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What is the worst apartment rental experience you’ve ever had?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on December 1, 2005

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“We had a sewage problem in our basement that was absolutely disgusting, and the landlord made us pay for a lot of damage that should have been her responsibility.”

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“When my bathroom sink came off the wall and leaked sewage into our bathroom, our landlord didn’t even believe us and didn’t come to check it out for two days.”

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“There were a lot of things that were broken in my last apartment that they never fixed … A lot of my stuff got water damaged there, too, but at least they gave me my security deposit back.”

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“I had an apartment in Minnesota that had rats and a heater that broke in the middle of winter. I finally had to stop paying rent for two months before they came to fix it.”

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Aaronius 7 years, 10 months ago

Here's another website for checking out other people's experiences:

http://www.ratemyapartments.com

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pierced_daisy 8 years, 4 months ago

Here are some basics that all renters must know....

If you have a kitchen in your rental property where you cook combustible foods like oil - you must have a fire extinguisher within 30 feet. (Basically, every dwelling must have one.)

You have the right to ask your landlord to place your security deposit in savings account with interest. This allows your money to make money for you come move out time.

If you are ever in doubt, google the kansas landlord tenant act. Visit the douglas county website, find lawrence and read the codes.

Oh, and heres my favorite story.....one place i lived, the landlord threatened to evict us for calling the cops on our neighbors countless times because they kept damaging our cars, peeping through our windows while we were dressing, and harrassing us.

Know your rights.......it saddens me how few people know their rights and the resources to access them.

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pierced_daisy 8 years, 4 months ago

I recently lived in a duplex. And what a nightmare. It seemed ideal at first - clean, cheap rent, newly renovated. HA! It flooded three times and by the third time, when the water was sorta gliding along the carpet, they ripped out the padding on the floor and left the blow dryers (these huge industrial loud machines) there for over two weeks. We had to move all of our furniture into the kitchen and we could not hardly even live in our duplex. Eventually, the mold became so bad that I couldnt even stand to be there since im allergic to mold. Our "handyman" was frequently drunk, our landlord was sauced by 900am everymorning. When we were "allowed" to break out lease after a few months after signing it, ew only recieved 100 bucks from our deposit for carpet cleaning fees. Thankfully, I am familiar with the health code and the Kansas Landlord and Tenant act and recieved nearly 75% more of our deposit back.

Every place I have lived in with the exception to ONE, has been horrendous. It is sad that people try to gain profit from college students who have little money to spare and turn their living quarters into inhabital, cockroach infested, inhabitable quarters. I nearly took a slumlord to court and was warned by several officials to drop it because slum lords have "connections" and that not only would the case go no where, but I would get into trouble for pursuing it.

Has anyone yet provided a link to the kansas landlord and tenant act? Do you guys know that there is a place, here in town that will fight for your rights and provide you with information for a small fee if not free???

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

115 and off to bed...

the walls separated from floor in my dumpy upstairs apartment. my apartment's bedroom shared a wall with bedroom next door. when couple next door was amorous, no problem to hear throughthe massive crack under the wall!
flooring in rest of apartment was peeling because of the curve in the floor. always had the nightmare that that building would collapse while I was in it!

enochville, that 900 block of CT...now there's lots of arguements in favor of emminent domain! yukh.

first apart, 17 years/18years old just moved out on my own. not a bad apartment but upstairs was a two bedroom apartment rented to something like 8 micronesian students (not exagerating). there's just nothing like the feeling of being awakened at 2;30am by "KC and the Sunshine band!"

didn't seem to be anything I could do about it to get them to stop.

'night all. good to see ots questions are useful intelligent and stimulating.

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killjoy 8 years, 4 months ago

My friend had landlord who unjustly kept his deposit when he moved out. He moved too far to bother with trying to regain it. So, several years later, about 3:00am, the landlord got a phone call that made her cry...alot. The phone call was allegedly from a hospital in another city where her son was a truck driver. The caller told her that her son had been killed in an accident. I told my friend that was a really bad thing to do...and then had just one more beer and went to bed.

I think that sometimes getting your money's worth has nothing to do with cash value, but more to do with a certain feeling of satisfaction.

That tormented young man finished school and became an evil city planner, who put roundabouts and speedbumps close to the homes of people he didn't like.

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buckeyejayhawk 8 years, 4 months ago

My worst renting experience was in a house on 10th and Indiana. We moved into our studio apartment in May, and the landlord was kind enough to check and see if our window AC unit worked. I assured him that it did, although I accidently mentioned that it occasionally squeaked. He said "That's okay, I'll get you a new one." Well, he meant.. new to ME. The one he brought had a bad compressor that went out that night. So I called the next morning and he brought over another "new" AC unit. That one's fan was rusted tight, so it made cold air but it didn't go anywhere. Then he brought over a new AC unit. This one worked, but was so powerful it kept blowing out the fuses unless we ran an extension cord from the window to the bathroom on the other end of the apartment. Finally he bought a NEW NEW AC unit. So I had 5 AC units in 5 days.

Then all was fine and dandy until one night in January or so. Our upstairs neighbor's girlfriend's mother was visiting, and she thought she smelled natural gas (we figured it was just "old house" smell). Since she worked for an insurance company she knew this was a big deal, so at 2 in the morning the gas company and our landlord burst into our apartment to check the gas lines. Turns out the connection between the gas line and our oven contained a part outlawed in the 1980s. Due to the leak, they shut off all our gas. No heat, no stove, no hot water. In JANUARY. He was kind enough to offer to lend us a space heater. After two days, they turned the heat and stove back on, but there was a problem with the connection to the water heater shared in the house, so we still had no hot water for another 10 days. We heated water on the stove and did sponge baths because I was too humiliated to ask to use someone else's shower.

In the meantime, the landlord decided to try and fix this gas line, which apparently was located in the chimney of the house. My apartment contained the fireplace, which was boarded over. I came home one day to find dirt all over my apartment (including all over my computer) and a note that said he'd be back tomorrow. To my knowledge, he never came back. Or if he did, at least he cleaned up after himself the second time.

We did manage to be excused from our utilities for the 12 days we were without hot water, but that was still an absolutely ridiculous situation.

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ms_canada 8 years, 4 months ago

prospector - yes our team, the Eskimos won the grey cup, my good man tells me it was a very good game. No to selling the building, we just called in an exorcist. Yes to my trip. I met so many wonderful friendly Lawrencians, I thank the good Lord for that. I think I have mentioned the names of all those I met. Politicians seem to be the same the world over, don't they. We have some beauts. And Mr_C and I do manage to keep each other warm. e_m, you are in good form today. LOL. And to the gnomes - I am so happy to have met you wonderful people also. As to Sharpe, our visit was all too short, wasn't it? I love the Sharpe series. In fact I love anything by Bernard Cornwell. I would highly recommend the Thomas of Hookton series. Keep well all of you wonderful people.

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DuQuesne 8 years, 4 months ago

'Skuse me, y'all. But I wuz jus' ax'd by de lan'lode up to de big house if'n I wuz mind come on down heah an' ax aroun' fo' see if''n any bodies bin seein' dat Prospectuh here-abouts cuz we dun been hearin' dem folks down heah wuz complainin' all 'bout some uppityness. And stuff.

I just thought you should have a baseline, what analytical chemists might call a "standardized index value." I return you now to your usual early 21st century mid-American colloquial (and minimally vernacular) suburban English. Be like Mr. Natural and keep on keepin' on.

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oldfashiongirl 8 years, 4 months ago

Hi y'all!

Am baaaaaack! Spent 10 wonderful days with my daughter in Virginia.

My personal rental experiences were never really bad except in North Miami Beach, FL where the roaches were huge and management would spray about every 2 weeks and you had to empty the cabinets etc. A real hassle. I only stayed long enough there to justify my rental expenses for the IRS.

My time spent in Lexington, KY included helping to manage a rest home and several rental properties for my boss-owner. I frequently had to take tenants to Small Claims Court to get our money. I always went armed with numerous photos of damage done, as well as sometimes taking a witness with me. When there was a male judge(he often nodded off and didn't hear a word I said), and I won all those cases. Once I had a lady judge and I guess she didn't like me, for I lost and had all sorts of evidence of the Univ. of Ky students who knocked holes in the walls with their fists, were always late with the rent and complained when their heat went off and we didn't get there fast enough to repair it, as it happened on a snowy weekend and nobdy would come out to fix it.
I later learned she was a UK graduate and possibly had empathy for the wayward students.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Oftotheright

I guess I am just being the word police today. Girl is about the worst thing you can call a black women that grew up in a racist and segregated society in this country, not only the south. Boy is the same. This is really as bad as the N-word.

Coupled with the getto slang (and what would be your hood, homey) commonly used when black women address each other,TOB got that, I came to my conclusion. If you called a black women sista, you are going to get bitch slapped in a heartbeat.

If you never truly knew this, then I jumped to a conclusion. I really just wanted to educate people to these facts. I really don't know you and truly hope you have respect for all, except stupid racists.

Take care Thank you

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

By 'running' the apartments, does that mean they now have the keys to the hollow space between units?

(Hollow space being empty units in need of remodeling, of course!!)

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T0M_F00LERY 8 years, 4 months ago

FYI ~ If you live at Park 25 maintenance may burn down your apartment and if you live at Fox Run you probably have mold growing in your walls.

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Rachael Sudlow 8 years, 4 months ago

oxandale & blue73harley, William Lemesany ISNT dead, and now his ex wife and family run the apartments.

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

Prospector, I can not monitor this site all day long!

Tell me who I was not respecting by my post about the GIRL who had sex on the sink, and the ding bat that did not replace the light bulb.

Not respecting stupid people? Ok..I'll give ya that one!

I never once mentioned black or white, nor was I even trying to make someone think these girls were black, or white.

I never thought of it truthfully. Just thought they were a couple of dumb blondes. Oooops sorry (just kidding)

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Harry_Manback 8 years, 4 months ago

2 words-

Colony Woods.

A man broke into the apartment and watched my roommate sleep. We called the cops, and they advised us to change the locks. When I called the management and told them about what happened, they didn't even care. They refused to change our locks and they said if we did it then we were in violation of our lease and faced eviction.

My friend lived there last year, and she witnessed an attempted murder outside her building.

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enochville 8 years, 4 months ago

I just don't get it. With as emotional as yesterday's topic was, how come there are more personal attacks today than there were yesterday?

MsCanada: I hope that you enjoyed your visit. Sounds like you have had a lot of bad luck with self-harming renters. Good luck in the future and keep warm. I know how those Canadian winters can be brutal.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

MSC: when we met we did not even discuss Sharpe!

glad you are home and glad I met you and so is Mrs. Gnome.

IP: I am shocked by your antimold prejudice...mold is a living creature...isn't there a PETA like organization...people for the ethical treatment of mold...whether in the fridge or bathroom or roof?

yesterday...way too many posts for this gnome to keep up with...buffer into overflow.

worst renting experience...another w. coast town/collegetown. apartment over parking spaces; building sagging around the floor supports. wall separated from floor, I mean completely, to where you could reach through. was interesting when neighbors were passionate, or when i was...was single then...and not a christian yet.

that building can't have lasted much longer after I left! the manager apparently waz-very-goood-looking blonde guy named "dirk" who liked to think of the women in the apartment building as "prospects" for his harrem.

wow, had to laugh at some above...EM particularly. yeah, you just never know who's living around you here!

okay, now, try not to injure each other. and, OTTR ain't racist, didn't read his original comment as such. sista' just a common 'spression.

up around #100.
back in a while, maybe.

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

again e_m, whewwwwwwwww! still not the same addy, lol...and my stars, my lil' dahlin' gets to see&hear all the drama of the wheel all the time! and the 'hawk too. and she loves every stinkin' minute of it, lol!

ahhhh i am just lovvin' the heck out of these posts...i mean i'm sorry for the folks who've had bad luck, but e_m-you're priceless, i just got a big ol' laugh out of your story of your oogy neighbor! he sounds suspiciously like a guy i dated many moons ago...freeeaky!

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oxandale 8 years, 4 months ago

blue73harley - fyi.. i do believe william (bill) lemansany died a few years ago.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Spacystaci8

I take that back. I hate racists.

Peace

Oftotheright

Will only answer when even-moneys toilet freezes over.

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Confrontation 8 years, 4 months ago

I hate it when people use the race card in EVERY argument! A few months ago, I went to Abe&Jake's with my spouse. We were waiting for a few friends to join us, since they pulled into the parking lot about 30 seconds after us. Since we were in the VIP line, we had to go in immediately with one of the bouncers. So, I told the African American (PC) bouncer that there were three other people who needed in on the VIP list. I said, "there will be two white women and one black man here in just a few seconds that also need the VIP line." Whoa!!! You would have thought that I ran for president of the South! It was a super busy night and that was the only way to describe them, since I didn't know what they were wearing and they didn't know about the VIP line for us. This super annoying bouncer said, "Hey, why do you have to bring race into this?!" I don't know, why don't you ask Kanye West? It was really funny to me, since my spouse, who is the same race as the bouncer, was standing with me. Yeah, I'm a real hater. I'm sure he would have described me as white, but that's different (somehow).

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

It also helps to know what is and isn't an effective threat.

I moved into my first apartment after my sophomore year of college. When I arrived in May, the windows of my un-air-conditioned south-facing room were painted shut. I called to ask that they be opened, as I couldn't get them open unless I chipped away the paint. No response. Three more messages for three more weeks. Finally, I called and said, "Hi. This is (name), your tenant at (address). I've tried to contact you several times. My windows are painted shut. According to city ordinance, that violates the fire code by blocking an exit to the building. You have ten days to address this, before I simply call the Fire Marshal and ask him if he thinks you should open my windows, and at the same time if he'd like to come see some of the other violations of the fire code, especially some of the ones in the basement and the hallway. Thank you."

Nine days later, two men knocked on the door, and they were most happy to pry my windows open for me. There was no further trouble getting maintenance requests answered, and I did not renew the lease.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Spacystaci8

I have said nothing hateful. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

If I meant it, that would be hateful.

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I_love_KU 8 years, 4 months ago

My husband and I had a terrible experience in the summer of 2002 at Peppertree Apts. The temperatures were in the 100 degree range and our air conditioner broke down on a Friday morning. I called the office 6 times and went down to the office personally to find it closed for the day with no notice of when landlord would be returning. I saw the maintenance guy (who lived onsite) by his driveway. I went over to him to tell him the problem and he told me he was off for the weekend and didn't know where in the world the landlord was. I asked him for the number of the management company (Maxus Properties in KC), he told him he didn't know it. So I went back to my place, looked up the # online and called them. They told me that someone would get back to me. I called a friend, she suggested I call the police. So I did. An officer came by and took a statement from me and my husband. Then they said they would contact the property owners because of the heat, it was pretty important that they get the a/c fixed asap. The a/c was fixed Sunday night about 9 pm. Apparently the landlord had quit that Friday morning and the complex was without management for 72 hours with no notice to the tenants. Yikes. My husband and I moved out the following week, 4 months before our lease was up. We got charged a $1500 broken lease fee and, but went to court and didn't have to pay a dime. Know your rights! P.S. we moved to Village Square and lived there ever since. Its wonderful and they fix stuff within 12 hours!

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm not arguing, I just want to bring to light that I believe all men and women are considered equal and deserve respect.

OttR do you?

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Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 4 months ago

Prospecta-Don't be a hater. For one who proclaims to respect you aren't doing very good. Merry F'in Christmas to you too.

For all those renters out there, document everything. I was charged $200 for supposedly not wiping off my counter and not cleaning my stove good enough. I just told my landlord that if she needed the money enough to lie about it obviously she needed the money more than me.

IP- Sadly I don't know anyone good to rent from. I had Mr Lemesany as a landlord for awhile and he fixed stuff good but the whole peeping thing kind of blows that. Check into buying. You might be surprised what you can do. Don't give up, I am finally in the house of my dreams. I had to jump thru lots of hoops but it is worth it to own your own house. What an investment it is we bought our house for 127,000 did a tiny bit of work and now it is worth 140,000. Good luck, if I hear of any good landlords I will let you know.

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Kathleen Christian 8 years, 4 months ago

Always, always, always (1) take pictures of the problem, (2) do not phone the landlord about the problem write to him and keep a copy for yourself - send copies of the pictures with the letter. (3) give Landlord a mininum of two weeks to respond and a mininum 30 days to repair the problem if they don't you can either write another letter to let Landlord know that you will begin legal proceedings or just begin the proceedings and they will notify Landlord. Be an educated consumer. It is unfortunate that the Landlords in Lawrence take advantage of the the young people who rent, but then again the young people seem to wants to tear up properties so it's a catch 22. Good Luck ALL

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

I was not being racist about any of my comments above, you were just searching for an argument. Not here boy/girl/sista!

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

TOB

Dud(being a hippie now) never said he wasn't. He just proved it.

Staci

Thanks for the confirmation.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

OttR Now that was RACIST! Guess again.

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italianprincess 8 years, 4 months ago

I can fix maybe one of the 11 issues here. The others are construction issues that need to be fixed by his guys.

Remember when I had rain issues and the roof leaked. Well I now have had holes and cracks in the ceiling for months. His guy came in and shot in some expanding foam cr@p that dripped all over the new carpet they just laid in my son's room. It also dripped all over the front tile, and when he wiped it clean with who knows what ..........its now discolored.

The back door has never fit properly and has majot gaps in it so in the winter you can feel cold air blasting through it. Weather stripping doesn't work for anything and just falls off after awhile.

The heating system completely sucks in the house. My youngest son's room ( front of the house ) stay cold even if I close every vent in the house. Right now its at 40 . My oldest son's room right next to his is 80 right now. He sleeps with shorts on and his fan going in the winter while my little one has like seven blankets on his bed.

The deadbolt lock to the basement door just fell off the other day when I couldn't get my key out. I have the front part in the house and who knows where the other half went. Its either in the basement at the bottom of the stairs or still on the door. I can't get into the basement to see now.

The baseboard around the bathroom has been off since they put in new vinyl flooring six months ago. The sink counter needs caulking ( I can probably do that ), and so do the faucet handles around the shower. The roof has mold on it that seems to grow back even when Kills is put on it. Same with in the shower with the mold issue.

Well thats not all 11 issues here but you get the picture. Landlords don't live like this, so sometimes they don't care how you live. Believe if I could buy a home I would, but finances will not allow me to do so. I would love to be a home owner someday soon.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

acg--I'm still rolling on the fjlar!!!

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Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 4 months ago

Yep you got it right prospector! I just sold my plantation and all my slaves so I could buy some overpriced real estate up here. I am pretty sheltered, a dumb old Kansas girl like me probably didn't learn anything when I lived in a 90% black Washington DC or in the South.

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

Seems like you are searching (and i do mean that) for a fight prospector.

Or let me guess....you are black, and sitting around using that excuse 'poor me, i am black and nobody likes black people'?

Stop digging sista!

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Spacystaci8 "I just moved here from the South about 2 yrs ago and I don't recall anyone using "boy"or girl" in a derogatory manner. Maybe they used it in the 1950's, BOY!!!"

So if you did not know this was a racist, derogatory way to refer to a black person, you must have been real sheltered, naive, or you just used the N-word around the plantation.

I'm sure "boy" was the last thing that Swarner, Chaney and Goodman heard before they were killed in 1963. One of their murderers was not procecuted until last year!!!!!

Me likey the Freestate, not Slavestate, Brewery beer, Sista.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

IP - It's been my experience that Email is a horrible method of getting someone to do something. If the guy has an office, physically be there. If not, call/show up at his place around dinner time. Once he has to start wondering if you are going to show up /call when he's on his own time, he'll get your situation straightened out.

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

IP...take those 'small inexpensive' projects on yourself. Ask your landlord if he'll deduct them from your rent.

Too bad you can't buy a home. I would hate giving my money to someone else when it could be going towards a house payment (and probably lower than what your rent would be).

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Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 4 months ago

bankboy119- Homie? That could be racist. You had to bring the bats in it didn't ya? I heard the black bats are holding a protest to have equal rights with the brown bats and the fruit(y) bats want to get married.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I'm not saying OTTR said something racist, just that I knew where Prospecter was coming from with the "Boy" angle. Saying "boy" with a certain inflection and tone in your voice most certainly has racist undertones. OTTR said he wasn't being racist and I have no reason to doubt him/her. It's a freaking message board.

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italianprincess 8 years, 4 months ago

Okay people.........I'm going to be moving from my house that I have lived in now since 98 so we can be closer to my son's new school.

With all the bashing of the landlords and rental companies in here I'm not sure who I should contact. Believe me if I could stay here and put up with my landlords cr@p of not fixing things right away I would. Not going to mention any names, but he does make me mad at times.

I just emailed him 11 items that I want fixed before Christmas so I shall see what happens. Some are minor yes, but after waiting months for repair........please.

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bankboy119 8 years, 4 months ago

Aren't bats black? Or brown at least? Man you racist...you're going to hurt now not only the black girl's feelings but the bat's as well. PETA's gonna git ya homie.

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Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 4 months ago

TOB- I just thought prospector was jumping to conclusions. Just because someone says boy or girl doesn't mean someone is being racist. If it is I insult my son daily!! I say "what up sista" to my girlfriends all the time, no one has been offended yet. I guess I was just wondering how a landlord/tenant discussion ends up being about racism. I get irritated when people throw that up when its not even being discussed. Peace

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

Racist? Against who or what? Stupid college girls?

I don't believe the original story teller ever mentioned to me if the GIRL was black or white. Wasn't trying to insinuate that.

I was trying (with not much luck) to insinuate she was a ding bat GIRL!

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

Prospector, that is insane! "Girl and boy are considered very disrepectful term". Since when and to whom?

She was girl, a college GIRL.

The other GIRL who didn't know how to put in a light bulb, she probably was someones sista. :-0

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I understand what Prospector is saying... think "Hey, Boi! Pick that cotton." Kind of doubt OTTR was trying to be racist but well, he did use "sista" in the same post.

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acg 8 years, 4 months ago

Lived in an apt. at 8th & Ohio many many moons ago. You could put a ball in the middle of the floor and it would roll all the way across the room. When you opened the kitchen cabinets, you could see the outside thru a few of them. The place always smelled like a gas leak, to the point where I stopped letting people smoke ciggies inside because I was afraid of a deadly explosion. Called the landlord and the gas co. No one seemed to care. Had a funky neighbor guy that never came out of his apt. He just hibernated in there always. But, about once every month or so, he'd wander thru the halls wearing nothing but the American Flag and he'd sing "NOBODY KNOWS!!" at the top of his lungs for a few hours and then he'd go back into his apt. until his next foray into the world. Gotta love this town!!

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Crispian Paul 8 years, 4 months ago

PMS blows. I tried to rent from them right after moving out of the scholarship halls. Because I did not have a rental history yet in Lawrence and despite proving to them that I was never late on any other bills, they said I would need to have a co-signer. Well, they also then said that the cosigner needed to be a parent. When I told them that I was an orphan and that I could have a family friend co-sign, they refused. I mirrored this back, saying "you're saying the only co-signer that I can have is a parent, but since I'm an orphan, I'm just screwed". The response went something like this "Yes." When I balked they said "sorry, too bad for you, I guess". And that was literally what they told me.

The worst experience I had was also a raw sewage line backed up into my apartment and we had to find places to stay for almost two weeks.

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Staci Dark Simpson 8 years, 4 months ago

Uh, prospector, put the moonshine down!! I just moved here from the South about 2 yrs ago and I don't recall anyone using "boy"or girl" in a derogatory manner. Maybe they used it in the 1950's, BOY!!!

I used to rent from Mr Lemesany, how scary. We never had any trouble, he fixed everything quickly. But my cat used to get in my closet and end up in the apartment next door. The worst experience I had was we were renting from an elderly couple who lived in Leawood and they would call at noon on the 1st of the month for rent even though our lease stated we had until the 5th. They also showed up at one of our barbeques because our neighbors called him and said we were having a huge party. Huge consisted of 10 of us sitting at a picnic table eating burgers and ribs drinking Pepsi!!! It is expensive to rent in Lawrence. 2 yrs ago I lived 2 blocks from the beach and paid 600 amonth for a 2 yr old duplex, that was a bargain!!

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

MS-C

Did you sell that place or did the authorities come and burn it down because it was possessed? ;0)

Did your team win the Grey Cup?

I will always root for the Oilers. A great name.

It sounds like your politicians in Ottawa have the same problems as ours. Shame on them.

As for the Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I sure hope Mr-C is the snugging type.

I am glad your trip went well.

Take care

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Upon my return to Lawrence, I quickly became aware of a beer-joint called "The Wheel". Weekends were most amusing because as a student I was often up till 2 or 3 in the morning anyway. It's amazing how lover's breakups in the parking lot during the wee hours of the morning are complemented by the frequent sounds of beer bottles smashing against walls, or the pavement-or once through someone's car windshield. It became the background noise of this 'new city' and eventually I figured out how to sleep through it.

A clown lived immediately across me on the second floor; his door directly south. This guy basically resembled Larry from the Three Stooges. It rather quickly became apparent that I could expect a knock on my door a few minutes until 5pm, the door would open and this inquiring head would angle itself into my apartment, asking, "care to smoke a couple bong hits and watch MASH?" I was here on a serious mission and often found a convenient excuse not to. The one time I remember accepting his invitation, he proudly showed me his spring-loaded roach clip which operated via the use of four compressed prongs which would expand as ones thumb would push on the top of the thing. Probably in addition to using it to hold the short ends of a joint, he would use this thing to capture whatever cockroach wasn't fast enough to get away. He would have a proud expression of success from the hunt, turn on one of the gas burners of his stove, and slowly treat the insect to what it felt like to be the victim of a rotisserie.

But that was the blasted building which had the uncontrollable fire alarms. I was never sure if it was a mechanical glitch, if it was because of the puddles from the leaky roof shorting out the wiring, or because of the cockroaches, but eventually I tired of flicking the roaches off me in the middle of the night and chose to move on. Yes, that's when I found 1216.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Okay Trinity, not so fast. I moved into 1216 from 1423 Ohio, where I had lived the previous year. That place was a trip in and of itself.

The brown brick flat-roofed two storey apartment building (which I believe still stands) has a stone lintel over the north doorway proudly announcing the name "EMORY". Over time, we learned to affectionately refer to it as the 'enema'.

I, too, had traveled a fair distance here to Lawrence to take care of meeting with my new faculty advisor, apply for various student jobs on campus, and find an apartment--all in one day. This was a couple of weeks before school was scheduled to start, and I had very little concept of how these things would all transpire. As I look back on it, it was a successful solo venture into making the KU experience happen for me. And I wouldn't trade that for all the world.

The live-in manager was young and kind of cute in a leftovers from a Grateful Dead concert kind of way. As several dozen cockroaches freely scavenged the surface of her refrigerator, we settled on my renting an efficiency apartment upstairs and I wrote her a check for the deposit. Had I been in any way, shape or form, savvy about this location, I would have asked her what "Country Club Week" meant.

(more)

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

JoCo, SUV-drivin', hippies is the most absolute stupidest thing I have ever read on here. That's saying a whole considering I post here regularly.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

ms_c, glad you made it home safely.

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ms_canada 8 years, 4 months ago

I have had some goofy experiences both as a tenant and as a landlady. As a tenant of a basement suite when I first moved here. I got up early in the dark to get to the hospital by 7am, stepped out of bed into 4 inches of water. The storm drain had backed up and flooded my apart. As a landlords, hubby and I have had some experiences with older ladies dying, young man committing suicide and making an awful bloody, and I mean the red stuff, mess every where. Another young woman dying of a drug overdose and nobody being able to identify her. It was the darndest mix-up ever. The apart. was rented to an oriental lady, but this dead woman was not oriental. No id found on her or in the apartment. No one in the building had ever seen the oriental tenant, but the caretaker had seen her brother (oriental) who had rented the apart. for her. The police finally found out the woman's name and to cut the story short, because it is long, believe me, turned out that the caucasian woman was the half or step sister of the oriental man. Hence the confusion. Real dopey story. Another time my daughter was cleaning the hallway in the building when a man walked out of a suite in his knickers, covered in blood. Seems he had slit his wrists and elbow and lay in his bed waiting to die, but he didn't. Diane called and ambulance, he went to hospital and Diane took pitty on the guy and cleaned up the mess. Mattress was completeiy ruined. Oh, I could write a book about the goofy stuff that goes on in apartment buildings. BTW - flew up from San Diego last nite, shirt sleeve warm, to fur coat weather here. 13 below celcius. you figure the farenheit. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

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neopolss 8 years, 4 months ago

Most JOCO SUV drivers aren't hippies. Quite the opposite, most are well-to-do moral upright rich kids who think they know something about "family values." Then again, I could be stereotyping.

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CanadianPassport 8 years, 4 months ago

One Easter, the roof blew off of my two-bedroom apartment near the football stadium. My roommate and I were temporarily moved into a one-bedroom motel. After trying to put us in another crappy apartment, they eventually (and reluctantly) let us out of our lease.

An exgirlfriend lived in a house on Tennessee that was actually hit by a car one night ... yes, a non-moving house, hit by a car. It was hit hard enough that the house actually was temporarily condemned, so she had to move out. But, she was still in a lease, so she had to let her landlord put her somewhere else that he owned.

Why is it that an act of nature ... or drunk driver ... is not enough to break a lease? I am genuinely curious about this, if anybody understands this law.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

H-K-P

No reading in. It is in black and white. I guess he talks like that about everybody he knows, huh boy?

Girl and boy are considered very disrepectful term. I grew up in the south and watched this up close and personal. Churchs burned, Synagoges(sp) bombed, and crosses burned in family friends yards. MURDERS

Sheriff quote when Emitt Till's body was found in river wrapped in chains was "Boy should not have tried to swim across the river with those stolen chains".

Are you proud of the centuries of inequities? Ya'll want the south to rise again?

I have respect for all people and only expect the same.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey 8 years, 4 months ago

Prospector: quit reading into stuff. Let me guess. You're one of those JoCo, SUV-drivin', hippies who feels guilty for everything that's ever happened in the world?

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Frankly, if I were moving out in two weeks, and my landlord started showing my apartment without the 24-hour notice written into every lease I've ever had, especially on weekend mornings or at times when they knew I'd be home, I'd stand there in a T-shirt and underwear and chat with the prospective tenants, asking the landlord questions about all the things I'd ever turned in maintenance requests or complaints on that hadn't been addressed: "Hey, have you mentioned to these folks the time you took three weeks to fix my leaking faucet and I had a hundred and fifty dollar water bill you refused to accept any responsibility for because I take 'long showers'? Oh, oh, what about the roaches? You folks don't mind a little wildlife, huh? They're pretty aggressive, but if you don't fight too hard when they go for your plate you can usually salvage some of your dinner. I eat on the porch when the weather's nice or the furnace is broken again and it's the same temperature inside as outside. You really can't beat the view of the Dumpsters! You know, I sure hope you replace the carpet for these guys. You told me it would be cleaned at least before I moved in, and it took me almost an hour to get the sticky patch out in the second bedroom! Man, cats! So, uh, you folks from around here?"

I'd also leave underwear on every flat surface. Clean underwear (hey, it's important that you air the laundry properly when sorting it!) but underwear nonetheless. I save copies of all my maintenance requests, and nothing says 'homey' like blown up copies of the fourth request to come fix the garbage disposal that burbles drainwater back up into the sink.

Course, none of my landlords has ever tried to show my place without notice, either. In fact, they usually have model apartments they show, so they don't bother me at all.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

OttR

"Girl having sex with her boyfriend, her sitting on the bathroom sink, sink falls off wall, she tried to blame the property owner.

Girl calls in because the bedroom light won't turn on. Ummm Duh sista, put a light bulb in it."

"Girl....sista"

Take the hood off, you racist.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Or maybe with the lesbians coming over from next door and sawing limbs off our trees? Or the mysterious guy in the basement who nobody had ever talked to? EM

I love Lawrence. Just weirdness. Explanations would be nice but none are necessary. Just a shrug of the shoulders and move on.

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

LOL, e_m! i just loved your post!

and, i'm actually quite relieved-mah babydahlin' is not at that address, but a couple of blocks south! whew. can't remember the name of her management company, it hasn't been mentioned yet in any posts(i'd know it if i see it); she's a shrewd girl, has called numerous times about odds&ends, always asks 'em "did you document that i called" lol

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Okay Trinity. I will continue the story of 1216 Ohio. (house subsequently burned and is now replaced)

Other than the toilet freezing solid during cold weather, where would you like me to start? With the housemate's dog basically being incontinent wherever she happened to be at the time? Or maybe with the lesbians coming over from next door and sawing limbs off our trees? Or the mysterious guy in the basement who nobody had ever talked to?

Oh--I was going to brag about our roach infestation! They were so bad (drumroll here), that we decided to hold a party to celebrate them! We got a few yards of poultry netting which we fashioned into 5' long cigar shapes. We paper mache'd them, painted them brown, attached skinny tubes of rolled up brown wrapping paper (crimped at the middle and near the 'foot'), three to a side, and mounted these suckers on the front of the house. One climbing up one of the porch columns, one crawling along the porch roof attempting to climb up the west wall, and one up at the top of the front facade near the roof (from within reach of the upstairs window). The party was great. The next day, however, was simply the best!

When I left through the front door that afternoon, I noticed a young child's crayon drawing pinned to the front door. Apparently we impressed one of the neighborhood kindergarteners sufficiently that they had gone home, drawn us a picture, and insisted it be left on our front door.

It was a grouping of four standing figures. Wearing the hat was daddy cockroach, next to him mommy cockroach and the shorter brother and sister cockroach.

The child obviously identified with our zaniness. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? Urr, or celebrate 'em anyway.

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Tanetti 8 years, 4 months ago

Our worst landlord was actually for a house in Lenexa but she lived in Wichita. One Sunday night when the (only) toilet stopped flushing she said she would call someone the next morning. We knew she had 24 hours to repair it and believe me, she took those 24 hours and then some, finally getting the guy across the street to come fix it. So for an entire day we had a toilet that wouldn't flush (even with our "help," for some reason). She also changed her phone number without telling us, but fortunately we had her father's number (very nice guy, somehow). Once he drove 6 hours each way to come fix something b/c his twit daughter couldn't afford a professional handyman.

And when we first moved in (late April), the electric meter was still hanging off the house from an ice storm almost four months before, so that needed fixed. To her credit she got it fixed (though perhaps fixing it, say, around the time it actually happened rather than having an active electric meter dangling off a vacant house for four months would have been the smart route), but the dope she hired to fix it didn't know you needed to file some paperwork or something with the city to get the power turned back on, so we had to wait four or five days to have electricity (and we made her pay for our hotel room) and I was on the phone every single day with KCPL trying to get the mess cleared up (difficult since I wasn't the owner and the landlord didn't seem too motivated to get the power back on).

Fortunately, we signed only a 6-month lease. But we were getting married a couple weeks before the lease was up, and the landlord suddenly decided to put the house up for sale (according to the neighbors she tried selling it about every other year, with no success), the first weekend of showing it being the weekend of our wedding. The first day the house was listed (Friday) we had three or four showings (I was having to wrangle their calls setting up appointments and then clearing out while people came through each time), and after that I personally called the Realtor and told him no showings till Sunday afternoon, after we had left for our honeymoon.

Another landlord accused us of ruining the "brand-new" carpet he'd had installed, when actually the carpet was threadbare when we moved in. And he had his brother-in-law (a contractor) come to patch up the sudden huge cracks in the walls after a giant tree branch fell on the house (also during the aforementioned ice storm), when even the BIL was saying, um, I'm not sure that's going to fix the fact that your house is shifting--and fast!

But all these are minor compared with some of what you people have gone through. Sheesh!

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offtotheright 8 years, 4 months ago

I have a friend who does maintenance for one of the property agencies.

The stories that he's told are outrageous. People/students can be so stupid.

Girl having sex with her boyfriend, her sitting on the bathroom sink, sink falls off wall, she tried to blame the property owner.

Girl calls in because the bedroom light won't turn on. Ummm Duh sista, put a light bulb in it.

Story after story! Most of these renters are spoiled rotten filthy pigs who have no clue how to care for themselves without mommy and daddy around to wipe their arses!

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Fleeba - You could have just left a little something extra behind for them.

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fleeba 8 years, 4 months ago

Bob- hehe.. that was the idea. Payback for everything else they wouldn't do. I woulda liked to use it for myself, but who knows how much extra fees i would have had on my "final check-out" bill.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Fleeba - You tore down a grow-room? Maintenence probably wasn't too happy with that.

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fleeba 8 years, 4 months ago

Sundance and Campus Place are owned by Mastercraft.

When I lived in a PMS property way back when, they tried to evict me becuase I "had someone else living with me" even though it was just a futon in the livingroom that they saw. (bad back = needed a harder bed for that week). Funny thing was that in the basement of that apartment (bascially just a furnace room) and(which was shared by the next door neighbor also) had a small room in it that was covered in foil and had lots of lights all over the ceiling. Maint would never tear it down, so me and the neighbor had to!

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

ok, e_m, you'd best continue soon-you've got my mommyheart all skeered! my youngest lives at 14th&ohio! so far so good tho, no unseemly amounts of critters or anything-yet.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

LibCon - I believe you are talking about the infamous MasterShaft. I had friends that lived in Sundance. How I pitied the fools.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

The last place I rented was pretty good (until I moved out; it's taken them months to get my deposit returned to me!). Repairs on time, fairly friendly staff, no real problems. The apartments were nice, and they kept upgrading them (one year they put new linoleum in my entryway, they painted the building trim every two years, they power-washed the facade every fall, that sort of thing), so I was happy.

Another person who lived there at the exact same time I did complained to me that nothing ever got fixed, the staff were short and snippy with them, the office hours weren't kept (it's true that sometimes they weren't open on Saturday or in the afternoons, but if they were closed on the afternoon when rent was due, they didn't charge you the late fee if you paid it the next day), and so on. I think that when you get disparity like that in treatment, it's because landlords will develop preferences for or friendships with some tenants, and so they go the extra mile for some, and others don't get the extra effort it takes to make renting a really positive experience. That feeds into a bad landlord-tenant relationship, so the tenant starts to get hostile, and the landlord feels justified in not working extra hard for that tenant, and the tenant feels justified in his hostility.

At the complex I just moved into, one of the women in the office is always friendly and cheerful, while the other does the bare minimum. One of my neighbors says the second woman is the friendly, helpful one, while the woman who is cheerful with me is 'snotty'. I'm trying extra hard to be equally friendly with both of them, and will see if the treatment changes.

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WriterGirl 8 years, 4 months ago

I rented a room while in college from a landlord that knew people.

There was a gas leak in the line that went to a kitchen stove. The girl down the hall called the Gas Company and they came right over, shut off the gas, and red tagged it.

The very next morning, the landlord came over, yanked the red tag off and said nothing.

Never fixed it. Nothing.

We called the Gas Company again. They never showed up again, never said a word about ever being there, etc.

I learned then that the landlords in this town have all of the power.

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Libcon 8 years, 4 months ago

I can' t think of the name of the company but they have Sundance and Campus Place apartments. Stay way from them. They do rip you off on deposit, and have terrible customer service if you will.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

14th and Ohio is a great place to live if you like cockroaches. After moving from an infested flop house with a leaky roof and malfunctioning fire alarm into a rooming house just to the north, I thought I was rid of them at last.

Instead, the 'new' place had a chronic problem of the toilet freezing solid on a day like today. When we finally got the landlord to show up he asked in his thick Asian accent, "You have hammer?"

(to be continued)

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YourFriend 8 years, 4 months ago

I had to sue Swan Management when I left. The details are all on apartmentratings.com if you're interested. Essentially it was a deposit issue. They lied and said that we'd had cats. As their proof, they used the fact that one weekend I had babysat my mom's cat while she was out of town on an emergency. Granted, that was my fault and a breach of lease...but five months later when we moved out, they tried to charge us over $1000. They claimed that the cat had caused such an odor that they had to replace the carpets. The fact was, we had asked that they replace the carpets when we moved in, because they were very old and very gross. Upon research as we prepared to sue for our deposit, we found that landlords are obligated to change the carpets ever so often (can't remember now). Anyway, we sued for our deposit and won, and the manager at the time came away from court looking like an idiot. Ever since I posted on apartmentratings about our experience, I've seen that many tenants for Swan have/had the same deposit issues, i.e. being charged for damages they didn't cause or damages that are normal wear & tear. I wish these poor tenants would realise that they don't have to stand for that treatment! For $50 you can go to small claims and show these landlords that just because you're 21 doesn't mean you can be taken advantage of.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey 8 years, 4 months ago

kubabz...do you work for PMS?? It sure seems like you're trying to put a positive spin for them on the negative things several people have said about them...

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neopolss 8 years, 4 months ago

Posted by kubabz (anonymous) on December 1, 2005 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have rented from PMS before & had a great experience. They did everything in a very business like manner and were very professional. Sometimes I think students forget that the management business is a business with business hours and policy and prodcedures that must be followed. PMS's lease is very thourgh and I wonder how many students take the time to actually read what THEIR responsiblity is in a lease.

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Of course, my PMS lease agreement said nothing about them renovating the apartment while I was in the middle of subleasing it. Be careful subleasing a PMS place, most likely, you're wasting your money. They will not attempt to find anyone for it.

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Confrontation 8 years, 4 months ago

One of my friends lived in the Trailridge apartment complex from 1999-2000 and had a horrible time. Her place was infested with spiders. Her and her roommate would collect ziplock bags full of spiders and take them to the on-site management. The management didn't spray until right before their lease ended. Their cat was getting sores on its lips due to the spiders biting it while it would try to eat them. They also had major leaks from the upstairs bathroom. When I visited them, there were at least 3 buckets placed around the living room to catch the brown water that was falling. One of my brother's friends lived there about 2 years ago, and they were having almost the same problems!

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kubabz 8 years, 4 months ago

I have rented from PMS before & had a great experience. They did everything in a very business like manner and were very professional. Sometimes I think students forget that the management business is a business with business hours and policy and prodcedures that must be followed. PMS's lease is very thourgh and I wonder how many students take the time to actually read what THEIR responsiblity is in a lease.

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tyger_lily 8 years, 4 months ago

I too have had my miserable run in with Property Management Service. I moved to Lawrence from rural Kansas so I wasn't quite sure what to expect 'in the big city'. The first place I rented was a very expensive apartment below two large men that didn't know how to walk from heel to toe. Instead they stomped hard enough to knock things off the walls. The management company was very fair at that place, repairs were done ASAP, and we got our entire deposit back. When I came across a 2 bedroom house for under 600 a month that allowed a pet, I jumped at it. Granted, it was in a somewhat run down part of town and had rednecks across the street, but other than that, it was a nice little house. It was until I decided that I was not going to renew my lease. In April they decided that they absolutely had to be showing the house for August rental. They never called to let me know that they were coming, let themselves in without knocking, and left exterior doors unlocked and sometimes open. I came home the first time after they decided to not let me know that they were showing it with my dog just sitting by the screen door, that didn't quite close to begin with, because the back door was left wide open. Good thing he is a good dog and he didn't let himself out. This went on pretty regularly until the time my roommate was trying to sleep one Saturday morning after I told them directly that I did not want it shown that day and they came in and was making their way up to his bedroom. After he gave the lady that let herself in a piece of his mind, he then he called the management place and gave them a piece of his mind. After that, I started getting phone calls of when they were going to be coming. When it came time to move out, we were informed about their clause about leaving the utilities on for the extent of our lease. We moved out a couple weeks early so I could get settled in my new place. They said they could not guarantee nobody would be moving in there and threatened to charge us for the old, worn out fridge if we shut the power off before the first. We drove by there a few days after we moved out and painters were there with the AC cranked on and all the doors open in the middle of July. Of course we could not get a hold of anybody because it was the weekend and they don't work on the weekends unless it is to their connivence. Needless to say, I am in a very nice apartment complex now with on site management. I do feel bad for the students and working class folk that do not know any better than to rent from PMS. I have certainly learned my lesson!

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Confrontation 8 years, 4 months ago

I had horribile experiences with Kaw Valley Property Management. The apartment flooded 3 times, and they left an 18-year-old in charge of the office. The owner was always gone and his teen assistant completely ignored maintenance requests. It took the city housing authority to send them lists of demands before they would do anything. They never fixed the flooding problem. These are true slumlords.

I had better experiences with Property Management Services (maybe because it was a newer apartment).

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

This is out of 'news of the weird'. I lived in the basement apartment of an old house at 10th and Miss for a couple of years. (That building was recently torn down and replaced by something which looks much more 'up scale'.) I could share many goofy stories of experiences living in that place.

The strangest one was I awoke to a shadowy character tickling my right foot while I had been sleeping. When I hollered, "HEY", the person dashed out my front door and ran off into the night. Upon collecting my wits about me, I noticed whomever it was had apparently pried open the north window to my kitchen in order to get into my place. I moved out a short while after that.

I now have this strange thing about socks.

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neopolss 8 years, 4 months ago

Being homeless is starting to sound like a good option! No more troublesome apartments, when I can simply hang in the alley by Dillons. W00T!

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

There was a Klaus Kinski movie named "Crawlspace" about a landlord with issues.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 4 months ago

"Befriend himself" Ha Ha HA HA HA!!!! Nice!

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Oh, and my favorite: A friend rented in Columbia from a woman named Grace Ho (they called it the Ho house). She and the other tenants started noticing things, like end tables and box fans and curtains, missing from their apartments. They asked the landlord and got their locks changed (50 dollars) but stuff still disappeared. They were all talking about it one day and broke into her 'maintenance' closet on the third floor. There was all their stuff. They took it back and had friends keep it for them. The landlord came around accusing everyone of 'stealing her stuff' and searched all their apartments.

This woman ended up profiled in the student paper because she would just walk into people's apartments while they were there and lecture them about their study habits and cleaning. One woman awoke at about one in the morning to find Mrs. Ho standing over her holding the water glass she'd left in the dish drainer, yelling, "You filthy girl! You left out dirty dishes and the roaches will come! You live like a pig!" She had installed a chain on her door, and one day she came home from work to find that her landlord had made a specific trip into her apartment to cut the chain with bolt cutters, even though its installation was allowed by the lease.

At about the same time, another landlord in CoMo was convicted of using his passkey to come in and, um, 'befriend himself' while watching his female renters sleep.

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Ceallach 8 years, 4 months ago

Any plumbers out there? Vito, how about you? Why would Lauren's sink coming off the wall cause sewage to leak out? That seems odd to me, but I'm totally ignorant of plumbing know-how.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 4 months ago

Ceallach, That story is something out of a horror story...YIKES!

Me, I rented a room from my boss once...'nuf said.

Also rented a house from my in-laws...'nuf said.

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Ceallach 8 years, 4 months ago

We lived in a tri-plex, rented from an elderly lady who seemed very nice. Two months later I had just returned home from the hospital after having my appendix removed, laying in bed waiting for my mother to arrive when I heard someone open the front door with a key. I thought it was mom so I called out that I was in the bedroom -- they ran out. By the time she arrived I was in a total panic. Later discovered, due to upstairs neighbors hearing noises in the attic, that her pervert son was using his access to the apartment keys to snoop, peep, and grossly enough, steal underwear from the laundry room!!! It was one step down from the Bates Motel :)

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

badger, that's really too bad about A&S because my husband and his best friend (and another guy) rented from them and had a generally great experience. Granted, one of the people at A&S knows us, so that might have had an influence.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

A friend rented the upstairs of a duplex from A&S. The air conditioner broke and leaked fetid water into the carpet, where it mildewed even after she paid out of her own pocket to rent a carpet cleaner and clean the carpet (she'd called them for a week to take care of it and nothing happened). They charged her for carpet damage.

The gutter literally fell off the front of her house, blocking the front door. It was still attached to the house at the top, so when we tried to get it out of the way, it wouldn't budge. She called them and explained that she couldn't go out the front door, and they suggested she use the back door, because it was Thursday and they couldn't get anyone there until Monday. She explained that she couldn't lock the back door if she went out of it, and she thought her things might be stolen if she just left her door unlocked while at work all day. They asked why she didn't have renters' insurance, if she was so worried about her things.

When she finally moved out, she took pictures of everything, every wall, every faucet, every window and dropped off copies of the pictures with her keys. They charged her 300 dollars to replace a 'hole' in one wall. They had a picture of a fist-sized hole in one of the bedroom walls. She showed them her dated picture of the unblemished wall, and reminded them that they had a copy of the same, and they said it was an 'error' and took off the charge.

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megorama 8 years, 4 months ago

I have also had HORRIBLE experiences with PMS. The staff was always HORRIBLY rude when I called, argumentative and defensive...there was lists of dangerous things wrong with the place, at one point we had a small water fall in our downstairs bedroom...the service people would just walk right in if the door was unlocked to fix things. Scary company. I wouldn't give them a good reference.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

I lived in a place more recently where the landlord never replaced half the heating registers after re-covering the floor, and there were holes in the closet floor that led into the unheated basement. The window frames gapped so badly that the curtains would move in the breeze coming through them. For a two bedroom house, my January heating bill that year was over six hundred dollars, and I'd had the thermostat set as low as it could go, and walked around in my house wearing a parka. I'd have turned off the heat, but the pipes would have frozen.

There was a seven-foot-tall mound of dirt in the basement that was actually the largest ant colony I've ever seen in my life. The landlord would tell me he'd come over and fixed whatever it was I called about (like when the screen door fell off), and it 'must have broken again.' Then he'd say he was out of town and he'd get to it 'again' in a few days. Towards the end, he started 'losing' my rent payments and charging me late fees. When I called him so I could hand the payment to him personally, he'd always be 'on the way back' from somewhere and not due in until the early hours, even though I'd just seen his truck drive by. Eventually, he threatened me with eviction and I just moved out (yay for month-to-month leases). When my next landlord called about me, he told her I was 'totally unreasonable with constant maintenance demands' and that I 'broke everything in the house and expected him to fix it at his own expense.'

The first two looked nice, seemed fine. The landlords were not considered slumlords, and had OK reputations. They weren't even 'student' housing. With regard to the third, I was working 50-60 hours a week, so the person I was living with looked it over and said it was OK. He referred to it as 'charming and quirky' and then moved out seven months later.

I've also had a number of great experiences, so I think it all balances out.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

I had three bad experiences. In college, I moved into an apartment with a friend. The day I moved in, I casually pointed out to the landlord that there was a Missouri brown bat in the eaves (it's a protected species during breeding season), because I thought it was cool. He promptly shot it with weed killer because 'bats are vermin'. Nothing ever got fixed, and he spent a lot of time in the maintenance shed where he had his 'tomato plants' under a grow light. We finally moved out when the balcony detached itself from the wall and fell out into the backyard, crushing the downstairs' neighbors picnic table.

We moved into a basement apartment. The first day, we knew there was trouble when the clean apartment we'd been shown was suddenly jam-packed (thousands) with roaches. They were on the walls, in the cupboards, in the dishwasher. We kept a set of dishes in the fridge to eat off of, bagged all our food, set out poison, nothing worked. For weeks, they sprayed one apartment at a time, and the roaches would just move. Finally, four months after we moved in, they sprayed the whole building.

Then they started renovating the apartment upstairs (someone moved out because of the roaches) and every morning at 6 there was heavy construction above our heads for two months. The night that water started pouring out of the ceiling fan while the lights were turned on, the landlord told me, "Well, it's kind of late, so I'll just send someone over tomorrow around four. Just put a bucket under it or something." I explained that the leak had filled a large kitchen trash can with water while I was talking to her, and she said, "Well, then, get a really big bucket, and empty it every couple of hours," and hung up on me.

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nlf78 8 years, 4 months ago

I've had the most HORRIBLE experience of my life in the last rental I was in. I won't mention the name of the management company because I don't want to be sued for slander. But my best friend and I lived in an apartment in an 8-plex. We were in a bottom apartment. It was a big 2 bedroom apartment with 2 baths. Looked like a dream come true when we found it. But then we realized that there were plumbing issues in an upstairs apartment. Half the time the master bathroom had a layer of water on the floor. We complained a number of times with NO action taken on their part. We finally told them that if they wanted their rent check, they would have to come and look. Well, they sent their handyman over, he moved some stuff, patched a pipe and called it good. Then we went out of town for the holiday. When we came back our ENTIRE apartment had a foot of water throughout. They REFUSED to look at it until the next day. So we called a contractor, who was a friend, and asked him to come and look. They called the management and ripped them to shreds. The management company had to FINALLY fix the root of the problem, all because the contractor threatened to contact the Lawrence Housing Authority. But we were without a place to live for a month while repairs were being made and the management wanted their rent check for that month. We didn't pay and it turned into a HUGE battle. Thankfully we made it out of that apartment and I bought a house the next year! Be very careful who you rent from! But I hate being general because I've had WONDERFUL rental experiences too.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I lived in a duplex with 4 bedrooms on each half. KU baseball players lived in the other half and myself, a good friend, and hippies lived in the other half. Now, I don't know if you've ever had any contact with hippies but if you have 2 hippies for roommates you essentially have a lot of hippies for roommates. The baseball players were Garth Brooks/Toby Keith types. Needless to say, hilarity ensued. It'd of made a great sitcom. Clash of cultures initially and then by Winter Break it was like 10 baseball players and 10 hippies getting high and listening to Garth Brooks. To make a long, really funny if I wrote it all down story short, our landlord was awesome. As always I really have no point other than I've never had a truly bad apartment experience in Lawrence because I always understood that if I lived in cheap housing then I didn't expect much. Midtown KCMO... that's another story.

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Katie180 8 years, 4 months ago

Kookamooka, KU Legal Services for Students is glad to help with any Tenant/Landlord issues.

My worst experience with a landlord was when a squirrel had chewed it's way into our apartment and the maintenance man wouldn't come to fix the hole. He told me to stop feeding the squirrels (I am not that stupid!) and to stand by the hole and poke something at them to keep them away. My husband fixed the hole and we charged the landlord so it all turned out ok.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Lived in a duplex for a while, when I'd turn on the light in the kitchen first thing in the morning, it sounded like a stampede when all the roaches ran for shelter. Generous applications of borax & cocoa powder fixed that problem eventually.

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blue73harley 8 years, 4 months ago

William Lemesany is his name. This is public info published during the trial in the LJW so I suppose it is okay for me to share here.

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cutny 8 years, 4 months ago

KU Law-- You seem to take such pride in rising early to post, it begs the question, have you ever been first in anything else?

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enochville 8 years, 4 months ago

shannon: remind us of his name so that we can protect ourselves and our friends.

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shannon 8 years, 4 months ago

I lived in Parkway Terrace when the peep holes were found. Yeah, nothing is really as bad as finding out your landlord has been watching you change, shower, have sex, go to the bathroom, etc. ever since the day you moved in. Be careful in this town when renting. After that experience I lived with my folks for two years before getting back out on my own and when I moved back to Lawrence I thought I found a great place until they told me that the property mgmt. company who ran it was not the owner, my old landlord was. Yep, even after being arrested for criminal eavesdropping (that's all they could get him on) he still owns property here.

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sweatpeagj 8 years, 4 months ago

I have had a couple of bad experiences but I think when I rented from Property Management Services when I first moved to Lawrence was the worst. First, when I asked them to put locks on the windows I was told that they were fine. Yet, you could open them from outside. After living there for a month or so the bathroom really started to flood. It was a problem in all the duplexes in the area that they owned. That was disgusting and they never fixed it while I lived there. When I refused to sign another year lease they just showed up with other prospective clients. I had to work third shift at the time, I woke up to two men standing over my bed. I had taken a shower before laying done and slept nude. I woke up and screamed. They left but not before the man showing the place stated I was informed. Let's think for a second, if I had known that someone was coming I would never have fallen asleep much less been nude whne someone was coming into my place. Then to add insult to injury the dingbat answering the phones didn't seem to think this was a problem. I jumped at the first rental I saw in order to get out of there. Then they kept my entire security deposit. Even though on the exit walkthrough no damages or repairs were needed they charged me $65 to replace lightbulbs even though they had marked that all lights were working at the time of walkthrough.

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neopolss 8 years, 4 months ago

I had PMS for about three years. I honetsly had no troubles from them at the 2412 Alabama properties. They even replaced most of the units with new AC and furnaces, which saved me a ton. My only complaint was when I decided to move. I had taken over the lease from someone who lived there about three years, and then I spent another three years there. Needless to say, despite my attempts to clean the place, the carpets were done in.

I was mid lease and decided to sublease. Little did I know, I couldn't have had anyone move in and take over the sublease anyway, because PMS had began renovating the place. The only reason I found out was because I had to maintain utilities until the end of the lease, yet my electric and water were sky high every month. PMS ended up having to void the sublease and refund my entire deposit.

At least they responded quickly to a complaint I might have. Slumlords will never learn that maintaining a bottom line profit is poor business sense. People will pay higher for a nicely kept place, and even a few improvements can make a large difference. Students do have money, not always, but there's plenty who do.

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 4 months ago

Although I have lived in several apartments I have never lived in a bad one.

A couple of the houses that I have owned were real snakepits though!

I think that the reasons that bad apartments never came my way are that I managed apartments while attending KU in the early 70s and that I am sort of a hammer-and-nail guy and would just run from the bad ones straight off!

I must say that the owner of the apartments that I managed was scrupulous about maintainence and refurb which is how I learned a lot about building maintainence.

Too bad that there are not more property owners like her!

Thanks.

Marion.

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Sigmund 8 years, 4 months ago

I can't wait to hear from Landlords on their worst rental experience. The largest amount of damages I personally know of, here in Lawrence, was over $28,000.

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sharron5rs 8 years, 4 months ago

My worse experience renting the house I grew up in,was to a couple with one on the way. I didnt ask for a referral since I had slightly known the couple through one of my daughters. BIG mastake. I had it in the lease that NO holes or damage to the orignal doors,(solid wood). Something had broke and I went to fix it. When I tried to enter, I discovered they had bored a hole in the upper 3rd of the door to install a new lock. As well as several holes in the basebords to be able to move the TV cable to different places in two rooms.(No they didnt plug the open holes.) That was the good stuff. After I evectied them, and they finally decided to move, I found out they had peed in every vent in the house, and had painted all the woodwork with that rough textured paint that I still cant remove. That would have been enough but they stuck me for 3 months rent. My lawyer said I couldnt do anything about it because they declaired bankruptsy. Be sure I ask for referrals on EVERYONE now.

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Kookamooka 8 years, 4 months ago

My husband was horrified when he moved to Kansas from Michigan and found that the students didn't have a organization that deals with unfair rental. People need to protect themselves from slum lords and the city is losing some of it's housing stock to decay and bad maintenance. If a person like Doug Compton can go from college student to millionare renting properties to students in Lawrence, there might be corners cut for profits. Landlords should be subject to health inspections.

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Bad_Brad 8 years, 4 months ago

What the KU Student Senate needs to be careful of is imposing enough things on landlords that they end up drying up the available supply of cheap rental property in Lawrence. I suspect the landlords that are "already doing some of these things" are also the landlords that charge more - i.e. you get what you pay for. If all landlords have to play by these rules, then you may very well see either a) the cost of renting go up, or b) the availability of affordable rental units go down (or both).

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enochville 8 years, 4 months ago

When I first moved to Lawrence, I foolishly signed a contract to rent an apartment before I ever saw it. It was about the only place I could afford without roommates to share the cost and I did not know a single soul in town nor anyone that was moving to town. I was 1,000 miles away and did not think I could afford to come all the way out here again and rent a car just to find an apartment. So I found a place listed in the online classifieds, called them up asked lots of questions, then signed the contract by mail. I am not a very picky person so figured I could deal with any inconviences. I had no idea how bad it could possibly be.

When I showed up and saw the place for the first time, all I could do was laugh. It was such a hole. It was an upstairs apartment in 932 Connecticutt, a very dirty "white" house with "yellow?" trim. Drive by if you get a chance and you'll see what I mean. The wooden stairs are crooked, a bat lived between the window pane and a storm window and crapped all on the sill. The walls were buldging made of plaster that was cracking. The wooden floor was splintered and painted green. The fridge did not work and the landlord would not believe me in that. The ceramic kitchen sink had one faucett for hot water and one faucett for cold so the water never mixed until it was in the bottom of the sink. I shared a bathroom with the other studio apartment and those tenants would get crazy drunk and nearly knock down my door because they got confused and thought that my door was their door and they were locked out. The apartment would get soooo hot even at night. I eventually got into a routine in which I would sleep in my office on campus every night, come home just before the janitors showed up, take a shower and then eat dry cereal out of the box because I couldn't keep milk in the broken frig, and then head back to school. It was horrible. I never imagined that apartments as runned down as this could be rented out when I first naively decided that I could lease an apartment without ever seeing it.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Has anyone else encountered the dreaded PMS?

In all fairness, Property Management Services has their work cut out for them. Our lease was due to expire in May. In January they started using 'hardball' tactics to get us to renew. We were notified that if we did not immediately sign the new lease, they would have to begin showing the place to other prospective tenants. At the time we were house hunting and were not certain of whether we would be able to find a suitable alternative.

Without phoning in advance, we got a knock at the door which I answered from just getting out of the shower and was wearing a towel. There in the foyer were several nicely dressed people asking to come in.

Sure. Whatever. Embarrassing, though.

Today I wonder if those prospective tenants made the connection that should they have signed the lease for the place, that's how they would have been treated too?

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Bowhunter99 8 years, 4 months ago

I had a older couple renting one of my properties and they RUINED the place by smoking. We had to repaint the entire thing, replace carpet, replace burnt flooring, etc. The overhaul ended up costing me several thousand dollars.

Had another one plugged up the toilets with cat litter and overflowed the bathroom and ruined the flooring...

The list goes on and on... I'm sure other landlords will provide you all kinds of horror stories.

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ku_law 8 years, 4 months ago

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ku_law 8 years, 4 months ago

First.

Other than having terrible roommates, none.

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