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Will the presidential debate affect how you are going to vote?

Asked at Hastings Books Music & Video on September 30, 2004

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“I can see what’s happening and make my decision based on that, but it is interesting to see what they say, even if nothing different is said.”

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“Not at all. I’ve already decided who I’m going to vote for. I have my absentee ballot with me actually.”

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“No. I already decided how I’m going to vote. I’m for Kerry all the way. Go Kerry!”

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“No. I don’t really like either of the candidates all that much. So I don’t think what they have to say will matter very much. I’m going to vote for Bush just because I am a Republican.”

Comments

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Amen Laser, it's good to see that there a few sane people posting on this message board who actually know what is going on in this election!

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Thank you Hi_jinks. I can always count on you.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy, you are absolutely insane....go seek some help.

mr_daniels 10 years, 11 months ago

GOP straight ticket for me! Merril, the dabate was on foreign policy witch includes the war on terror. In this instance, substance counted more then looks and style. Bush handed the Progressive Socialist Communist his head!

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

What does your first sentence mean, nicegirl? To what are you referring? Huh? And yes, opposing views have a lot of merit. Hopefully we can continue that proud tradition of disagreeing in this country if Bush gets re-elected (not that I want him for 4 more years!!!).

Richard Heckler 10 years, 11 months ago

http://www.krollworldwide.com/about/library/merm/

This is the company that's been advising Bush daily on the Iraq situation.

Lulu 10 years, 11 months ago

Of course John Kerry pursuaded me to vote for him. He was obsolutely brilliant in everything he said and every move he made with his hands and how he used his body to tell me a story. He is so anti-corporate greed it is wonderful. I heard him say once that Haliburton would be fired in Iraq when he is president. I don't think Cheney likes him.

I can't wait to see Edwards take on Cheney. It is quite exciting just thinking about it!

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

NOPE! There has never been any question as to which candidate I will be voting for this November. I'm anticipating a Bush landslide! I'm confident that a majority of Americans are smarter than some fictitious character named Lulu.

Fishman 10 years, 11 months ago

Unfortunatley, it looks like two rich guys trying to get a job. We, the people, are the real losers. When asked how they will accomplish things, they both have ideas, but no means for them to come to fruition. Terrorism is certainly the number one promblem in the world today unfortunately. With dirty bombs etc in the USA, ecucation sure isn't going to mean much to our children. Let's ALL pray togethter that it never happens. I do happen to agree with Bush that the terroists only have to be right once. Hopefully, we will all look back at Iraq someday, and thank our lucky stars that most of the terroists traveled to one place to get wiped out. The only thing that I came out of the debate(JOKE), rather spin cycle chatter, is that we're all in a world of hurt for four more years.

Bob Reinsch 10 years, 11 months ago

I watched, and it was apparent who had more time to prepare. Kerry was smooth, articulate and didn't look as orange as I expected him to. Bush looked like a kid who just wrecked the family sedan and was pleading with mom& dad not to take away his driver's license. I'm a registered Republican, and I supported Bush in 2000. I have to admit that at times, Kerry owned Bush. Bush stuttered, and at times stared blankly into the camera. I work professionally as a speaker, presenter, instructor, and if I were to present myself as Bush did last night, I'd be embarrassed.

Bush has had a pretty good margin in the polls for awhile, but folks, I got to tell you, the Presidency is in play - so who do you support - The entitled, wealthy Bonesman from Yale or the entitled, wealthy Bonesman from Yale. No matter which you choose, I think we're all going to lose. It's time for better candidates.

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

I was unimpressed with Kerry up until last night. He was eloquent and informed and it surprised me. I was not surprised by Bush's lack of grace, however. They both batted around a lot of rhetoric but Bush is just a terrible debater and speaker. Now that's a fact! I hope that Kerry continues with his momentum in the domestic policy debate. Bush has very little to stand on in that forum. He needs to stop being on the defensive but I think that will be impossible because he is so bad at speaking. A good leader can admit when he's wrong (even a little) and Bush has never wavered (to the point of seeming stubborn, insensitive, and out-of-touch). I want someone with REAL political experience. 20 years as a senator and an obvious knowledge of foreign and domestic policy makes Kerry the man for me.

Punkin 10 years, 11 months ago

Kerry did a terrific job--I'll feel much more comfortable voting for him now. I was particularly impressed with his anti-war and anti-nuclear proliferation postions. I though he was articulate, confident and impressively knowledgable.

Bush is just terrible at public speaking. His facial expressions gave it all away--he would have rather been ANYWHERE than that podium. All he could do was repeat the same tired soundbytes over and over. He's an embarrasment to this county.

Dump Bush!

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

Was I insulting your intelligence, nicegirl? It was not a personal attack unless you make it that way. I was actually speaking generally about the pervasive attitudes in this country. We are now a nation who favors military bullying and resolute stubbornness over diplomacy and intelligence. That seems pretty stupid to me. If you want to join that club than its up to you.

Richard Heckler 10 years, 11 months ago

No

Sen. Kerry was articulate and in command of the facts. He speaks with conviction and knowledge.

He offered an exit strategy for Iraq. It will be tough pulling out of Iraq which cannot be done quickly. Going into Iraq was foolish.

His plan for terrorism is exactly what we should have been doing for the past 2.5 years instead of invading Iraq...a country very well contained with no fly zones. Going into Iraq is proving to be a huge waste of american tax dollars and human lives in general

His greatest assets are active duty military and 20 years experience as an elected representative considering the deficit, our foreign policy mess, environment and getting on track for using much less oil. Four years from now we'll see where Sen. Kerry has taken us. Getting us back to square one on many fronts is the task at hand.

Pres. Bush could not get away from 9/11, was on the defensive and never in command of the evening.

mr_daniels 10 years, 11 months ago

Correction: which not "witch". Lulu's post sorta got me into Holloween tinking!

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Nope, my mind has not changed at at all. My vote wil lbe the same as prior to the debates.

mrcairo 10 years, 11 months ago

I was embarrassed to be an American last night after watching Bush look like a deer caught in headlights. He never said anything of substance. His entire debate revolved around one thing, how he is the only person who can handle the 'terrorists'.

I especially loved the line where Bush said he met this woman whose husband was killed and how he 'LOVED' with her. LOL - The man is an idiot.

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

I have to admit that Kerry was pretty smooth and composed last night, however that is not enough for me. I prefer a candidate that comes across as "real". Real people stutter and have to think of the word that they want to use . A lack of grace or poor debating last night doesn't disqualify Bush as the best candidate in my eyes. The whole debate was too structured and wasn't even a debate at all. As previously mentioned by several posters, it was simply a rehashing of the candidates stump speeches and really didn;t provide much additional insight into their beliefs.

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

Is Bush real? If that's what you all think than Karl Rove has done his job well. If by "real", you mean his "speaking" style, than I understand. We all want someone we can relate to to lead us, right? Bush makes everyone feel better with his lack of eloquence because we are rapidly becoming an illiterate nation. It only figures that we need a defensive repeater of rhetoric to make us all feel better about ourselves. Personally, I want a prez that is confidant in his speaking and intelligent enough without looking smug (unlike Gore in 2000). Bush manages to look confused and smug at the same time!!!

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Carmenilla: I did mean his speaking style. As for insinuating a lack of intelligence on the part of those of us who identify with Bush better, well I'm sorry that you need to insult my intelligence to boost your own esteem. A smooth speech won't convince me that bilateral talks with North Korea is in our best interest and that a global summit will have the world holding hands and peace prevailing. Kerry kept eluding to his plans for a safer world and better relations but he never gave any specific points to do so. I'm glad that Bush is out there taking care of business rather than running a global popularity contest.

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

And does, "taking care of business" mean he's doing right by this country? Or does it mean he's a huge Elvis fan? Or does it mean he's working for our best interests as long as we don't question him? Or does it mean he's taking care of big business? What does "taking care of business" mean?

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

I guess if you keep talking about how much intelligence someone has then it might become true sometime. At least we are all free to have our own views and do not have to agree with everyone else.

Hi_Jinks: Your humor is really something. Some day I pick up what you put down and somedays I stare blankly at my screen and just wonder.

mrcairo 10 years, 11 months ago

On cnn.com, 71% of some 500,000 people say Kerry creamed Bush.

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 11 months ago

Dear Paul Tucker (pictured above)......

Your statement reads: "I can see what's happening and make my decision based on that, but it is interesting to see what they say, even if nothing different is said."

......It is interesting to see what they say, EVEN IF NOTHING DIFFERENT IS SAID???

Well, pardon me for asking, but.....If nothing different is said, then how does that make things "interesting"?

If nothing "different" is said....I would consider that "disappointing", myself.

But that's just me!

Anyway.....borrowing mrcairo's theme......

My favorite "Bushism" was when he said.....

"You cannot lead if you send mixed messages. Mixed messages send the wrong signals to our troops."

Ahhh.....Okay.....I'll buy that one.......

MIXED MESSAGES = WRONG SIGNALS

But I don't know.....Is it just me, or something? I mean, I was kinda hoping for something a little more "insightful" and "straightforward". .....Rather than something that sounded soo "nebulous" and "sound bite-ish".

Yeah, I know! I know!

George Bush isn't exactly one of the great thinkers and/or philosopers of our time! --Or any time, for that matter!

Good point! Sorry! I keep forgetting!

It's just that I have this "silly, old-fashioned notion" that a president is supposed to be, at the very least, articulate and insightful concerning matters that affect us all. Our president, it seems to me, isn't very good at doing so. (Or so it would seem.) And honestly, that "Texas twang" of his, and the way he repeatedly butchers the English language only makes things worse, in my book!!

Dubya speaks....

"Ring-ring. Ring-bling. It's the ring thing. I mean I think so, anyway! Heck, I'm from Texas! Y'all shouldn't mess with a Texan from Texas. Anyone know where Texas is? It's part of the southern American states. Well, south-central area. Central-southern US, or somethin' like that. It's near Mexico! Yeah, that's it! Right next to the Mexicans that...........live.............in.........Mexico. Did I say that right? I see y'all are laughin'? Laughin' at me, are ya? That's okay! I'm easy going, as a guy that is. And as a human being, too. A human guy like me don't take things personally that are mean that mean people, or a mean person might say! I'm a pretty good person that way. I believe that I think that I consider myself to be, anyway.--A good person, I mean!"

Lulu 10 years, 11 months ago

I am for REAL Larry and there are more of US out here than YOU!

Jimmy Olsen, I could eat you up XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO

If I wasn't married I would ask you on a date!

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

have a right to their own opinion, not has! Better clear that up so it doesn't confuse Jimmy!!!!!

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

can't touch his toe, not can.. Man - this watching football at the same time as trying to prove a point to Jimmy (in terms that he can understand) is difficult.

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Carmenilla: I'm just going to let it go for now. My kids are all tearing around the house like little demons (darn rain!). I do daycare and I guess I should get off here for a while since they have moved from my line of sight.

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

I'm stuck to the issue like glue. And Bob stop being so holier than thou. You've insulted liberals plenty o' times on this forum. We all do it to some extent. I'm no Lulu though because I actually TRY to make sense to those on the other side. This country will only get better with some understanding.

And nicegirl, we're not catfighting are we? Why must our civil disagreement be relegated to a hissy fit and a "catfight"? I wish you all the patience and wet wipes in the world, nicegirl. I used to run a home daycare and its not easy.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Kerry did do surprisingly well in the debate, but he still showed his true colors: no core beliefs, he did not lay out any precise foreign policy plans, and all he could do was talk about the President's failures. I hope Kerry enjoyed his recent spray on tan and his manicure b/c he'll lose the election in a little over a month from now!! Bush-Cheney '04!!!

laser_gun 10 years, 11 months ago

It's amazing how much time you "intellectuals" give to the issues of style and appearance. I mean it's the home of KU right? Look at the logic. Look at the contradictions and deception. If you make a decision, stick to it, have some value some core, something for other people to gripe about. If you try to please everyone you will please no one. The Democratic party is split 70/30 over the war already, how can Kerry appeal to both sides? "It would be doubly advantageous to be both for the war and against it:"

Kerry LIES, changes positions, throws away metals of honor, and alienates our allies and fighting men and women. Do you notice the anger and fire are gone from the Democratic party. They have nothing left to stand on.

Boy its fun to just sit back and watch them self destruct. I was honestly hoping Kerry would present a part of his plan for the next four years; all I heard was the same venomous rhetoric that has spewed forth from him, just like he was on the senate floor. No senator has ever been elected president and no senator will be elected in 2004!

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 11 months ago

laser_gun........

Actually 15 presidents were senators. The last one being Nixon.---That was over thirty years ago. So it's been a while since a senator became president. Is that what you meant to say?

madcow 10 years, 11 months ago

wow, some of you republinazis are real tools

no matter now much of an ass bush makes of himself, no matter how much he screws up, you are still going to vote for him.

thats why no one cares about your vote, because kerry knows he cant get it. this debate can not prove anything to you, but it proved everything to the "swing voters". it proved that kerry does have a plan, he acts more presidential than the president (which WILL have a positive impact on all relatoins), and he doesnt act like a lone cowboy.

Carmenilla 10 years, 11 months ago

Bush was preaching to the converted, the faithful and the extremely gullible. I didn't think much of Kerry before and was leaning towards Nader. Now I am confidant that Kerry has many redeeming qualities and the smarts to be in office. It only goes to show how that "liberal media" can misrepresent someone like Kerry. Its not until we see him speak on neutral ground that we can draw our own conclusions. I was buying into all the negative spin, too. But I know that I want a diplomat in office not a mumbling, bumbling, faux cowboy/ maverick.

mdkdc 10 years, 11 months ago

In my opinion, Bush would have really had to blow the debate to lose any ground in the election. It didn't turn out as well as it could have, but he didn't blow it.

Kerry likes to speak in grandiose terminology, with nothing to prop his statement up with. He just throws statements out that he knows people would like to hear. "I'm going to hunt down and kill the terrorists." Yeah right, only if he gets his permission slip signed by the U.N. and double checks with his wife to make sure it won't hurt any of the family businesses. I suppose that if North Korea, in his bilateral talks, tells him that they don't support any further tracking down and killing of terrorists, that he would give in to them, too.

And, if Kerry didn't need his tax cut (which I agree, he probably didn't), then he could have given it back. But, he didn't. It meant a lot to me and most of the people that I know. Whether I "needed" it, or not. The government gets to choose how to spend MY money, way too much of the time. What is it about the federal and state governments, that makes some people just want to line up and give it ALL the money you make for over five months worth of work, leaving you with just over half a year to provide for yourself and your loved ones?

Our economy was severely disrupted by terrorists and President Bush has done (with strong bilateral support) as much as any President could have done to get it back on track, with good success. At the same time, he was doing the best that anyone in his position could do, with the best information that was available, to help protect our country.

Bush made good decisions, based on erroneous information. Kerry just outright lies and makes stuff up, when it is convenient for him.

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Carmenilla, I had to feed the kids and sharpen my claws...... you know girls always catfight.

Jimmy_Olsen: Your points might be more effective if you tone down your criticisms. It's not necessary to be obnoxious to state your opinion.

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

Who are you to talk to me like that? What do you mean send someone else to serve?? My brother and my brother in law have both been over there serving! You are totally out of line and are just spewing crap that you know nothing about. Grow up.

nicegirl 10 years, 11 months ago

I'm done with you you. You have shown your character and intelligence level by the the way you have spoken. You are not worth anymore time or energy. It's called karma. It will come back and kick you in ass.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy_Olsen, you're a dipsh**.....try living in the real world and get a damn life.

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 11 months ago

Oh, alright already! Jimmy, go vote for Kerry, then urinate on a Bush/Cheney poster, and then conclude your day by playing with yourself while staring at your reflection in the mirror. (You are, after all, good looking, right?--BTW....Since when does looks have anthing to do with karma? Karma, as I understand it, is an internal thing--not external.)

Give it a rest!

Nicegirl.....just walk away. You've had a long day! It ain't worth it to continue going back and forth with this person.

P.S. Jimmy, you've seen dead bodies. So.....you're better than the rest of us?! And your stock response seems to be: Enlist! Serve! Shovel up human remains like I did!!

Say Jimmy, sounds to me like you had a lousy job in Uncle Sam's army back in '91. It used to be that the dumbf#*ks got those jobs. You know, the ones who scored much lower on their " mental strengths and abilities" exam than everyone else. If you were (are) too stupid to fly planes or help navigate a tank in battle, whose fault is that? Don't load the rest of us with your.."I've seen blood and guts! You haven't! So FU!!" Please, Jim!

Honestly....If I ever saw YOU get blown to bits, it wouldn't bother me none shoveling up what's left of you into a plastic Wal Mart bag or, assuming there's enough of you left, maybe a Hefty lawn and leaf bag or whatever.---And it wouldn't matter to me if you died because of oil or not!

And you know why it wouldn't bother me, Jim? Because smug, self-righteous, smart-ass, sanctimonious, know-it-all, a$$holes like you make me sick! Go to Hawaii already. Maybe you'll drown surfing!---There's your karma for today, prick!

P.S. If you're reading this...Sorry, nicegirl. Unlike you, and much to my chagrin, I'm not above throwing crap (Human remains?) back at someone like "Jimbo".

Fishman 10 years, 11 months ago

Hmmmm................. What an interesting day of posts! Ol Jimmy seems to have some issues. You know Jimmy there is nothing at all wrong with seeking some help for your anger problem. I've had to do it myself before. It will eat you alive Jimmy. Who knows, maybe some of it stems from serving in Desert Storm? Who am I to say what drives you. Your behavior reminds me of the angry person in the car that forces your car out of your lane, all the while screaming and flipping you the bird. I guess they feel safe when they feel nobody can harm them when they can just drive away. All I can say is don't for a second believe that John Kerry is a magic potion for all the countries problems, just as George Bush isn't either. We are all in for a changing world.

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

Hey Madcow - all the debate proved to me is that Kerry is a slick talking politician. The guy wouldn't give you or me the time of day if we ran into him on the streets in a NON-election year. President Bush is the total opposite! No - he isn't a great speaker but his heart and mind are in the correct place. Kerry wants the office because Kerry wants the attention that surrounds the position. Bush wants to be reelected because he wants to make America safer. It makes me sick that people can let a man with Kerry's senate voting history and rich spouse chasing history totally snow them over SIMPLY because he is a great speaker. He is smooth, he is slick and he is the last guy that you'd want dating your daughter. If my daughter brought John Kerry to my front door, I'd grab the 9mm and tell him to leave. John Kerry is EDDIE HASKEL from Leave It To Beaver!!!! Think about it! He only says what he thinks you want to hear, then back tracks when he figures out he made a mistake. John "eddie haskel" Kerry

Did anyone notice that after Bush EMPHASIZED that the war on terrorism is a global war, Kerry turned around and stated that Bush claimed that Iraq is the center point of terrorism? Unbelievable!

Jimmy_Olson - How the heck do we know that your for real? I have have yet to speak with a military soldier who doesn't support George W. Bush. I have a friend in every branch and they all support W Bush. That says enough to me. You, me or anyone else can say anything on this site and no one else will ever know if it is true. I'll trust my buddies over you.

Have a good weekend nicegirl. You don't deserve that obnoxious jerk ripping into you. My wife tried daycare when we were much younger and she lasted two years. It wasn't worth the wear and tear on the house and the wear and tear on the emotions. You have ONE TOUGH JOB!

Bugbear 10 years, 11 months ago

Me thinks Jimmy is some sort of "psycho-vet". I sure hope he doesn't work for the post office! If so, then pity his poor, unsuspecting co-workers!

KawValleyGirl 10 years, 11 months ago

He may have been tired and weary at the end of a very hard day, Bush isn't eloquint nor is he high society, he is an American and he is the President. Not many Americans are good public speakers, but Americans by Bush's own words are, "A very generous and good people." That's what he said about the people in the country he leads. It was written earlier that he loving the woman he met, who's husband had died in battle was, "unbelievable." Only those who don't love don't believe. And no matter who you are or what you do, loving is a much better quality than hating your people. Anyone who has used this topic or election or anything else to put down and insult one of our people here, is not a good neighbor. I support George Bush and as I see it, he will be the victor in this election! Peace be with you all!

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

Lulu - You're not for real. No way can any citizen who is mentally that far away from reality avoid being locked away. Sorry Lulu or whatever your name is - I still think you're a fraud.

Blessings and Peace.

Larry

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy_Olsen - I know who you are! You are that kid that everyone picked on in PE when playing dodgeball. You've never gotten over that, so you now make it your life goal to ridicule and badger other people, especially those who don't agree with you. I'm so sorry if I was one of those people who use to beam you in the head with a playground ball flying at 90 mph. Please forgive me and get some professional help. It must be terrible to be so depressed and filled with so much hate. You have my sympathy and the compassion that I'm feeling for you and others like you is what keeps me from resorting to your low life bashing of other people who simply like to voice their opinion in this discussion board. The way you behave reminds me of an individual with such low self-esteem that the only way to make himself feel good is simply to belittle others in order to make yourself feel better. How sad! Get some help, with you?

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy_Olsen, you are something else....I can't tell if you are for real or if you're some 14-year old kid screwing around on this message board.....some of the stuff you're writing on here is pretty unbelievable.

I respect John Kerry for serving our country in Vietnam (and you for that matter if you really did serve in Desert Storm). But I cannot trust John Kerry to lead the U.S. as commander in chief after what he did during/after Vietnam (obtaining what some contend are questionable purple hearts; accusing the US of committing atrocities, especially while we had soldiers who were being held captive; throwing back his medals/ribbons, etc......) Bush has shown to be a strong leader following 9/11 and the ensuing war on terrorism.....if Kerry is elected, he'll place the security of the U.S. in the hands of the worthless U.N. (which can't even enforce its own resolutions or handle security situations) which would be a huge mistake.....God help us all should Kerry be elected. I will do my part to make sure Kerry isn't elected.

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy,

You have no idea what your talking about or who your talking to! Just because you, John Kerry, me, my dog, or John Doe served in the military doesn't mean that everyone should NOT has a right to their own opinion. Giving people the right to voice an opinion is what we all fought for, correct? Going around tooting your own horn is ridiculous and an embarrassment to all the good men and woman who have served in the military honorably. If only you had an ounce of class compared to my neighbor (WW II) vet, you'd understand how crazy you sound on this site. I admire this man about as much as any veteran I've ever befriended and you can touch his little toe when it comes to dignity. Get a life or go hide in a hole so the rest of us can enjoy debating each other without having to get blasted by an individual who must have the maturity level of a kindergarten student.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy, what exactly are you informed about? All you do is say how "stupid" republicans are and talk crap. Excuse me all-mighty and all-knowing Jimmy, I am so unworthy and you are so much smarter than me.....geez, who am I to debate about issues like this?

I am 24 years old, so I don't know too much about Vietnam since it was before my time or Desert Storm b/c I was only 10 or 11 when it happened, but I've gone to college and have a master's degree, so I feel like I'm a fairly educated person. I also watch the news and know what is going on in the world, so I feel like I am fairly informed on what is going on.

I will say it again, the UN is worthless....I personally don't want the President (whoever it may be) to have to go to those bumbling fools in order to get approval to defend our country. I don't give a sh*t if France, Germany, or any other country hates us....they don't have any problem with us when it comes to economics and selling their goods to us and gladly accept our money.....they are just jealous that the U.S. is the most powerful nation on this planet.

Yep, I just visited the "wall" 2 weeks ago, and it was a very solemn experience (even though I couldn't see half of it b/c of construction). Jimmy, it's obvious you are a Kool-Aid drinking Democrat, so you are really just blind as to how bad of a candidate Kerry is....flip flop, flip flop. Peace.

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

As I said - you have no idea who your talking to! Go cry a river in California with the rest of the liberals. You are a sad, sad individual. Even at the beginning of the debate, Kerry said Saddam wasn't a threat, then by the end of the debate, Kerry states that Saddam was a threat. Geez, are you that slow mentally that you couldn't catch that! Jimmy - you're just a cry baby! Plain and simply- a cry baby who wants to shout to the world, look at me, look at me, you all owe me because I know better. I'm the ONLY soldier who ever served and no one knows better than me, (unless of course they agree with me). But all those idiots (your words, not mine) who disagree with me should never voice an opinion because I'm the ONLY soldier who ever served and I know better. (pat on back, pat on back) Any soldier who believes in and supports President Bush is an idiot (your words) and he must have brain damage for fighting Bush's war. WAAAAAAA WAAAAAAA WAAAAAA.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Wow, Jimmy, you're right....I am a mindless parrot and an idiot. If that is really true I'd like to know what you are. In your words, Bush is "Lil' Hitler." Gee, that's really cute and classy.....you really are a wacko, far-left liberal nut, aren't you? When I was in D.C. 2 weeks ago, I walked through a Kerry "rally" in the middle of a city park, where people were smoking weed and holding up some less-than intelligent signs such as "Bush eats human flesh." I am sure that you would fit in with those wackos quite well.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

So, should we let these radical Arab countries sit and stew in hate and their f*cked up totalitarian governments? Remember 9/11? Those bastards who hijacked those planes were of Arab descent. Something is going on in these Arab countries to teach some Arabs to hate the U.S. to do things of that magnitude, and I think the U.S. should try to do something about it. Bringing democracy to Arab countries will help free Arabs from wacko, radical dictators who preach hate against the U.S. and other free people of the world. Do you really think that if we ignore the Arab world that their hatred of the U.S. will disappear? Their hatred started long before the Iraq war, just look at 9/11. 9/11 had been brewing for about a decade before it happened. So are you saying the war on terrorism is not worth it? Would you rather have our forces fight terrorists overseas or just wait for the terrorists to get on U.S. soil and wreak havoc before we confront them? Please give me some answers almighty, all-knowing, all-wise Jimmy. I mean, you have supposedly seen everything and been everywhere, so please let me know your crazy far left answers to our problems. Out.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

You said "They will never be able to organize and assault us on our land." Are you out of your mind?! 19 of those terrorists organized and trained here in the U.S. and abroad and attacked us HERE in the U.S. on 9-11-01. Were you asleep during that attack? Geez, wake up.

Then you said, "They will probably do another attack, but nothing in a conventional sense." What does that even mean? You act like its no big deal that we might be attacked again. You probably don't even think that there is a real terrorist threat facing us today. You are one interesting character.

The rest of what you wrote (just like most everything else you put on here)was basically incoherent babble and ranting. You didn't answer any of the questions that I asked in my previous post.....you avoided them just like Kerry would. Bravo!

Larry 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy "Satan" Olsen - I notice that you didn't capitalized Christ, but you do capitalized HELL. That explains everything, doesn't it!!!!!! What do you think Jay_Z. Jimmy is a wolf in sheep's clothing or maybe he is a man in woman's clothing or a woman in man's clothing. He definitely isn't sane, I do know that!!!!! Maybe he is Lulu's brother! It all makes sense now. You know what, this is quite fun. I haven't made a point yet but Jimmy is a psychological disaster waiting to happen. His/her brain must be warped from all the joints over a lifetime of drugs, sex and liberal viewpoints. He is a b__tard in sheeps clothing. He is an ex military guy who probably is AWOL or had a dishonorable discharge and now is after President Bush because Jimmy_BOY enrolled in the GI bill with never a thought that he would get called to duty. What about it GI BOY? If your true military, then you know that the regular enlisted MEN can't stand it when you GI BOYS start whining about serving. You just a sick, idiot whose needs his mommy to baby him a tad bit more. Wow Jimmy BOY - this feels good. I haven't made one point here but I have enjoyed blasting you because you don't agree with me. Oh boy, oh boy do I feel like a man now. How about nicegirl? What do you think? You should try it! On second thought nicegirl, you're probably correct in simply not reading a word of Jimmy BOYS comments as he has obviously escaped from the psycho ward at the VA hospital up in Leavenworth. I think I remember a posting last week while up there. Wait, that can't be because you received a dishonorable discharge.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy, well no sh*t, you don't say....I had no idea these terrorists were not an organized army. Good lord, you are out of your freaking skull. Thanks for letting me know these terrorists are not an organized army.

Larry, you are absolutely correct...I think Jimmy and Lulu are related or maybe married or possibly even both. If in fact Jimmy did serve our country, he obviously has some sort of axe to grind and has become disillusioned. Jimmy you aren't speaking like someone who is proud of his country or who served his country honorably. My grandpa served in WWII and certainly doesn't share in your thoughts....I imagine most people who have served or are serving do not share your INSANE viewpoints. Yes, Jimmy did escape the psycho ward and needs to check back in.

Jimmy, it is impossible to hold a sensible debate with you because you are a very disillusioned, disturbed, irrational person, and I'm not saying that because you are a Democrat. There are a few democrats out there that are rational thinkers, but you sure aren't one of them. Please, start taking your medication again or take an anger management class.

Jay_Z 10 years, 11 months ago

Jimmy, you're an independent? That's kinda hard to believe. Your rhetoric sounds like that of liberal wack jobs such as Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy.

Well Jimmy, I've wasted enough of my day on this message board.....have fun with all of those guns you crazy b@stard.

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