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Who was your favorite Batman villain?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on May 19, 2005

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“The Riddler. He was actually in the first pilot episode, which I thought was the best one. I was always a Frank Gorshin fan anyway. The first time I saw him was on ‘The Ed Sullivan Show’ with the Beatles.”

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“The Joker, because he was sort of funny, and I like his outfit.”

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“Catwoman. She was very strong and used her feminine ways to get what she wanted. Even Batman was susceptible at times.”

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“I’m going to go with the Penguin. He was always a pretty funny character.”


GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

The Joker was HOT HOT HOT! Jack Nicholson was pretty fine back then.

I wanna make out with him and make a mess out of his clown lipstick. =)

Jay Bird 12 years, 8 months ago

GreenEyedBlues- First the Salve outfit now this. My girlfriend needs to hang out with you. I'd have to say Poison Ivy, or The Riddler from the movies and Catwoman from t.v.

enochville 12 years, 8 months ago

Man, I just caught up on what I missed from yesterday. Pretty intense. I have never been a big fan of Batman. I liked the t.v. show better than the movies. I don't really have a favorite villian.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

OMB: Which Batgirl? Barbara Gordon? Or Cassandra Cane?

KsjKC 12 years, 8 months ago

Greeneyedblues--- I really think I wanna meet you..;)

My favorite villain had always been Burgess Meredith's penguin--in the movie--Jack Napier all the way...

enochville 12 years, 8 months ago

What do you guys think of the virtual school option mentioned on the ljworld homepage? It sounds like it is intended for several different types of students:

"Students attend for a variety of reasons. They may be home-schooled or attend a private school. They may have scheduling conflicts and need to fit in a class.

Online courses can be accommodating for students with medical issues. And they can assist those who want to accelerate through school or retake a class" (From the article)

I think the above reasons are o.k., but did they say virtual school replaces alternative school? Students in alternative school were there because they have behavioral problems which may very well stem from poor situations at home. I think the lack of structure and human interaction will be disasterous for them. I doubt students with behavior problems will get the work done and will end up causing trouble during school hours. Maybe some of you know the back story behind the closing of the alternative school; please fill me in.

Also, are they using money set aside for the Douglas county schools to educate kids across the state through online classes? If it truely is available across the state then money from the state should be appropriated to this program for this purpose, and not taken from the county's school system funds.

Topside 12 years, 8 months ago

Mr Freeze was great in the cartoon that came out in the mid-nineties and The Scarecrow was cool too. The old Mr. Freeze was not as cool andthe governator as Mr Freeze also did not do the character justice.

This is an odd question to ask since Frank Gorshen(?) died yesterday. RIP and big ups to the OG Riddler!

lunacydetector 12 years, 8 months ago

suggested questions of the day.....

what is more important to you? the lack of affordable housing, or the use of pesticides in the parks?


do you think the City of Lawrence's restrictions and regulations are a benefit to businesses?


what do you think of the slow exodus of growth industry businesses (ie. engineering firms, etc) to kansas city, due to the City's policies?

remember_username 12 years, 8 months ago

Enochville - thanks for changing the subject. I have mixed feelings about the virtual school program. I think it is great as a supplemental program, but I worry that too many parents may rely upon it full time - once more classes are available. For example, the article says that biology is offered virtually. How can you effectively teach biology without a laboratory component? Somebody convince me of that!

Just to answer the LJW question. My favorite villain was BatGirl (I'm dark side of the force today).

simple_simon 12 years, 8 months ago

Batgirl wasn't a villian, r_u, she was a crime fighter! You're thinking of Catwoman. Catwoman was evil. Sexy as can be, oh yeah, you betcha!-- But evil, nevertheless!

remember_username 12 years, 8 months ago

S_S - What if you're evil. Wouldn't that that make BatGirl a villian from your perspective? My attempt was to tie yesterdays lame question with today's lame question in some clever way. Yes, Catwoman was very attractive but I was younger then and BatGirl was more my age.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

Ra's al Ghul, The Demon's Head, is by far the most interesting. Like most of Batman's adversaries, he's not a meta but has more cunning and guile than the rest of them combined. He's hundreds of years old, heads his own cult of fanatics who willingly die for him, and wants to cleanse the planet of the disease that is mankind. He's the original eco-terrorist! I wonder if ELF has a shrine to him anywhere? Oh yeah, and he wants Batman, whom he calls "the Detective", to marry his daughter Talia and succeed him as the head of his organization. Kind of a love-hate relationship going on here.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

That would be Cassandra. She's an assassin's daughter who is a martial arts expert and could kill you before you even realized what happened (and without breaking a sweat). She also wears black leather. . . .

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

tv: Cat Woman -- movie: Poison Ivy.

virtual classes? who are they kidding that this program would benefit students previously enrolled at the alternative learning site? half of those kids had truancy problems -- and who says they all have computer/internet access? seems to me they have found a culturally elite method of sweeping them under the education rug. but that is just my opinion based on very limited information. i hope more information will lessen my skepticism regarding our illustrious board.

after 6 straight days away from my office, i'm feeling a bit grumpy at being confined to this desk. the office fairy did not keep up on my workload, seems it just made a huge pile and left it for me!

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

OMB: Current comic book titles. I've collected for 18 years. They're the ONLY thing I consider authoritative vis-a-vis Batman. If the comics can be compared (metaphorically) to an autobiography, the movies and TV series are cheap, hastily published biographies written by people who claim to have seen Batman riding the subway once when they were young. Go to Kwality Comics at 1111 Mass. Talk to LeRoy or Sam(antha) and ask for a current Batgirl issue. Tell them Fangorn sent you.

remember_username 12 years, 8 months ago

Fangorn - neither I was referring to Yvonne Craig (BatGirl c. 1967).

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

Aaaaah Ceallach I forgot ALL about the TV show!! Can I change my answer to Eartha Kitt's Catwoman?

I can say I've never watched an episode, but my dad watched it religiously and got in a bad habit of saying "OOF!", "POW!" and "BIP!" when someone got punched in the action movies he watched.

HappyGoLucky: It wasn't me with the slave outfit! I wanted to be a sabertoothed Ewok from the Dark Side with a moustache, remember? =)

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

I realize Catwoman doesn't have the debonaire clown appeal that The Joker does, nor would I want to smear her makeup if she had any.

But maybe I can go with her to get her wrinkles lasered and back at my place she can sing C'est Si Bon while I'm in the shower so I don't have to.

Jay Bird 12 years, 8 months ago

Geeen-Your right, that was Carmenilla. An ewok with a bushy handlebar might be quite fetching. I think it was due to lack of sleep. Stayed up late waiting to see Star Wars at 9am.

ms_canada 12 years, 8 months ago

ceallach - if you were serious about the pen pal bit, (as I was) please contact Kathleen Christian in the School of Fine Arts, Dean's office at U of K and she will give you my email address. She said she will try to find you also.

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

Cat Woman: its a toss up between Julie Newmar and Eartha Kitt. Meeoooowww!

I also love Harley Quinn. She was the Joker's shrink in prison. She fell for him and went wacko. Busted the Joker out and became his partner in crime. Always liked her bad jokes.

And despite the Schumacher/Schwarzeneggar mishap, Uma made a pretty rockin' Poison Ivy. Her tongue was planted (no pun intended) firmly in her cheek.

Everyone likes a bad girl....

dtrybom 12 years, 8 months ago

I wish they would make a movie from the book Dark Knight or Knightfalls cant remember what it was called for sure, but all of the criminals escape from the asylum and batman is crippled by BANE and they find a replacement that is more brutal then was a great story and hopefully it would make people forget about the crap movie with george clooney!

jonas 12 years, 8 months ago

Maybe we should combine the last two questions. . .

Which Star Wars character would you most like to see fight Batman?

Mine would have to be Wicket.

"I am the night, I am Batma. . . HEY, GET THIS DAMN THING OFF MY LEG, OUCH OUCH OUCH!"

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

ms_canada: found her, sent you an email :) do you think some of our grumpies will be happier when we converse off-board?

italianprincess 12 years, 8 months ago

I've had a pretty crappy day and everyone's posts are making me laugh which is good.

My favorite Batman character was The Riddler played by Jim Carrey and Two Face whom was played by Tommy Lee Jones. Jim was way to funny and to me I'm not sure they could have found someone else to play that part.

What do you all think?

Tommy's Two Face was great. Its nice to see him in a movie where hes not a cop.

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

Actually, in movies, the villains were much more interesting than the ever changing actors playing Batman. The series was great, they could be as campy as they liked and we all loved it.

I for one can hardly wait for tomorrow's question. Perhaps they will hit yet another low in BORING.

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 8 months ago

Ceallach, I'm SO glad someone else used the word "campy" in this forum.

C'mon... the fauxhawk, the short purple jacket and a carnation with coat tails to boot... The Joker is as queer as brunch.

Carmenilla 12 years, 8 months ago

Hey GreenEyedBlues (love that handle)....You seem to have picked up a few unsuspecting male admirers with your first comment of the day. Those guys would probably crap themselves iffin' they realized that you're a gay man. I guess now they will. But man, it gave me a chuckle! Thanks for the laugh and I too love the word campy. It prefectly describes Uma's acting in that terrible Batman movie. At least hers was intentional. What's Ah-nold's excuse?

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

Italianprincess, Tommy Lee Jones as Two-face is my fave also. If you want to see an EARLY T.L.J. movie, go out and rent "Nate and Hayes" if you haven't seen it already. (He's not a cop in that one, either)

ms_canada 12 years, 8 months ago

No, actually they will be disappointed that they can't eavesdrop. They just pretended to be upset with us. Now I'll have to find a way to contact fangorn. Aw, but then that would spoil all their fun.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

dtrybom: Are you talking about Dark Knight Returns or Knightfall? They're two different stories, but both could be excellent movies. DKR was mid-80s and was a four-issue graphic novel set sometime in the future when Batman hadn't been seen for 10 years. Knightfall was a storyline woven into all the Batman titles about 12 years ago. The "replacement" Batman, Jean Paul Valley, was also Azrael, an avenging angel type. This character is now, thankfully, dead. He was cheesier than a Wisconsin tourism bureau commercial.

Fangorn 12 years, 8 months ago

ms_canada: I'd thought about doing this anyway, but since you mention it, I've set up a new email account.

Anyone who cares to can contact me at Certainly this board will be the preferred environment for most, but I welcome anyone who wants off-line interaction for whatever reason. Please take care that you don't reveal your LJWorld identity unless you intend to. Most won't need to be asked, but for those who do, please don't abuse this address or spam it. I will appreciate your courtesy.

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

Fangorn: I agree the board is the preferred environment for discussing question of the day, politics, round abouts :) but when I feel like bragging about my family I know a few posters can get a little edgy. And when some folks get edgy they get nasty.

Speaking of family :) I attended a Second Grade Recognition Ceremony -- so cute! Each student received their semester folder and the teacher read their list of participation awards, Junior Achievement, Summer Reading Program, etc. They were so cute and each child knew their work was noticed and appreciated. Next best thing to being in the 2nd grade is watching your child or grandchild beaming as they hear their awards read.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 8 months ago

Ceallach, Since it's late, I might not get zapped. Since you were telling about attending a 2nd grade R.C., thought I'd share my daughters 5th grade program. It ended with all the 5th graders ('bout 150 of them!) doing Otis Redding's "What a Wonderful World" in sign language. One of the most beautiful things I have ever seen! I'm not ashamed to say...I cried (I wasn't the only one). It was just too great not to share...hope you don't mind. (I'm tearing up again. One of those powerful memories I'll take with me.) They grow up so fast. Snif, snif.

ms_canada 12 years, 8 months ago

sue - thank you for sharing that beautiful moment with us. Our children can certainly bring us some precious times. And you know what, it doesn't stop there. I have 4 wonderful grandsons who fill my life with even more precious moments. You young folks have that to look forward to. One thing I, as a senior, would like to tell you. It may not be all a bed of roses. Your young ones may not always do you proud. They may bring some grief into your days. But one thing I have learned that can get you through those times is to love them even more when the bad times come. Just love them and let them know it. Let them know that you love them. Don't stop loving them. Love can work miracles. It's true.

Ceallach 12 years, 8 months ago

sunflower_sue: what a happy coincidence, the two 2nd grade classes joined for several projects over the school year. A friend of one teacher put together a lovely video using pictures of the kids doing their various projects. My granddaughter has a special friend in the other grade, a lovely child with many challenges due to being born to an addict mother who thankfully allowed adoption. The theme of the video was "What a Wonderful World." My child told me she was sorry I could not see the art the two of them had contributed (children holding hands around a drawing of the Earth) but her friend loved it so much she thought they should have it.

As you probably guessed, more than one tear was shed as the video played :)

Thanks for sharing.

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