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Poll: Support soars for stricter gun control laws; most favor nationwide ban on AR-15-style rifles

March 23, 2018

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NEW YORK (AP) — Support for tougher gun control laws is soaring in the United States, according to a new poll that found a majority of gun owners and half of Republicans favor new laws to address gun violence in the weeks after a Florida school shooting left 17 dead and sparked nationwide protests.

The poll, conducted by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, found that nearly 7 in 10 adults now favor stricter gun control measures. That's the strongest level of support since The Associated Press first asked the question five years ago. The new poll also found that nearly half of Americans do not expect elected officials to take action.

"It feels hopeless," said 30-year-old Elizabeth Tageson-Bedwin, of Durham, North Carolina, a self-described Republican who teaches 7th grade English. "Considering recent events, gun control in this country needs to be stricter — and it can be without infringing on anyone's rights."

Overall, 69 percent of Americans think gun laws in the United States should be made stricter. That's up from 61 percent who said the same in October of 2016 and 55 percent when the AP first asked the question in October of 2013. Overall, 90 percent of Democrats, 54 percent of gun owners and 50 percent of Republicans now favor stricter gun control laws.

Sixty percent believe that making it harder to legally obtain a gun would result in fewer mass shootings; just 49 percent said the same in the 2016 poll.

The new poll finds support for specific gun control measures even among those who bristle at the term "gun control."

"That's what Hitler did," said Flora McIntyre, of Simi Valley, California, repeating a common, but inaccurate, line of criticism against gun control measures. "Hitler made everyone register their guns. Then he came and collected all the guns."

But when asked about specific gun control prescriptions, the 82-year-old retired nurse, who said she owns a rifle and a .44 Magnum, said she favored stronger background checks and limits on the number of bullets allowed in a gun magazine. She also opposes President Donald Trump's plan to give guns to trained teachers.

The poll shows that McIntyre is not alone.

More than 8 in 10 Americans favor a federal law preventing mentally ill people from purchasing guns, along with a federal law expanding background check requirements to include gun shows and private sales.

Nearly 8 in 10 favor allowing courts to prevent people from owning guns if considered a danger to themselves or others, even if they have not been convicted of a crime. And 7 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on devices known as "bump stocks" that allow semi-automatic guns to function like automatic guns.

Nearly 6 in 10 favor a nationwide ban on AR-15-style rifles.

"They should take them off the market. Too much power right there," 25-year-old Sedrick Clark, of St. Louis Missouri, said of AR-15s.

Clark, a self-described Republican, said he recently purchased a handgun for protection. But he said he'd support police efforts to go door-to-door to confiscate "dirty guns" from convicted felons and others who shouldn't have them.

"I know Trump would do it," Clark said, praising the Republican president.

Americans have mixed views on whether they expect any elected leaders to enact tougher gun control laws in the next year.

The Florida legislature passed a law earlier in the month to raise the minimum age to purchase a firearm to 21. The law also extended the waiting period to three days, banned "bump stocks," funded more school police officers and mental health services, and allowed certain staff members to carry guns in schools. Congress, however, has yet to adopt new gun control measures that would apply to the rest of the country.

Just over half of Americans — 51 percent — expect elected officials to tighten gun laws, while 42 percent expect no changes; another 6 percent expect gun laws to be made less strict. Nearly two-thirds of Republicans, but less than half of Democrats, predict gun laws will be made stricter.

Democrat Cody Campbell, a 42-year-old IT worker from Atlanta, suggested that the financial impact of the gun industry would prevent meaningful change.

"Here in the U.S., it's all about the money, and guns are a big part of how we make money," said Campbell, a gun owner who supports stronger gun control.

In Florida, not far from where a 19-year-old gunman killed 17 people and wounded 17 others last month, 50-year-old John Karnosh said he's favored stricter gun control measures since the 1999 school shooting in Columbine, Colorado that left 15 dead.

"All this time has passed and still nothing has changed," said Karnosh, a gun owner from Miramar, Florida, who is not registered with either party. "I live in the same county, down the street from Parkland. I see what these kids are doing. If anyone can build a movement for change, these kids will do it."


The AP-NORC poll of 1,122 adults was conducted March 14-19 using a sample drawn from NORC's probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.

Respondents were first selected randomly using address-based sampling methods, and later interviewed online or by phone.

Comments

Bob Smith 2 months ago

A recent NBC poll doesn't agree. "...WASHINGTON — Nearly six-in-10 Americans say that gun ownership increases safety, even as a plurality of respondents support gun-control organizations, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll...." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/poll-58-percent-say-gun-ownership-increases-safety-n859231

Bob Forer 2 months ago

Bob. Any intelligent observer should readily understand that the NBC poll you cite did not have different results. Instead, it asked different questions Are you intellectually challenged? Or merely intellectually dishonest?

Tell us. Knave or fool?

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Bob are you simply a querulous old bustard or are you just completely out of ideas so you default to personal insults?

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

So, Bob. Why don't you and your NRA buddies have your own rally in DC? Do you really think you could get as many people marching? The marches prove that the polls are right.

Andrew Applegarth 2 months ago

No, they don't. Marches, especially distant marches, show who has money and time. Ballots prove the polls right or wrong. On this subject, they usually prove the polls wrong.

Nathan Anderson 2 months ago

As someone who has no desire to own a gun and is generally in favor of stricter gun laws, I don't understand the fascination with the AR-15. The major problem is handguns. They're easily concealable, powerful ranged weapons that require minimal skill to operate.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Handguns may be simple to operate, but hitting what you are aiming at is another kettle of fish. That takes practice. BTW, AR-type rifles are scary looking.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months ago

AR-15 have been a focus for a while because they have been used in quite a few high-profile shootings.

They are also seen as an obvious choice that most reasonable people could agree should be illegal.

We, sadly, underestimated the gun nuts' ability to delude themselves so we can't even get them to agree to that.

Thankfully it appears the time of letting the NRA and Russian's dictate our gun policies is coming to an end. Further the screeches of 'muh guns' over every other consideration is being ignored more every day.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

The scary weapons ban that Clinton signed into law used cosmetic features to define what was going to be a banned weapon. A bayonet lug was one of the scary features. Who knows how many drive-by bayonet attacks were prevented!

Daniel Kennamore 2 months ago

The tide has turned.

Gun nuts have best come to the table willing to compromise else they risk not having a seat at the table at all in the inevitable gun controls that are to come.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

I do hope you aren't keeping a cork in your fundament while you wait for AR-type rifles to be banned.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months ago

Guess we'll pencil you in for the table for irrelevant people in the corner.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

You can pencil me in as someone keeping his powder dry.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months ago

We knew you were a traitor already, so threaten to murder people seems right up your ally.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

"Keep your powder dry"? Really? You may have a collectors gun with a fancy powder horn, but your AR15 can get wet, can't it. And, yes, this sounds like. a threat to me. Give me one good reason you need a gun like that.

Andrew Applegarth 2 months ago

Wolves. Sure, there aren't many four legged wolves in Lawrence, but your misguided assault on the Constitution doesn't apply only to the urban wilderness. The truth is that there are vast tracks of this country where you can go weeks without seeing a law enforcement officer and you truly have only yourself to depend on.

If you vote to infringe upon my right to defend myself, does that make it an assault ballot?

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Spokesmodel David "Camera" Hogg wants to make all AR-type rifles illegal, but mandating clear backpack at his school is too onerous. https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/23/gun-control-activist-david-hogg-draws-line-clear-backpacks/

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

So we have to adapt to you, so all crazy people can legally buy guns. Why don't you have to adapt to us?

Andrew Applegarth 2 months ago

Because defending myself is a right while having your ignorant fears assuaged is a privilege.

Gerald Kendrick 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Your attack on a high school student who survived a school shooting is the most obvious sign that I should ignore everything you write. Reading what you write only underscores that.

Ken Lassman 2 months ago

Not a bad idea, really. Sticks and stones DO break bones. No kid with guns is going to be wearing armor, too.

Sam Crow 2 months ago

The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a kid with a river rock.

Ken Lassman 2 months ago

Actually I like the chances of a room full of high school or junior high kids with rocks defending themselves better than a teacher with a gun.

Gary Stussie 2 months ago

You think banning scary looking weapon is going to end the crazy?

http://www.military.com/video/guns/shotguns/shotguns-more-dangerous-than-ar-15s/2117567496001

Video - Duck hunting shotgun more lethal than AR-15 sporting rifle.

This video accurately reflects how meaningless it will be to banning the AR-15 ... SWAT Team members have access to true military Assault Rifles ...yet many SWAT Team members prefer the standard five-round Remington 870, Mossberg 500 pump-action shotgun for close in battle.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/ Know what you are talking about! AR-15 is not an Assault Rifle. Banning it is just a feel-god measure, it will not reduce the violence.

Brock Masters 2 months ago

It won’t even ban AR 15s. Here is the attempt by Illinois to define an assault rifle. Worthless.

1) "Assault weapon" means: 15 (A) any rifle which has a belt fed ammunition 16 system or which has a detachable magazine capable of

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1 holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition; 2 (B) a semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to 3 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the 4 following: 5 (i) a folding or telescoping stock; or 6 (ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially 7 or completely encircles the barrel, and that 8 permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the 9 non-trigger hand without being burned;

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 2 months ago

We aren't saying they aren't suitable for hunting. We are saying that only wimpy hunters need the for hunting. Maybe try working on your aiming skills. Maybe try and use a bow and arrow. Maybe stop hanging out at those places where they herd the animal to you, so you can have a head hanging in your den.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Dorothy always goes straight to personal insults because that's the only arrow in her quiver.

Andrew Applegarth 2 months ago

So all you have is an ignorant opinion based on absolutely no facts and you expect us to accept that as sufficient reason to have our rights stripped away? You are even more delusional than usual Dorothy.

Brock Masters 2 months ago

Dorothy suffers from the same affliction Mad Maxine does - low IQ.

The wimpy hunter comment is one of her dumbest comments to date.

Here is the challenge Dot. Just tell us one reason a hunter is wimpy for choosing to use an AR 15 over another type of rifle. Come on Dot, I’m pulling for you to defend yourself and not look like an idiot.

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Council member suggests APD retired weapons could be melted www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/...apd... Dec 19, 2017 - The council member, when asked what she would like to see the police department do with their retired guns, said there are other agencies that melt them down. "I think if we're going to approach this problem, we have to understand that there was a fiscal challenge at the root of why they chose to take this ...

Thousands of guns melted down into rebar - Washington Times https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/.../thousands-of-guns-melted-down-into-rebar... Aug 13, 2014 - Thousands of weapons collected through the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department's "Gift for Guns" program have been melted down into rebar at a steel mill.

Where Guns Go to Die | HuffPost https://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond/where-guns-go-to-die_b_216911.html

Jul 18, 2009 - In Rancho Cucamonga, California the TAMCO Steel foundry has been melting down guns for years. They call the program 'Project Isaiah,' named for the biblical passage about beating swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks. One TAMCO official put the project's goals into a modern version, ...

Council member suggests APD retired weapons could be melted ... Video for retired weapons melted down▶ 3:02 https://ru-clip.com/.../council-member-suggests-apd-retired-weapons-...

Thousands of Guns Melted Down - Pasadena Independent www.pasadenaindependent.com/featured/... Jul 21, 2016 - The more than 7,000 weapons were mixed with about 150 tons of scrap metal and then melted into a pool of liquid metal. – Photo courtesy Gerdau Steel Mill. 23rd Annual Event Is Largest Ever at Rancho Cucamonga, Steel Mill Transforms Firearms Into Steel Rebar for New Roads, Freeways, and Buildings.

Guns melted down at ArcelorMittal steel mill - Daily Local News www.dailylocal.com/general-news/.../g... Sep 29, 2015 - Sgt. Rodger Ollis takes a picture of guns loaded into a truck by the Coatesville Police outside the police station in Coatesville on Tuesday. The guns from the city, along with some from Parkesburg and Baltimore police departments, were melted down at the ArcelorMittal steel mill. LUCAS RODGERS ... Missing: retired

Where Illegal Guns Can Do No More Harm - The New York Times

www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/nyregion/03guns.html

Jun 3, 2008 - “With the destruction of these illegal guns, they'll eventually be melted down and used as machine parts, piping or whatever the industry can use at this time to help better society,” said William G. McMahon, the special agent in charge who heads the bureau's ... A Retirement Plan for Confiscated Guns FEB.

Kendall Simmons 2 months ago

"That's what Hitler did," said Flora McIntyre, of Simi Valley, California, repeating a common, but inaccurate, line of criticism against gun control measures. "Hitler made everyone register their guns. Then he came and collected all the guns."

Too bad that's NOT what happened. But people like Flora will always "assume", rather than research.

Bob Summers 2 months ago

Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his research, he said, “The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power.” In other words, they didn’t need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other “non-citizens.

https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership/

Gun-Gut Hitler didn't have to make any laws to restrict ownership . He already had them. Hitler is like the restricting Gun-Nuts of today. These restrictive Gun-Nuts is why the 2nd was drafted.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

During the scary-weapons ban in the 1990s, I bought an Armalite rifle that is functionally identical to the AR-type rifles that were available before and after the ban. My rifle lacks a bayonet lug and a flash hider.

Gary Stussie 2 months ago

"most favor nationwide ban on AR-15-style rifles" ... pretty deceptive! They go to the rally and ask those who attend what if they are in favor of a ban.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

The leftists and the media (but I repeat myself) are good at fudging data like that.

Jim Phillips 2 months ago

Are these the same polls that said Hillary was going to win the election by a landslide?

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Law enforcement KNOWS damn well assault weapons and open carry places them and all of us in harms way to a greater extreme than ever before.

NO one is asking that registered guns for hunting be taken away. THE NRA is merely misconstruing the situation. The NRA lies.

WE don't need to own assault weapons, military syle assault weapons, weapons that can accept magazines or SWAT team style weapons. The second amendment did not approve these weapons.

A few militias armed with assault weapons here and there will never be any match for the military, FBI, Law Enforcement or ant SWAT team. Any group thinking otherwise is not thinking clearly.

When these assault weapons are retired by law enforcement and the defense department they should go quickly to an iron industry to be melted down. This is not new it’s just that anyway to make a buck took over.

Politicians will say anything to shut americans up about guns when in reality are only waiting for this massive teen slaughter situation to run out of steam.

Review all new regulations and legislation as elected officials are notorious for providing loop holes.

Nothing will change because gun sales finance special interest political campaigns. Can we say no more special interest political donations.

This is why the loud voices for replacing all laws with a few new regulations need to stay active and loud.

Assault weapons must be taken off the retail market, the black market and not allowed in gun shows. Then make it a felony to own or sell one!!!!

Military and law enforcement weapons when retired MUST be melted down and perhaps brought back as picnic tables, lawn furniture, rebar etc etc etc.

Arming teachers is shallow thinking. Security officers are acceptable HOWEVER they cannot stop an action if they don't when a shooting is going to take place or where it will take place

Bob Smith 2 months ago

spam, spam, spam...You've yet to tell us how you are defining "assault weapon", Richard.

Richard Riddle 2 months ago

The assault weapon ban is a straw person argument meant to reach teenagers and the naive. The purpose of course is more democrat voters. A real start to fix the problem is illustrated in the following, http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/14/guess-which-mass-murderers-came-from-a-fatherless-home/

Bob Smith 2 months ago

"...America does not have a gun crime epidemic. There are, however, epidemics in many locales and cities. Who do you think runs the vast majority of those cities? NRA-funded Republicans? No. Lobbyists for firearm manufacturers? No. The vast majority of those cities have been run by Democrats for decades upon decades. Here are the top 20 cities with the highest gun murder rates in the U.S. per capita. Of these, every city except the last one, Tulsa, has a Democrat majority in the mayoralty and City Council or Board of Aldermen..." https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/america_doesnt_have_a_gun_violence_epidemic_democrat_cities_do.html

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Meet some very NRA type legislation which indicates too many Kansas legislators are not listening to the constituents.

BILL TO ARM TEACHERS INTRODUCED IN HOUSE

A bill (HB 2789) has been introduced in the House that would allow school district to have some teachers and staff members carry concealed weapons and to penalize school districts who do not do so. You can find the text of the bill here:

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2017_18/measures/hb2789/

There will be a hearing on this bill before the House Insurance Committee on Tuesday, March 27, at 8:00 am in Room 281-N at the Capitol. If you would like to contact the committee members, you can find a link to a spreadsheet with all of their contact information at the bottom of this page:

http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2017_18/committees/ctte_h_ins_1/

If you would like to listen to the hearing on your computer, you can do so by going to this link on Tuesday morning:

http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00287/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/RoomRouter?location=281-N&viewMode=1#handoutFile_

Please don’t hesitate to contact me if you have questions about this bill. I can be reached by phone at the Statehouse at 785-296-7122, by email at Boog.Highberger@house.ks.gov or by mail at the Statehouse, Rm. 174-W, Topeka, KS 66612.

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Assault weapons must be taken off the retail market, the black market and not allowed in gun shows. Then make it a felony to own or sell one!!!!

Military and law enforcement weapons when retired MUST be melted down and perhaps brought back as picnic tables, lawn furniture, rebar etc etc etc.

Arming teachers is shallow thinking. Security officers are acceptable HOWEVER they cannot stop an action if they don't when a shooting is going to take place or where it will take place

Rex Hargis 1 month, 2 weeks ago

"Assault weapons must be taken off...the black market..." How is this to be done? The black market by definition is illegal, yet it exists and is used for drugs, sexual trafficking, car parts, etc. and has resisted all attempts to make it go away.

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Parents are making a commitment to their children who are not voting age yet. They will not vote for any candidate taking money from the NRA! This commitment should also include anyone affiliated with ALEC! ALEC and the NRA sleep together.

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Richard Heckler 2 months ago

The majority of Parents and their children DO NOT WANT more guns in the schools it is that simple.

John Middleton 2 months ago

"When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, Israel did not declare every school a gun-free zone. It passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers and today runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers killing the terrorists." https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21714

But don't let the parents know how well this worked...

Beverly Stauffer 2 months ago

I would be that their teachers are also well-paid, unlike ours. Not to mention that Israel has compulsory military service, so most of their citizens are already trained to use weapons safely and effectively.

John Middleton 2 months ago

What a great idea! We'll pay them more, make them serve in the military for two years, provide them with weapons training, and arm them to stop active shooters in their schools. Reckon that will work? But don't let these parents know that this works!

Bob Smith 2 months ago

A Heckler-storm is passing through the area, lots of heat but no light.

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Parents throughout the USA are not supporting more guns in their public schools. According to national news.

Parents who have subscribed to not voting for any candidate accepting money from the NRA or affiliates such as ALEC are to be admired.

A lot of Kansas republicans across the board are tied to NRA PAC campaign dollars and have lost their ability to think beyond that...... if the right wing leadership from capitol hill instructs them state legislators will kick their heals.

One more reason citizens in Kansas do not want our public schools and those tax dollars turned over to corporations as in Privatization. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-van-roekel/exposing-alecs-agenda-to-_b_3223651.html

What happened to the republican party? http://www.salon.com/2015/07/31/secrets_of_the_extreme_religious_right_inside_the_frightening_world_of_christian_reconstructionism/?source=newsletter

How did it get to this point? http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/koch-brothers-candidate-training-recruiting-aegis-strategic

Agenda for the state house and capitol hill: http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/alec-the-voice-of-corporate-special-interests-state-legislatures#Voter

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/9/27/the_united_states_of_alec_bill

Parents who have subscribed to not voting for any candidate accepting money from the NRA or affiliates such as ALEC are to be admired.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, Richard?

Richard Heckler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Make voter registration a done deal when one becomes 18........ damn right what could be more american?

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Andrew Applegarth 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Want to really increase voter participation? Make everybody turn in their income tax return on election day and give them their ballot in exchange. Granted, that would hurt the Democrats far more than the Republicans as everybody learned to truly associate the price of their vote (taxes) with their actual vote.

Richard Heckler 1 month, 4 weeks ago

BEGIN ORGANIZING YOUR VOTING DAY PACKETS = Democracy NOW!

Voters must assume CONSERVATIVES are constantly purging moderates across the board from the voting rolls. Any way possible

Okay let's plan ahead. VOTE VOTE VOTE

Voters ORGANIZE A VOTING DAY PACKET which should contain:

--- a birth certificate

--- drivers license or state ID card

--- proof of voter registration etc etc etc.

--- Keep it close by as voting opportunities will occur about 4 times in the next 10 months.

Let's get on with it. WE voters have a mess to clean up.

Sorry to say the grand ole party that represented the Fiscal Conservative/Socially Responsible republicans is dead. Over thrown by a radical right wing Libertarian coup which represents hate and outlaws.

Once again….Voters BEGIN ORGANIZING YOUR VOTING DAY PACKET. Keep it close by ALWAYS.

CONSERVATIVES will never give up squashing democracy and YOUR right to vote.

Bob Smith 1 month, 4 weeks ago

Now you're just mashing bits of old posts together and you keep SHOUTING at people. Go outside and think a happy thought for a change.

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