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Do you think that we will know the result of the presidential election by the end of the night?

Asked at Java Break, 17 E. 7th St. on November 2, 2004

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Photo of Fred Stevens

“Probably not. Knowing Bush and his administration, with the way they like to do things.”

Photo of Devang Dixit

“Yeah, I think we will. I think there is going to be a clear winner.”

Photo of Dan Uehling

“No. It won’t be decided by tonight, because it’s so close. Each candidate has teams of lawyers to question the validity of a state’s voting process.”

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“I don’t think so. It could come out in a dead tie. Bush could win the popular vote, but not the election, which would be fitting. I’ve also heard that they have already had problems with some voting machines.”

Comments

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

Lunacy- Has that story about the voting problems in Philly been attributed to anyone other than Matt Drudge yet? I haven't been able to find any credible news sources reporting it.

Larry 10 years, 9 months ago

Can anyone blame the GOP for having their team of lawyers ready? Thanks ALGORE for starting all of this. Talk about your poor losers!

Off to work. Have a nice election day. Go W.

Larry 10 years, 9 months ago

This morning, the news reported that the GOP has reserved approximately 15 million for legal battles during post election. Guess how much the Democrat Party has reserved for post election legal battles. $48 million! Does that show you what they have been planning? The sociali.... I mean, Democrat Party is ruining our country.

craigers 10 years, 9 months ago

The votes will be clear and Bush will be the winner of it all. Bush will win more states than he did against Gore and then it is all over. Does anybody know of a website that will keep an accurate up-to-date results from the polls?

me 10 years, 9 months ago

You guys, the political debate (nonsensical rhetoric) is getting out of control. The last four years have been interesting (brutal) to say the least, but here we again find ourselves taking part in democracy's finest hour (freaking joke, electoral college, wtf?). It's time to stop badgering one another and realize that we're all Americans (fat, lazy, self centered whiners), shake hands and say, "may the best man win" (Kerry). All that really matters is that people exercise their right (responsibility) and vote (for Kerry). Have a great day!

Savage 10 years, 9 months ago

Badgering or not, it seems that the dems are willing, and will put up a good fight in the courts even if they lose big tonight. Its also a possible they will riot by the thousands causing civil unrest if Bush wins. It would make me so sad to see the pro abortion, gay marriage, and anti-war crowds crying tears, and tossing a sweet 5th to ease their pain and eventual "electoral college" defeat tonight. Not!

David Ryan 10 years, 9 months ago

I'd like to ask everyone to stop the smearing, the baseless accusations, et cetera.

This is a fine day to celebrate the Constitution of the United States, our only true national treasure.

Quit the nastiness, folks. It's not becoming.

Long live the Constitution.

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

How are the lines at the polls in Lawrence? I voted this morning in Arlington, VA and it took just under two hours. Will crowded polls in Lawrence affect turnout?

Andre_Linoge 10 years, 9 months ago

No way. The Democrats have made clear that they will contest this election when they lose. They have already instructed their minions to claim voter intimidation, though none exists. They have armies of high dollar, low moral lawyers pumped up and ready further erode the foundation of our Representative Republic. They have whipped up the rent-a-mob and will unleash them on our cities to incite violence and unrest. I predict not only will the Democrats obfuscate the results, they will further endanger the Republic through lies, cheating, and by encouraging violence.

Eric Beightel 10 years, 9 months ago

Hoof_hearted? Is that short for cloven-hoof_hearted? It is impossible to tell how this election will go and there is no way we will have a clear winner this evening. It will take a few days to count all of the absentee ballots and to perform verification of all ballots.

Republicans should not be so quick to dismiss the claims of voter intimidation. Posting persons outside of polling places under the guise of "verifying voter registration" and only in low income minority areas? Almost seems like we've taken a trip back to the 50's and 60's.

Democrats are not endangering the Republic. Republicans are by damning anyone who speaks out agains the administration. curtailing the ability of the populus to share their ideas damages this Republic more than any riot or protest could.

Kerry - Edwards 2004! If W wins, I fear for the future of us all.

mrcairo 10 years, 9 months ago

I predict rioting in Ohio. The Republican Pigs are challenging voters there. What a crock. I'd love for someone to have challenged my vote. I can see it now, preppy white republicans in black voting districts challenging voters. Sounds like a suicide wish to me.

Whoever wins Ohio wins the election.

I predict by 11:00 tho we'll have a good idea.

lunacydetector 10 years, 9 months ago

it all depends on how many of the same voters are registered in Ohio and Florida. Last count had it at 22,000 people. All Democrats mind you.

then there are the 1,500 democratic votes cast on the voting machines BEFORE the polls opened in Pennsylvania.

a winner could be picked tonight if the democratic fraud is widespread and overlooked.

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 9 months ago

I have a feeling that when Hillary Clinton went to her polling place this morning...........She voted for George Bush!----And that should Bush win tonight, the only person in the whole United States that will be happier than George Bush will be Hillary Clinton!

Please don't think for one minute that Hillary doesn't want to run for president in 2008!---And when she does, it will be a whole lot easier to do so after 8 long years of W., than after just 4 years of Kerry! (A member of her own party, I might add!)

mr_daniels 10 years, 9 months ago

Larry you are correct Sir in that we do have to give a big thank you to ALGORE and folks for this mess. Go to www.Lucianne.com for a GOP feel for this election.

Everyone! Get out there and vote your party.

Good day all!

pike 10 years, 9 months ago

Kerry will be the clear winner tonight due to new voter turnout. People decide to start voting when they see there are changes to be made. I'm sure Kerry will win 60% of the new voters........ W is sweating. he he.

ms_canada 10 years, 9 months ago

what a stress filled day this is for many people. I don't think the results will be known for a while so it will be a long day. too bad!! that was an interesting and informative article you suggested, bob. I guess there is really no system of governance in the world that is perfect. ours in Canada certainly has its flaws. we don't actually get to cast a direct vote for our prime minister as many of you yanks may know. I would like to be able to do that. in case there are some who don't know, the political party that elects the most number of members of parliament (mp's we call them) puts the prime minister in the chair. at present we have a liberal gov. in power. now a flaw in this system is the number of parties that may run in any federal election. last year we had 5 parties participating. 4 major parties. we canadians get upset by this because the minor parties split the vote and therefore it is possible for the winning party to receive the fewest number of the popular vote. sort of the problem that you have with the EC.
another flaw is that if we have a minority gov. (one with fewer seats than the combination of the other elected mp's) that gov. has trouble passing bills or legislation. and the opposite is just as bad. a gov. with no major opposition so that every proposal they make gets passed. this goes for the provincial gov. also. we have that situation here in Alberta. our premieur runs this province like a little dictator as he has no effective oppposition.
we have problems in our respective countries but what is the alternative. we have to make the best of it, don't we. and all the vituperative comments on this chat line don't help any thing. you know, hoofy, i suspect that you are really a very lovely person, kind hearted, sensible and loveable who is getting a huge charge out of all the fuss you kick up. am i right? i know i got a huge charge out of stirring you up with my silly comments. i didn't really mean a word of it. when i first found this line, i thought it was for serious commenting, but there are too many silly posts for my taste.

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

Jinx- I remember about a year ago there was considerable discussion (via Limbaugh) about Hillary running for Pres. I don't think Kerry winning really hurts her as much as you and Rush. Obviously, if Kerry wins, she will not be a candidate until 2012, which will give her eight more years of Senate experience and she will be 65 years old. From the age and experience perspective, she would be wiser to hold off. I agree that her chances of winning would be better at the end of W's term than Kerry's, but I still don't think she'll be heartbroken if she has to wait until 2012.

lunacydetector 10 years, 9 months ago

i waited to post until i saw it on the news. Foxnews is reporting it (or they did about an hour ago).

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

thanks. I won't comment again until I see the story.

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

I'll continue to wait, because Fox has nothing on its website yet. If you, or anyone for that matter, knows where to find the story about the voting problems in Philly, please share.

jonas 10 years, 9 months ago

It seems the right has spent the last four years jealous of the lefts "stole the election" rhetoric, and has been waiting for the opportunity to raise the cry themselves.

Ah, well. . . her's to another four years of a deligitimized, unaccepted president. It's no more than we deserve.

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 9 months ago

staff04..............

Consider...........

Virtually every "viable" Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 ran (or is running) for president. Suppose Bush wins. 2008 he's out. There's no guarantee Cheney (bad heart and all) will run in 2008. There's been speculation that he may not last a full second term as Vice President. But regardless......If you're Hillary, you run for re-election in 2006 (NY senate seat). Let's say she wins.--That 2006 senate victory will be considered by most political insiders and outsiders as a form of "endorsement" for her six years of previous service----and any future ambitions she may have, a la W. when he was re-elected governor of Texas in '98. Okay, so 2008 the presidency will be wide open! And you know she'll jump in sometime in 2007!----She knows this, right now as we speak!

Yeah, she could wait till 2012 if Kerry wins, but I doubt she (or hubby Bill) has that kind of patience. (You may disagree with that statement.) In addition, in 2012 she will be running against Edwards in her own party, just to get the nomination. If Kerry/Edwards get elected now and they have a successful 8 years together in office..............why in the world would anyone pick Hillary over Edwards in 2012?

Anyway, I believe that if Hillary could have one wish of hers come true, it would be for Bush to win in '04. I just think that it fits her time frame, and it makes the most sense for her to run in 2008 (and I believe that 2008 will be her greatest chance for success)--as opposed to 2012.

P.S. Please don't put me in the same sentence with Limbaugh. I'm just calling this thing as I see it. I can assure you that I am not a "dittohead".

In the end........"whatever", I guess! I just think that it just makes too much sense for her not to (secretly) wish for a Kerry defeat in 04.---But that's because I see all politicians (Dems and Repubs---and even Independents like.........ROSS PEROT!!!---Remember him?!) as "opportunists", first and foremost. Maybe you agree, may be you don't. That's cool!

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

You make valid points, but I think the threat of Hillary running is less than real. We'll have to wait and see how things shake out with the rest of the day before we can really speculate. What I can tell you, is that I work in D.C., and I think the general tone among Democrats here is that Hillary is not as ambitious as we are making her out to be in discussions like these.

P.S. No offense meant with the Limbaugh comments, but I'm pretty sure he was stirring up the poop about Hillary running sometime last year.

lunacydetector 10 years, 9 months ago

Okay staff04 I haven't seen anything yet. I saw it on t.v. (FoxNews) but nothing on their website. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

When are the first exit polls due out? Anyone know?

me 10 years, 9 months ago

Man, that hoof hearted moron has been spouting hate and garbage for weeks now. Badger answers him with an excellent retort, well written, not at all vulgar or unoriginal and they take it out? Long live the censorship nazis!!

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 9 months ago

staff04........here's something I think we can all agree on....

In the 200+ year history of this country, there has been nothing but "white guys" as president. Also, to go one step further, there has been nothing but "white guys" as nominees! Given this fact....How many more years will this country continue to sit back and just "accept" this "oddity"?? (For lack of a better term!). I think that by 2007-8, should Hillary and/or her supporters begin to make some "waves" about her possible candidacy, I would think that there will be many folks out there who (at the very least) will be asking themselves, "Wow! A woman running for president---who is actually considered "viable"! A woman who actuallly has the credentials---and has a very real chance at becoming president! Boy, it's about time this country had a female running for president who could quite possibly make it just as a nominee (which has never happened before)---let alone a very real shot at the presidency!"

When and if she decides to run someday, I'm sure it will generate all kinds of public interest!

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

Thanks Bob- I kind of thought that was where the story was headed. Not to start up the "media bias" argument, but I've noticed Drudge to have a history of stuff like that (dead links, too).

Lunacy detector- I wouldn't expect to see anything from exit polls until late this afternoon. I did hear however, that at most polling sites, 50-60% of those expected to vote have reported as of this moment, so they were probably right about the expected high turnout.

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 9 months ago

Hey, I just noticed that all of Hoofy's comments went POOF!

See! I knew it was only a matter of time!

He just kept pushing the envelope!

...........and pushing, and pushing, and pushing..............

Hi_Jinks 10 years, 9 months ago

You may have apoint there, OB.

However, for the foreseeable future, (realistically) there are no other female politicians of Hillary's "stature" that would be considered viable.---Not that there never will be, mind you! Don't get me wrong! But just seems to me that for the next 4 to 8 years, if any woman were going to "make a run for it"..........it would be Hillary!

We'll see............

staff04 10 years, 9 months ago

How about a Clinton-Pelosi ticket? Wouldn't that be interesting? I know, it's probably a longer shot than any other scenario we've discussed, but Pelosi has the experience and stature within the party.

lunacydetector 10 years, 9 months ago

I would be much more interested in Condoleeza Rice running for President. She's definitely qualified and she has nice legs.

A Clinton/Pelosi would be way too liberal for sure. I don't think they'd have a snowball's chance in hell.

Clinton has nasty looking legs, and Pelosi is past her prime, though she is attractive - you can tell she was good looking when she was younger. Too bad her head isn't screwed on straight.

:)

Bugbear 10 years, 9 months ago

Lunacy, how about Oprah Winfrey for president?

----Now there's a "whole lotta woman for ya"!

Lots of curves! Lots of curves!

lunacydetector 10 years, 9 months ago

No Bugbear, I don't think Oprah could qualify. I thought she was arrested by security at O'Hare Airport. They lifted up her dress and found 40 pounds of crack.

:)

nicegirl 10 years, 9 months ago

I just talked to my dad who went to vote with my sister this morning. He said that her name was in the book under both her maiden name and her married name. I wonder how much that happens and how many people vote twice. Not that it matters in Kansas because we are a red state anyway...

nicegirl 10 years, 9 months ago

Hoofy is gone?? I haven't been able to get on today and see what happened!

Larry 10 years, 9 months ago

Bring back Hoofy. I miss his sarcastic attitude as well as his valid points. Is the LJW running a communist state here? I thought we had freedom of speech here in the good old US of A. If people can't take his remarks, then get off the site. Isn't that the normal LIBERAL attitude about pornography and the Internet? If you don't like it, don't visit the site. How about all you liberals in Lawrence who are pist off about the smoking ban? (Insert whinning voice her) "If you don't like the smoke, don't visit the eating establishment".

Hey, I've had plenty of people get after me and I just laugh and move on. I still remember the day that Carmenilla made me spit my coffee out all over my keyboard in laughter after she basically called me a drag queen. Carmenilla and I disagree often, but I enjoy the debate back and forth. We're all just friends with different opinions. Hoofy is just a bit more energetic than the rest of us. But he is funny, so I say - bring him back! Here is a vote for you hoofy!!!!!! Hey - lets boot Lulu - afterall she isn't a real person.

Savage 10 years, 9 months ago

It looks like bush took the cake. It looks like our republican banter paid off after all during the last 6 months. Larry... Thanks for always setting the record straight. Hoof... Thanks for the humor.

Kyle Rohde 10 years, 9 months ago

Fred Stevens, you're an idiot. Bush and his administration have nothing to do with how the election is run. Stop trying to make excuses.

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