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Have you ever contested a speeding ticket?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on July 10, 2005

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“No. I never speed, but I know someone who has. I think she ended up paying to get a diversion.”

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“No. I had nothing to contest. They caught me so I just paid. There’s no sense in fighting it.”

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“No. Actually I just paid one I got recently. Although I have heard from people here that it’s common to contest tickets of all kinds.”

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“Yes. I contested one because the sign was covered with trees and bushes. If they are going to post signs, they need to make sure they’re visible to the public.”

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jonas 9 years, 4 months ago

No, but when I killed all of the witnesses, they had to let me go anyway.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

Lawrence does not post speed limit signs generously as is obvious within many neighborhoods. I would like to see a 25MPH speed limit throughout the city neighborhoods. In my opinion the time has come.

I request that the city commissioners as a matter of continuity and safety set the 25MPH neighborhood speed limit ASAP. This speed limit has been observed in many Kansas City metro area neighborhoods.

indythinker 9 years, 4 months ago

Oh yeah, and at worst, you can always plead down to a lesser charge if he does show up...

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

I also suggest using red paint for the lettering and numbers as red is a eye catching color. Keeping tree limbs cut back is not a bad idea either.

pierced_daisy 9 years, 4 months ago

Ahhhh yes, getting caught speeding in lawrence. My favorite is when an officer on foot was hiding behind bushes in a turn-about with a radar gun and ran after me trying to give me a ticket. I pulled over just purely for the fact that a police officer waving a large metal instrument was something to figure out. Only, I figured out it was for a ticket. I was so amused that I couldnt stop laughing and paid the ticket.

indythinker 9 years, 4 months ago

Yes!!! On two occasions I decided to fight tickets that I felt were unjustly served due to the given circumstances. On both occasions both were dismissed merely because the police officer did not show up to court.

A little time-about 4 hours total (1 court day for arraingment(plead NOT GUILTY by the way), and 1 court day for trial) saved me countless dollars in fines and insurance rate hikes.

It's a gamble, but unless you really f'd up, the cop isn't going to waste his time coming to see you in court.

sunflower_sue 9 years, 4 months ago

YES!!! When I was 16 I contested a ticket. I wasn't speeding (at that particular time). The cop and her attorney showed up. I had to represent myself. I got cross examined and got to call a witness to the stand (my Mom). What a learning experience! The charges were dismissed because the cop wrote down the wrong street address. (Technicality) I like to think it was because the judge knew how crooked she was.

Later, the cop was dismissed for repeatedly bouncing bad checks. JUSTICE!!!

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 4 months ago

To whoever it was that said "sitting behind a bush, in the dark is entrapment"...you need a little work on your vocabulary. That is not entrapment - that is observing you speeding. Entrapment would be if they pretended they weren't cops, asked you to speed, you do and then you get a citation. Just because they don't turn on their lights and announce their presence with a bullhorn, it doesn't mean that it's "shady".

lunacydetector 9 years, 4 months ago

don't let the insurance companies screw you over always fight your ticket always schedule a trial date, then call the DA and see if you can get the ticket changed to a non-moving violation.... he or she might say, 'yes.'

happygolucky 9 years, 4 months ago

LPD is SO shady on how they hide. Most cops run speeding scams left and right. I like to call local radio stations and let them know where they are hiding. They usually broadcast it it. As far as getting caught speeding, I always get the best radar detecter out there. Lawrence needs Cops without Ego problems.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 4 months ago

Good lord, what a bunch of friggin' whiners you all are! "Oh, boo hoo, poor little me...I was speeding and the mean and nasty cop gave me a ticket. He must have been on an ego trip or dirty because I was only going 60 in a 45!"

No wonder this country is in trouble. With citizens like you, who only want to place the blame on somebody else and scream out "injustice", it's no wonder that we're going down the crapper.

italianprincess 9 years, 4 months ago

I can proudly say that I have never been given a speeding ticket or moving violation for that matter. I simply don't speed, so therefore they have no reason to bother me. My little one is with me most of the time while I'm drving so why put his life in danger by speeding.

People get pissed because I drive the speed limit, but who cares what they think. I just figure that they will be bummed when they get pulled over for driving like an #%& and thats not my problem. I get the last laugh when I drive by them trying to talk themselves out of a ticket. Its very amusing to watch.

local_support 9 years, 4 months ago

Lawrence makes a lot of $$$ off of citations, just don't speed and you won't have to turn over your hard earned cash over to the state.

dacs23 9 years, 4 months ago

I take pride in the thought that I may have paid for many of the roads in Lawrence, tickets are like voluntary taxes and I'm glad to help, but come on, giving a ticket for crossing the yellow line pulling into the south side post office parking spaces while going east bound on 7th , who hasn't done that? Then there was the ticket for riding my bike on the sidewalk downtown. My favorite is doing a California roll at the yield sign from Iowa to 9th, cops love to sit on that back street behind the gas station. I finally resigned to date a cops sister so I could get the inside info.

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

Not in Lawrence. Over the years I have received 2 speeding tickets in Lawrence, I was speeding, so I paid the ticket. I do not drive with the intention of speeding wherever I think I can get away with it. An officer hiding behind the bush has nothing to do with my speed. My negligence is usually at fault, not the location of a police officer.

The root of Prof. Bavel's contesting of the ticket was his belief that he was not speeding and should not have been cited. I once worked in the same building as Zamir, he is a very nice man, and one of strong character. Not speeding, or intentionally breaking other societal restrictions, has been a way of life for him. He may lose his appeals -- innocent people do lose appeals of all sorts -- but that will not make him guilty. He sets a good example of when people should appeal tickets.

It's true, our judicial system needs an overhaul, starting from the ground up. But citizens also need to be responsible for their actions. If we start deciding when laws are reasonable and only abiding by those we think are just, where does it stop?

The courts are already tied up with guilty people who plead innocent, hire some slick lawyer, and do their best to get away with whatever their infraction happened to be. Being found "Not Guilty" is not the same as being "Innocent." The old "if they can't prove it, I didn't do it" mentality is extracting a high toll on our society. Our children are learning from us. We complain about some "real" criminal who gets away with a crime because their lawyer found a loophole in the law, then rejoice because we can get away with traffic violations if the officer, for whatever reason, is not able to appear in court.

Mister_Joe: the only speeding ticket I ever contested was one I got on I-70, just east of Hays. The officers out there are truly without mercy! (It was however dismissed by the judge.) I have always heard that the Highway Patrol makes no exceptions and gives everyone tickets, leaving it to the judge to determine whether or not circumstances warranted the driver's actions. It may not be true, but I don't know anyone who ever got past the HP without a ticket. Don't know for sure, that's just what I heard.

blueblood 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey dacs23, maybe the problem is that there's a STOP sign at 9th and Iowa, not a yield sign, there's just a slight difference in appearance. But nice try trying to blame the cops for your driving mistakes. Don't worry though, that's what everyone in this town does.

Harry_Manback 9 years, 4 months ago

Trying to protest a ticket is futile (at least in Lenexa where I tried to a few years ago). It's the cops word against yours (even though I had several witnesses), and who are they going to believe? A veteren cop or a 17 year old girl?

dacs23 9 years, 4 months ago

Blueblood:thanks for the correction of my interpretive typo, after the ticket I also made the distinction. Though careless at times, I'm always accountable. No blame intended. When my girlfriend got the exact same ticket and, well, lets say her fine was not so high. (You make the connection from previous post.) I actually harassed her about accountability.

happygolucky 9 years, 4 months ago

Damn, there are SO many goody to shoes here. Yes I speed, and sometimes get a ticket. When I get nailed dead to rights, I just mail it in, but there are some cops who are just shady. But you all wouldn't know that due to your head firmly planted in their butt. I was not pushing blame as just pointing out the tricks cops pull. It is pure BS to hide behind something and have your buddy flag them over down the street, sit in the dark shadows with no parking lights and such. That is entrapment(sp). Always has been. Now go kiss the mans butt somewhere else.

1derer 9 years, 4 months ago

happygolucky, is that user name intended to be a misnomer or do I only catch the crabby posts you make? Driving within the speed limit is not kissing the man's butt, if you think so, it is your thinking that is twisted, not ours.

btw I believe it is goody goody two shoes, or do you consider using the right expression to also be kissing the man's butt?

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

Actually, it seems to be "Goody Two Shoes" (only one goody). According to Google . . . . . (silence as all reveres the name of Google, most excellent search engine)

It comes from the title of a rather twee and moralistic nursery tale called The History of Goody Two-Shoes, which is thought to have been written by Oliver Goldsmith, and which was published in 1765 by John Newbery, one of the earliest London publishers of children's stories. Goody owned only one shoe. When she was given a pair of them, she was so pleased that she showed them to everybody, saying "Two shoes". The phrase now refers to a self-righteous, smugly virtuous person.

italianprincess 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't feel I'm a Goody Two Shoes at all. Just because I follow the law, drive the speed limit, and have never been given a speeding ticket doesn't make me one either.

I'm just one of those layed back kind of people whos not in a hurry to get anywhere that fast.

Speed kills and I'm not going to take a chance on killing myself, my kids or someone else out there.

Slow down people.........lifes to short to rush.

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

Whoa now Goody Two Shoes!!! I was merely clarifying terms used erroneously by happygolucky and 1derer. That was the definition furnished by the great Google, not an accusation made by the great Ceallach. I don't know who is and who is not a Goody Two Shoes (although, sometimes I have seen indications . . . well, that's another issue :)

As stated earlier, I find nothing wrong with people trying to drive within the speed limits. I do not happen to think that makes us Goody Two Shoes, just grown ups.

Just wanted to clear my name ;)

Fangorn 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm always amused when someone suddenly discovers another poster's sex, or in GEB's case, sexual preference. It's sometimes hard to tell and after a while we make assumptions without even realizing it.

I haven't been pulled over for speeding in about 8 years. I haven't gotten a ticket for speeding since 1993. Now that isn't to say that I don't speed (sorry, IP, I just can't help it!). I did contest a ticket in KC in 1992. After two court appearances with no officer showing up, the ticket was dismissed.

Fangorn 9 years, 4 months ago

extreme: In an odd coincidence, Flagstaff was the last place I got a speeding ticket.

GreenEyedBlues 9 years, 4 months ago

!!!!! Extreme I'm gonna cry! !!!!! Thanks a ton for the compliment.

Did anyone see that tabloid cover of JFK Jr. and Di? Supposedly, they had something of a tryst etc. I think that's really shtty considering they're both dead and can't vouch for themselves. They got so much tabloid hounding while they were alive, [especially Lady Di]. That sht don't quit, even after the famous faces are gone.

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

Thanks h_and_k, I needed some support! Although, seems like extreme wasn't just picking on me because I am a woman, since he/she apparently thought I was a man -- now that would require a VERY extreme makeover :-)

I've been see-yuck for over a week and this is my welcome back :( Woe is me. I try to be a good girl, I don't speed, I clarify mis-phrasologies when possible and this is the thanks I get (is that female enough extreme?(8-)

pierced_daisy 9 years, 4 months ago

Ceallach: first of all, your listing accuses me of putting the location of the police officer at fault for my speeding. Did I ever once in my posting accuse the police officer for being at fault? No, I did not. I infact posted that I pulled over and paid the ticket because I was amused at the police officer's ingenuity. Yes, I was speeding, and yes I paid the fine. I claimed nothing else. I knew I was wrong and would appreciate you not using my circumstance to further your claim of people trying to get out of tickets being as I did not try to do that.

Hong_Kong_Phooey : I never said "sitting being a bush, in the dark is entrapment". I saw that in no other post so I am assuming that you are making stuff up. I never thought what the cops in lawrence did was shady in THAT incident. Thats why I pulled over instead of merely laughing while driving off and having a policeman on foot chase after me.

THANK YOU

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 4 months ago

"...there are some cops who are just shady. But you all wouldn't know that due to your head firmly planted in their butt. I was not pushing blame as just pointing out the tricks cops pull. It is pure BS to hide behind something and have your buddy flag them over down the street, sit in the dark shadows with no parking lights and such. That is entrapment(sp). Always has been. Now go kiss the mans butt somewhere else." -Posted by Happygolucky @ 6:10pm

Pierced Daisy: Try verifying your facts before you accuse me of making stuff up. It helps. Really, it does.

Liberty 9 years, 4 months ago

No matter how you paint it, you are contributing to the judges retirement fund when you get a ticket and furthering the preventive justice system. I prefer common law which is what this country was built on. You must show an actual damage to get a ticket. Exceeding the speed limit has not damaged anyone.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 4 months ago

Liberty, by your theory, then someone should be injured in an accident because somebody else was speeding in order to get a ticket for it. I don't really care for that. Personally, (and I doubt I'm alone on this) I'd rather have the police issuing tickets to people before they hurt somebody for their speeding. That way maybe they'll slow down and the wreck that would be required in your system will be avoided.

Liberty 9 years, 4 months ago

HKP, by your theory, all rights would be gone because someone might break a rule. Thought crimes, where no wrong was done, just a thought that others didn't approve of.

When people acting in the name of government violate ethics, they break trust with "We the People". The natural result is for "We the People" to pull back power (our honor and allegiance). This loss of power creates fear for those losing the power. Those people acting in the name of government often seek to regain or at least hold on to their power by sounding legitimate in their quest for control, through more and more laws and force is often used. Unchecked power is the foundation for tyranny.

The jury should be used to control this abuse of power and contain it. This prevents bloodshed by peacefully removing power from those who have abused it. The jury is the primary means for the peaceable restoration of Liberty, power and honor to 'We the People', where power should reside.

The communist manifesto teaches the citizens to give up their Rights for the sake of the "common good," but it always ends in a police state. It implements a system called preventive justice, the object of which is control.

We should give up wrongs, not Rights. The Constitutional Bill of Rights is based on punitive justice. It is not until one damages another's person or property that he can be punished. (Common law = Common Sense)

Preventive justice is a Marxist system that leads to bondage.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 9 years, 4 months ago

Thoughts are not breaking the law. Speeding is an act that violates the speed limit law. Damage done.

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

pierced . . . .

I did not accuse you of anything. It is in fact, you who are personalizing my comments by taking them as accusations against you.

I was not using YOUR circumstance. Read the posts, many, many readers made comments about the location of police office. If you insist on taking this personally there is nothing more I can say except, you are wrong about my post.

If you have been on the board very long you should know that if I think someone, in particular, is wrong, I have no qualms about talking with them directly. I did not do so because I was not addressing you.

It is my hope that you do not have hard feelings about this matter.

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