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Should the city force Naughty but Nice to relocate?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on December 3, 2005

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“I think that’s stupid. The city needs to spend their time on more important things than worrying about forcing a legitimate business to move.”

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“No. They should be grandfathered in.”

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“I don’t think so. It’s a free country and you should be able to have your business where you want to have it.”

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“I don’t think that’s necessary. I don’t see why they should have to be located on major highways in the first place. They shouldn’t have to move.”

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b_asinbeer 12 years, 5 months ago

Why??? The business is not illegal. Why is the city even focusing on this? What, no more roundabouts to build? If they want to relocate things, why not Priscilla's? Why not Miracle Video? Why not Hastings? (After all, it has adult magazines)...

Sigmund 12 years, 5 months ago

Just becasue it's legal is no reason not to regulate. Smoking was legal in public bars now it's not. If the City wishes to impose yet another ban they know that the citizens of Lawrence will grudgingly comply like the sheep they are.

malachi 12 years, 5 months ago

No!!! I think the city should put more focus on fixing all the freaking potholes or something else worthwhile. Hey I have an idea. Why don't you start giving back to the community rather then always trying to take stuff away. If you don't like it then you don't have to shop there.

Naughty City, Naughty.(pointing finger with disgust)

bthom37 12 years, 5 months ago

I remember the outrage from when they opened up. Haven't heard a peep since then, so what's the problem here? Maybe it's (to the best of my knowledge) trouble-free existence should be a sign this is a stupid regulation.

enochville 12 years, 5 months ago

This particular issue deals with compliance with the law. Some people are of the opinion that they do not have to comply with laws they deem unjust such as federal income tax, city smoking inside businesses bans, etc. I feel that if you feel a law is unjust, you should work within the law to try to fix the law or appeal it, etc.

However, I do believe that it is up to the individual's conscience as to whether he or she will obey or disobey the law in the meantime of trying to get the law changed, but he or she needs to expect that society can impose consequences for his or her refusal to obey.

This store owner has been appealing his case as he should. He is following his conscience which is his prerogative. But, the city is within its legal authority to shut him down or force his move and he needs to accept that.

In a much more serious case, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego were cast into a fiery furnace for their civil disobedience. Daniel was thrown into the lion's den. Rosa Parks was thrown in jail. Civil disobedience carries consequences. I think we as a society need to uphold the enforcement of law. We would have quite a mess if we set a precedent of not enforcing the law. But, we also need to understand that people have the ability to act according to their own conscience and they should work to appeal their case or change the law if they can.

scis19 12 years, 5 months ago

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trinity 12 years, 5 months ago

NO they should not have to move! my gods, another story in the paper today talks about topeka still harping on the now cancelled class at KU! wanting to call mireki(sp?, i'm livid and can't think straight!)and hemenway "on the carpet"-but WHY? the d@mn class has been cancelled! moot point! ah but the neocons want to harangue and browbeat yet more i guess.

i fully realize that there need be some type of order in society-but c'mon this is outrageous! first a class designed to teach ideas that disagree with the cons; now this guys' store, which to my knowledge still doesn't have a big ol' mechanical arm to reach out and drag people in; smoking ban; agggh. then ya have this yellow house store that's apparently been fencing stolen cr@p for years-hmmmmm. why not focus on alleviating some of the real problems instead of the zealots going after nebulous possible bad things?? isn't there a homeless issue in lawrence? isn't there streets in need of repair? isn't there a need for youth to have more stuff to do? shouldn't those in power be focused on those things rather than trying to move a business that really is not affecting their life in any way except for their psuedo pc sensibilities? that guy's store has been there longer than their stupid little "be on a highway" rule. let him stay! i'd betcha even if he did move, they'd find some other way to harass and harangue. rant over i need coffee! now!

Kookamooka 12 years, 5 months ago

There's gonna be a revolution! Or there SHOULD BE!

sunflower_sue 12 years, 5 months ago

e_m, did you mean IUD discussion?

If they move the porn shop, how will we find it? Seriously, I've driven past it hundreds of times and my kids have never taken notice. If they did, I would just take it as another perfect opportunity to talk with them about sex. (Grab all the chances you get...someday they will not want to listen anymore!)

Today it wasn't pancakes, it was waffles. The crispy kind where you whip the egg whites and fold them back into the batter. Then, just to round things out, pumpkin muffins. Where are you OMB? Food's getting cold. (Coffee's still hot.):)

trinity 12 years, 5 months ago

hey marion as long as it's got adequate sewage lines, sounds like a winner of an idea! ;)

sunflower_sue 12 years, 5 months ago

I will say this, driving by a porn shop with a "naughty" name is much different than taking the kiddies to rent a movie and seeing all the "naughty" videos on the top shelf displayed out with all the other videos. What ever happened to the "back room"? Miracle Video on 6th street does this. I've asked the "counter workers" "what's up?" and they just stare dumbly at me. I guess I should see it as yet another perfect opportunity, right? Wrong! Talking to my kids about sex is not the same as showing them pictures. Anyone else have a problem with this?

trinity 12 years, 5 months ago

i hear ya ss-and this is a prime example of why everybody needs to wake up and see that it's becoming increasingly alarming, the way "cons" are working toward homogenizing the world, well our world at least. i mean, lordie be-what's next? i'm afraid to ask! :/

Sigmund 12 years, 5 months ago

Which 'cons' on the Lawrence City Commission do you think are pushing this? ROFLMAO! I guess it was the same 'cons' that pushed the smoking ban. Gimmeabreak.

Liberty 12 years, 5 months ago


If the laws were being created by the will of the people as in a Republic not a Democracy, and for the good of the people, then the people wouldn't have a problem with the laws and working within the system. But a quick read of the Declaration of Independence will reveal that it is your duty to change or if necessary take other means to correct or replace a government that acts despotic. The city appears to be picking on a questionable business that deals in 'naughty and nice' to justify it's position in which it really has no authority to act. The city is supposed to take care of the roads and infrastructure, not try to control businesses. It would be clearer to the people if it was a 'fine upstanding business' being attacked, then there would be no question of what principle the people should stand for.

italianprincess 12 years, 5 months ago

Ever see the movie " Pleasantville ?" I'm telling you the city would rather us live pure and innocent then be in the real world. Remember " Leave It To Beaver " , Make Room For Daddy ? " Those both sound like porn movies, but you get the idea. Both tv shows were pure God like families who were perfect in ever way.

I have no problem with Naughty But Nice being where it is. I have gone in there plenty of times to but this and that and the owners are great guys. If you have a question about something they can answer it for you. I had a bach party for my g/f and bought everything from there. We had a great time.

Miracle Video on 19th and Haskell should have a door to their side room and not the hanging beads. The door should have a sign on it that reads " Adults Only " also. Hanging beads entice children to want to play with them and make they sway back and forth giving them a full view of whats behind them.

The Movie Gallery on 6th St also has an adult section in the back, but its hidden quite well. I didn't even know it was there until recently.

Wait a minute here.............If Naughty But Nice is located on a major highway, then so is the strip club I believe in North Lawrence. I realize that Mass starts at 6th St, but isn't 2nd St ( help here ) or that street that runs along near the turnpikea major highway? I could be wrong......someone in here would know. Anyway the highway takes you all the way to Topeka from Lawrence. Wouldn't that be a major highway also? Is a strip club a different establishment from Naughty But Nice ( selling items vs selling a good time ) .

Okay stopping here now.......I'm starting to babble and want some hot chocolate. I'm sure someone in here knows what I'm talking about.

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

So the idea is to take Naughty but Nice out of it's rather non-descript location, and put it along the highway -- this way the locals don't see it, but everyone driving past will. Maybe they can do like the stores on the highways in Texas, with massive billboards announcing Adult Shop 3 miles ahead ... 2 miles ahead ... 1... Turn here for Adult Shop!!! -- just past the "KU Next Exit" sign. Brilliant. Make it possible for every visitor to Lawrence to equate the town with porn shops as soon as they arrive -- or even if they simply keep on driving, because what family on a road trip would want to stop for lunch at "that porn town."

Who knows, maybe N&N can expand on the outskirts of town. Feature "Live Nude Girls" (compared to "dead nude girls," or course, which is pretty gross and I think against the law). Bigger than Dallas kind of signs, with flashing lights. And an enormous American flag lit by spotlights 24/7, just like the Baptist church down the street.

Perhaps the city council should rethink this one.

jonas 12 years, 5 months ago

Truthfully, S-Sue, if you don't pay any attention to it, then your kids won't either. Up until pre-teens, kids simply aren't interested in porn, sex, nudity (save, I suppose, "naked-time" which is not the same thing at all) and only bother to pay attention to it when adults flip out about it.

Kathleen Christian 12 years, 5 months ago

Good grief are you City members bored or something? Instead of focusing on established businesses that are most likely paying their taxes. Why not focus on bringing businesses that will attact the youths of our town, for instance a "Skating Rink" that can be used for ice and roller. This could be a plus for this town. Kids can learn a new sport, teams can be formed for ice hockey, skating competitions, grownups like this activity too so its can serve as a good family night out and besides its just plain fun. Why not spend time on this PEOPLE?????

italianprincess 12 years, 5 months ago

The city is to busy with banning, shutting down and building lame roundies to think about its people. A rink is a great idea for both roller and ice. What a great idea.......its been brought up before and someone will say that one was here before and it didn't make any money.

I would like to know how long ago was that anyway? A rink that would bring in hockey teams, teach lessons and bring a family night is a fantastic idea. If I had the money to open some type of family establishment I would do just that. I have mentioned it before in here that it would be a great thing for the city to have.

Forget about shutting buisnesses down and start opening ones that will bring in more buisness. We need a family center here.

Theres room for one somewhere around here. One that has a rink, game room with arcade games, and maybe even a lazer tag room like they used to have at the bowling alley. If it were big enough it could even hold a mini golf area.

Man I need to win the lotto and soon.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 5 months ago

Jonas, I have no problem w/ NBN. But, believe me, my kids have noticed those "adult videos" on the top shelf at the movie rental. And, I apologize, it's not Miracle Video. It is the Movie Gallery that puts these videos on the top shelf. YIKES!

JHawker 12 years, 5 months ago

For those who proposed the skating rink? that''s an awesome idea! do you remember FantasyLand at all? its where Kohl's is now located... many fun rollerskating memories from there - shame it was torn down. adding the ice aspect is even more enticing!!! this is what i call a good idea

jonas 12 years, 5 months ago

Sue: I should clarify. I personally make a delineation between "notice" and "pay attention to." Certainly, I'm sure they will notice them, but find it unlikely that there will be much lasting impact. Still, I know which display you're referring to, and have wondered in the past why they are even up there, separate.

Out of curiosity, though, and you, of course, don't have to answer, but how old are your kids? My observation is based on my son (8) and my neice (almost 3), and different ages will of course react differently.

local_support 12 years, 5 months ago

Maybe we should relocate them right next to the interstate so passerbys will know what type of community Lawrence is. ; )

DuQuesne 12 years, 5 months ago

This may not be precisely appropriate for this forum, but I can't seem to get it accepted as a classified ad: I have a big box of pornography for sale at a reasonable price to anyone who cares to haul it away. Most of it is in good condition but I can't use it anymore my pornograph is broken and I can't get parts for it.
-Schuyler DuQuesne

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

SDuQ: They can fix pornographs these days -- I think you just need the little blue pill. Ask Bob Dole, he can explain it to you. : )

Jayhawker, apparently you will have difficulty opening a place called "FantasyLand!" That sounds even naughtier than Naughty but Nice!

armyguy 12 years, 5 months ago

More Stupid things from the city... I think that moving it to the highway is a great idea, billboards everywhere, I can get friends to open their second location of "Beaver Liquor" [Liquor in the front, Poker in the rear] right next door. The other side could be a nudie bar. Hopefully this could be done just outside the city limits, at the end of the last round a bout and they could smoke in it.

A lavish dream but it would be nice:::::

b_asinbeer 12 years, 5 months ago

Skating rink was in place where Kohl's used to be about 12 years ago. Then, Wal-Mart moved south from the location Sears is now, and a big development boom occurred. Thus, Skating Rink went bye-bye. I have fond memories of it. Would go if one opened up.

Ceallach 12 years, 5 months ago

IP: You are right, 2nd street is also a highway.

I'm not sure why NBN has been selected for this attention, other than having a silly sign, I don't see anything offensive about the business from a driving by perspective. My family goes to Bambino's occasionally, on Sundays they have family style platters of pasta at a very nice price:) If my granddaughter (8 yrs) has noticed she has not said anything and she's not that quiet :)

sun_sue: That stare is standard operating procedure at Movie Gallery. Once, while renting a movie, I asked about the daily penalty for late returns. You would have thought I asked him to explain Control Theory. He kept telling me when it was due back, he couldn't seem to get past the fact that it wasn't overdue until whatever day. Mostly he just wanted me to pay for the rental and leave so he could return to a movie he was watching when I came in. Made me want to run out and protest to get minimum wage raised even higher (not)!

Fantasy Land was great. It also attracted big crowds for several years. The problems began when the owners started cutting corners. Security, maintenance, staff, cleanliness, everything suffered. Less and less people wanted to take their groups there. Fantasy Land didn't die of natural causes, it was starved to death!

enochville 12 years, 5 months ago

Jonas: I am going out on a limb with my self-disclosure. But, I was pretty heavily into porn when I was 9 years old. You are fooling yourself if you think pre-teens aren't interested.

Richard Heckler 12 years, 5 months ago

It seems like the neighborhood has learned to live with the situation. So don't make them move. Business will no doubt improve with the new will become aware. That part of Mass is so retail. How many gas stations sell rubbers aka Condums? I've never checked these places out but I am becoming evermore curious.

Purell 12 years, 5 months ago

Oh No!!!!!!!!!! They want to close my favorite store. Why all the girls in my sorority shoplift, I mean shop there. After a long day of studying Intelligent design, we like to unwind and discharge our batteries...I think I said that right.

Speaking of batteries, I'm off to the store.

DuQuesne 12 years, 5 months ago

Beatrice ("...Ask Bob Dole...") I got some misdirected political junk mail from Elizabeth Dole in my mailbox today with a prepaid return envelope. I think I'll ask her, instead. Oh, yeah. Me and my word processor gonna get down tonight.
-Schuyler DuQuesne

Ragingbear 12 years, 5 months ago

That's right. Family Video is well known for having a sizable porn section. Sound like a pay-off to me as well.

lunacydetector 12 years, 5 months ago

i remember reading about naughty but nice going into business a few years ago, and the controversy it caused. i also remember the city commission or the planning dept had something to say about it.

...but family video does have a big porn or soft porn section on their website - or they used too.

i doubt there was any payoff going on because the city comments or actions originally took place quite a few years ago. really this could be construed as old news because i remember it from awhile back. now, if family video has a porn section like movie gallery -then something doesn't seem right. actually, is it because naughty but nice sells sexually so called toys that forces the issue or are porno dvd's regarded separately from the sex toy aspect of the business? after all, what do these people do to themselves when they watch an X-rated movie?

i wonder what santa claus thinks.

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