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Do you think the “T” should merge with KU on Wheels?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on July 7, 2005

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Photo of Matt Davis

“Yes, I do. I think it would be more helpful for everyone.”

Photo of Tyler Horken

“It would make me very happy to see that happen. It would be cheaper for students and it just makes more sense. It’s the logical thing to do.”

Photo of Katie Keating

“Yes, they should, because the KU on Wheels buses don’t have bike racks and you could go more places with one pass.”

Photo of Kristen Cowan

“It makes sense since the campus and city are so interrelated.”

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average 12 years, 9 months ago

Of course it should, what kind of nitwit would think two bus systems for a town this size makes sense?

Mind you, lots of decisions about the T have seemed dumb. First, the most popular route on the system, number 8 across campus, only runs every 1 hour 20 minutes, half the frequency of every other T route. KU is where the parking problems are, the carless student population is, etc, so why does it have less service than anywhere else?

Also, any transit system I've seen for a city under a million people works on a "Pulse" system. That is, all the busses come to a central location for transfers at the exact same time, and don't leave till every bus makes it in and people transfer. Not in Lawrence. They took the Pulse model and bastardized it with half the busses pulsing every 20 minutes, plus a 23rd Street route that connects very poorly with the other busses.

The reason the "pulse" system and the 23rd route happened so badly is because the T made 9th and Mass the holy-of-holy epicenter of town. Get a map out, folks, that's not the center of town anymore! Even a couple of blocks from downtown, they could have bought some room for a transit center. Instead, we're stuck trying to transfer at a corner without enough room for eight busses, thus the staggered pulses. Hopefully a merger with KU on Wheels would move the focus of the system to campus (a little closer to the center of town), and out of downtown (where the idling busses are in the way.

neopolss 12 years, 9 months ago

They certainly are going with "safe" questions for the past two days.

Bill Martin 12 years, 9 months ago

I wouldn't mind at all, I'm disabled, but would be able to make it to the KU bus that goes by my complex, but the nearest T stop is too far for me to walk, so I use the T for disabled people. So in nice weather, not to cold or icy and only going to go to the library or such, it would make more sense for me to use the KU bus. However, there are those times that using the paratransit system is much more important for safety reasons and it will take me straight to and from my home. I would hate to see this sucked up into another system or lost altogether. So any merger of the T and KU would be fine if it combined to bring a better route system, but at the same time not forget the paratransit system.

Reader 12 years, 9 months ago

What A Great Way To Get Pulled Out Of The Red! Do You Think They'll Merge With "Eagle Bend" Also, And Pull Them Out Too! Who? Would Foot The Bill If There Were Such A Merge?

happyone 12 years, 9 months ago

There are reasons for both sides on this one. So a sticky situation arises. 1. the T is funded by the gov't the KU is funded by the students

  1. Because the T is gov't they must have handicap accesable buses, my understanding is that the KU buses are not.

  2. If these two systems merge what amount of gov't funding will be lost/gained. What will this do to the amount of money the students currently pay.

  3. Will the merge get the older KU buses off the road their pollution is awful!

  4. If they do merge the paratransit system needs to stay. Perhaps have more buses added so that those that NEED those buses don't have to set up their rides 2-3 days in advance.

enochville 12 years, 9 months ago

I am for it. I don't know what cons there would be. I have heard something about funding subsidies for the T.

lunacydetector 12 years, 9 months ago

the T is a huge money loser. when the 1 rider per hour increased to 2 riders per hour, the headline exclaimed "100% increase in T ridership." the T needs over 10,000 riders per day, 360 days a year, just to break even. that's so the city (the taxpayer) doesn't have to subsidize $2 million per year. at 50 cents per ride, not taking into account the 1/2 price fares, over 10,000 per day will be achievable when lawrence has a few hundred thousand more in population. but the way things are going in lawrence, that will never happen.

so when only the very rich can afford to live here, will all the very rich use the bus? the future of the T is doomed. get out now before it costs the taxpayers more money. -like the eagle bend golf course.

average 12 years, 9 months ago

Kasold Street is a huge money loser. For forty years now, it hasn't broke even, not once, let alone turned a profit. Now, the city comissioners have the nerve to put another $3 million down that rat-hole. I've never used Kasold, and I don't know anyone who does. I say, if it's not viable, let the market decide.

happyone 12 years, 9 months ago

average: Since you don't use Kasold you obviously are unaware of how many people DO you Kasold. Most of the people in west lawrence use Kasold. With out Kasold Iowa would be a nightmare, worse than it already is!

Janet Lowther 12 years, 9 months ago

The KU on Wheels busses & the "T" almost certainly would have become a unified service if the City Commission had not chosen an out of town operator for the "T."

The Lawrence Bus Company, which operates KU on Wheels made a competitive bid to operate the service but was rejected as the operator of the "T" because they only had experience operating busses in Lawrence, where the out of town folks had experience in two cities, and Lawrence would be their third.

Somehow "Buy Local" does not apply to bus operating companies.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 9 months ago

Does anything we have to say here amount to anything compared to what happened in London this morning? What of that?

muffaletta 12 years, 9 months ago

The Lawrence Bus Company was rejected from running busses in Lawrence because they'd only run busses in Lawrence?

Wow. Impressive.

grilled_cheese 12 years, 9 months ago

I have never left a movie. I have muttered through a movie, though. I can always MST3k the movie, and it gets about 15 x's more interesting. Either that, or make out with someone.

Back on topic: The poor T....

bankboy119 12 years, 9 months ago

First off for the movie, yes my wife and I left Sin City. The previews were completely different than the show. It was absolutely disgusting.

As for the bus mergers, actually since KU is a public university it gets gov't funds as well. The T is just another waste of taxpayer money. Once they are combined it will be a better system for everyone. Students will have more access to Lawrence because of more stops and we won't have the waste of a bus being driven around with 1 or 2 people in it.

bankboy119 12 years, 9 months ago

Oh and because of the merger we will also be saving enough gas that the government standard of 55mph will not be needed and we will supporting our troops. Also there will be less emissions so the world will stay green and the environmentalists will be happy as well. And since the world will be greener then the animals will have more places to stay and PETA will be happy too.

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

I've always wondered why the 2 bus systems aren't merged. Anything to get those black smoke spewing outdated KU buses off the road would be fine with me. I think the T buses are lovely but underutilized. Let them combine and maybe everyone will stop complaining about the T.

The only movie I've ever walked out of was a terrible Bruce Willis flick "Last Man Standing". It was a really bad "gangster" movie set in the '40's. The script was so ludicrous and the gun fighting was so contrived I wished someone had shot me.

Also bankboy119, if you'd known anything about the original "Sin City" comics by Frank Miller you wouldn't have been surprised. That movie was a faithful adaptation of the graphic novels. They are very very violent and dark. That movie was right on the money but it sure ain't for everyone!

bankboy119 12 years, 9 months ago

Haha I know you're right now, but I sure didn't then. We both thought it was just going to be a great movie because of the way it was filmed. We were in for a surprise though. They couldn't really put all of the stuff on the previews though because it was inappropriate. Not complaining though, it was our fault for not checking it out. We got our money back too.

wichita_reader 12 years, 9 months ago

If the T and KU bus merger would cuts costs (and ulitimately taxpayer funding of the T), I generally think it would be a good idea.

Never left a movie at the theater, but have stopped many rentals mid-viewing. The most recent being "Envy," with Jack Black and Ben Stiller. Major disappointment.

Speaking of stupid comedy, anyone else think the LJW toned down Matt Davis' title from "package handler" to "box handler"?

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

Both are dirty if you think about it, wichita_reader!

wichita_reader 12 years, 9 months ago

True, and with that smirk on Matt's face, it kind of makes you wonder.

penguin 12 years, 9 months ago

There is one reason and one reason alone why the city wants this to occur. The money they get from the Govt is dependent upon ridership. They need to find a way to get ridership numbers up. What is the best way to do that....aquire KU's ridership.

If you think it cuts costs....think again. I kinda wonder what Lawrence Bus Co.'s opinion is on this matter. KU doesnt own the buses, but the bus company does. If this is the case and KU merges with a system that requires ADA compliance....who is buying these new buses, because I know the city wont want to change their routes. Or if the city is going to give KU new buses for on campus routes...than we can talk :)

This is a big problem as will the T accomidate students? A good number of their stops are not located in student friendly places or are just not coordinated with student stops. Also will the city make concessions at the past they have been unwilling at best to give up any power.

Right now students run the bus system on campus and use student fee money and bus passes to pay for it. Student also run it 100% I doubt that will occur if there is a merger and the city will run the system into the ground.

Seriously the city will make a power grab....they already cant run 1 bus system...why make it larger.

In the end, this is an attempt for the City to hold onto their Govt support by increasing ridership. Don't think it will save money, because it wont. It only ensures tax payer money will keep going to the T, because now they will be able to satisfy their ridership requirements.

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

Who's head is in the gutter now, TOB? LOL!!!

Tony Kisner 12 years, 9 months ago

How does kasold make money? I'm lost on that one.

Tony Kisner 12 years, 9 months ago


I have walked out of several movies too bad to admit to going to. But if I leave early I ask for my money back and have never been refused.

acg 12 years, 9 months ago

I walked out on Starship Troopers. Man what a waste of 2 hours of my life. I tried hard to sit thru the whole thing and only missed like the last 10 minutes. But when Doogie Houser (I can never remember that guy's real name) said "It's the brain bug, and he's afraid!!" I knew it was time for me to go!

grilled_cheese 12 years, 9 months ago

OH! One time, waaaaay back in the day, my friends and I got so disgruntled with the movie "In and Out", that we started to throw Gummi Bears at the screen to see if we could get them to stick. By the end of the movie, I think we had at least two...

Anyway, in response to sunflower_sue, I know I will get bombarded enough by various news sources by the tragic news of the events unfolding in London, it's nice to have a funny reprieve here on this forum from the atrocities of the world. Well, one might consider the T an atrocity, so maybe not so much, but you get the point...

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

acg, you gotta know that that movie was full on tongue-in-cheek! When lines like "Kill 'em all!!!" and "At least I had you...." are uttered you know you can't take that movie seriously.

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

Forget Lulu, consumer1. She's nothing compared to that John1945 guy. He's a paranoid wacko of the first degree!

Tom_Foolery you really are a raunchy guy ;-p That's saying something coming from me, ya know. You silly wabbit!

kansaskev61 12 years, 9 months ago

I don't think the two should merge. The perfect solution would be for the T to become a mobile homeless shelter. The homeless could ride the T all day n total comfort. Then we wouldn't have the empty shuttles driving around Lawrence. Each bus would be at capacity for the first time since it's inception. The homeless could sleep in the air-conditioned and heated cars so this issue of inadequate homeless shelters could be put to rest. They could then be shuttled to their meals and to city paid health care. The Mental Health workers could come to them and then no need to harp on the closing of the Mental Health facility at LMH. The T shuttles are very comfortable and it would keep the homeless off the streets so all the shoppers from Johnson County won't be distressed by the sight of them on Massachusett's street. The T could continue to be funded by the government, which would make the lawmakers in Lawrence happy because it won't effect the tax base and the tax payers won't mind because their taxes are going to "Help" those more unfortunate than themselves. KU would be happier as they won't have to merge the T line with the KU Bus line and the students won't have to be subjected to riding with the unwashed humanity of Lawrence proper. Making the T a Moble Homeless Shelter is a Win Win situation for everyone involved.

jonas 12 years, 9 months ago

UnoMasBob: What I liked the best about Starship Troopers was that there was a huge thermonuclear war, yet everyone's hair was perfect. All the same, watching the 90210 crowd get speared, mauled, ripped in half, etc. made the movie for me.

Lunacydetector: The purpose of the T is not to break even, and it's value can't be looked at in black and white profit numbers. It also enables a large number of people, who could not afford cars or other forms of transportation, to enter and exist in working society where they may not otherwise have been able to do so. The money those people then make and spend helps the economy and, my guess, is enough to make the T at least a worthwhile asset.

And it's not because they sign my paychecks. I've never cared too much about company loyalty.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 9 months ago

Grilled cheese, you are right. I guess I just felt guilty talking about merging busses and bad movies when something horrific was going on somewhere else. (Yes, I know horrific stuff goes on everyday but this is somehow different.) It will probably be tomorrow's topic, anyway. Guess we can all live in our "happy bubbles" for another day.

OK, for bad movies: Never left a movie because it was bad but have wanted to bang some parents' heads together for allowing their kids to run around, cry, and whine during an entire movie. My sister said that one time this happened to her and so afterwards she asked for her money back and they did refund her.

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

I'm with you sue! Don't bring your kids to movies if they can't control themselves. Even worse don't take your small children to movies that are totally inappropriate for them!!! I went to see "Bad Santa" with some friends and was shocked and disgusted to see a handful of small children in the audience. That movie is not kid-friendly nor is it a good way to disspell the Santa Clause myth.

Next time, I'll ask for my money back!

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

Not only kids that can't control themselves but the kids that YOU (the parents) can't control!

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 9 months ago

I have a feeling Carmenilla gets her panties twisted easily and often.

snoozey 12 years, 9 months ago

I love the idea of making the T bus rolling homeless shelters as proposed by kansaskev61, particularly so if they kept on rolling out of the city limits. Both are mindless boondoggles, placards for the corruption in larryville's grubby politics.

jonas 12 years, 9 months ago

yes, yes, because the solution to the homeless is to make them go somewhere else. the problem, of course, is somewhere else is just about always someone else's somewhere (?) Let me know, out of curiosity, when you find somewhere that is no one else's somewhere (or perhaps you could say everyone else's nowhere) and we can at least talk about it.

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

I think all the homeless should go to a desert island and have a reality TV show. It could be called "Surviving".

I liked your purposely confusing post jonas.

jonas 12 years, 9 months ago

You give me too much credit. That just sort of happened.

hottruckinmama 12 years, 9 months ago

Carmenilla..Girl some of your posts are just nasty. If you want a man why don't you just take out an ad?

Carmenilla 12 years, 9 months ago

hottruckinmama, obviously you haven't read some of my previous posts. I am a happily married woman with no need for a personal ad. I also have a sense of humor. You should look into getting one for yourself.

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