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Do people in Lawrence take the fireworks ban seriously?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on July 5, 2005

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“Absolutely not. As long as you’re safe about it, I think it’s all right.”

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“No. I spent most of the day shooting off fireworks in my neighborhood with the rest of my neighbors, and no one came by.”

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“For the most part. Periodically, you hear some go off, but for the most part they do.”

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“I don’t think so, because I heard some go off last night.”

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l_eustacy 11 years, 8 months ago

The priorities; No fireworks for safety reason, but the ridiculous roundabouts and speedbumps are deliberate hazards. Try driving a motorcycle over the speedbumps. Checkout how many drivers go the wrong way at the Goldfield/8th st. roundabout. I don't blame the drivers; it's the idiots who decided to put up the traffic barriers. It has to stop.

GreenEyedBlues 11 years, 8 months ago

Of course the ban isn't taken seriously!

As we speak there is some rebel without a cause down the way lighting off single Black Cats one by one.

lunacydetector 11 years, 7 months ago

i wonder if mr. wallace will get a ticket since he confessed....

Richard Heckler 11 years, 7 months ago

NO The police dept has no interest in doing so. It was noisy until after midnight at least 1AM which is one reason many wanted the ban. Some people need to get up the next morning,have pets that become nervous wrecks or it keeps young children awake. Lack of respect for others and or their property.

JohnS 11 years, 7 months ago

Firewroks breed voilence no matter how much you protest the law of the land and is why got the ban because nobody do and epoeple get hurt lightning them off they need ban around the country cause firewroks are anitaAmerican.

Amen brother.

mefirst 11 years, 7 months ago

Now let's see if those responsible fire works users will be responsible enough to clean up the mess they leave. Walked by a house on Michigan St. looked like a mine field/garbage dump with all the fireworks debris.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Of course not! I heard fireworks going off until 1 am last night and the night before. Not to mention all the roman candles that were visible.

christie 11 years, 7 months ago

Nope. Nobody cares. Not even the cops. I saw cops drive right next to groups of people going fire-works nuts. They didn't care in the least. I didn't either, except when it went on and on and on, into the 1:00 a.m. - 2:00 a.m. time.

BunE 11 years, 7 months ago

no offense all, but roundabouts are pretty darn easy to navigate. I am not sure if they are better than a light or stop sign setup, but turning right in order to go where you want seems pretty logical.

The smoke was thick and I could just barely think above the din, it was like bagdad or the mekong. Drive i-70 at about 11:30, BATTLEZONE.

Driving to work this morning exposed the nastiness of our neighbors, wrappers, duds, burned crap everywhere. Classy!

Yay America!

neopolss 11 years, 7 months ago

I would hope most will ignore the ban. There's many good reasons to. For one, the wasted tax payer dollars fielding firework noise complaints is ridiculous. The ban has simply cost more money without any results. Secondly, if litter was the problem, it should have been the focus, and not banning the fireworks. Enact an ordinance that requires firework messes to be cleaned up by the 6th before citations are issued for littering. Let's be honest folks, we're not going to clean up the day of, especially since it is usually too dark to see everything anyway. Lastly, the complaints about noise come from individuals who obviously cannot be satisfied, and can't handle two days out of the year. I'm not worried about waking a sleeping child. Believe me, they sleep like bricks.

Last of all, I'd like to thank the city of Lawrence for killing what used to be a very enjoyable holiday. It used to be that everyone in the neighborhood would be out in their driveways, kids lighting fireworks, parents listening to music, firing up the grill. It was a fun festive holiday. Drive down the streets now and you'll find empty streets, quiet neighborhoods, and the occaisional scattering of a fireworks rebel. It is saddening to see it like this.

Fireworks are supposed to represent the sounds of battle. It's a tribute to the American Revolution.

Forget the mess folks, forget the noise. It's temporary. Let go of your concerns and your expectations of high society and enjoy the holiday for once!

sunflower_sue 11 years, 7 months ago

Living outside of city limits, I can't comment on the respect of the ban. But I will say, before the ban, when we drove in to watch the fireworks at the river, kids used to shoot fireworks off in the street and even point them at your car. Haven't been back since.

Now, we just have lots of friends come out to our house in the country, shoot off mortars 'til around midnight, then call it a day. The mess can wait 'til morning. The kids don't even scoff at cleaning up the mess because if they don' BOOM next year! Organized and efficient!

If any of my neighbors complained, I'd tell them to get over it. It's only one night a year. The pets will live, we've had enough rain to throughly wet eveything, and you might just be a little sleepy on Tuesday at work. Big deal.

mert1717 11 years, 7 months ago

I think this year was the mellowest years I can remember. Sure fireworks were going off and such but I didn't hear to much after 11:30 in our neighborhood.

I don't think anyone cared about the ban though. Still people shooting them in our area.

italianprincess 11 years, 7 months ago

Last night was another 4th at my mom's house in N Lawrence. We did our bbq, at way to much great food and watched the neighbors get drunk like every year.

After eating and waiting until it got dark enough, we all headed outside to watch the firework show from her front lawn. Its nice to be able to see them there and not have to get eaten alive near the river.

Of course we shot off a few fireworks in the driveway and if you drive by her house you will see there is no mess left from last night. Yes people of Lawrence we cleaned up our mess and it looks like we never lit off a thing.

About 10:15 we took the kids to the Tee Pee to shoot off the rest of them and watch other shoot off theirs also. We also cleaned up our mess at the Tee Pee too.

Another 4th has gone by, the kids had a blast and it was great. We got home around 11:15, had my youngest shower to wash off the bug spray and hes still sleeping.

Hope all of you had a wonderful 4th this year and have a great day today.

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Seems to me we have a problem with this City's rules. Ban this, ban that, create roundabouts. First we ban smoking in bars, then we ban fireworks. Come on people, we have to come together & stop this ridiculous trend of infringements of our rights. Roundabouts cost $750,000? How about paying the 9-1-1 crews more money to keep us safe?! Boog Highberger has his priorities screwed up! I guess with roundabouts, Highberger does not care about our safety. What a HYPOCRITE!

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

The ban can't be practically enforced by the police dept. I think it exists so that there is a harsher legal recourse for the results of property damage.... which happens in Lawrence every year.

Liberty 11 years, 7 months ago

If we were in an actual war here, the same people would probably be moaning about the day and late night noise and the inconvenience of it all. Great Americans!

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

I miss shooting off in town, but city limits are not far away.

Fireworks are entertainment... a priviledge, not a right.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

We had fun going to the river. one of the better displays they've had. used lots of bug spray so didn't get munched. Had lots of fun playing frisbee with the kids. And best of all no mess to clean up :)

I see no need to have the ban the cops didn't do anything about it last night so why not just give litter citations like neopolss said and be done with it.

In the neighborhood we used to live in they would have a great time with the fireworks but the next morning everyone was out cleaning it up. No harm No litter. So whats the big deal.

neopolss 11 years, 7 months ago

That doesn't mean that they should be banned on account of a few whiners.

There's too many "negative nancies" in this town.

Liberty 11 years, 7 months ago

Linux, just who is worth of telling you if you are priviledged to do something? The government? Then you are a serf. Try reading the Declaration of Independence and renew your mind to what our country is all about.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

My thought is this since the City banned the use inside the limits then THEY should fund the Jaycee's display. The Jaycee's do all the fund raising for the display at the river and do a nice job. If the city would help fund it, it could be really awesome! Use the money one of those stupid round abouts cost! Just a thought

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

I agree with neopolss. If we want to talk about whether or not the ban is unreasonable, that's valid...

But all this talk about our human rights just makes the board sound bad.

Talk about human rights when people are hauled to jail for an indefinite period without any legal justification... or the government fails to inform us that Lawrence is sitting on a radioactive dump that is slowly giving everyone cancer... something like that... not the city-wide fireworks ban.

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

Liberty, no one has the "right" to blow up their neighbor's house.

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

anyway... i've got to go to class. Hope everyone had a happy 4th!

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

linux: maybe I misread Liberty but I don't think they said anything about blowing up houses

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Don't get me wrong, everyone, I had a nice 4th myself & hope you all did too. Let me be clear, saftey should be the City's #1 priority. That does NOT mean building roundabouts in a willy-nilly fashion when it costs MONEY, that's right your money & my money are being wasted on roundabouts. The money for roundabouts SHOULD be used to pay the ambulance crews, the Fire battalions & the police force extra money. If ordinances are not enforced, then off to File 13 they go.

Carmenilla 11 years, 7 months ago

Wow! Fireworks and roundabouts are all we have to complain about in Lawrence? We must have it pretty good. In other places, people are actually suffering and struggling. Doesn't anyone wanna take a break from the same old tired diatribe? I guess a 3 day weekend isn't long enough for some folks to relax and have fun.

And the ban is a joke. So what's the big deal?

acg 11 years, 7 months ago

rhd99, I'm getting that you feel pretty strongly about these roundabouts. I don't know...maybe it's just me, but it's a vibe I'm getting from you. :)

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Did anyone enjoy their favorite ice cream over the weekend?

stargazer 11 years, 7 months ago

Happyone--Im with you. The city should help pay for the Jaycee's display. And I think several areas with the displays around town would be nice. Let the city foot the bill.

Italian-- I too live in N. Lawrence. We had friends over to let the kids-3 and 7 yr olds shoot off kiddie fireworks. The guys made a few sparkler bombs though. And the mess was cleaned up last night. One lady did come into our driveway, and said if we had any big fireworks, to keep them in the house. Bring out few at a time, that the cops were taking them from people in N. Lawrence. Dont know about the rest of town.

We sat out in our yard and watched Jaycees display, which i might add was a lot nicer then in past yrs.

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

acg, you are right 100%. Now, Carmenilla, you are also correct. The bans are a joke as well. I am just saying as Americans (not North Koreans) in Lawrence, Kansas, we have freedoms, rights & privileges. We don't need numerous "Miss Manners" types of people in City Commission politics like Highberger. If he wants to be taken seriously, then complete the SLT!

MadMiddle 11 years, 7 months ago

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acg 11 years, 7 months ago

LOL I have to hand it to you there OMB. Boog? Come on! When you get to the position in life that he's gotten to, it's time to drop the stupid high school nicknames and grow up.

Sorry rhd99, I was just bustin' your chops. I totally agree about the roundabouts. I was with a friend last week who curb checked one of them on accident and flattened her tire. Now to be fair, she's a really crappy driver, but there are a lot of really crappy drivers in Lawrence and it makes no sense to me to put some massive concrete impediment in their way. They're lucky to be driving from point a to point b without mowing down bystanders as it is.

Staci Dark Simpson 11 years, 7 months ago

I think we are forgetting we are in America!! I moved from Lawrence because I was starting to feel like I was living in a communist nation!! No fireworks, no smoking, no circuses. What next? No fattening food? No barbeque grills? Anything can be dangerous if you are reckless. People die everyday from falling down stairs or slipping in showers and we are going to worry about fireworks on a few measly days out of the year? I have a small child and a pet and the fireworks were not a big deal!! I think if people want to start making all these crazy rules they need to buy some land, put up a big fence and never leave. They can not smoke, not shoot fireworks and make roundabouts on their on property!! Just my 2 cents!!

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

spacy don't give the commish any ideas next they'll ban showers!

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

I would love to see Highberger's reaction when one day it is proposed that the City fund the Jaycees' fireworks display since fireworks for individuals are banned w/in city limits. Highberger & others have a choice & only one choice: Lift the Fireworks ban or pay the Jaycees' fireworks display bill. Either way, Highberger won't like it. TOUGH!! That's why it's called POLITICS! Yes, I won't hide the fact that I DO NOT respect Highberger's decisions. He does not speak for the best interests of Lawrence KS. If he did, he would do everything possible to find better, higher paying jobs.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

I agree rhd! The pay in this town SUCKS!

Carmenilla 11 years, 7 months ago

If Lawrence is such a stinky hippie Communist enclave where all your rights are stripped away than whynot stop complaining and just move like spacystaci8? It seems like the rest of the state may be more to your liking. I am tired of the same old Lawrence bashing. Is there anything you complainers LIKE about Lawrence? Y'all sound like broken records.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Carmenilla: There are a lot of things to love about lawrence great schools diverse neighborhoods lots of wonderful parks and most of all the freedom to be yourself with out getting dirty looks

Carmenilla 11 years, 7 months ago

Amen to that! Its just the same old tirades on here day in, day out. I was just looking for a little positivity after such a fun weekend! People need to get over themselves. If they really want to make changes in this town, complaining on the internet ain't gonna do much.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

This is very true carmenilla. Get out and do something if you want a change right. Be like Hemp man Do something anything

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Folks, you want people to get over themselves, then HOLD the politicians ACCOUNTABLE. That is how you live the American dream. I am over myself, that is why I question our politicians. That too is as American as you can get.

Carmenilla 11 years, 7 months ago

Go e-mail your politicians than, rhd99. You'll never get thru to them by posting on this board!

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

well put, rhd. Maybe we should be talking more about the possible closing of public schools over unconsitutional funding going on... in the spirit of exercising our rights and keeping our legislators accountable.

I honk for the hemp man... doesn't everyone?

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Linux, in the spirit of holding politicians accountable, I urge everyone to read & scrutinize Doug Mays' record on education while in the Kansas House, especially as Speaker. He CLAIMS he is for school funding, but wants to sidestep courts & their legal jurisdictions. Lawrence Schools are being threatened with closures because of Mays. I sincerely hope that Mays is defeated in next year's governor race. The 4th of July that we just celebrated shows that American dreams & promises can & always will remain alive. Lawrence School closings because of people like Doug Mays is as UNAMERICAN as it gets.

neopolss 11 years, 7 months ago

Posted by Carmenilla on July 5 at 11:06 a.m.

If Lawrence is such a stinky hippie Communist enclave where all your rights are stripped away than whynot stop complaining and just move like spacystaci8? It seems like the rest of the state may be more to your liking. I am tired of the same old Lawrence bashing. Is there anything you complainers LIKE about Lawrence? Y'all sound like broken records.

The argument about "if you don't like it move" is really against everything American. Our country should be about involvement in the community process, and if something displeases you, to use that oppurtunity, get involved, and change it! Move? I don't think we should give in so easily.

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Neopolss, just to add to what you just said, if the complaints we have about things that are wrong in Lawrence are "tirades" as some say, & we don't hold elected officials accountable for their actions, then where is the American dream we just celebrated this last weekend? Carmenilla, no I won't get through to politicians on this board, but I hope this is a springboard for others to understand my hopes & passions for not just Lawrence but for the state of Kansas as well. Call it what you want, but our country was founded on the premise that WE (that's right, you & I) all have rights, but responsibilities as well. Our responsibility is to criticize the actions taken by elected officials. If we don't, then how do we improve as an American society? It's simple, we don't improve. Leaders now more than ever will be scrutinized at ALL levels in society. They work for US.

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

By the way, the "they" I refer to that work for US are the politicians.

dawatts 11 years, 7 months ago

FYI ! According to the LJW, the city of Lawrence donated $5000.00 towards this years fireworks display! It was GREAT!!!

Carmenilla 11 years, 7 months ago

I actaully hate the "love it or leave it" mentality too! It only speaks to the frustration I feel when I read the same crap everyday. I notice that lately people b*tch and moan about the fireworks ban, roundabouts, hippies, the homeless, whatever. No one talks about the good things that go on in this town and I start to wonder why all these unhappy people continue to live in a place that dissatisfies them so much. If I were that helpless and pissed off I would move to a place that suited me more. I like Lawrence. Not that you shouldn't fight for change but some acknowledgment that this town has redeemable qualities is occasionally nice. has people blogging about the things they do like around town. Day after day, this board is filled with the same old tirades. I say get off your duff and do something.

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

Those who are offended by comments directed at the mayor & other elected officials, my apologies. My point is personal responsibility (like what kpippen just said) does NOT require legislation from a commission board room table. Unfortunately, many don't know the meaning of common sense.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

dawatts they may have donated $5000 but Emprise bank donated $7000. thats sad that a bank donated more than the city! But yes is was an awesome display Gary Saathoff and the Jaycee's did a wonderful job!

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

oh come on omb don't mope its not your fault he's a BOOGER. maybe some one ought to flick him off their finger! :)

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Carmenilla Lawrence has lots of trees to hug thats good isn't it! :)
seriously I really do like living here even with all its faults.

No matter where you go there you are!

Every city has its problems.

Now can we talk about cheese please?

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

No favorites. By the way, I have a question, bottle-rockets have been scrutinized so much. What's in those bottle rockets that make everyone so jittery?

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

Yep. Last night's display was the best I've seen Lawrence do. Truly a treat.

sunflower_sue 11 years, 7 months ago

Tom F, My youngest found the hand from a doll that the neighbor boy blew up last year. She (and the other kiddies) had great fun strapping the hand to various fireworks to see if "THE HAND" could be destroyed. Finally it disappeared after it got launched with a mortar. What fun! (And please don't tell me we're raising violent husband's sweet 'ol grandma used to tie cats together when she was young. My own sweet mother used to pull the heads off of chickens!)

Happy, As for cheese, my chevre turned out great. But we already talked about cheese. How about foreign desserts? I made ms_canada's pineapple dessert yesterday and everybody loved it. Can that be considered foreign since the recipe came from Canada??? If not, I also made a killer baklava.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

I forgot to have Ms_C give me the recipe glad to hear it was a hit. And yes I know we already covered cheese but it broke up the politcal tirade. As far as foriegn dessert I'll have to think on that.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Does German Chocolate Cake with pecan coconut frosting count?

rhd99 11 years, 7 months ago

My only experience handling fireworks were the sparklers. They were fun. I didn't get a chance to go last night, but I watched a couple of displays: one from D.C. & the other from N.Y.C on t.v. I know that for one to truly enjoy fireworks, being there in person is the only way to truly enjoy a time-honored tradition.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

omb so I guess it doesn't count, darn its my absolute favorite dessert. ok so still need to think about fav foriegn then :)

GreenEyedBlues 11 years, 7 months ago

I know the topic of the city commissioner's name has been kicked to the ground already, but I just am curious as to whether or not "Boog" is his official birth certificate [given] name.

If it's not his real name, he has taken a huge chance in expecting people to take him seriously as a politician with a name like that. Lo and behold, it worked! Maybe I should run for office and rename myself "Skeet Wilson"

I wonder if a majority of his votes were from a bunch of punkasses thought it'd be funny to see the word "Boog" over and over again in the papers.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

OK can't think of any. Hey how about this they say Texas is like a whole other country and since German Chocolate cake came to be in Texas I'll stick with it? :)

linux_chick 11 years, 7 months ago

I'd be interested to know, too, GEB.

And don't feel bad. Just because TomFoolery is tired of politics doesn't mean we have to quit talking about them.

(No offense, Tom!)

ms_canada 11 years, 7 months ago

Mayor Highberger's name in actually Dennis. Couldn't find out where the name Boog came in.

happyone 11 years, 7 months ago

Here is a political question for anyone caring to respond: Who should take the open seat on the supreme court ?

BunE 11 years, 7 months ago

People! Stop it!

Karl Rove is a Traitor!

Jay Bird 11 years, 7 months ago

Posted by JohnS on July 5 at 6:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Firewroks breed voilence no matter how much you protest the law of the land and is why got the ban because nobody do and epoeple get hurt lightning them off they need ban around the country cause firewroks are anitaAmerican.

Amen brother.

WTF man, put the rock down. reading this made my head hurt so bad that after this, I'm going to lay down. They are NOT Anti-American, and were banned because of the mess it made mostly. then the noise, but not due to inbred yokel's like yourself blowing off your digits.

Staci Dark Simpson 11 years, 7 months ago

By the way, I still like to visit Lawrence. I just choose to live elsewhere. Also I don't smoke myself but I think once people start getting their rights taken away one thing can lead to another and another. As far as blowing things up we used to blow up GI Joe guys and old car models. We did shoot water balloons at some llamas (sorry animal activist peeps) but we have bad aim so they were safe. As far as I know they were disease free and not former circus animals.

Fangorn 11 years, 7 months ago

The real question should be: In light of our proliferation of bans, does anyone take the city commission seriously anymore?

And a second question should be: In light of the atrocities of spelling and grammar committed on this board today, would it be wise to unleash upon the city roving bands of free-lance language teachers? I'm certain that JohnS's English is much better than my Chinese/Finnish/Sanskrit/Outer Mongolian or whatever his first language is, but my goodness, somebody help that poor man!

beatrice 11 years, 7 months ago

I think bars should be allowed to shoot off fireworks indoors. People could light roman candles with their cigarette butts, and let the sparks fall where they may. (Just point it away from the flag on the wall.) Also, we should not only dump the roundabouts and speedbumps, but lets do away with speed limits, stop signs and traffic lights as well. And what is with those dividing lines in the streets? What an annoyance. Also, stinky hippies should be forced to bathe, and put into some kind of camp until they learn to love the war.

I hate laws that don't allow me to do exactly what I want. Boo hoo.

italianprincess 11 years, 7 months ago

I just want to know what has crawled up your @%#&?

Everything you say is so sarcastic of others its amazing.

People will always differ in opinion, but they way you put it sounds like you are just a very angry person with a chip on your shoulder.

Hope you have a better tomorrow.

nefball1031 11 years, 7 months ago

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Chris Bohling 11 years, 7 months ago

I didn't mind fireworks until Sunday night when the college kids next door decided to start firing shells about 6 feet from my window and screaming loudly and drunkenly after ever shot. The police, of course, did nothing despite calling them 3 or 4 times. So I told them politely to stop, which they didn't. Thank god I know the landlord.

beatrice 11 years, 7 months ago

ip: I use sarcasm in a forum such as this because common sense doesn't ever seem to get through. (Honestly, who can really argue FOR cancer-causing air quality in a work place, or FOR explosives in a residential area?) So I apply the same "logic" being voiced by the people with whom I disagree, and then I crank it up a few notches. By doing this, it points out the illogic of their original argument. It is simple sport, really. Besides, if I just wrote, "I'm for the bans" - and I am - would you have even noticed? Read chell's response immediately above, and you will see that simply being nice on such topics doesn't always work.

So you see, I'm not an angry person at all. Some chips on shoulders - you bet, and when I feel I'm being pushed, I push back - but nothing that I can't shrug off when need be. Just having fun with words and ideas. But thanks for worrying about me.

Happy dreams, princess.

Boog for President! (oops, I did it again.)

Fangorn 11 years, 7 months ago

chell: Those are the moments you wish you had access to a fire hose. Now that could have been fun!

OMB: Regarding JohnS, as Billy Joel once said "You may be right". Like happygolucky, reading the post gave me a headache. Spelling is one thing. A lot of English-speakers couldn't spell to save their lives. But in this case the syntax points to a non-English origin. JohnS has made two posts, both about fireworks, both with the same flair with our language.

neopolss: My daughter and I had a great time shooting off fireworks. How'd your family do? I wondered if any of the fantastic illegal neighborhood displays I saw last night were yours. We kept ours out of sight in our shed before setting them off. One time, I'd grabbed two and turned to head across the street where I was lighting them and a patrol car drove passed. I was suddenly intensely interested in the contents of my shed!

Fangorn 11 years, 7 months ago

Gosh, beatrice, who could be FOR the property rights of business owners? Who could be FOR a traditional type of celebration that is very safe when used properly? Guess only idiots on this board who are impervious to common sense, huh?

beatrice 11 years, 7 months ago

Gee, fangorn, resorting to name calling, are we?

If you feel it is so right of you to flaunt the fireworks ban, why pretend not to be doing so when the cops drive by? Be a man, and stand up for what you believe. And how do you explain this to your daughter -- "Only obey those laws you like, honey." Sad, very sad.

Traditionally, people use to shoot guns in the air. Should they still be allowed to do so?

Once a firework is in the air, hot embers come down to the ground. There have been many fires caused by people using explosives properly. As a property owner, I strongly feel that you shouldn't have the right to put my home in harms way. So actually, the only "safe" way to "properly" use fireworks is away from homes and things that can burn, and away from children.

As far as property rights for business owners goes, do you think there should be any limits at all? Seriously. No health inspections? No structural standards? If someone wants to use machinary that is overtly and preventably dangerous, you feel that would be okay?

Without resorting to name calling, I will make an analogy. You are like a teenager with an "I hate mean people" bumpersticker, because "mean people" don't let me do what I want whenever I want. Boo hoo.

beatrice 11 years, 7 months ago

I meant, "mean people suck" bumperstickers. oops.

bugmenot 11 years, 7 months ago

Yay for Beatrice! I agree completely - the way people attempt to rationalize their hatred for the bans is hilarious. It's hilarious because it always just boils down to, "It keeps me from doing exactly what I want when I want." The bans simply force people to act responsibly, because the sad fact of the matter is a lot of people won't act responsibly unless they are forced to do so. No one is taking any one else's property rights away with the smoking ban in Lawrence. If you run a business where you extend a license to the general public to use your property, you need to ensure your property is safe for those people to use. If you won't ensure their safety, then the city of Lawrence will make you ensure it. Perfect analogy to the health inspection laws. Same with fireworks. I love fireworks, and I shoot them off every year. But, I do so in rural areas where they are legal. They're legal in rural areas for the same reason they are illegal in populated areas - because there are no buildings around. And, for the record, everyone who makes references to the city commission being akin to the politburo of a communist nation: take it from someone who has lived in post-communist Russia - you sound asinine when you insinuate Lawrence is close to communism. A couple of laws to protect the general health and welfare of a city is nowhere near the brutal, intrusive, iron-fisted rule of a true communist government. No one's going to throw you in the gulag - my gosh, all they're asking you to do is to step outside when you smoke and light fireworks off away from residential areas. Good lord!

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