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Should Kansas University students be forced to sit down at the basketball games so the faculty can see over them?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 11, 2004

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Photo of Erin Carmody

“No. I think it would dampen the spirit at the game a lot.”

Photo of Chris Janssen

“Yes. The faculty’s superior intellect should take precedent over the students’ basketball craze. After a hard day of educating, they should be able to sit down and watch the game.”

Photo of Ryan Shanahan

“Of course not. It’s important for the students to get into it. It’s important for that energy to be there for the atmosphere of the game.”

Photo of Ann Sargent

“No. It’s a tradition. The faculty can stand or move if they want to see the game.”


PigFarmer 13 years, 6 months ago

Sure make them sit down, have all their homework done and no booze prior or after a game. THis will work and be easy to enforce and raise the moral.

Larry 13 years, 6 months ago

The older I get, the more I want to sit down. However, when I was younger, I would have been extremely upset if I was told to sit down. That is what makes Allen Fieldhouse such a great place to watch basketball. Keep em' up and keep em' loud. I agree with Ann above! If I'm too tired to stand and scream, I'll stay home and sit (and scream)... Oh boy, my wife loves it when I do that!

JHAWKGURL 13 years, 6 months ago

HE DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave them alone. Why do you think Allan Fieldhouse is so rich with tradition??? Because of things like is a freaking tradition!!!!!!!!!!!! JEEZ...leave it alone

Go ahead ask one of the players what they think???? Someitmes the student section gets pretty loud and raises the roof which is what them boys need to keep them inspired!

Funnybone 13 years, 6 months ago

What kind of question was this? Can we think of anything better than that to ask???

Hi_Jinks 13 years, 6 months ago

How the heck would you go about enforcing something like that??!!

In practical terms/realistically speaking.........I really don't see how you can "make" A WHOLE LOT OF EXTREMELY EXUBERANT YOUNG PEOPLE sit down at a sporting event!---For even five minutes mind you, never mind the entire length of the game!

acg 13 years, 6 months ago

Oh waaaa, the faculty can't see at the games? What a bunch of whiners. If it's that much of a problem take your happy a**es home and watch it in the comfort of your own quiet little living room, where no one will be jumping, clapping or showing any spirit anywhere in your line of sight. OMG, I'm so tired of people whining!!

Hi_Jinks 13 years, 6 months ago

BTW...."EXTREMELY EXUBERANT" is an intentional redundancy!

Has anyone ever seen kids at a sporting event?--Any sporting event?! Be it a sport at the high school, college, or professional level! Young people like to go nuts at sporting events! And part of "going nuts" involves jumping up and down!

craigers 13 years, 6 months ago

No, how long have they been standing and now the faculty wants to change it. What is up with that? Let the old professors sit at home and watch the game with their martinis in hand and gather together with each other to whine about not getting paid enough to have TA doe their job for them.

remember_username 13 years, 6 months ago

Who comes up with these questions? Here it is...Veterans Day...and this is the question on the street?

What about "How do you plan to celebrate Veterans Day?" or "What does Veterans Day mean to you?" or even "Should the university continue to spend resources in observance of Veterans Day?".

Jeez...standing and sitting at sporting

Libcon 13 years, 6 months ago

I think it is stupid to stand. That is why there are seats. Who wants to pay for a game they cannot see? Students should sit down, you can be just as loud sitting.

Besides it's not a tradition if everyone doesn't do it.

Lulu 13 years, 6 months ago

Though I do not beleive in competition, if one were to go to one of these "games" then the students should sit down in respect for their elders. Some elderly people have a hard time standing for long periods of time. It is tantamount to discrimination if students are allowed to stand and block out a person's view. Everyone should sit down on their nice comfortable chairs or benches or whatever people sit on in that place. If the students refuse to take an order, then a police action should be used to disperse the crowd that is standing. Plus, sitting down will give KU a great P.R. opportunity, if they have television exposure. I read that students are required to do this in other auditoriums, so KU should jump on the band wagon. It will show that KU is in all favor of equality. Also, I think women should have the closer seats because we are shorter in stature. Sitting behind a man in the theater can be hard to see around. I don't see any difference at one of these "games".

ms_canada 13 years, 6 months ago

is this a university or what? why has no one thought of the simple solution; have the faculty sit in front! or is there some problem with the seating arrangement, is it not possible for them to sit in front? why do they have to sit at the back? just curious. and yes, why a question like this on such a day? this is a day to remember and pray.

Jay_Z 13 years, 6 months ago

Ms_Canada, the students only get to sit in front right behind the baskets and right behind the KU you want to shove all the students in the rafters so some faculty don't have to stand up? Geez, I'm glad you're not running the program. Old people, stand up!

Fangorn 13 years, 6 months ago

Lulu, is George W. Bush older than you (i.e. your elder)? Do you respect him? And I just want to make sure I understand you correctly: it's acceptable for protestors purposefully to block traffic, but it's not okay for fans at a basketball game inadvertently to block someone's view? It's very hard to take you seriously most (all?) of the time, but you are entertaining and the forum wouldn't be the same without you. Btw, we missed you yesterday.

Regarding the question, remember_username and ms_canada are absolutely correct. Surely someone at the Journal World could have come up with a more apropos question for Veterans' Day. Or perhaps none of them remembered the significance of November 11?

[ms_canada, I think you may have sent some of your weather our way. It's finally starting to feel like autumn. Try to send us some actual snow this winter. Alberta gets quite enough. All we usually get in Kansas are snow "showers".]

teach1reach1 13 years, 6 months ago

As a student, on the occasions I got tickets to the bball game, it was fun to be in the enthusiastic student "standing" section. Having gone as a grad, and finding my tickets put me right behind the student section, it was frustrating to pay money and not see anything unless you stood also. You would think they could arrange the seating and make that whole corner student "seating" and find another spot for those of us who are still young in heart but not in body.

nicegirl 13 years, 6 months ago

Lulu actually spelled "women" correctly today! And it's absurd to expect law enforcement officials to waste their time making students sit at a basketball game. Get real. Oh wait, this is lulu I am talking about. Never mind.

Adam 13 years, 6 months ago

Sit down?? You've got to be kidding me. The only thing I have against Allen Fieldhouse is that the student section doesn't encircle the court. I wish we had a seating configuration more like Duke does at Cameron. And no, I'm not a student.

Libcon 13 years, 6 months ago

I think Lulu is right. I do agree with competition, but who needs to stand, you can see the game fine sitting down. At home no one stands when they watch the game.

Fangorn 13 years, 6 months ago

Libcon, you've never been to a game at my house.

nicegirl 13 years, 6 months ago

Or mine. We've been known to jump and scream and fling ourselves on the floor!

Reader 13 years, 6 months ago

Btch,Btch,B*tch, That's All This "Whine And Sheeze" Crowd Can Do. In My Opinion "You Got What You Paid Or (Donated) For". You Should Be Thankful You Got Tickets, That Others Reluctantly Had To Give Up. I Would Love To Be In The Front Row Cheering On My "Home Town" University Team, But I Just Can't Afford It! So I Sit At Home And Watch, Cheer, And Stand Up, And Whatever Else It Takes To Enjoy The Game. Also To Get A Good View Of "Who" The "Whiners" Are Who Think They Really Deserve Those Prime High Dollar Seats In The First Place. I Admit, There's Nothing Better Than Being There "In Person" But The Price I Would Have To Pay Would Set Me Back A Few $$$$'s. The Money I've Saved, ie. Ticket Prices, Parking Fees, (Possible Towing Fees For Some) Maybe A Drink Or 2, Popcorn Or Nachos, Are All An Arm Reach Away In My Livingroom. We Invested In A HD Big Screen TV To Enjoy Them At Home, It's "Almost" Like Being There. (Front Row And Center) You Know "Some Of Us" Do What We Gotta Do, This Is How My Family Did It. It Works For Us, Maybe Not For Others, I Don't Know?
Until Then, I'd Say "Keep Em Standing, Cheering, And Waving The Wheat. Let This Great Nation Of Ours Know, Who's You're Daddy!" I'll Be Watching!! GO JAYHAWKS!!!!!

ms_canada 13 years, 6 months ago

Jay_Z i have never been in the field house so don't know where the students sit, don't want to run the program, just was curious as to why the faculty have to sit at the top/back. fangorn - we would gladly share some of our snow in good years. we don't always get an over abundance of the stuff. and the farmers need it for the ground level moisture. would you believe we had a 4 inch fall of heavy snow the third week of sept. this year. i had to cut down 7 trees that were so hopelessly bent over. with the leaves still on the snow was trapped. one of my lovely birch trees broke right off about 5 feet above ground. that was freaky. any way i hope all posters are seriously remembering the vets. believe it or not canadian soldiers have fought and died in the various wars although not in iraq. and before someone berates me for that, remember it was a government decision and not everyone here agreed with it. a question i would like to see posted some day is "do you believe the war on terrorism can ever be won, given that there is no real battlefield?" might produce some intersting answers and comments. and lastly - larry i sometimes think that you only read every second sentence in a post because you get things wrong or is it on purpose to stir one up.

missmagoo 13 years, 6 months ago

lulu, i won't even go there with you today.

what a stupid concept about students sitting down at games. i will never sit at a ku game except at halftime. players (ie jr giddens article in monday's ljw) feed off of the crowd and it makes allen fieldhouse one of the most intimidating arenas in the nation to play at. i really can't believe this is an issue. faculty schmaculty.

BasketballJonesKU 13 years, 6 months ago

Please say that this question is being asked because the lame staff at LJW ran out of ideas. I surely hope that the University isn't actually thinking of doing this. If so, then let it be confirmed that Lew Perkins and the staff in the athletics det. is a group of complete monkeys. Add this to the list of incompetencies such as the "point system" for allottment of tickets, and the moving of people's seats who have been donating for years. Standing up during the games is part of the great tradition at AFH, and a major reason why year in and year out, AFH is ranked as one of THE TOUGHEST places to play college basketball. Even ole' "what's his name" said that AFH is the "greatest place to play and COACH college basketball."

I hope this is not something that is enforced. Last year, I was asked to sit down, in a reserved GA section, mind you, and I laughed at the guy, nearly getting in a fight, because I said to him "this must be your first game here, because standing up is what we do."


Libcon 13 years, 6 months ago

I think everyone should leave Lulu alone, she is entitled to her own opinion. Just because she doesn't agree with the majority does not make her bad. Why is she always being picked on? Her answer was not even that bad.

Fangorn 13 years, 6 months ago

I think I may have met "Lulu" (or at least one of them) when I was at the Library today with my two children. I couldn't say for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see this woman's words in a post by Lulu. I can't say that I enjoyed the encounter.

Libcon- I think Lulu needs to be "picked on", as you put it. Why else would she post the way she does? Her remarks usually beg to be flamed! Don't think of it as picking on her. Try to think of it as members of this community meeting the needs of one of their own.

acg 13 years, 6 months ago

Okay, normally I don't say anything re: Lulu's posts. I find her posts to be amusing, but today I have to take exception. Police action to disperse the students that won't sit down? You've got to be freakin' kidding me.

missmagoo 13 years, 6 months ago

its very amuzing how they spend so much dang time on coming up with this "perfect" seating plan that "benefits both students, faculty, and alumni" and THEY DIDN'T THINK OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE????

is this really even an issue or is this a joke??

Larry 13 years, 6 months ago

Good job Lulu. I'm sure that the reactions that you caused today will provide great material for your research project.

In regards to the question, how about this? We let the students take as many tickets as they need. We put up huge video boards inside the indoor track/football facility and let the alumni go over there and socialize. They can sit all they want, eat, drink and we can even have the cameras come over and shoot a live scene for the people at home. That way, the alumnis can get their TV exposure and we can fill up Allen Fieldhouse with 16,000 screaming, standing, wild and crazy students. WOW! How wild and loud would it get in Allen with 16,000 of these students?

ms canada - be nice now. I read every sentence, but I just don't see things the way the far left does. If you've been reading this discussion board for awhile, you're probably starting to figure out that the City of Lawrence is very liberal - which means I won't agree with most people who post on this site. Man- I need to go start the fireplace up as it has dropped down into the low 40's outside with the possibility of low 30's tonight. Those temperatures probably don't bother you at all, do they?

ms_canada 13 years, 6 months ago

larry - i wasn't trying to be nasty. i just think you don't always understand what i say. i guess i am an odd ball on this forum. i really don't have any business posting here. i think i found this site a couple of weeks ago when i was looking up electoral college on the web and happened on the ljw site which asked that e. c. question. just made what i thought was an innocent comment and bob jumped on my bones and that got me going. your electoral system is so different from ours that it intrigued me. i am neither liberal nor conservative. would not have voted for either kerry or bush. when i was visiting my sister in montana i went with her to a repub. ladies luncheon and got a sample ballot. sis told me that the empty lines at the bottom were for write in choices. i thought if i was voting i would write in aragorn for pres. and frodo as running mate. that made a lot of sense to me as they are true heros saving the world like that. any way, it is a beaut of a day here. about 3 or 4 below celcius. no snow, sun brilliant. ciao now.

Adam 13 years, 6 months ago

I've got a better idea. Why don't we just take out all the benches and make it standing room only. That'd solve the problem and get the energy level up a notch.

penguin 13 years, 6 months ago

the athletic dept has taken every other step to kill the feeling of college basketball in the fieldhouse. They gave the best seats up to people who have no care to cheer and make the fieldhouse an imposing environment. This seeting situation was solved long ago. What were the faculty thinking when they saw the configuration and saw that they were behind student seats....that the students would sit down. Also if they did not see this coming it shows their ignorance of the fieldhouse...I don't think I have ever noticed a time when students have sat down during a game. So they knew already what was going to happen and are just upset that they did not pay closer attention when the seating was being worked out.

I can think of the most intimidating arenas for college basketball and what do they all have in common....loud, rowdy, and wild college students. Never have a I seen a Duke professor or donor bouncing in Cameron. Never have I seen a KU professor or donor jump up and down making the opponents feel like they are playingin a silo. The list goes on of other college arenas.

If you ask me students get a raw deal already in the area of seats. At least let them make Allen Fieldhouse...Allen Fieldhouse. I mean why don't we make all students across the NCAA sitdown to accomidate everyone else. The idea is just ridiculous. I say get louder and prouder and make the opponents feel like they are going to cry under all that pressue.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk GO KU!

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