old toy.

badger 9 years ago

I agree with jonas.

I'm opposed to the institutionalized practice of Christianity in schools, like teacher-led prayers or requiring students to obey the Ten Commandments (or even posting them).

However, the teaching of the historical, social, and philosophical effect that Christianity has had on our society (good and bad, gotta cover both of those) is well and good and does belong in a history, sociology, philosophy, or world cultures class.

avhjmlk 9 years ago

And, to follow up on what badger said, all of those things about Christianity (historical, sociological, philosophical, etc) ARE STILL taught in public schools, in the classroom/subject of proper forum, along with like information about other cultures and world religions.

avhjmlk 9 years ago

And yes, Kansas was one of the last (or WAS the last) dry state. Still has some of the last dry counties.

boltzmann 9 years ago

Bager - you are right. I looked it up - there is a Whole Foods in Overland Park. I stand corrected - I don't get to that area very much, but I will now!. Is it new? How do they deal with the wine/beer issue there - do they have a separate store? or do they just not sell alcohol?

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Regarding drinking of the 4th of July, all I have to say is this:

"He who goes forth on the 4th with a 1/5th, may not come forth on the 5th."

As for the OTS: I don't drink, never have and never will. Anyone who does is a fool. But if you want to, go ahead. It's your choice. Just be ready for any negative consequences.

beatrice 9 years ago

Okay, this seems to be settled -- sell beer of any kind, any day of the week. Institutionalized Christianity in school is bad, but belongs in a broader classroom setting that deals with many major religions, which is where we find it.

Old joke: What is the similarity between 3.2 beer and sex in a canoe? ........... They are both f%*&ing close to water.

Now that I am primarily in Phoenix, they sell real beer 7 days a week in liquor and grocery stores, as they have for a long time. The only major consequence for our transgressions, as far as I can tell, is that God apparently punishes us by making us watch the Arizona Cardinals as we drink our Sunday beer.

New question anyone?

Aiko 9 years ago

Thunderbuns, what happened in your life to make you think that way of all alcoholic beverages? I respect that you don't drink but why say "anyone who does is a fool"? Seems extreme to me......

badger 9 years ago

boltzmann-

I don't know how they deal with it. I hadn't gotten there before I moved, though I heard their seafood dept was excellent.

Thunderbuns-

I may be a fool, but my alcohol consumption has nothing to do with it. I've been drinking since I was a kid (my parents believed that if there was wine at the table, it was for everyone), and as for negative consequences? I think I might have had a hangover once when I drank some cheap red wine, but it may also have been a sinus infection. In college, I tended to be the designated driver a lot because booze was kind of blase to me, and I was something like 27 when I first got drunk (I had always heard people talk about how much fun it is, and I was somewhere where there was no possibility I'd get behind a wheel, and had friends to look out for me, and so I tried it. It's not really all that special, I think). It's totally possible to drink responsibly and suffer no negative effects at all.

My current consumption is a little less than one drink a day, based on studies that show daily red wine is good for you in many ways, and another study that came out last year that said that having an average of one drink a day with no binge drinking (can't get the whole month in during the full moon, say) decreased the risks of dementia and loss of brain function dramatically.

avhjmlk 9 years ago

Drinking, like many other things, is bad when done to excess. But I can't see how badger, or anyone else with a responsible view of their own drinking is a fool purely on that basis.

I personally am a bit (a lot a bit) of a lightweight. Especially after being "on the wagon" whilst pregnant about 2 years ago. More than one beer, and it's sweet dreams for me. I can't even stay awake!

However, my husband homebrews (the REAL way), so maybe our stuff is a little more potent. Who knows!

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Badger:

Well, you're still alive and therefore have many future opportunities to drink. Can you -- with absolute certainty--- say that you will "always and forever, under all circumstances" drink responsibly? When you drink (or smoke) you're also a walking advertisement for young impressionable kids. Maybe your "adverstizing" will be the last straw that convinces them to drink. And maybe they have the "alcoholic" gene in them. You do the math.

If you are not a Bible believer, the following won't mean anything to you. But if you are, it'll give you something to think about:


1 Corinthians 6:19 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


In other words, even your body is not your own. The Good Lord gave it to you. How are your treating yours?

There's also a lot to be said about abortion, with regard to the above verse, but that's a whole 'nother can o' worms!!!!

Aiko 9 years ago

Hey Badger, how do you like it knowing that whatever you do, say, wear and or drive that you are marketing yourself for advertisement? LOL

avhjmlk 9 years ago

thunderbuns, to return to the Biblical argument, wasn't Christ's first public miracle the wine at the wedding at Canaa? The bible says that drunkenness is sinful (I think, though I can't quote it), but wine was the most common beverage in Biblical times.

Unfortunately for me, or fortunately for my propensity for migraines, I can't participate in grape-based Biblical activities. It goes to my head, so to speak.

nlf78 9 years ago

I agree with Margie, it's 3.2 beer. I don't know many people that will be going out on Sunday in search of 3.2 beer. Most of the people I know will still be going to the liquor store for their football Sunday beer. How many people do you ever see coming out of the grocery store with a case of beer? They go across the street or down the road to get their beer from a liquor store. But either way....it doesn't seem like a big deal to me.

Aiko 9 years ago

and the thumping of the book has started....

beatrice 9 years ago

thunderbuns: What was it exactly that Jesus turned that water into? I forget, not being up on my Bible versus like you are, oh holy one.

Also, you win the award for being the first to bring up abortion today!!! I mean, really, how can we all be sitting around discussing 3.2 beer when they are killing all those babies out there! If the innocents are lucky enough to be born, what good is it anyway when we have adults like Badger being such a horrible influence on them. Doesn't he know that drinking a Guinness will lead the kiddies straight to heroin?

Honestly, don't kids have the ability to make decisions? Did you ever see an adult drink when you were growing up? If the answer is yes, ... well, you figure it out.

(I swear, after today, I think I will need a drink.)

avhjmlk 9 years ago

Sorry, Aiko. I was just trying to deflect.

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Aiko: sometimes it's good to thump the book. Or should we just burn them all and never read 'em or talk about 'em?

The society Christ lived in was different than ours is today. Their drunk drivers did less damage.

If you want to drink, go for it.

And I'd rather be guilty of passively advertising Nikes to kids than a cigarette or a Bud. As always, you decide.

Aiko 9 years ago

avhjmlk, that was not intended for you in any way, shape or form. Sorry for the confusion.

Aiko 9 years ago

To go from thumping to burning. Now that is extreme!

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years ago

Didn't Jesus turn water into wine? Amen to the grocery stores doing the same thing.

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Reach:

No I don't eat junk food. Why do you ask?

badger 9 years ago

Well, thunderbuns, I rarely drink around children I don't know well. I don't often drink in public, except at restaurants where the only children I encounter will be with their parents, whom I would hope could offer much better and closer role models than the stranger at the next table. It's not as if I'm hanging out across the street from the elementary school with a 40 of malt liquor.

If the sight of my glass of wine is the last straw in that person's fight against alcoholism, I have the same response I have when people say heavy metal or gaming makes kids kill people: if you're that close to the edge that a single thing has that level of impact, you aren't looking for a trigger, you're looking for a scapegoat.

As to the kids I do know well that I drink around? Well, since they see me often, consuming responsibly and setting a moderate example, I can only imagine that I'm 'advertising' that few things in life must be all-or-nothing, and that a responsible, self-aware individual can make healthy and informed decisions about what he or she puts into his or her body.

And as to whether I'll continue to drink responsibly? Well, let's see, some years ago I weathered what could be termed an intensely difficult time if one were understating the case, involving deep and massive depression. During that time, a friend offered to take me out to get drunk and 'forget it all for a while.' I declined, because I knew that using alcohol to cope with emotional problems (instead of as a tasty beverage to complement a steak) is one of the fastest tracks to serious alcoholism. So, as I think I've been tested to about the depths of what I can stand and keep standing, it's unlikely that anything is going to change my attitudes about drinking. I suppose that there are some things that might drive me to drinking irresponsibly, but I have a support network of friends and family in place to catch me long before I'd hit that point.

Charla Welch 9 years ago

"1 Corinthians 6:19 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Funny, my best friend's mother used that argument when she got her first tattoo. So my friend informed her mother that she was simply decorating her temple.

The alcoholic gene runs in my family. There are many alcoholics in my dad's family. However, my parents taught me, mostly by example, that drinking in excess in bad. I have never seen either of my parents drunk. I have often seen uncles, aunts, cousins, even grandparents drunk. Drinking alcohol can set a good example, if done correctly. My parents showed me that it's ok to have a glass of wine with dinner. My other family members showed me that having the whole bottle of wine with dinner turns you into an idiot.

About alcohol sales, I grew up in Wyoming. There's alcohol everywhere. Drive-thru liquor stores, even. Even though I rarely drink now, (I totally understand, avhjmlk!) I would like the opportunity to buy a bottle of wine for dinner at the same time as buying the ingredients for dinner, any day of the week.

badger 9 years ago

Oh, and as to 'how I'm treating my body'? Please reread the part where I mentioned that one of the factors in my continued consumption of alcoholic beverages is that a fair bit of research says that moderate consumption, as opposed to being harmful, can have many healthy side effects.

I exercise, eat mostly natural and whole foods, consume responsibly, buy organic, don't smoke tobacco or pot (or crack, for that matter), don't use any illicit or illegal drugs, consume moderate amounts of coffee (2004 study highlighted in Prevention magazine says that moderate coffee consumption decreases the risk of Parkinson's and type II diabetes), and get as much sleep as my schedule allows. On that whole 'temple' thing, I think I'm ahead of the curve.

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Badger: I'm glad you got thru the depression period of your life. Good for you. And if you truly can be a responsible drinker forever, good for you. I hope you stick to it.

Reach: Of course, anything we consume, at some level, is "bad" for you. Some more than others. It is my opinion that cigs & booze just happen to be obvious ones --- to me. But if you want to smoke and drink, go for it. And, if you want to advertise lottery tix by purchasing them at your local Dillons, go for it.

Beatrice: if you want to advertise an abortion by having one, go for it (I'm assuming your feathers got ruffled cuz you had one once). And BTW Bea, you can call me "O holy one" if it makes you feel better, but it kinda makes me unconfortable.....

Remember: "Ye are not your own". Those aren't my words.

beatrice 9 years ago

thunderbuns: I don't want to condescend -- you know, talk down to -- so I will put it simply: You are a fool.

My feathers aren't ruffled, I simply think it is ridiculous the way some people (like you and other, obviously self-righteous folks of your ilk) insist on turning every conversation into an abortion issue. Also, not that it is your business, but since we don't know one another I will fill you in, I have never had an abortion, nor taken the morning after pill, nor taken any medication to prevent pregnancy. In fact, my own personal beliefs tend to lean more right on this issue than left. For you to make such an outrageously ignorant statement claiming that I must have had an abortion indicates how clouded is your perception of the world.

Remember: "You are a fool." Those are my words.

avhjmlk 9 years ago

I highly doubt that Beatrice was advertising for abortion. And as to whether or not she's had one (which I doubt, at least as far as your claim that her response to abortion being brought up in today's topic is direct evidence that she's had one goes), that's her own business. I think that making such a comment about someone on this forum is akin to saying that, because they used the word sex in casual conversation, they must have sex casually and outside of marriage. There's just no reasonable direct nexus between the two.

badger, you'll be happy to know that my husband brews much of his beer from "whole foods" (i.e. whole weat berries from his grandparents' farm). Come over and have some any time you want, since it fits your diet!

Aiko, no offense taken. That's what I get for assuming you were referring to me. My bad.

BunE 9 years ago

"Ye are not your own" are the words of the editor of the King James or what ever print you are quoting from.

"I am glad that they have that 24 hour waiting period for abortions, Last week, I really wanted one, then it turned out that I was just thirsty" - Sarah Silverman (Jesus is Magic)

Beer on Sundays Wine in the store Honk for Hemp Day rent a whore!

bible study wednesday quote quote quote! You are not good enough my god will you smote!

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Beatrice (and others of her "ilk") :

WELL !!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't have to get all huffy!!!!!

BWABWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

craigers 9 years ago

First off, Bruce (nuclear engineer), yeah right. He is a barber at the Downtown Barber Shop. Nice lie Bruce.

avhjmlk, the bible does say that drunkeness is bad. However drinking isn't a sin. As to the whole body being a temple, it is good to have a drink once in awhile because it does have health benefits.
However obsurd this might seem to people, the only people that are going to heaven are the ones who believe in Christ as their savior. When you have some religions that believe you must do certain deeds to earn God's favor, and Christianity that states that we are saved by grace and all you have to do is call on the name of the Lord Jesus and receive Him as your savior, both can't be correct. You can't reconcile the two. One is based on your deeds in this life and whether you have checked things off the required list and the other says you don't have to do anything but accept the gift, they are complete opposites and both can't be right. The fact that the majority of people feel that if Christianity is right and the only way to God is through Jesus, then very few people will go to heaven, actually endorses the exact teachings of Christ. Call me what you want but the persecution for pointing this out also confirms the teachings of Christ. When you are the minority, there will always be more people shouting at you and telling you that they are right and you are intolerant. I guess I am intolerant. Oh well.

BunE 9 years ago

Um, Christians aren't the minority. They are like 75% of Americans. Is it easier to be persecuted? Thanks for the preachy thing though.

Cast that stone!

Beer on Sunday!

bankboy119 9 years ago

Reach please explain that comment. How is it so "inherently ugly" as your put it?

Oh and yes I did take Humanities but how does that help me learn about Christianity? And I did go to public school, not private. Any other assumptions you'd like to make?

craigers 9 years ago

Heaven forbid people obeyed the Ten Commandments. How horrible of a society would that be? People don't like accountability.

craigers 9 years ago

BunE, there is a difference between saying your a Christian and actually being a believer. I should have rephrased that. The minority in this country are the believers.

craigers 9 years ago

You could take this board for example. Many would claim to be Christians, but a believer has not only been born again but accepts the whole bible as the written Word of God.

BunE 9 years ago

What if I am jesus and I am feeling feisty? Are you sure you can speak for me?

Beer on SUNDAYS!

badger 9 years ago

Craigers, I have no problem with most of the Ten. However, I have a real problem with expecting that first one to apply to everyone.

The rest of them, I can work with and could even accept as appropriate social guidelines, but the first one is a dealbreaker.

neopolss 9 years ago

The only question I have is, if so many of us are in agreement on this liquor issue, then why so long for these antique laws to be repealed? Is the voice of the masses not being heard?

Now let's work on getting that drinking age back down. There's no need to be so overprotective of our 18 year-old men and women.

BunE 9 years ago

Sell beer on Sundays

Honk for hemp!

More Casinos!

Make everyone read Huck Finn

BOE 9 years ago

TB:

" Can you(badger) -- with absolute certainty--- say that you will "always and forever, under all circumstances" drink responsibly? "


If badger should affirm, with absolute certainty that he won't drive, operate heavy machinery, perform surgery, or do anything else that requires the utmost personal responsibility, while he drinks irresponsibly, then he (as well as EVERYBODY else) needs to include abstaining from these things while fatigued/staying awake 17 to 19 hours, or more. (residents pulling 24, 36 hours shifts?)

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The Auto Channel

May 7, 2003

I Promise Program Offer Prom Night Safe Driving Tips The Auto Channel

May 7, 2003 I Promise Program Offer Prom Night Safe Driving Tips

"It goes without saying that parents do not want their teenagers drinking--let alone drinking and driving, but we must also warn them not to drive drowsy," says Raines.

  • But, according to a study published in the British Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine, people driving after staying awake for 17 to 19 hours performed worse than those with a blood alcohol concentration of 0.05%. The National Center on Sleep Disorders Research (NCSDR) and the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimate that more than 1,550 deaths and 71,000 injuries are attributable to driver fatigue annually. *

"Already this spring I've seen s tragic story of a young man in Columbia, South Carolina, who crashed while driving home after prom," says Raines. "He was too tired, fell asleep behind the wheel, and veered into an oncoming lane striking another motorist. While the teen escaped with minor injuries, the driver he hit died."

According to statistics the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety published, speed and driving with additional passengers contribute to more teen crashes than alcohol use.

http://www.ipromiseprogram.com/links/Oct2003/Prom%20Driving%20Tips%20-%20The%20Auto%20Channel%20-%20May%202003.htm

avhjmlk 9 years ago

omb--good point on the versions. And what about the Protestant vs. Catholic bible thing? Which one are you supporting, craigers? Are you so sure you're the one to make the deicison about which one is right? Sheesh! You could be believing in an incomplete Bible! gasp What are you going to do?

And, in terms of the salvation is by grace alone argument, what the hell was the point of all of the good works that Christ did in his time, and his very specific attempt to pass on the doing of good works to his disciples, if they didn't matter for salvation? In order to be "a believer" and follow the Bible, one MUST do good works. Read the Beatitudes lately?

bankboy, we learned about Christian history in my Humanities class. I guess I was just trying to show you that, though you would have us believe otherwise, students do learn about Christianity in public schools. As for the private school comment, can't you take a little sarcasm?

BunE 9 years ago

run with scissors hand knives to children blade first drink drano (on sundays)

avhjmlk 9 years ago

Bun-always good for a laugh. Are you familiar with Edward Gorey? You'd love him.

For those of you who don't know, he's the guy that did the pencil line drawing that has been the introductory "cartoon" sequence for Masterpiece Theatre for eons. He has also published a series of books, which are so darkly humorous they will make you fall off your chair if you're in the right mood.

http://www.wishville.co.uk/gorey/

avhjmlk 9 years ago

I'll give them a try. Thanks bob.

beatrice 9 years ago

Cast that stone! (directly at thunderbuns. Really. If anyone knows him, throw rocks at him. I'm past the parable stage with this dolt.)

Beer on Sunday! (Free State is still the best. I miss it already.)

avhjmlk 9 years ago

Good question, Aiko. I don't know...

craigers 9 years ago

Avhjmlk, The Holy Bible, not the catholic bible. There are extra books in that than the standard accepted bible. I understand what you are saying about the works, but that is not the way to salvation. We will in no doubt do good if we are Christians, but it isn't a requirement for salvation. Do you see what I am saying?

BunE 9 years ago

Some people claim to be christians but really are not?

BunE 9 years ago

The bible has been interpreted by humans and certain sects of christianity have accepted or rejected certain books? You mean...

PEOPLE DISAGAREE ABOUT THE HOLINESS OF THE HOLY BOOK!!!!!?????

badger 9 years ago

Boggles the mind, BunE, don't it?

BunE 9 years ago

Feel... Like... My Head... Gonna... Bus' Open.

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Beatrice:

A dolt??!! Me???!!!

Man, that hurt !!!!!

You're pretty clever with the come-backs, Bea!

(And I mean that from the bottom of my heart....or is it from the heart of my bottom. Whatever.)

beatrice 9 years ago

thunderbuns: I'm just sorry your mother didn't believe in abortions.

Teapot 9 years ago

Not being from Kansas I could never understand the purpose of 3.2 beer. Where I come from (Illinois) beer can be sold for nearly 24 hours and Sundays has never been a problem. Is the idea behind 3.2 beer that you'll drink the same amount but not be as drunk? Because if that's it, that is ludacris since I think they forgot about college kids and a huge demographic that point is to get shi#faced. Cute Story: The first time I visited Lawrence at the age of 18, I used a fake ID to get into some bars etc. Finally it was Sunday and MLK Jr. day was the next day so we did'nt want to go back to Chicago and instead ditched our flights, drove to Iowa City bought some beer and partied there for the night. A story that I still have yet to tell my folks about. Have a good weekend Lawrence!

badger 9 years ago

Uh, beatrice?

We can't just throw rocks and names at everyone we can't convince to see things our way. We'd just end up living in a world of bruises and pea gravel.

thunderbuns 9 years ago

Yeah Beatrice, what badger said........

beatrice 9 years ago

Badger, I agree. I don't want to stone everyone ... just thunderbuns. (Not that great of a loss to humanity, and it would bring us good fortune for the next crop season.)

That is all for now. I've got to go do my part in corrupting the children of the world by having drinks with friends. Have a nice weekend everyone ... except you, thunderbuns. (okay, just kidding. I hope you have a good weekend too, tb.) Peace

BOE 9 years ago

TB:

...an your point is?


FATIGUE CHECK LANES!!!!

thunderbuns 9 years ago

BOE:

.....well, ya don't have to yell, my little chum !!!!!!!!!

bearded_gnome 9 years ago

WHEW!

I just wanna know what a nuclear engineer is doing8 in Lawrence?

developing the physics theory system of roundabouts? extending the SLT? Oh, maybe he's the key in getting this "nuke urbanism" thingy going.

I've been gone all day, and you are throwing rocks at each other and calling for retroactive abortions! I say, legalize valium (sp?) sales on sunday.

personally, for my faith, reading Ephesians 5:18, I choose not to drink any alcoholic beverage. and as to the health benefits of a glass of wine each day, I get mine in frequent green tea, iced in summer, hot now.

now, tomorrow, can't we all just get along?

Tanya Spacek 9 years ago

I want grocery store to sell liquor, too. It will save me time and gas money.

Tanya Spacek 9 years ago

*stores, not store

that'll teach me to comment when I'm drunk. is it 8am already?

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