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Trump disparages African countries, Haiti with vulgarity

In this Jan. 9, 2017, photo, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., left, and Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md. listen as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

In this Jan. 9, 2017, photo, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., left, and Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md. listen as President Donald Trump speaks during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration policy in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

January 12, 2018, 9:47 a.m. Updated January 12, 2018, 12:13 p.m.

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— President Donald Trump on Friday denied using certain "language" during a private meeting with lawmakers as fury spread over his comments about immigrants. But neither he nor the White House disputed the most controversial of his remarks: using the word "shithole" to describe African nations and saying he would prefer immigrants from countries like Norway instead.

Trump's comments came during an Oval Office meeting where he questioned why the U.S. would accept more immigrants from Haiti and "shithole countries" in Africa as he rejected a bipartisan immigration deal, according to people briefed on the extraordinary Oval Office conversation.

"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used," Trump insisted in a series of Friday morning tweets. "What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA."

But Sen. Dick Durbin, the only Democrat in the room, disputed the president's account and said it was "the exact word used by the president not just once but repeatedly."

"He said these hate-filled things and he said them repeatedly," Durbin said.

Durbin added, "When the question was asked about Haitians ... he said, 'Haitians? Do we need more Haitians?'"

Trump took particular issue with the characterization of his comments on Haiti. The Washington Post reported that, during the meeting, Trump said immigrants from Haiti should be left out of any new agreement approved by Congress.

"Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said "take them out." Made up by Dems," Trump wrote. "I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings - unfortunately, no trust!"

Trump's contemptuous blanket description of African countries startled lawmakers in the meeting and immediately revived charges that the president is racist.

"The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not 'tough,' they were abhorrent and repulsive," tweeted Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake.

"I think it was stupid and irresponsible and childish," said Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho. "He's president of the United States. That's not how a president behaves."

The comments also threatened to further imperil immigration talks aimed at extending protections for hundreds of thousands of young immigrants, many of whom were brought to the country as children and are now here illegally. Trump last year ended the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which provided protection from deportation and the ability to work legally in the country. He gave Congress until March to come up with a legislative fix.

"I suspect the Democrats are sitting there going, 'Why would we want to compromise with him on anything," said Simpson, a senior member of the House Appropriations Committee.

Echoed Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine: "These comments are highly inappropriate and out of bounds and could hurt efforts for a bipartisan immigration agreement."

Trump's comments came as two senators presented details of a bipartisan compromise that would protect DACA immigrants — and also strengthen border protections, as Trump has insisted, providing $1.6 billion for a first installment on his long-sought border wall,

The lawmakers had hoped Trump would back their accord, an agreement among six senators evenly split among Republicans and Democrats, ending a monthslong, bitter dispute over protecting the "dreamers."

But Trump rejected the deal, plunging the issue back into uncertainty just eight days before a deadline that threatens a government shutdown.

Trump took particular issue with the idea, explained by Durbin of Illinois, the Senate' s No. 2 Democrat, that, as part of the deal, people who fled to the U.S. after disasters hit their homes in places such as El Salvador, Guatemala and Haiti, would be allowed to stay.

The administration announced last year that it would end a temporary residency permit program that allowed nearly 60,000 Haitians to live and work in the U.S. in the wake of a devastating 2010 earthquake.

Trump also took issue with the idea that, while a lottery that benefits people from Africa and other nations would be ended, there could be another way for them to apply.

The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to publicly describe the conversation.

Asked about the remarks Thursday, White House spokesman Raj Shah did not deny them.

"Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people," he said in a lengthy statement, adding that Trump supports immigration policies that welcome "those who can contribute to our society."

Trump's remarks were remarkable even by the standards of a president who has been accused of racism by his foes and who has routinely smashed through public decorum that his modern predecessors have generally embraced.

Trump has called himself the "least racist person that you've ever met."

But his political rise was fueled in part by the inaccurate claim that Barack Obama, the nation's first black president, wasn't born in the United States. He launched his campaign with a speech that accused Mexico of sending its "rapists" across the border and at one point proposed a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States. He also claimed there were "very fine people on both sides" after violence at a white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, left one counter-protester dead.

Trump on Friday panned the "so-called bipartisan DACA deal" as "a big step backwards."

"Wall was not properly funded, Chain & Lottery were made worse and USA would be forced to take large numbers of people from high crime ... countries which are doing badly," he wrote.

Federal agencies will run out of money and have to shut down if lawmakers don't pass legislation extending their financing by Jan. 19. Some Democrats are threatening to withhold their votes — which Republicans will need to push that legislation through Congress — unless an immigration accord is reached.

Comments

Richard Aronoff 5 months, 1 week ago

In the midst of all the outrage, I haven't heard anyone try to answer the question: why do we? Perhaps he should have said, "Why do we bring in people from these deplorable countries?"

IT'S NOT WHO WE ARE!!!! Really? Who / what are we? I would be willing to bet that most social justice warriors could not tell you what E pluribus unum means. We have the pluribus. We seem too have forgotten the notion of the unum.

What I find more troubling is Nancy Pelosi's comment that the $1000 bonuses that people are receiving are "pathetic crumbs." I wonder how many of the Trump-haters that frequent this space would turn down a $1000 bonus that was being given as a result of the tax cut legislation.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 5 months, 1 week ago

Let me answer it. Unless you are full blooded Native American you had ancestors who came from hell holes. They came to escape the Nazi regime. They came to escape starving to death in Ireland. They came to avoid religious persecution. Here in Kansas many came to avoid religious persecution and to be conscripted into the Russian military. They all came to make their lives better. And each faced a lot of hatred from bigots. And let's quit ignoring what he said after the crude remark. He asked why we don't get immigrants from Norway? Why? Because in Norway they have universal health care, paid maternal leave, 6 weeks of vacation, no student loans. They do have to pay a lot of taxes for these things, but really. Why would they immigrate here? And the obvious difference between these places, is Haitians, Africans, Central and South America and Mexico is the color of their skin.

And you do know that AT&T laid off thousands of workers to pay for those bonuses. Walmart is doing the same. Wonder what the unemployment rate will be at the end of the month?

Michael Shaw 5 months, 1 week ago

Please tell us what you think the 'UNUM" is.

Greg Cooper 5 months, 1 week ago

No, Richard, it's you and your out of touch cronies who have forgotten. We are a nation of many different nationalities who have come here because of the opportunity this nation represents. They came from a whole array of nations. Many came from s---hole countries because they could not abide the living conditions or the lack of opportunity or to escape religious or political persecution. "From one, many" does not assume that every immigrant from every s---hole nation is himself unacceptable as a prospective American. Those of you, including Chump, who disparage these people, people you've never even met, exhibit the bigotry and blindness that grate strongly against the E Pluribus Unum ideal that you can't even begin to defend with any sort of logic or compassion.

It sickens me that the President of the United States displays your valued bigotry, but it is even worse that he denies even having said it. The very worst thing, though, is that you and the rest of the roughly 35% of Americans who have forgotten, or just simply deny, our nation's beginnings and purpose refuse to acknowledge what this nation is and who we, as a people, are. For God's sake, there aren't many countries in which you can spew your hatred publicly without some kind of retribution, but that's part of who and what we are, Richard, and don't you ever forget it. That's part of why these people strive to become one with the rest of us.

And don't for a moment try to convince thinking people that this is about immigration control. This is about bigotry, about being afraid of those with whom you might come into contact; it's about fear that someone might actually want to do a job that you'd spurn for a wage you'd laugh at; it's about fear, plain and simple. It's about not wanting to acknowledge that you're not the shining star you believe yourself to be, but a part of a whole, a whole that derives its strengths from the melding of many different cultures, many different ideas, many different ways of thinking that lend themselves to creating a cauldron from which arise the betterment of each of us.

That's who and what we are, Richard. Until you can believe that "we" does not have an "I" in it, you will continue to exhibit the fear and hatred that your friends exhibit.

Gary Stussie 5 months, 1 week ago

" This is about bigotry" ... no,its about identity politics. You think the Democratic elite care about those immigrants. They are just a pool of voters who, for several generations, will be dependent upon welfare programs and will, subsequently, vote Democrat. The American people are getting wise to the Progressive agenda.

"I have only one yardstick by which I test every major problem -- and that yardstick is: Is it good for America?" Dwight D. Eisenhower

Greg Cooper 5 months, 1 week ago

That, Gary, is a perfect example of your inability to see the forest for the trees. Generalizing what all the "Democratic elite" care about ignores what all the rest of us Dems care about. Several generations will be dependent on welfare? Doesn't sound at all like something that can't be proven, does it? Bull. Give it a try, Gary. Prove it. And, yes, the American people are getting wise to the "Progressive agenda": better social safety nets, better health care, better education, better nearly everything that directly benefits the people, all of the people. The American people are seeing the bigotry, selfishness, big money agenda that you guys push, and they are getting wiser. It might interest you to know that the economic scale of the average Chump voter is no different than the same group of Democratic voters. And, yet, you laud the Regressive notion that taking money and programs from poorer, ill, disabled people is a pathway to fame and fortune. How the heck do you justify that, Gary? Really, how?

This is about, as I said, fear. And you exhibit the fear that someone else might get something that you don't. You show how afraid you are that a brown or black or yellow person might get the same chance you've had to make something of a success of him/herself. That fear, Gary. The notion that, since you were here first, you're better than anyone who might come here now.

Now, let's hear from you and yours about how much better off one is to be a white person in this nation, how much better off the country is without immigrants you don't personally choose. Let's hear it, Gary, because that's what you and your buddies have been saying, and what you defend your president for saying, isn't it. And that, Gary, is racism, plain and simple. That is fear.

Bob Summers 5 months, 1 week ago

Where would the Liberal prefer to live? The tropical island of Haiti nigh the Dominican Republic ?

Or, brutally cold Norway?

Haitian beach front

Haitian beach front by SalBando

Jillian Andrews 5 months, 1 week ago

Another bigoted post by the LJ World's own geriatric racist.

Bob Summers 5 months, 1 week ago

I would prefer to live on the tropical island.. the Dominican Republic side of the island.

It's a safe place.

They have an impenetrable wall protecting them from the inhabitants on the Haiti side of the tropical island.

Good walls, like good fences make good neighbors.

http://quotes.yourdictionary.com/articles/who-said-good-fences-make-good-neighbors.html

Who Said "Good Fences Make Good Neighbors"?

Good fences make good neighbors is a proverb that exists in many different cultures and languages and due to its longstanding history and prevalence, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where this insight originated.

In English its common usage seems to have sprung from Robert Frost's use of the phrase in his poem, “Mending Wall,” published in 1914. He writes, "Good fences make good neighbors... Why do they make good neighbors?" and ends the poem with “He will not go behind his father's saying, And he likes having thought of it so well, He says again, ‘Good fences make good neighbors’.”

Steve Hicks 5 months, 1 week ago

Those old clocks are so cute, the way when the cuckoo sounds off, the wooden toy men come out and do their little dance.

Pretty pitiable as a pretense of adult discourse, however.

Daniel Kennamore 5 months, 1 week ago

Trump says something racist and the usual crowd is here defending it.

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked.

Josh Berg 5 months, 1 week ago

Let me fill in for P Allen on this one. Another snarky comment

Bob Summers 5 months, 1 week ago

Trump says something factual and the Liberal resorts to their usual code words.

Why? Because they are an emotionally hypersensitive lot.

It is all they have.

Words.

Oh, and riots.

Jillian Andrews 5 months, 1 week ago

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Bob Smith 5 months, 1 week ago

Considering Durbin's difficult relationship with the truth and the media's rush to push any story that reflects badly on the President, I'm waiting to see how this shakes out.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 1 week ago

LOL. OK, now I get it: other people tell lies about Trump...so you claim to think Trump may be telling the TRUTH.

LOL. There for a minute, BS, I missed your droll satirical stroke. Good one !

Paul Youk 5 months, 1 week ago

Immigrants, even from countries that racists & hoopleheads don't like, are very much a net strength for our country:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/us/emmanuel-mensah-bronx-fire-trump/index.html

Gary Stussie 5 months, 1 week ago

Trump tries to get bi-partisan cooperation/compromise for a comprehensive immigration package and the DEMs immediately undermine it. If the immigration problem is ever actually addressed, the DEMs lose a major component of their identity politics platform. Can't let that happen!

Greg Cooper 5 months, 1 week ago

Gary, see my comment above. This is not about compromise, economics, or any of the bull you guys try to hang on it: it's about racism and fear. The meeting could have created the bi-partisan result you mention, but it ended making an ass out of Chump and each and every one of you who tries to justify it.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 5 months, 1 week ago

The bill presented was a bipartisan compromise. It's Trump that refuses to compromise. Are you really that uninformed? He wants to deport all the dreamers and so do you. At least admit your hatefulness and need to punish children for their parents's crime. I suppose you think you would get one of their jobs? Why don't you try and go to school and get a decent job, instead of blaming. someone else for your inabilities to get the training you need to live. And get yourself informed. It was a bipartisan bill with the Republicans and Democrats coming together compromising. It's your racist president who wants to stop all immigration from countries that aren't white. If you support that, then have the guts to own it.

Bob Summers 5 months, 1 week ago

"your racist president"

Like clock work. Like the sun rising.

The Liberal shy of facts, resorts to their fantasy code words.

It takes "guts" to recognize the facts without becoming emotionally transposed to be a hater.

Groovy

Greg Cooper 5 months, 1 week ago

"It takes "guts" to recognize the facts without becoming emotionally transposed to be a hater."

Exactly, Bob. And you should give it a try sometime. You of the "I don't have facts but I have witty reparte' meaning nothing".

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 5 months, 1 week ago

I was talking to Gary's lie that this wasn't a bipartisan bill the Trump rejected. What's your point? And someone who prefers white people from Norway over Blacks from Africa and who has openly stated that Haitians all have AIDS is a racist. Those are racist comments. If you say racist things you are a racist. If you tell lies, you are a liar.

And there's the other thing that happened. Trump isn't going to England and it's all Obama's fault, because Bush decided that they needed a new more secure embassy. This tells me two things. 1. Trump is still jealous of Obama. Which has been obvious for a very long time. 2.Trump doesn't care about the safety of embassy personnel. Trump also doesn't have any business sense. Apparently the building of the new embassy was fully funded by the sale of properties owned by the US, including the old embassy, so no funds had to be appropriated, a fiscally responsible way of doing things. Of course, we know his is really mad, because the queen doesn't really want to meet him and he won't be able to ride in the little buggy, like royalty.

P Allen Macfarlane 5 months, 1 week ago

Yup. Another day of "As the Stomach Turns".

Gary Stussie 5 months, 1 week ago

"Racism is just a word that is being bandied about and thrown... at the president unjustly," she said. "President Trump is not a racist." -Dr. Alveda King

Trump was not disparaging Africans or Haitians but instead calling attention to the fact many of their governments are inadequate and corrupt. "Some of their own leaders have taken advantage of them," she said.

Political debate with liberals is basically impossible in America today because liberals are calling names while conservatives are trying to make arguments. – Ann Coulter

Greg Cooper 5 months, 1 week ago

And she went on to say that Chump is racially ignorant. The rest of the story makes a big difference, Gary. And he didn't say anything about the Haitian or African governments, but about the countries, as a whole. Don't even try justifying racism by putting your own spin on it, because racism, or racial ignorance, is racism. That is not calling names, Gary, but those who fit that mold don't seem to see the difference. Ann Coulter? You can do better than that.

Steve Hicks 5 months, 1 week ago

"Trump was not disparaging Africans or Haitians but instead calling attention to the fact many of their governments are inadequate and corrupt. 'Some of their own leaders have taken advantage of them,' she said."

Hmmm. Maybe that's the current president's plan to deal with the "immigration problem" ? Doing everything he can to make America the kind of country in his epithet, so no one will want to come here ?

Gary Stussie 5 months ago

Trump's election, or more correctly, Clinton's loss will make sure that our Government trek toward "inadequate and corrupt" has been disrupted.

Note that FBI issued 1st incitement in Uranium One ... want to learn something Steve? Search "Clinton and Haiti". Bill and Hillary (and Cronies) got richer at that country's expense!

If HRC was not trading access for $$$, why did the Clinton Foundation donations immediately dry-up after she lost the election?

I'll take honest and politically incorrect over polished and corrupt anytime.

Steve Hicks 5 months ago

Gary, you may have missed the news-flash. Hilary lost. Over a year later, how is it you think she's still the issue ?

Want to learn something, Gary ? Open your eyes. Your servile ideological blindness will melt away in the light of reality.

Bob Smith 5 months, 1 week ago

If hundreds of thousands of your citizens have been risking their lives for years to flee your country, you might be in a (vulgarity deleted).

Steve King 5 months, 1 week ago

I guess you Trump supporters missed him agreeing with Diane on doing a clean DACA bill until the GOP ape in the room educated him in front of the cameras. Sad. You see him cross him arms and hug himself. Typical "you got caught" behavior. Then the next day Ryan, Pompoe and Kelly had to educate him on FISA after watching Fox and tweeting his disapproval of a GOP platform. Sad. Certainly no genius. 2017, worst job growth since 2010. Yeah, that's winning.

Bob Summers 5 months, 1 week ago

Jake Tapper ✔ @jaketapper The president did not refer to Haiti as a “sh*thole” country according to the source familiar with the meeting… though he DID say it about countries in Africa...

What happened, the source says, is there was a conflation of two different remarks by the president. 2/

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Steve King 5 months ago

The Conservative Condition:

95% of the poorest counties are Republican.

8 of 10 of the poorest states are Republican.

Red States take more from the Federal Government than they pay in.

Not so much winning, glad I'm a Liberal.

Gary Stussie 5 months ago

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/2018-01-16/activists-seek-to-create-51st-state-new-california

What happens when Democrats are in control

Activists Seek to Create 51st State: 'New California'

“years of over taxation, regulation, and mono party politics,” which it says has made the state of California “ungovernable.”

“The nature of the state becoming ungovernable has caused a decline in essential basic services such as education, law enforcement, fire protection, transportation, housing, health care, taxation, voter rights, banking, state pension systems, prisons, state parks, water resource management, home ownership, infrastructure and many more,” the group’s executive summary says.

Steve Hicks 5 months ago

Gary, it's a basic scriptural teaching that "flesh and blood" are NOT the enemy. That means people are not the problem.

You obviously believe the Bible is totally wrong about that. Which is probably why you always argue for a bad cause, and for hatred of people you think are REALLY the problem (Democrats, "liberals," the media, Hilary, etc., etc.)

I gotta go with the Bible on that one, Gary.

And with scripture's teaching that the enemy is the spirit of lies and hatred (John 8:43-44).

The "side" and the politicians you always argue for are pretty clearly of that spirit, Gary. I'd seriously urge you to re-think giving your allegiance to that "side."

Maybe you didn't realize that your supporting lies and hatred meant anything beyond today's transitory American politics. It does. But if you will, you can still change your mind, and turn back from following the spirit of evil that scripture says is the real problem in the world, and in human lives.

Best wishes, Gary.

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