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Do you think people should remove their bumper stickers now that the election is over?

Asked at Hastings, 1900 W. 23rd St. on November 5, 2004

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“Yes. Why keep it on? But it’s really up to them.”

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“Frankly, I think it’s up to them. It looks a little ridiculous, but I don’t hold it against people.”

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“If they can get them off of their car, they should.”

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“It’s funny that you mention that. I just saw a Kerry sticker on the way in here. It doesn’t really matter, but they might want to take it off if they lost.”

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Larry 9 years, 5 months ago

staff 04

I could be wrong but I believe that two or three other counties in the southwest portion of the state did have a majority of voters for Kerry. Ironic as it sounds, I believe that the city of Liberal, Kansas is located in one of those counties. Seriously! Have a great evening.

Larry

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ms_canada 9 years, 5 months ago

you know, fangorn, i just can't remember how i happened upon this site. it was the day before your election and the question about the EC came up. i had been reading about it online and just wanted to make a comment, but i screwed up and said too much. i was immediately told off and told it was none of my business and replied that i thought it was my business because the whole world suffers and gains by decisions make by the us gov. no i am not a student in any institute of learning but am a student of the school of the world. i read extensively and am concerned about people all over the world. i am extremely afraid for the future of the world because i believe that the war on terrorism is an unwinable war unless we try to understand the backgroung of the extremely strong feelings of the terrorists. i was looking around online and happened upon the web site of the us dept. of state. They have a long, long list of acts of terror perpetrated during 2003. it makes interesting reading here is the address if anyone is interested. www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/33... keep the faith guys!!!!!!!

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn: Glad you liked it. It was truly a treasure trove to find.

Consumer1: Leav'n at 3 this morning.

Sayoonara

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

If I were to travel to Canada right now, I might be mistaken for one of the liberals fleeing the . . . Re-election of Bush! (cue eerie background music) But when I eventually travel to Canada, Alberta will be my destination. I was born in Wyoming and spent time living in Colorado and Northern Arizona (utterly unlike southern Arizona). I love the mountains. Your province is absolutely gorgeous. Makes me wish I knew how to ski, although I do enjoy horseback riding. And I'm sure your horses appreciate the absence of adhesive political adornment on their rears!

btw, if you're in Alberta, how did you end up posting to Kansas newspaper?! Are you a KU student?

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ms_canada 9 years, 5 months ago

Heh fangorn - how about flying up here to alberta and we could go for a lovely canter over fields and watch the sun go down over the rolling prairie plains. my horses have no stickers on their rear ends. nothing to distract us from the view.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

OK, Jonas, I've read all 94 "Flame Warrior" descriptions. Absolutely bloody hilarious. I could see myself in several of them (and it wasn't always a positive thing!)

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm glad nicegirl and Hi_Jinks resolved their misunderstanding. In written forums, we lose all of the nonverbals that comprise the majority of our communication. Tone of voice, facial expression, posture, emphasis, all are lost when simply typing. I dislike not having underline, bold, or italics in these postings. I don't know what transpired between those two, but chances are if they were talking face-to-face fuller communcation would have taken place and the misunderstanding would not have happened.

We really are a community here. As long as we recognize that each of us has a right to express an opinion (hopefully one that is supported), that we are bound to disagree some (most?) of the time, have a little respect for each other, and maintain at least a little sense of humor, these postings can be a lot of fun. I have no idea who any of you are. But I begin to recognize some of your usernames and what I might expect from each of you. Check out this site Jonas gave us earlier, and see if you see yourself (or any of the rest of us) in these hilarious stereotypes. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Larry 9 years, 5 months ago

Holy Cow! It only took three days for the liberal media to start crying about election fraud. Come on mrcairo - give it up.

Hey, I home early and I'm off to an early dinner with my lovely wife! It is great to eat before 6PM! Praise the Lord! Whoops -didn't mean to push my religious views on others. Have a great weekend. Let us hope that the Jayhawks can pull off a victory tomorrow. I'll be tailgating on the hill as usually so you guys come by and have a chat. I'll be looking for Lulu on her moped!! :O)

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mr_daniels 9 years, 5 months ago

mrcairo, cnn is not a credible news source! Here is an Iraqi bloggers point of view instead of cnn crappola:

www.messopotamian.blogspot.com

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nicegirl 9 years, 5 months ago

I remember Hi_jinks. Now we love each other!

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mrcairo 9 years, 5 months ago

The election was rigged, all those soldiers fighing and dying for our right to vote are dying for nothing:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, I know what you mean nicegirl! Remember that time you and I had that "misunderstanding" a while back? ---Sometimes sending notes to others in place of talking face-to-face can be a bit of a challenge. It can be a little more difficult to get one's point across! And sometimes you can try to be funny, as opposed to being mean, but unfortunately, it doesn't always turn out that way! Oh, well!

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 5 months ago

acg.......

You think that George Bush suffers from "little man syndrome"?? ..........Relatively speaking, W. isn't really that small. Standing next to Kerry made him look small because Kerry stands about 6'4". I think Bush is about 5'11"--or very close to that.

Anyway, I'm positive that Ross Perot suffered from "small man syndrome"!! (And probably still does!) He's only about, what?, 5'6" or something? And hey, remember what his ears looked like? They were positively huge-looking on that tiny, little shaved head of his!

Now, I've heard people make fun of Bush's ears, and some people I know think that Bush has "elf ears".....Well, if that's true, then Perot has "elephant ears"!!!

P.S. Speaking of ears.....It occurs to me that Dan Rather has enormous ears too! Hmmm........

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nicegirl 9 years, 5 months ago

I also responded not all too politely to "me" and her remarks yesterday. I am truly sorry for the tragic loss of her loved ones and my heart and prayers go out to her. My brother is active duty Air Force and while he has not been deployed to due some very serious injuries he received in an accident while stationed in Italy, I know what it is like to have a loved one in harms way. I just don't respond well to those who use name calling, bullying and steroetyping as a way to get their point across. It will not change my political affiliation to do so. While I agree that some of us get a little out of line with our humor and name calling, it is generally in a fun way between people that are okay with it and understand each other, not that it is appropriate but it is not meant to be hurtful.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

acg: remember_username is correct. Obviously the presidential tickets on a ballot are the most pressing concern. But there are always other issues. Who do you want to represent you in Congress? Probably Moore (Dennis, not Michael). Moore didn't need your vote this time around, but what if he did? You still have a voice. I would rather be engaged by someone who thoughtfully disagrees with me than distracted by someone who mindlessly disagrees with me.

Regarding your first post, it did sound angry at first read. Upon re-reading it, perhaps it was more "defensive" than angry. I will not fault someone for defending a friend. None of us is untouched by the war on terror, and I empathize with "me's" loss. However, she (I apologize if I used male pronouns) did engage in purely ad hominem remarks. It took me two and a half posts to reply to her name-calling. . . and I still only got to half of her invective. If she wants to contribute to the discussion, then by all means welcome. But calling someone (even the President) a "beady eyed looking little leprechaun" doesn't contribute.

consumer1: I hope I didn't sound too harsh. In knew you were just trying to be humorous, but I just wanted to nudge the discussion back into a more productive direction. A month or two ago, I did nuke some . . . person who called the recycling center workers "'tards". He (or she) was just trying to be hurtful. You are correct, though, about the double-standard in slander. Some groups are perfectly safe to slime. And that's not right.

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consumer1 9 years, 5 months ago

acg. I am sorry. Your post seemed like you were derailing. I guess the final sentence seemed more like the demand of an angry person rather than a polite request. You are correct there are some wonderful postings on here. There are also some pretty bad name calling episodes. By the way, I wasn't railing on your friend. I was only pointing out how sometimes name calling seems inoffensive when we use derogitory caucasion stereotypes to offend someone.

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Liberty 9 years, 5 months ago

I am trying to respond to you bluemaster, but unable to log in... anyway:

I support what ever party that will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Today, that would include the Constitution Party mainly, and the Libertarian party for the most part and possibly others. Remember:

Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty.

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acg 9 years, 5 months ago

And, to keep prattling on about this, I'm sure in a few days (weeks?) "me" will feel badly about how she acted/reacted to the republicans that post on this board because I've known her for 17 years and have always known her to be a honest, straightforward, open minded person. I've also known her to enjoy the ljworld post section, as she was who turned me onto the great conversations (albeit a bit odd at times) that go on in here.

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acg 9 years, 5 months ago

Nothing about my post was angry, consumer1, I think its you who needs to reread before commenting. You'll notice that I said nothing deragotory about any of you, yet you all seem ready to chew someone up and spit them out at the drop of a hat. I have never posted on this board before today, but I read the posts almost on a daily basis. How you guys attack one another astounds me. I was simply stating how I feel about the two candidates and that "me" had good reason, maybe not a good excuse, but a good reason, to feel so dejected, sad and angry.

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

acg: I am very sorry you didn't vote in the last election. I think that that is the worst thing one can do to enact change. There were other things at issue besides the election of the president, perhaps at least some judges you wanted out from power. It doesn't sound like you're apathetic but think about what it says to the rest of the country and the rest of the world when 40% of this country are not engaged.

To those who have lost loved ones: There is nothing that anyone can say to alleviate the pain of loss in war, I have been there...and I understand.

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italianprincess 9 years, 5 months ago

I will pray for her nephew to come home safe and sound to his family. With Fallujah about to be hit by our soldiers, we should all be praying for them.

God Bless your nephew and may he be watched over from above.

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consumer1 9 years, 5 months ago

acg

My you are an angry person aren't you. As fangorn put and put me in my place so well, There is no reason to attack a person's physical appearance. None. even if fun. So, reread what I wrote and take a deep breath. It sounds like you get angry pretty easily, you know, if someone makes you angry, they have control over you.

SORRY Jonas. I thought you were on a trip??

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acg 9 years, 5 months ago

Actually it was "me" who called Bush a beady eyed looking little leprechaun, not LuLu. "Me" is a female, not male, Fanghorn, and a friend of mine, who in the last 4 months has buried two loved ones who were killed in Iraq. Maybe you guys should remember that Bush's actions affect more than whether or not gays can marry, or whether or not late term abortion is legal or stem cell research happens. Sometimes people get emotional and upset over a situation because they feel powerless to stop senseless murder and violence. I actually agree with "Me" about a lot of things. I didn't vote in this year's election because I'm tired of choosing the "lesser of evils". I think Kerry is smarmy and his running buddy looks like he's been carved out of cream cheese. I also think Bush is a dishonest, hateful little man with little man syndrome. I agree "me" went a bit overboard on her assumptions but she busted her butt for a year working on the democratic campaigns and it was sad to her to see what happened. All she really wants if for her last remaining nephew to come home from war. So get off of her back!

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Damns the conssumer ones's damn him! Givings away the ansswers 'fore Smeagol's has had time to ansswerss.

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italianprincess 9 years, 5 months ago

Very well said Fangorn. There are so many angry people since the 2nd of November.

I guess Mr. Bush has his hands full now with trying his hardest to bring us all together. This world is so divided now its truely sad.

Oh, and by the way I haven't any bumper stickers on my car. I passed that sticker phase along time ago.

Have a fantastic weekend everyone, and lets all try to get along for the sake of each other. You never know when you may need one another in the future.

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consumer1 9 years, 5 months ago

Had to write that response quickly I had someone waiting on me. For all you spell checkers and grammar police I appologize. Thanks

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consumer1 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn, This was just some mean spirited and uncalled for fun. You are correct that niether a person's weight or hair color make up the fibre of the individual. My attempt at innapropriate humor is directed at what everyone on this site believes to be, not a person but possible a group of people who post only to drive everyone else batty. I do acknowledge that by using weight and physical appearance to chide another is oppressive and cruel to those who may actually have these problems. However, I am not so sensitive that being a "little politically incorrect" is going to cause me to lose sleep. Not to be taken as an excuse. A careful reader will note often in these post what seems to go unoticed or at least not brought up, are many blatant and what I elude to are the more Politcally acceptable forms of biased name calling and race bigotry. An example would be Lulu post of yesterday or day before, referring to the President of the United States as a "beady eyed leprachaun". Granted it seems safe in the hypocritical community to slander as long as it is not referencing their sexual preferences, their color, their gender or heritage of color. So, I personally take offense to the derogitory reference of implying there is some acceptable rational for attaching a negative conotation to those of Irish heritage, even if it is ficticious. I mean no one! would refer to a Rresident of color in a derogitory ficticious or not fashion. And, as I said. I agree to my offense. Further, I appreciate your calling me on it. Thanks.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Is the Honda driver's weight or hair color really relevant? Probably not. One of my best friends, as liberal as I am conservative, is rather large and has, shall we say, experimented with different hair colors throughout the years. Her opinions are thoughtful and thought-provoking. Although we agree on little, we both value our friendship tremendously. We all enjoy poking a little fun at each other, but it's more effective when directed at a person's ideas not their appearance.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Jonas: Bingo! But make it singular not plural.

remember_username: I share your concern. That's why any plan to promote ownership of retirement accounts must provide for the "transition cost". The promises to those who have had taxes taken from them for decades must be met (otherwise, it's simple thievery). But in its current form, the SS program will go belly up just before I retire. I won't hysterically assert that we must "do something" because often "something" is worse than "nothing". But in this case, "nothing" will still kill the program.

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consumer1 9 years, 5 months ago

there is a honda spree that is driven by really fat chick with green hair, it's license plate say, are you ready? really ready?

Going down the street it looks like a green lolipop

It say...Lulu.

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ive_got_my_ascot_n_my_dickie 9 years, 5 months ago

There's a black SUV in Lawrence that has a license plate that says "LIBERAL." Perhaps they should get a bumper sticker that says "HYPOCRITE."

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

Correction: Very difficult not to say "I don't care what it takes fix it".

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn: My biggest comment about social security may be selfish, but I've been paying into it for 30 years under the belief (a belief held by most of my generation) that it would serve to support me after I retire. Thanks to spending by my government (from Reagan on:) this belief has given way to cold fact. The fact is I will have to work 'til I drop. Now my children will not have this problem, as they know social security is dead, and will save money into 501's, Roths, or other programs. But for those of us that are of a certain age it is to late. I can't save enough to retire in the time I have left. People of my age make up a large voting block that feel a little cheated by social security promises. It is very difficult (not impossible, mind you) for us to say, "I don't care what it takes fix it".

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Jonas: Great site! I've been reading through it. It's hilarious, and, like most things that are truly funny, finds ways to poke fun at both sides.

remember_username: First, thank you for serving your country when it wasn't a popular thing to do. Vietnam-era veterans, as a group, are near the top of my list of People I Admire (although there are notable exceptions). Second, I very much agree that we as a community (and all of us here are a community, just think of the posters' names you begin to recognize after a while) must engage in dialog that comes from the head not just the heart. Although feelings can be a driving force, they should not be the directing force. However, I do not agree that we must "meet somewhere in between". As long as each side is honest and thoughtful, it is okay simply to agree to disagree. Some differences are not bridgeable. Even so, that doesn't mean we can't agree to disagree over some cold beer and hot burgers (or tacos or fried rice or baked salmon, etc.)

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Jonas: Any animal can run, but a horse is one of the few animals that can gallop or trot or . . . the word that sounds like my last name.

antigriz: Social Security- It's already on track to go bankrupt and has been for years. It's a corrupt, pyramid-scheme program. My father passed away last year. All the FICA money taken from his paycheck AND his employers' matching contributions are all flushed down the toilet. The government STOLE from him for decades and now all that money doesn't benefit my mother one bit. I resent the hell out of that. Under President Bush's plan, younger workers who choose to will get to own at least a small part of the government-enforced retirement fund. Saving for retirement and investing are both long-term activities. There has never been a twenty-year period in the history of the stock market where the return was less than 7%. The average return on Social "Security"? An abysmal 1-2%. Or even a negative return for those who die young like my Dad.

Jobs going overseas- Have you ever heard of in-sourcing? Many countries send jobs here. We come out on top in this equation. The result is a net gain of jobs. And if you want to keep jobs here you can vote for officials who will do two things: reduce taxes and regulation to make the domestic business environment attractive and improve public education to provide a capable domestic workforce.

Poverty- The poverty rate in this country had been falling steadily for decades. . . until President Johnson declared war on it. Now the poverty rate has held steady for 40 years despite trillions of dollars of transfer payments from the producers to the non-producers. The safety net became a hammock, a helping hand somehow became in entitlement. The welfare reform Republicans forced on Clinton 10 years ago has alleviated this only in part.

Health coverage- I currently lack health coverage for myself and my family. I am not whining about it or looking to the government to "fix" it. Government wage controls during WWII are what pushed employers to provide health insurance in order to attract workers. The wide spread use of this coverage increased demand for our always-limited healthcare resources (point: who runs to the doctor for every bump, scrape, or sniffle? Those with health insurance or those who pay for it out-of-pocket?) And if you really want to reduce healthcare costs, I have to words for you: Tort Reform. 'Nuff said.

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

Jonas - great site on the 1:20 post, thanks.

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

A NOTE TO THE MODERATORS: The profanity monitor that you've installed is good and all, but the way it's set up now it looks for letter combinations in any word, not just the full word. I tried to post "hanashi'te," without the comma, and it wouldn't let me post because of the SH** combination in the word. I don't know if you could fix it or not, but it would be appreciated if you could.

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn: You made me think of this, I don't know if you've seen the site or not.

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame86.html

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn - No worries, on the generalization call. This kind of thing is what dialog is all about. As for your comments regarding the draft; I may come "from the left of center" but I have served active duty during Vietnam and in the National Guard prior to Desert Storm. I can attest to the difference in professionalism between the two time periods - draft and no draft. No one in the military, from the trenches to the top, wants to see another draft enacted. I think we are safe from that.

Much that I read these days is very passionate, people thinking with their hearts not their minds. It is good that people are passionate, but we must all be aware that emotional harangues are not the best way to conduct an exchange of ideas. Whether we come from the right or the left we must meet somewhere in between, or chaos reigns.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

What group do you support, Liberty?

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Liberty 9 years, 5 months ago

While everyone in Kansas is celebrating the election of "W" or crying in their beer mourning the loss from the media candidates of the forced two party system, your digital money has lost about one half of it's value in buying power. Gold in the past several years has increased from about $265 federal reserve notes (Yes, your "money" is a debt insturment like a bond), to now taking $432 federal reserve notes to trade for the same ounce of gold. This means that what ever job you have, it now is paying you half of what you used to earn. (You have just taken a 50% pay cut). This should give you a strong hint of where both Republicans and Democrats are leading us as a country (into financial slavery and bankruptcy by stealing your wealth).

Put an alternate party bumber sticker on your car to get ready for the next election and break the forced two party system. It's refreshing to wake up and break your mind control programming. Try it, you'll like it.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Hey BlackWalnut, guess what, our country is already broke. I'm not sure of the exact number, but it's nearing $1 trillion. Don't you think $82 billion is a small price to pay for freeing an entire nation(Iraq).

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blackwalnut 9 years, 5 months ago

In the next four years those who voted for Bush will get something they didn't really expect or vote for. They are in for a real surprise, and his announcement of his new agenda today is just the start. They voted against gay marriage and the right to choose, neither of which is in his list of priorities. They will get a bankrupt country, more war, fewer jobs, more pandering to special interests, more devastation to the environment, less health care, and cuts in social security benefits.

I'm keeping my bumper sticker on so people can see it as the stuff hits the fan. It will be a reminder of what could have been, and the choices people will face in 2008.

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Aaaa. . . riddles, precious, it givess us riddlesess. But is its a firstsss or lastss name? A horse it runss doesn'ts it? Aaa, precious, what doess it wants. . .

Gives it time, precious, givess it time!

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antigriz 9 years, 5 months ago

I will be actually be adding to my anti-Bush bumper stickers. I want it clear when social security is bankrupt, more of our jobs go overseas and more people fall into poverty and lose their health coverage, I tried to stop it.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

LtCol. Dold is my dad's commander. He commands the 173rd CST out of Forbes Field. It is a WMD unit.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterBlue: I do not know LtCol. Dold. Is he/she with the 190th Air Refueling Wing in Topeka? That's a fairly local unit. I actually serve at a base in New Jersey (it's a long story). And I will not be a Lieutenant Colonel for some time. I served fourteen years enlisted before erning my commission. As the Democratic Party has abandoned us, the armed services have become more Republican. This is especially true of the officer corps. And this is unfortunate because the military begins to look like just another special interest group. We defend the freedoms of all Americans, even those who revile us, maybe even especially those who revile us.

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lunacydetector 9 years, 5 months ago

i looked up some funny political bumper stickers.

to be politically correct i included an "anti-republican" one.

here goes,......enjoy

I've Tried To See It From A Liberal's Point Of View, But I Can't Get My Head That Far Up My Rectum

Politicians prefer unarmed peasants.

The road to hell is paved with Democrats

Under Republicans, man exploits man. Under Democrats, it's exactly the opposite!

Vote Democrat, It's Easier Than Thinking

Vote Democrat - it's easier than working!

Re-elect Bush: I'm tired of waiting for the Apocalypse.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterBlue: I first read The Lord of the Rings in the fifth grade (Carter was in office). I often use this name in on-line settings because I am probably older than many other participants. To answer your first question, I read a lot from both sides of the aisle. And as I said, I just really love writing.

Bugbear: Gott in Himmel! I agree! Few bumper stickers ever showed such a lack of perspective or information. Under the current administration, federal spending on education has gone up 50%! Has it affected test scores or the overall quality of education in America? It's too soon to tell, but I highly doubt it will. No study has ever shown a correlation between educational achievement and the amount of money we throw at it. I'd like to say "you get what you pay for", but that's rarely the case in education. And even with the massive increase in educational spending, are liberals satisfied? Absolutely not! Money equals power, and the NEA can never have too much power.

In the USAF we have had a program for many years called Fraud, Waste, and Abuse that helps us identify and eliminate fraudulent and wasteful spending. How many school districts have an equivalent program? We are custodians of the taxpayers' money. As an officer few things will make me come unglued faster than hearing someone say "it's good enough for government work". Members of my unit have learned not to say it around me. Hopefully that means they don't hold that attitude. At least with military spending, we tend to get what we pay for.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn-

Are you Lieutenant Colonel Dold?

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hoof_hearted 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm still being censored by the left wing jerks at L J World...

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Bugbear 9 years, 5 months ago

........Yeah! And I wish that those bumper stickers that say: "It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber" would go away too!!!!

Geez!!!

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Fangorn, how is it possible that you manage to put into words exactly what all rightwingers are thinking, but don't know how to say? You must not be a hillbilly, gun totin',fag hatin', mullet wearin' redneck like the rest of us conservatives.

P.S. Is your name from Lord of the Rings?

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missmagoo 9 years, 5 months ago

i think that it's high time people take their howard dean stickers down...

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Carmenilla, but it was not conservatives who declared the cultural war. All culturals change and develop over time. In our culture, the will of the people for change or preservation is expressed through the Legislature (see Article I of the Constitution). The problem is that liberals can't achieve the change they want through the legislature, so they go to the courts, populated by unelected and largely unaccountable judges. A thorough reading of Article III (there's that pesky Constitution again) reveals no intent by the Founders to give legislative powers to the courts. I completely concur that our country needs healing. But that healing will only come when the extreme left realizes that the majority of Americans do not agree with their agenda. If the Left would try to persuade others of the rightness of their cause(s), they could possibly win some converts. If they continue to try to impose their views on the rest of us through the courts, the backlash will continue.

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Carmenilla 9 years, 5 months ago

Yes, I know MANDATE, sigh......Well, this country needs healing not hardlining. I know that seems soft-hearted but we can't have a cultural war going on at home and abroad. We will put to much at risk and potentially lose everything we know to be true.

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

Jonas: I am not Lepanto. My last name is the same as the one who sings in the synagogue or what a horse does between a trot and a gallop, but isn't spelled like either.

Lulu: You're so much fun! I have a couple for you. "Kerry Lied, Vets Died" "Dan Rather: Putting the B.S. in CBS"

And, Lulu, did you know it was Democrats who sponsored military draft bills in the last Congress? When Republicans forced a vote on the bills, they were resoundingly defeated in both houses. Even the Democratic sponsors voted against their own bills. I don't think either of them supported a draft. They just counted on wide-spread ignorance making it a campaign issue to hurt Bush. A draft would benefit the population in general by teaching many young people discipline, respect for the nation, and respect for themselves. But as an Air Force officer, I will state unequivocally that a draft would be horrible for the military. We are in a dangerous business with serious, real-world consequences. The last thing I want in my unit is some reluctant, defiant kid who really doesn't want to be there. His presence endangers everyone around him.

Finally, Lulu, if you wouldn't kill an unborn (unhatched) sea turtle, why would you kill an unborn baby? (Just the inverse perspective on your last bumper sticker, excuse me: refrigerator sticker.) larryville: I'm glad you enjoy my posts. I seek to inform, entertain, and hopefully provoke thought. Plus, I just enjoy writing and don't get many other forums.

Regarding IQ statistics. There is a difference between intelligence and wisdom. That discussion will require a whole posting of its own.

remember_username: Perhaps I painted with too broad a brush. I have known professors who required disciplined thought (Dr. Charles Harris in my own life comes to mind, we called him "C" Harris for a reason). I do commend those isolated hamlets of real learning. However when observing the general state of discourse in America, I am not encouraged. I do hope this changes. I infer from your first person pronouns that you work in the academic world. I trust that you will defend your isolated hamlet resolutely. And thank you for calling me on the generalization. I don't want to get sloppy and undisciplined myself.

Carmenilla: I enjoyed your Cthulhu bumper sticker. However, I disagree with your other point. Bush received a mandate to govern: the first majority president in 16 years and increasing his party's majorities in both houses. Take a look at the link below. He should set the agenda. The Loyal Opposition has the right (I would say the obligation) to suggest modifications to the President's agenda, but in nowise should Bush compromise.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/countymap.htm

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Carmenilla 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm keeping my "Cthulhu for President 2004 - You don't have to pick the lesser of 2 evils" sticker on my car. It will be a continual reminder of how this political system is no longer about the common good. We shall see in the next 4 years what kind of prosperity there is for this great nation. I think that this country is facing a cultural battle where no family will be left unscathed. And to think that we (liberal or conservative) all essentially want the same things: safety for our families, good healthcare and education, money in our pockets, etc. The more divided we become the less we will have any of those things. I was saddened to hear Bush say at his press conference that his idea of bipartisanship is where he sets the agenda and if you agree to it than you're in on the deal. I thought bipartisanship meant dealing with issues by crossing party lines. Dennis Moore is a good example of a REAL bipartisan politician. Thats why he beat out Kobach. The people in Kansas are not fools!

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staff04 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterB- Okay, we got our signals crossed. Lawrence no doubt brings the average up.

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Bud Fuller 9 years, 5 months ago

I don't put bumper sticker on my vehicles. They are much to hard to remove. I do know what to do with yard signs. they make wonderful for sighting in the old high power. Then when you shoot at that deer and hear the thump of the bullet hitting the critter and it falls to the ground, you will thank those politician. Just gives you a warm feeling all over- especially a Democrat campaign sign.

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

Staff04- Yes, looking at the data and at multiple sources it looks like the site is suspect - although amusing. I did some more searching and using other sources punched up the other data into Excel. The trend is not at all clear. There is enough variation to toss out any direct correlation between standard test scores and political identity. Too many other factors...

Fangorn - I disagree in part, academia requires everyone to "mount a vigorous defense of their positions". At least we try to teach students to think critically. Yes we fail more times than I'd like to admit, but we try harder at critical thinking than any other "industry" that I've been involved with.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

No, I'm saying that it is not at all representative of Kansas. I thought you were arguing the other side!

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staff04 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterB- I don't know what you're smoking, but did you notice that Douglas County was won by none other than John Kerry? The only county in the state to go Democratic and you still think Lawrence is representative of the state of Kansas?

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larryville 9 years, 5 months ago

I agree with Fangorn completely! We do live in something of a "bumper sticker age"! And Fangorn's correct to say that rarely are these "bumper sticker slogans" challenged by the media! Case in point: that absurd slogan, "Vote Or Die!" Give me a break! I have noticed that whenever those on the left try to silence those on the right by accusing people who aren't for same-sex marriage as being, "full of HATE", or if someone on the right says, "I think we should drill for oil on our own soil", someone on the left will say, "Sure you do! Because you want to COMPLETELY DESTROY the environment!!" And then there's my personal favorite: If a right-winger says, "I'm for guns! I want to be able to purchase any gun of my choosing."...Someone on the left will say, "Sure, go ahead and keep buying those guns! Meanwhile MILLIONS OF OUR NATION'S YOUTH will continue to be subjected to and eventually die from violent crime!!"----the media rarely takes these outrageous, overblown lefty statements to task! And that really bothers me! I'll just finish up by saying...Fangorn you're the bomb! I enjoy reading your posts! Keep them coming!

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Sorry Lunacydetector,

You must mean Kerry/Fonda '08? Because Bush is our president for the next 4 years!

I vote for J. Bush/Schwarzenegger 2008!

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Staff04-

Surely I would argue that point. Check out yesterday's post by Jay_Z. It's a link to USAToday and shows how representative Lawrence is of the rest of the state.

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lunacydetector 9 years, 5 months ago

Bush: "Let's Roll Kerry: "Let's Roll Over"

Kerry / Fonda '04 Putting the "RED" in the Red, White and Blue

Verry Leftwards

Give Kerry A Swift Boot

Jessica Simpson says... "Kerry Edwards...Like I think I went to High School with HER!"

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staff04 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterB- I wasn't making a statement about any of the people in Lawrence. I grew up outside of Lawrence and went to school at KU. I am very much aware that the people of Lawrence are a unique bastion of diversity and intelligence in Kansas. Surely you wouldn't argue that Lawrence is representative of the rest of the state?

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Sorry to the sane Lawrencians on this post. It's just that that is a common perception in the rest of Kansas. I didn't mean to slur the right-minded people.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

I'm sorry 'Staff04' that's not true. Lawrence is very well educated. It's too bad Lawrencians are morons who whine about everything.

Oh Yeah- I didn't see 'Fahrenheit 911' you know why? Because Michael Moore doesn't have anything that is not meant to decieve the public.

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nicegirl 9 years, 5 months ago

I think bumper stickers are tacky regardless of the subject so I would never put one on my car. For some reason Lulu's absurdity always amazes me though I don't know why. I've come to expect it from her.

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staff04 9 years, 5 months ago

I just realized that the way I phrased that last post that it sounds like I was vouching for the credibility of the IQ information. I simply meant for you to make sure you read the whole thing before you make any judgements about the validity of it.

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staff04 9 years, 5 months ago

Someone who is bitter about the results of the election just sent me this. Be sure to read the sources at the bottom before you discredit this info...

http://attenuation.net/files/iq.htm

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Mater_Bates 9 years, 5 months ago

Custodial Specialist? What does he specialize in the custody of?

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craigers 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterBlue, I think your comment takes the cake. Absolutely hilarious.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

How about the Pentagon of Pussies(excuse my language)- Kerry, Hillary, Slick Willy, Rev. Al, and John E.

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craigers 9 years, 5 months ago

Now it would be a straight line of tragedy since Arafat is about to bite the big one.

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

I can't decide what to do tomorrow, Lulu, would you help me decide?

I either want to go fishing and then eat the fish, or go hunting for beautiful whitetail deer then throw the meat away and just place the head on my wall.

(Just kidding, I eat all the meat)

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Treebeard: Very wise, eldest.

('that you, Lepanto?)

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

btw, Happy Guy Fawkes Day, everyone!

Remember, remember the Fifth of November The Gunpowder Treason and Plot I know of no reason the Gunpowder Treason Should ever be forgot

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Fangorn 9 years, 5 months ago

MasterBlue: if you actually read through my entire postings for yesterday, I have to admire your patience and perseverance. "me's" posting just cried out for a thorough rebuttal. I got a bit long-winded.

I think bumper stickers are like jack o'lanterns and Christmas lights. There's a brief period following the event during which such things still seem relevant. After a while, they start to look a little silly. They can be hard to remove, however, and half of a mutilated bumper sticker can look sillier than a whole one.

Mine will come off in about a week. But if others want to keep theirs, it seems like a free speech issue. Or did McCain-Feingold repeal that part of the First Amendment also?

When I have reared my children and retired from the USAFR and have time to pursue another degree (probably in political science), I will write my thesis on bumper stickers. Occasionally one sees a vehicle simply covered in them. And not just the bumper but also the entire back of the vehicle and even the sides. Some are occasionally amusing (my favorite: "Only you can stop narcissism"), but I have observed that the overwhelming majority of such vehicles express extreme left-wing attitudes. My hypothesis is that since the media and academia rarely require liberals to mount a vigorous defense of their positions, they have become sloppy and undisciplined in their thought processes. This has caused their beliefs to become rather simplistic, making them more prone to "bumper stickerism". Perhaps the advent of talk radio, Fox News, and the blogosphere will reduce this tendancy in the coming years.

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mrcairo 9 years, 5 months ago

Lulu I have a good one:

Triangle of Tragedy: Arafat, Bush, Sharon

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tell_it_like_it_is 9 years, 5 months ago

Lulu I love it!! Somewhere in Texas a village is missing a idiot!! You just made my Friday!! Thats funny and so true. I'm gonna get me one for my truck that says He Is Not My President. And before all you republicans start hollering anti-american...I saw at least a dozen of them in my town after Clinton got elected the first time so don't be hypocrites.

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lunacydetector 9 years, 5 months ago

lulu, you are a typical lawrencian and i detect a lot of lunacy, but i guess that's something to expect having a liberal university in town.

anti-war, pro-baby killing, but PLEASE save a rat.

man, oh man, lunacydetected

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

Heeheeheeheehee. . .

Lulu, you should go back to nature. I'd pay money to see you running from a bear.

Nature: Red in tooth and claw.

The world you believe in does not exist.

But by all means, keep posting about it. I'm sure I'll agree with you the next time I take psylocybic (sp?) mushrooms.

"Man, we're all one! That's why god gave us opposable thumbs, so we can build tools and live indoors. Speaking of indoors, ever get the feeling the walls are breathing? Speaking of hands, have you ever just looked at your hands? Whoa! Speaking of breathing, have you ever felt like the air actually has weight? Man, I can feel every tiny atom in every breath of air caressing my throat as it goes down? Who wants to go outside and listen to the wind?" HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Lulu 9 years, 5 months ago

I don't drive a car so I put a few on my refridgerator.

Axis of Greed - Cheney Bush Ashcroft.

Somewhere in Texas There's a Village Missing an Idiot.

Bush family values. Features bombs raining down.

Bush Lied

The draft is coming. You can't hide under a Bush.

Vietnam II Relive the tragedy Now playing in selected Iraqi cities. Directed by George W. Bush. Starring people you love.

What exactly are conservatives conserving?

God Wants Spiritual Fruits Not Religious Nuts

Pro-Choice / Pro Child

Every Child A Wanted Child

I'm Pro-Choice and I Vote!

Pro Child Pro Family Pro Choice

Stop Animal Research Now!

If you want to wear fur, Stop Shaving

Liberate Lab Animals

Rats Have Rights

If you wouldn't hook a dog, why hook a fish?

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jonas 9 years, 5 months ago

I dusted off one of mine and put it back on my window.

Washington/Adams '89 A Less "Red" (coat) America!

Hi-Jinks: Thanks "Lunacy"detector: HAHAHAHAHAHA. . . character! HAHAHAH Masterblue: No Jeb Bush! Think of Terry Schiavo! Remember-username: Fair weather fan!

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

I agree with Hi_Jinks, this question really is pretty ridiculous/pointless

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remember_username 9 years, 5 months ago

It's better to put the bumper sticker after the election. That way you are guaranteed to be part of the "wining team".

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 5 months ago

What a silly question!

And congratulations, "saidtoomuch". You did more than live up to this ridiculous question with an equally ridiculous response of your own! A pat on the back for you, my friend!

Have a nice weekend everyone! And have a safe trip, Jonas!

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lunacydetector 9 years, 5 months ago

i hope everyone keeps theirs on. i like to know who i am dealing with....someone of character "W", or someone who is a left-wing nut job "Kerry".

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MasterBlue 9 years, 5 months ago

Yes, they serve no purpose now except to distract drivers into crashing in a fiery accident

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KawValleyGirl 9 years, 5 months ago

hey saidtoomuch, horrific driving occurs when the driver is of either sex, frequently in this town. geez! you must be one of those nostalgic types?? Way back when....i'll be looking for your seething eyes peering from your car looking scared as I drive by and buddy you better be ready, I'll drive your ass right off the road. cheers!

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hoof_hearted 9 years, 5 months ago

Herman lost!!!! Whoopie!!! He's a loser.....just like the L J World!!!!

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saidtoomuch 9 years, 5 months ago

Since W stands for women. It is permissible for the ladies to keep the W's on their vehicle in order to represent themselves. It also gives us another reason besides their horrific driving to flash the one finger salute.

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