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Are you concerned that marijuana use among high school students in Lawrence exceeds the state average?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on December 7, 2004

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“I am not concerned about that. As long as they keep their grades up and test scores high, they can do what they want.”

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“No, not really. I think there are a lot of other things to be worried about. Abuse in the home is the issue that they need to be most concerned about.”

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“I believe it’s something to be concerned about. Marijuana use was an issue in my high school, and in the hands of young people it can get out of hand.”

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“Yes I am. If they want to reduce the marijuana use, they need more programs in schools.”

Comments

Nachtwolf 10 years ago

Actually, most rappers may talk about drugs, but they don't do them.

Libcon 10 years ago

Also hi jinks, i'm asuming Savage is a refernce to michael savage, if not my fault, if so why does it not surprise me you like him?

Libcon 10 years ago

Maybe I am too old, but I don't get ROTFLMAO!!!

remember_username 10 years ago

Me too. I'm still working on that one.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

It is free speech....but free speech comes with responsibility!---And that is why I think you need to be way more careful before you start throwing around the "R-word" like you do!

betti81 10 years ago

Bugbear--

this study made me feel old and out of touch. easier than getting the guy who still likes high-school girls to buy me beer???

mastap88 10 years ago

Had a friend who smoked pot every day when he was in high school. Valedictorian friend. Majored in engineering friend. His judgement must have really been impared when he was aceing all those tests.

CrizzleBizzle 10 years ago

Ok, let's start off by first saying that marijuana most certainly pushes the unmotivated into a deeper down area of unmotivation. Even though this is the case, it is rediculous to say that marijuana pushes someone to drive 90 mph on a snowy road. Also, for those of you continually pulling the race card, race makes no difference in whether an individual is going to smoke pot. People still get the munchies and sit around, giggling and watching Aqua Teen Hunger Force or some other crazy stoner cartoon, listen to music, play videogames, etc. This activity is much safer than driving out to a dark one lane gravel country road where a party with multiple kegs is being thrown.

Also, all your one-sided arguments are doing nothing but angering those of us who have tried marijuana, and know what you're saying is a lie. If your friend was "pressured into doing marijuana" and shortly thereafter sunk into a deep depression, CONGRATULATIONS, marijuana just helped her realize she needed quite a bit of psychological work to begin with.

RaptorWalker 10 years ago

After reading some of the ridiculous comments posted about this street question, I was riled up enough to post my own comments.

First off, I used to smoke pot everyday, especially in high school. Sometimes I would smoke at least three to four times daily, but then I realized I didn't want to hurt my lungs from the tar intake so I invested in a vaporizer.

So what was my GPA when I graduated from the ever so difficult high school of Free State? 3.975. I'm not trying to boast but it is obvious that marijuana does not solely cause one to fail or become unmotivated.

I was able to get away with smoking weed most of the time in high school because the difficulty level of the classes offered pale in comparison to college level courses. S*it, I took my precalculus tests stoned off my aXX and aced them. But now college is a different story for me. I rarely smoke because I just don't have time to enjoy it.

Oh, and for all those people who talk down on marijuana and have never tried it, stop talking. Try it first and then I'll listen.

Of course, I had a negative opinion of marijuana before I ever tried it, but after I tried it once, I could judge for myself. And guess what? It really isn't that bad. Sure, it makes me want to play Mario Kart 64 more or play some piano, but is that really a bad thing, as long as I get all my work done to the best of my ability? Plus, the pros of legalizing marijuana in the United States far outweigh the cons.

Marijuana first became illegal in the late 1930's when a man by the name of Harry J. Anslinger decided to use propaganda to make it illegal because his friend died of over-dosing on opium. Even the American Medical Association tried to quell his poorly backed arguments, but at the time Congress was angry at the Association for they had just recently fought to exclude health insurance from the Social Security Act, so Congress ignored their argument and marijuana was added to the list of America's outlawed intoxicants. There are so many more points as well. Health benefits, the use of hemp as a textile product (did you know hemp is stronger than cotton and has natural pesticides which would also help the environment in the long run?), and the use of hemp as a renewable energy resource. Any why should weed be illegal when cigerettes and alcohol are legal? Every year tabacco kills 390,000 people and alcohol 125,000 people. How many people are killed by using marijuana? Zero. That's right. Anyways, either legalize marijuana to compensate for the justification of cigerettes being legal, or make both of them illegal. It only makes sense.

Yeah, Marijuana may be a problem in our high schools, but is it really a problem as long as the individual using the drug is not harming anybody and doing all the work expected of him? Let's just chill out. Be happy about life. If you want to succeed in life you will and marijuana cannot take that away from you, plain and simple. I'm living proof.

Jeff Goodrick 10 years ago

OK NOW HEAR FROM YOUR LOCAL INDUSTRIAL MAINTENANCE TECH - EMT- THE GUY WHO PULLS PEOPLE OUT OF MACHINES BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD TO RUN OUTSIDE AND TAKE A COUPLE OF HITS AND HEAD BACK TO WORK. LIKE THE ONE WHO CLIMBED INSIDE OF A CARDBOARD BAILER WHILE IT WAS RUNNING 2 BROKEN LEGS AND A HIP. THE OLD I TRIED THE CATCH THE PART BEFORE IT HIT THE FLOOR, SLOW REACTION TIME, CRUSHED HAND. OH AND EVER GOT YOUR HAND CAUGHT IN A COPY MACHINE, BEEN THERE SEEN IT. ALL THREE TOASTED IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES DURING A POT PARTY ON BREAK, AT LEAST WITH ALCOHOL IT TAKES AT LEAST AN HOUR TO GET TOASTED.

TRY PLAYING A COMPUTER GAME SOBER AND THEN TOASTED AND COMPAIR SCORES.

I FIND IT STRANGE THAT YOU CAN'T SMOKE IN A BAR IN LAWRENCE BUT YOU CAN SMOKE DOPE AT SCHOOL OR WORK.

ENJOY

Bryce 10 years ago

"AT LEAST WITH ALCOHOL IT TAKES AT LEAST AN HOUR TO GET TOASTED." - GEARHEAD.

Sir, I do not wish to to say that you are mal-educated but you are wrong. Marijuana does not induce itself in a 'couple of minutes'. Even if you smoke some hardcore NL(Average THC content can run from 25-35%) up from BC in a nice 2.5 foot waterbong with a glass pullchoke, the above average percent of all users will not get a high untill a half an hour later.

Their is of course the possibility that people were freshly trying Marijuana in which they would get a high in a very short amount of time, but that is the best high you will ever get, and it will never happen like that again.

"TRY PLAYING A COMPUTER GAME SOBER AND THEN TOASTED AND COMPAIR SCORES." -GEARHEAD

If you wish Sir, I will show you my Warcraft-3 Ladder ranking or many other games I do play while under the influence of cannabis.

"Plus, the pros of legalizing marijuana in the United States far outweigh the cons." - RaptorWalker

Very true, yet it is impossible to every accomplish that goal in our lifetime.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

So pot is more readily available/accessible here in Lawrence than in most other parts of Kansas? And teenage consumption of pot is higher in Lawrence than it is in most other parts of Kansas? Hmmm......I believe it. Am I concerned about that? No, not really. Weed has been around for a long time....and it will continue to be around for.....well.....a long time to come, as well!

I mean, let's face it, shall we? Ganja is as big a part of our youth culture today as it has ever been!---And that includes the whole "counterculture era" of the 1960's and 70's!

Consider the following.....

How many rapper "icons" do you think today's youth listen to and look up to and try to emulate? Oh, I don't know.....all of them, maybe? And how many of these "rapper icons" do you think smoke pot? Oh, I don't know, Hi_Jinks.....all of them, perhaps?

And then of course there's the modern day "pro athlete icon"....all of which (except for maybe a handful of Swedish-born hockey players) smoke pot as well!---Especially in the NBA!! Man-oh-man! Especially in the NBA! But I won't go any further with that one!

......Anyway, draw your own conclusions......

I'll just say this....I haven't come across too many stoned-out youths in Lawrence in recent months. But I know they're out there.... .....somewhere....sitting in some early to mid 1990's Honda with tinted windows.....rolling their doobie.....licking their cigarette paper.....listening to rap music....

mrcairo 10 years ago

Surprised? No. Delighted? No.

But you never hear of teenagers getting killed over it now do you. You often hear about kids driving drunk and killing themselves.

I'll take the lessor of two evils, and would rather see them smoking weed than cigarettes or drinking to oblivion any day.

LPolicefan 10 years ago

I think that in the High Schools, that sometimes the the SRO's need to pay more attention to what kids do on their lunch breaks, I know that some of the students at LHS go to the park and smoke marijuana, durring Lunch. If Officer Barta could start trying to go over there, students would see him. That could lead to them not going over there to do that. Officer Barta is a good SRO, but he needs to do something at the Park.

Richard Heckler 10 years ago

I would be concerned if it was affecting performance. Alcohol would be my greatest concern for any reason. Certainly no reason to jail anyone. Probaly the reason this is getting more attention than alcohol is that it is illegal. WE KNOW alcohol can make people do some very stupid things some of which ultimately cause death or serious injury. Then liver damage is also a concern. I say decriminalize pot and concentrate on alcohol abuse. I would rather my children leave both alone as these are some important developement years but drunk kids are my most concern...drunk anybody for that matter. Other than it is illegal why are they concerned?

Nachtwolf 10 years ago

Well, I'm a Junior at Free State, so I'm in the midst of this issue. I was reading the paper this morning, and I came across the article on marijuana, and then read the "On the Street" section, and decided to add my thoughts. Yes, this is an issue. Every day at school, I have to deal with people that I know are doing it. You can tell by the way they act and by the way they smell. Heck, if you look across the street from the school, right off of school property, there are people smoking every day, and I'm sure that cigarettes aren't the only thing being smoked over there. The school says they can't do anything about this because it's off their property, but if you can SEE them breaking a law, they should be able to call the police. There are people I know that smoke marijuana, and they aren't the . . . best students, to put it nicely. They have poor grades, and really, just aren't fun to be around, and not just because of the smell. It's sad that we should have to deal with this. One of my friends was pressured into doing it, and they sank into a depression as a result. It led up to them attempting to commit suicide. They didn't succeed, however, so there was a chance to help them. When you look at it, alcohol just isn't an issue in comparison. Alcohol is something you see, but it's really not that big. Marijuana is easily obtained, and there is something wrong with this . . . Very wrong. I a town like Lawrence, it's just sad.

If any of you would like to ask me anything, since I can offer a student's viewpoints, my email is nachtwolf@gmail.com.

remember_username 10 years ago

Holy Smokes Folks! Just because alcohol is more dangerous we shouldn't worry as much about pot? When was the last time you all smoked pot? The stuff that circulates today is way more powerful than the stuff I smoked in the 60's. And it is way more dangerous as well. Gone are the days of the giggles and the munchies. Try teaching something to incoherent zombies some time and you'll see what I mean.

Ok, yes, I see nothing worse about an adult smoking in their own home than an adult drinking in their own home. Personal freedoms and all that (afterall I'm somewhat liberal). In moderation drinking and smoking pot carry similar risks. But not immature humans! When is the last time any of you saw a kid do anything in moderation. And at school? There is way too much for our youth to learn these days for them to be stoned while trying to learn it. And if they can smoke after school why not before - they will, you know it.

I'm concerned when the use of any substance that can affect a young persons ability to function exceeds the average found in a morgue.

kansaskate 10 years ago

I don't agree with mr Nachtwolf. I, too, went through the Lawrence school system and for six years I sat back and wondered, completely jealous, how all these kids could smoke pot before and after school and STILL do better than me in the classroom, straight edge as I was. Drunk people are dangerous, but the only thing I've ever had to fear around a bunch of stoned out kids is a bit of apathy. Does anyone in Lawrence even REALIZE that there is a bigger problem (maybe not so much now, but in the last year or so)? Cocaine suddenly became the favorite pastime of Lawrence teens. I stopped seeing some of my best friends because I never wanted to be around them when they might suddenly start cutting and making lines. Get your priorities straight, people. Marijuana should be the least of your worries.

JHAWKGURL 10 years ago

I cannot imagine that anyone would think it is an issue. Marijuana is the last thing they should be worried about. Alcohol should be on top of the list. The only thing wrong with pot is that the goverment is not making money on it and that ticks them off.....it is harmless!!!

Larry 10 years ago

What are the (I guess we can say) three most abused drugs in America? Caffeine (soda pop and coffee), Nicotine (cigarettes) and Alcohol. The point is that legalizing something doesn't make it less of a problem, it makes it more of a problem.

Adam 10 years ago

I've got a great sub-question for this topic;

Would you rather be in a room full of Drunk, angry people, or a room full of stoned, hungry people?

Libcon 10 years ago

Merkin, I never said hi Jinks was a racist, I said the issue sounds racial. Most of his points were directed at predominatley black cultures. I don't know where he gets his NBA statistic from (and he may be accurate) but it just sounded like he was singling out blacks.

However, if you actually knew most rap music you would understand most of it does not glorify weed, instead the songs that white music and tv producers decide to market and put on air do.

and hi jinks, "white" friends? did you prefer me to use the term peach?

JHAWKGURL 10 years ago

First off, Adam I love your comment and I commend you. I agree with you 100%.

Adam writes:I've got a great sub-question for this topic;

Would you rather be in a room full of Drunk, angry people, or a room full of stoned, hungry people?

Secondly, I think that the person who asked if I would get on a jet with a stoned pilot?? Well....last time I checked Highschool students were not flying commercial airlines or any airlines for that fact. For those of you out there that think it is such a problem...have you ever really smoked it? Do you know how many deaths have occured when people are drunk vs. high? I am not talking about pot that is laced with some crazy other stuff...just the normal? I would much rather my child say that they were smoking pot than having a problem with alcohol. Read up on some statistics or let me know and I can forward you some. For the record....I dont condone pot smoking nor do I partake in it but I have done it and quite a bit of it in my past and I know for a fact that marijuana is not addictive....look it up my friends. Happy munching!!!!

nicegirl 10 years ago

Hey Everyone! I missed you. My computer crashed and I had to get a new one but I am up and running again!

To answer the question: I don't think pot is the worst thing that high school students do but I also don't think that the problem should be ignored. From my own personal experience, marijuana use made me absolutely worthless. I could hardly function, let alone do schoolwork, operate a vehicle or stand up for that matter. My experimentation didn't happen until college though. And I also get loopy off too much Tylenol. Maybe I'm not a good example.

Libcon 10 years ago

Blaming it on rappers is a far outdated excuse. When rap was non-existent in the 70s drug use was rampant. Most people I know who smoke weed are white. A very lame excuse hi jinks. Sounds like a very racial one too.

Redneckgal 10 years ago

Got to admit I tried it a few times in High School and I never did see the fun. All it made me feel was really sleepy and sick.

Hong_Kong_Phooey 10 years ago

'MRCAIRO' (& others) are you REALLY that naive? Do you truly float through the world thinking that nobody ever dies as a result of being high on marijuana?

My sister's best friend in high school died in a one-car accident in Connecticut. Her name was Shannon. They were going 90 mph on snowy, twisting, New England roads and hit a telephone poll eight feet off the ground. The seat my sister's friend was sitting in had the bolts, which fasten it to the frame, sheared off because of the force of the impact. My sister, thank god, was not in that vehicle. She and some of her other friend's were riding in another car that came up on the scene. Shannon had her seat belt on but due to the fact that her seat was ripped loose, she crushed her chest on the dashboard. My sister spent the final few seconds of Shannon's life holding her in her arms, screaming at her to breathe. The driver of the car was stoned out of his mind, so perhaps you should re-think one of the most idiotic statements I have ever seen in print.

jonas 10 years ago

It's not quite justified in calling it harmless. It can hurt your motivation if you do it too much, and can impair higher order though process as well. However, in almost all ways it is better for consumption than alcohol is, that is certainly true. It's sad. There are real reasons to warn kids about pot (but certainly not enough to justify it being illegal) but all of those get lost in the propaganda, exaggerations and lies that are created to justify it's illegality, because we can't come right out and say that it was made illegal by a campaign sponsored by the cotton industry, who was afraid of hemp putting it out of business, and the brewers of america, who were worried about intoxication competition, and has been kept illegal by fear of change, and not any significant reason.

By the way, how was the meeting, to the folks that attended? Sorry I couldn't make it.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Libcon....I am aware that drug use (pot) was ubiquitous in the 1970's. I practically said as much in my first post. And perhaps all (or most) of your "white" friends are pot smokers. But let's face it Libby, a disproportionate amount of today's so-called "heros" smoke pot.--And kids today know that. It's glorified in much of today's music. Also, there are more than a few high profile athletes that have failed drug tests (specifically for pot)! And kids hear/read about that stuff. All of this sets a poor example for our nation's impressionable youth! And you know it's true! Many kids (past, present, and future) like to do what their idols do. They like to talk like there idols talk, dress like their idols dress, and indulge in "certain activities" like their idols do!

Now as far as your "racist" accusation is concerned......

I'll say this......If you made every NBA player take a urine test right now, this very moment, I'd be willing to bet you that (at least) half of them would fail! ----That's how prevalent pot use is in the NBA these days!

And if you don't agree with any of this....well, then....Libby, you are far more ignorant/naive that your daily posts usually make you sound/appear to be!

badger 10 years ago

Hey, jonas, the meeting was much fun. Sorry you missed it and I hope you can make the next one!

Pot is no better and no worse than alcohol. All drugs, from caffeine to aspirin to heroin, are capable of being abused and have serious side effects when they are.

If people want to sit in their houses and smoke pot, it's no skin off my nose. When folks get altered and drive, get altered and deal with children, or get altered and work, I start to have issues, because that's taking chances with people who didn't get a choice in the matter.

I have the same problem with kids smoking pot that I do with kids drinking. You're developing until you're in your late teens and early 20s. The chemicals you put in your body while you're young, especially around high growth times like puberty, affect your later body and brain chemistry. Occasional use is no real problem, I think, but habitual use (which is, unfortunately, the more likely outcome when kids start drinking or smoking pot in unsupervised situations without positive role models of alterant use) can have serious consequences, chemically speaking.

I don't think pot necessarily needs to be illegal. I think we as a culture, instead of drawing the lines of "This is OK to abuse because it's a legal drug but this one is EEEEEVIL because it's an illegal drug," should work on teaching people to be responsible about what they put into their bodies in general, from food, to booze, to legal, medical, or illegal drugs.

italianprincess 10 years ago

My question is this:

How long has pot been around for one? Seems to me that people have been using it for decades now.

Heres the topper of the day:

Have you ever tried it at least once and are you able to admit that you have?

I did my share during my H.S. years, but you out grow it later on in life. At least I did anyway.

missmagoo 10 years ago

you know what though, this is a huge college town. there is little attention payed to our middle and high schools here. why not have patrol at the high school? take some law enforcement away from college parties and put it back to the high school kids. besides, maybe the college-age crime will go down if it is stopped sooner, where it should be.

i'm from a smaller town and cops were always patrolling house parties and our high school parking lots and what not. i dont ever see that around here....

its high time for it though. welcome back hoofy!

ive_got_my_ascot_n_my_dickie 10 years ago

Marijuana is harmless?? Yeah, right. Would you fly in a jet if you knew the pilot was stoned? Both alcohol and marijuana are capable of impairing a person's judgement. I don't care if people use drugs or alcohol at home, just as long as they aren't driving under the influence or selling it to minors.

10 years ago

Hi all, I've read these comments for awhile, but just now decided to throw in my two cents.

I have several points i want to make.

First, as far as drug and alcohol use goes, espescially among adolescents, it might be fair to say that, especially given the illegality of these substances, it is a certain group of people who try these, but a smaller more defined group of people who become habitual (ab)users. It would be nearly impossible to eliminate this element from our high schools, especially given that these kids are in their experimental and rebellious years and, illegal or not, the draw of something they're not supposed to do is pretty strong. It might also be fair to speculate that the kids that do become habitual users are already lacking in motivation or direction, and that perhaps their use is not necessarily the cause of these traits. While i personally don't think that marijuana use is as harmful as it is made out to be with all the propaganda spread by the government, i do however feel that it is unfortunate when someone too young to see the effects the drug has on them begins using it habitually. i have seen too many people screw up their lives while under the influence of substances such as marijuana or alcohol. And when i say alcohol i'm not talking about going to a party every once in awhile, i'm talking about daily use, which happens far more than most people are aware of.

However, i think a bigger concern than pot or alcohol is the use of other drugs like methamphetamine or methamphetamine derivatives, which are becoming more appealing to students as a stronger alternative to caffeine to help stay awake and deal with hectic schedules and heavy workloads.

In conclusion, and to answer the original question, i'm not surprised or especially concerned about the high use or marijuana or alcohol by our high school students, i would be more concerned if that statistic was habitual users (ie.daily) or if this was a report on our high school students' academic performance. And in response to Larry's comment, i would just like to speculate that legalizing or decriminalizing something doesn't automatically make it more of a problem, there is alot more involved with each of these separate substance abuse problems. I highly doubt that the impact of legaization or decriminalization of marijuana would substantially affect its use by high school students, unless it becomes regulated like alcohol, which i think would lower its availability to high school students. I remember that when i was in high school eight years ago, it was much easier to percure illegal drugs than it was to get alcohol.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Hey, hoofy! Long time, no hear! (I'll let the other posters on this site decide for themselves whether or not that's a good thing!)

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Libby, I wouldn't be surprised if rapper Eminem smokes a pound of marijuana a week! And he's white! And I am aware that lots and lots of white rock stars have died from doing drugs over the past few decades. Okay? I think you're paranoid/a little too sensitive about the whole skin color thing!
Get over yourself! Regardless of who is responsible for glorifying "weed use" in rap.....my point remains the same. (And intact, thank you!) Lots of kids listen to rap...and when they hear lyrics about "smoking a jay"....they smile and laugh and nod their heads approvingly!

And it was you first who mentioned something about having white friends who smoke.....Oh, yeah! Good point on your part, Libby! Like I honestly thought no white people smoke pot! Did I say that anywhere in my previous posts??

You can call your friends (and I'm sure LuLu is one of them) "peaches", "apples", "melonheads", "lawn furniture" , "space cadets" or whatever you'd like! They're your friends, not mine! I don't care! I'm sure that most of your friends probably fit any one (or all) of those descriptions anyway!

Now don't get me started in some silly "flame war"!

As Savage would say at a time like this.......

"You've been officially spanked!"

Now go do something useful with your time!

Like ride your bike to the local WalMart and stand out in front of it and protest WalMart's exploitation of underage foreign workers!!

mrcairo 10 years ago

Ninety miles per hour. Snowy twisty road. Right.

Hey, Hong, got any more of that - must be really good.

jonas 10 years ago

HKP: That wreck was caused by idiocy, not marijuana. The drug itself doesn't impair your judgement enough to create the situation you just described above. At any rate, lets not confuse the actual cause of drug or alcohol related wrecks: the people getting in the damned car. The same standard holds for people who multitask while driving (makeup, dictating, talking on phone, etc.) or people who drive when they haven't had enough sleep. Both undoubtedly cause a great many wrecks of their own accord.

In the end, the problem is always the idiots. Why don't we just cut through the periphery issues and start making legislation against them?

acg 10 years ago

Okay, I'm probably going to get reamed for my comments by many of you, but I don't care. First of all, to address the kids smoking pot issue, it's a bad idea. I agree with badger in that teens are developing, their bodies and brains, and no chemical influence of any kind should be introduced into that circumstance, to avoid altering the finished product (for want of a better term) but the fact that pot is illegal is ridiculous. I smoke it. I have an anxiety/sleep disorder and instead of medicating with the pills my doc is always pushing on me (zoloft, ambien, lorazapam, etc.) I would prefer to smoke a joint, feel better, less anxious, have less stomach upset, and get a decent night's sleep than to be heavily medicated all day every day for a problem that creeps up on me only when my stress levels get to be too high. Okay, here come the comments, right? ACG must be some sort of liberal, hippy, tree hugging, worthless idiot stoner who's good for nothing, unmotivated, lazy, stupid, vacuous, etc. Truth is a lot of people are smoking now, but not to get high, but to feel physically better. My grandfather had pancreatic cancer and lung cancer. I started smuggling him pot into his nursing home the last few months he was alive and he nearly cried when he thanked me, every time, for bringing him something that actually lessened his pain and gave him back his appetite. The truth is marijuana has so many benefits that they seriously outweigh the detriments. Someone mentioned above that the gov't is mad that they aren't making money off of it. That's a crock! The fed, state and local gov'ts all make a killing from pot. From court costs and restitution for people who are arrested while on it or with it or from seizing property from people who are caught growing it and then reselling that property for their own profit. But here's the kicker, they can make even more! Imagine being able to sell pot at a pharmacy and taxing it at however high a tax base they wanted to. The die hard, hard core smokers will pay. They pay the street prices, which are astronomical, so you have to know they'd pay the gov't's prices for it. I know I would.

acg 10 years ago

Pot is definitely safer than alcohol. I have smoked a ton of pot in one night at parties and stuff and never got to be so stoned that I couldn't remember what I was doing or who I was doing it with. Can we say the same for booze? Heck no! Pot doesn't make you drive fast. Hong Kong, I'm sorry for your sister's friend Shannon, but she's an anomoly. Every stoner I know, have ever know, and probably will ever know, drives the same when they're high. 15 mph under the limit. Why is that? Because pot makes you feel like you're driving faster than you really are. 90 mph on a snowy, twisting road? Are you sure pot is all she was on? It all boils down to what you believe, I guess, and how you were taught. My folks taught me that everything was bad when done too much. Food, booze, cigs, drugs, hell even work. There is some sort of stigma attached to people who use marijuana and it's starting to drive me nuts. Because it's illegal, it's assumed that those who use pot are worthless criminals and should be locked up, forced into rehab, buried with the rest of the scourge of society. Bad pot smokers! Bad! I have a coworker who drinks too much and beats the crap out of his wife and kids at least once a week. If our co. started delving into backgrounds, doing urine tests, etc. who would be fired? Me!

Libcon 10 years ago

It's amazing how defensive people get when you pull out the race card, even when they were playing it in the first place whether they knew it or not.

Using Eminem as an example is stupid. Everyone does that. As far as all the rappers that were named off by Hi (how appropriate for this coversation) Jinks and merkin, they are all commercial rappers for the most part, and were marketed by mainly white producers b/c they know it will sell.

Writing the song has nothing to do with it. I could write a song, does that mean it will be marketed?

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

First of all.....

nicegirl, you may (or may not) believe this, but I was aware of the fact that you haven't posted in a while....and darn it, woman! I was a little bit worried about you! I'm glad your back!

And to Italianprincess....How come you don't post more often on this page??? Are the rest of us "not good enough for you", or something? ---I'm just kidding, IP! (Although I do wish that you would check in more often! You too, Redneckgal!) :) !!!

Now to answer your question IP, I have tried it....and unlike former president Bubba Clinton....I actually inhaled, too! And I think you're right that many people who have tried it, out grow it. However, I personally have met more than my fair share of late thirtysomethings and fortysomethings who still smoke it on a daily basis. Including one fortysomething year old guy who once told me that he simply couldn't function "normally" without it!---I guess the term "normally" is just a simple matter of personal interpretation!! I don't know!

I know this....I'm all for legalizing pot for the sick and dying. I mean, really, you've got only a few weeks or months to live....some terrible disease has ravaged your body.....does it really matter at that point what sort of harmful effects pot may do to you as you lie wasting away in your bed?

remember_username 10 years ago

Lively debate today, but a bit biased between those that are pro-pot and anti-pot. I can freely say I've done more than my share of pot smoking, and it absolutely does impair judgement. I'm sure idiocy contributed to the accident but so did the pot. Does anybody here really want stoned drivers out there as well as drunk ones?

Yes, alcohol is worst than pot in my mind, but I don't want either of them in the hands of minors (that's under 18 by the way). Certainly not in school or on the road. So lets stop comparing pot to booze or cigarettes and consider if we want any of that around in the hands of young people and how do we restrict these harmful substances.

Where is Fangorn and ms_canada today? Oh and if hoofy is back I want Lulu to chime in.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Give it up Libby! Please? Whites and blacks smoke pot! Okay? Your paranoia is what started this whole thing! And "Savage" is in reference to a fairly regular poster on this site...not that radio guy you're referring to!

What do you mean the Eminem example is stupid? I don't get you? He's a white rapper isn't he? And for all I know, he's a pot smoker. That was my example of some white rapper dude (possibly) being a pot smoker.

Also, merkin's point was that at some point a "marketing genius" will, in fact, push a song that has drug references. And who wrote that song in the first place? Producer guy? Marketing guy? Of course not!

BTW...nice shot with the "Hi"_Jinks joke!

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jonas 10 years ago

Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A## Off.

I had to look it up at one point. My problem is that I always look at them as actual words, or sounds. This one makes a noise in my head similar to cat coughing up a hairball, and then crying after it gets out, except it's a human making those noises. Lowell (LOL) is worse.

. . . but that's probably just me.

Bugbear 10 years ago

I don't think it's a good idea for kids to be smoking pot--or even cigarettes! But, just like alcohol, I think pot should be legalized and sold to adults only! Doesn't ROTFLMAO mean: rolling on the floor laughing my a-- off? I'm not sure if Jinx was being sarcastic or not, but I'm pretty sure that's what it means.

badger 10 years ago

Rolling On The Floor, Laughing My A** Off, is what it means.

I never said, as a quick note, that no chemicals should be introduced during adolescence. I have been a moderate consumer of alcohol for most of my life. My parents worked on the assumption that they saw nothing wrong with alcohol in general, and so they consumed it in moderation. Instead of establishing alcohol as an 'adult' drink I'd magically be able to handle on my 21st birthday, they taught me that it is a beverage, much like coffee or sugary soda, with the capacity to affect me physically and mentally.

If I wanted a glass of wine with a special dinner, or a rum and Coke while I watched tv with my parents, I was allowed (in smaller quantities than the adults) to have one.

I believe that adults have a responsibility to teach children and teens about chemical alterants honestly, and to provide positive role models of alterant use.

So, we either need to take steps to get absolute control of all chemical alterants (for the record, I'm opposed to this), or accept that some people choose to alter themselves and teach them the skills to do it responsibly and without hurting themselves or others.

Nicegirl, we missed you at the meeting and hope you can make the next one.

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Yes, Jonas, Bugbear, and Badger , you are all correct.
Okay.....Well.....now we all know what ROTFLMAO means! How grand!

Wow! Badger, I sure wish I parents like yours when I was growing up! Mine were way too strict to allow booze in any quantity for me and my brothers and sisters!---Even as teens! (And I still think you're a little paranoid, Libby!)

Libcon 10 years ago

Merkin if you go back and look again I said white TV AND RADIO producers, the producers of the station who decided what does and what does no get on air. most or all of the names you noted do speak of weed at some point or another. my point is they only make up a small part of rap music.

others like Mos Def and Common and even to a point Kanye West, and others as I am not an expert of underground or "concious" rappers. Even if some do talk about it, that doesn't mean it is being glorified, of course it is at times, but you can't just lump everyone into the same category.

hi jinks that whatever you want, this a free speech forum.

Libcon 10 years ago

With responsibility comes a true explanation of what you really mean

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Ah, yes, Libby.....but that gives you no excuse to assume what others may have meant!!!!

Libcon 10 years ago

i deeply, deeply, apologize from the bottom of my heart!!

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Libby....

In your next post, express to me (with sincerity) that you were WRONG, say it three times with your head hung low, and say it with a submissive tone and maybe, just maybe I'll accept your apology. (I think that's only fair--and just--don't you?)

Waiting for your reply......

Libcon 10 years ago

I was neither wrong nor right but simply expressed an opinion. I was neither wrong nor right but simply expressed an opinion. I was neither wrong nor right but simply expressed an opinion.

Did it with my head held high...there is my reply.

betti81 10 years ago

While we need to be concerned about pot, alcohol and cigarettes, we also need to be concerned with the prescription drugs our children on.

hugs_and_kisses: don't forget to these drugs

Adderal Ritalin Zanyx (sp?) Zoloft Ambien Valium Paxil Prozac

and the many other drugs that doctors throw at youngsters problems.

(just a side note--is pot really that easy to get in this town????)

Hi_Jinks 10 years ago

Nope! Sorry! I'm afraid that just won't do, Libby!

Here, this is how I want you to say it.....

"King Hi_Jinks", my lord, I was oh, so wrong to accuse thee falsely and I beg thee for thy forgiveness!"

.....And after you get done kissing the rings on my fingers and washing the soles of my feet, I will forgive you, Libby! I promise!

ive_got_my_ascot_n_my_dickie 10 years ago

"Secondly, I think that the person who asked if I would get on a jet with a stoned pilot?? Well....last time I checked Highschool students were not flying commercial airlines or any airlines for that fact."

You missed the point completely.

Libcon 10 years ago

Spoken like a true Republican. Do what I want, and all we be okay.

Bugbear 10 years ago

Is pot really that easy to get in this town?

I don't know.

Why do you ask, betti?

Bugbear 10 years ago

Okay, now ascot's post really has me ROTFLMAO!!!

I think you're right, ascot! It seems like your point was missed, somehow!

And as for you Libby....It's time for you to go home! We can pick this up tomorrow! Now scram!

jonas 10 years ago

Ascot: Well, your original question was dubious at best. Even the people who think it should be legalized would stop, I believe, at allowing people to drive under the influence. Or fly, for that matter.

Nachtwolf 10 years ago

It absolutely amazes me at those who still say it isn't an issue. As I said, I'm a student at FSHS. I see it everyday. Someone said something about how pot isn't a big issue in school, that they went through the Lawrence school system themselves, and cocaine is a bigger issue. Well, let me tell you something . . . Cocaine in school is not an issue. It might have been when you were there, but not anymore. Pot is a big issue. I know of many, many people at the school who do it, and most of whom, have poor attendance and/or poor grades.

Bryce 10 years ago

Hello everyone.

This topic is very interesting and after reading everyone's opinions for a period of time I have finally decided to hopefully give you a hint of the truth.

Marijuana is a Cannibas, it affects short-term memory and reaction time(while you are high only), increased lung problems and a high percentage of cancer considering the tar content of only .45 gram (one joint) contains 4x the amount of tar that a ciggarette does.

It has also been shown to cause strokes if you are dumb enough to mix a Cannabis which is a mild-class depressent with a stimulant such as Cocaine.

This, you all probably know yet I am only putting it in for back reference. Now, I am eighteen years old, I have been smoking marijuana since I was elven years old when my brother first introduced it to me. My grades have not fallen below 85% yet I have found that I have to try harder than other people in school because of my fondness of Marijuana.

I have many friends also, who have found that Marijuana causes them problems in school, so they make smart decisions such as going to school, going home and doing homework, then getting high and having a good time at night. Marijuana does not 'control' anyone, it can not force someone to do anything. It does not cause someone to drop school, it does not cause someone to crash into a light-post because their reaction time was off by 1.5 of a second since they had three hits out of a parachute. No, it is the persons fault for choosing to have that time out that they did and to then drive.

This country is about freedom, a freedom that no person can take from you. A freedom you are born with and will hold with you untill the day that you die. Each person has their own freedom to make the choices that they want to make in their life. If a person makes the decision to do drugs, then it is his fault for anything that happens to him, not the drugs. Do you really want people passing school who dont have the willpower to try hard enough to pass, with good marks? Every person makes their own choices and should be allowed to. Marijuana is not something you should worry about, accidents happen and hearts are broken, noone can help them but bad things do happen. Their is nothing no one can do to stop it though, if people really want to do something they will do it, no matter what stops them, and the more people keep saying "Marijuana is bad" and "Don't do Marijuana, it will ruin your life" the more people will want to try the drugs, and do the drugs more. The drug does not control anyone, the people only think it does as they do not have the willpower to admit they have a problem, look at it logically, and plan a solution.

Thank you for reading my opinion and hopefully keeping an open mind when you do think about this.

Goodbye.

jonas 10 years ago

Nachtwolf: Yes, yes. But consider: is it the people on pot who tend to have poor performance and attendance, or the people who have poor performance and attendance who tend to, then, take up pot? When I went to high-school (less than 10 years ago) it was a popular drug with the burn-out group, who already didn't take school seriously. I'm not saying it's a non-issue, but don't confuse causalities.

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