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Bar owner makes doormat out of Kaepernick, Lynch jerseys

September 28, 2017

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LAKE OZARK, Mo. — A Missouri bar owner is defending his use of two NFL jerseys, including Colin Kaepernick’s, as doormats outside his building’s front door.

KOMU-TV reports the display outside the SNAFU Bar in Lake Ozark originally showed Marshawn Lynch’s Oakland Raiders jersey taped to the ground to the left of Kaepernick’s 49ers jersey.

After someone who saw the display complained on the bar’s Facebook page that the arrangement of the names could be construed as a message calling for violence against Kaepernick, the station reports bar owner Jason Burle switched the jerseys’ placement.

Burle tells the station he meant no personal harm by the display. He says the jerseys were put there to protest NFL players kneeling during the national anthem and insists “it’s not a race thing.”

Comments

John Kyle 1 month, 3 weeks ago

"It's not a race thing." Yes, it is. Both the bar owner's racist message and the reason the NFL players are protesting are about race.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Wow, it's almost like the people who dislike protesting athletes don't even have a fundamental understanding of what those athletes are actually protesting.

Brock Masters 1 month, 3 weeks ago

It isn't so much disliking what the NFL is protesting but how they are protesting. People stand and place their hand over their heart during the national anthem as a sign of respect for our country and its people.

Sitting or kneeling is a sign of disrespect for our country and its people.

Doing it the way they are is akin to being angry at your brother and display that anger by disrespecting your mother.

Angry at the police then take time to go protest in front of police stations, but don't disrespect America and your fellow Americans.

Also, protests,without solutions are just worthless.

Joshua Cain 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Why is the Anthem even sang at a sporting entertainment event anyway? I don't see the purpose.

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

That you don't see the purpose doesn't surprise me at all, Joshua. Doesn't surprise me at all.

Joshua Cain 1 month, 3 weeks ago

What does the Anthem have to do with football? Absolutely nothing. There's no logic to it. One has nothing to do with the other and that alone goes to show that the association simply isn't a good or appropriate fit.

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

The point is that, when a group of Americans gather, there is no point in NOT lauding the nation. The anthem has everything to do with everything we, as Americans, profess to believe and as a reminder to us that we are enjoying the things we are because of the past trials we have overcome, and the future trials we will encounter.

Also, Joshua, there's no logic in downplaying the protesters' belief in what they're doing. What the hell does it hurt to let someone "speak" in terms that mean something to them? There's no logic in denying that one person's way of bringing into public display his way of making a statement. There's no logic in making that protest into something it's not. There's no logic in ignoring his explanation of his public display and turning that display into something vile or "un-American". We don't have to think that his protest is the perfect way of making his statement, but we also have to respect that statement for what it is, and not make up reasons to detest that gesture.

Do you really think, Joshua, that Kaepernik and all the athletes and teams who have joined in this free speech display are anti-American? Do you? If so, I suggest you take a look at the original reasons he, and others before him, picked specific ways to bring to light the things they want changed: they have no connection to this being a bad country or anything other than that they want people to be treated as people, as equals in the building and betterment of the nation and its citizens. Quit parroting the talking points of those who exhibit anything that does not lead to each of us looking past the color of skin or the practice of different religions. Think: if you were a minority (and you soon will be, if current trends continue), what would your thoughts be if a group of another skin color berated you for the simple act of being white? Does your skin color make you less or more intelligent, empathetic, educated, or anything better than another's? Of course not. Then your task is to ignore things like that, things that have nothing to do with the innate worth of any human being.

All I'm saying is that it takes nothing more than interacting with people as if you were they. It's that easy. And that hard. You just have to make the decision as to which is better for everyone and not just you.

Joshua Cain 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Wow....there's a lot to digest there. Personally I don't have a problem with the football players protesting nor anyone on the opposite side of the argument expressing their opinion. I think you've misconstrued my position and have made several incorrect assumptions.

Now to address your thesis on the Anthem.

"The point is that, when a group of Americans gather, there is no point in NOT lauding the nation. The anthem has everything to do with everything we, as Americans, profess to believe and as a reminder to us that we are enjoying the things we are because of the past trials we have overcome, and the future trials we will encounter."

You don't get to decide the above for all Americans. America itself rarely lives up to what it believes. Crack a history book and the examples are a plenty. The founding fathers were explicit in their distaste of Nationalistic concepts for everyone to feel compelled to unite under one blanket ideology like the Anthem.

If as you say "...when a group of Americans gather, there is no point in NOT lauding the nation." is the criteria we'd never get anything done. Too many groups not enough time and there is no consistency. This is where my point is correct in that the Anthem isn't necessary for ENTERTAINMENT. It's a square peg in a round hole. It's an incredible leap to tie the two together especially when it's selective. It's like the American flag printed on a beer can. There's nothing American about it.

For the rest of your post......it gave me a a headache and was irrelevant to the topic.

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

The solution is everyone simply accept everyone else's accidental skin color. That's pretty damned simple. From there, it gets easier.

Brock Masters 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Great idea, but how do you accomplish it?

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Well, you and I pass along our thoughts to each and everyone we converse with about anything remotely racial. We use facts and we use emotion to ask people why they are so inclined. Then, we act in public as if there is no difference between us and others. We lead by example. We talk openly about our beliefs. Really, it's simple in theory, but difficult to put one's self out there in practice. But, without our each actually doing what we say we believe, it's pretty difficult. So, since easy is better than difficult, we just do it.

Brock Masters 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Honestly, I don't encounter people who think race defines a person except for one black person I converse with. She thinks it is okay to blame all whites and that racial discrimination by blacks is okay.

My actions demonstrate exactly what you're wanting. I don't care about skin color. I do care about character. Ben Carson was my guy in the past elections. Hated Bush. Love Thomas. Don't care for Ginsburg.

Despise the KKK, white Supremacist, the BLM and Black Supremacists equally.

There is no master race. We are all human, and skin color doesn't matter.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Come on, Greg--aren't you asking a bit much from Americans? Next thing you know, you'll be expecting us to behave like we're in the 21st century.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Ok, Brock, since you find their actions so disrespectful to the nation/flag/troops/etc. I assume you're equally outraged by Trump not putting his hand over his heart during the anthem on multiple occasions? (check google, the pics are there). And by the flag being spread horizontally across a football field instead of being allowed to wave? And by Kid Rock defacing a flag to wear it as a poncho? And by the blatantly inappropriate use of the flag for commercial/advertising purposes? And by the numerous other violations of the flag code (again, just google it) that "patriots" commit on a daily basis? Dude...

Funny thing, there's nothing in the flag code about standing during the anthem being a requirement, it's literally just a suggestion; nothing more, nothing less. Their choice of protest strategy is peaceful and non-offensive to any well-informed American. In fact, the way they're protesting is super-American and in line with the country's storied tradition of protest. If you're offended, you're part of the problem.

Further, your suggestion that they just protest in front of a police station to address police brutality and racial inequality is simply ignorant. BLM and allied organizations have already tried that as well as dozens of other protest strategies only to be told time and time again by people just like you, "no, you shouldn't protest like that." Maybe it's not really the form of protest you have a problem with.

Brock Masters 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Evan, it would help if you reply to what I actually wrote and not something else. Where did I mention flag in my post? Nope, only mentioned the national anthem. As for Trump not showing respect I'd be even more critical of him because he is our president.

Kid Rock and others who fail to show respect to the flag are all wrong in my book.

I did not suggest that they protest in front of a police station to address racial inequality -,again, you're making stuff up.

Show me where the BLM has protested in front of a police station. Regardless, it was just a suggestion and may not have been good one, but the point was there are better ways to protest police brutality than disrespecting our country.

As far as being told how people should protest, I do believe there is a right time and place. Phelp's protesting at funerals wrong. BLM shutting down highways in protest wrong. Peacefully marching through the streets right. Standing vigil in protest right.

Burning and looting as a means of protest very wrong.

Refusing to give up your seat on a bus very right.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 3 weeks ago

You've gotta be kidding me, bud. Either you're super dense or you're an excellent troll. I hope the latter is true for your sake, but the jury still hasn't come back with a verdict.

So everything that I said about the flag in my reply to your comment is irrelevant because you didn't explicitly mention the flag, right? I have to disagree in the strongest possible terms since the flag is in fact central to the pageant of performing the national anthem (i.e. the people stand, place their hands over their hearts or salute, and FACE THE FLAG). I can't think of a single time I've seen the national anthem performed in public when the flag wasn't part of the ceremony. In short, my response was entirely relevant within the context of "disrespect to the anthem/America" whether you care to admit it or not.

Next, no, I'm not "making stuff up." You wrote, "Angry at the police then take time to go protest in front of police stations"; since racial inequality in policing is part of the issue BLM and their allies have with the police, that is in fact what you suggested. Don't blame me for your inability to understand the nuances of the movement. As for examples of when BLM has protested in front of police stations, you have access to the internet and I assume you know how google works...

Lastly, I don't care enough to debate the difference between appropriate and inappropriate protest since it's such a subjective matter; my stance is simply that athletes protesting the anthem is perfectly appropriate and if it offends you, then you just don't get it and probably never will.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
--JFK

Brock Masters 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Name calling - final act of desperation.

You said I find their actions toward the flag disrespectful. That is a lie since I didn't say it.

You can bring the flag into the discussion but don't say I said ir was disrespectful.

As far as,racial inequality, that encompasses a great deal more than police brutality and to justify yourself you now bring in the BLM which is not part of this discussion.

To funny you do not wish to debate appropriate and inappropriate and yet you go ahead and justify why the NFL protest is appropriate.

You're entitled to your stance, but your name calling to support it clearly demonstrates your inability to have an open mind and counter with a cognitive argument.

I've hit the ignore button on you so post away with your insults.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

"Final act of desperation"--that's adorable, coming from the person who has been out of his depth for the entire thread...

But please, throw some more logical fallacies my way; I love laughing at them/you. So far my favorites are your use of ad hominem (i.e. "[you're a name caller, so nothing you say has validity"]) and begging the question (i.e. "my conclusion about disrespecting the anthem being disrespectful was included in my premise, so I'm going to ignore any other secondary points you make regardless of their relevance"). I've had a lot of laughs on your account, so thanks. That said, Brock, you couldn't engage an intellectual debate if it got down on one knee, showed you a ring, and popped the question (which is SUPER funny considering how you said I'm unable to use cognitive argument, lol). I could go on, but it isn't worthwhile.

The flag is entirely relevant, it's not my fault you don't understand how the symbolism of ceremony works. I brought BLM into the discussion pretty early, so it's also not my fault that you can't keep track of the ideologies that are at play within this issue. And no, I don't care to debate the nuances of protest with you; you clearly don't have a handle on its intricacies and I'm not interested in wasting even more of my time.

By all means, hit that ignore button; in fact, I encourage you to do so. Retreat back into your echo-chamber.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Well this is his first amendment right to do so, but the kneeling is a lot more respectful and classy protest. And, as is stated above, he is pretty clueless about what is being protested. Does he think that police brutality is a good thing?

Bob Smith 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Excellent example of a false dilemma, Dorothy!

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

I don't see a dilemma, Bob. Where do you see that?

Bob Smith 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Hissy-fitting millionaires get no respect from me.

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Oh, you mean like Chump bitching that poor people might get some life-saving health care? Or that some union might be able to help its members have a better, easier life? Or going on Twitter rants about someone's disrespectful protest for the flag when that's not at all what the protest was about in the first place? Those kind of hissy-fits from that professed millionaire?

Bill Turner 1 month, 3 weeks ago

And, once again, everything is boiled down to money by a conservative nut.

Phillip Chappuie 1 month, 3 weeks ago

I'm with Bob on this one. I can't stand Donald Trump either.

Kneeling in protest is not disrespectful. Exercising a right in a peaceful manner is not offensive. Now what is truly disrespectful of the American flag is the confederate flag. Ted Nugent's flag shirt is disrespectful. Kid Rock's flag poncho is disrespectful. Ironic that Ken Burn's show is on right now, it's almost like 1969 revisited.

Theodore Calvin 1 month, 3 weeks ago

I was amazed and appalled at the parallels between what is being shown in the Viet Nam doc and our current day news. It's scary that nothing has really changed over the course of 40 years. Not only that, but we are repeating history and some of the people who lived through the volatile times then are the ones causing them now. Did we learn nothing?

Greg Cooper 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Yes, that is apparently exactly what we learned. And what is so stunning to me is that it is the baby boomers who so vehemently struggled against the war who are now the ones who are struggling so mightily with human rights.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 3 weeks ago

I've been amazed at the way some of my fellow baby boomers have suddenly turned from being for human rights to being gun toting, judgmental fake patriots. The values of supporting equal rights for all, caring about the less fortunate, and peace were my values then and now. But it seems like a lot of people just go with what the fad of the era is.

Armen Kurdian 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Racist speech is legal and protected. Doesn't make it right or acceptable. Disrespecting the anthem is legal and protected. Doesn't make it right or acceptable.

Steve Jacob 1 month, 3 weeks ago

You know some of the twiiter hate from the NFL players protest has been linked to Russia already? Russia is playing us for suckers, and doing a good job of it.

Kevin Anderson 1 month, 3 weeks ago

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So long as it is "peaceful" it is a right to protest. Is blocking streets on the highway peaceful?

I believe these athletes have the right to protest however they want. While not at work.

If I am involved in any activity during my job that can bring negative focus on the company that I work for, the company has the right to terminate my employment. I could be on a plane wearing a company shirt, and be fired for doing something that our company does not believe is in the best interest of the company. The NFL has that same right as the employer.

Bob Summers 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Law Professor: Stop Saying Football Players Have a ‘Constitutional Right’ to Kneel During the National Anthem. They Don’t. Teresa Stanton Collett, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law, sets the record straight.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/law-professor-stop-saying-football-players-have-constitutional-right-kneel-during-national

There’s just one problem. The 1st Amendment doesn’t work that way. Anyone who’s ever bothered to read the U.S. Constitution knows that the 1st Amendment begins with, “Congress shall make no law ….”

Mark Pickerel 1 month, 3 weeks ago

NFL owners are fine with the protests, so this seems irrelevant.

Chris Warman 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Doesn't freedom of speech work both ways?

Steve Carlson 1 month, 3 weeks ago

I'm lifting this from a someone's Facebook post from a couple of days ago.

Here is another perspective .... from an innocent child.

I asked Molly, who is 8 years old and plays several sports, what it means to "take a knee." Her answer: "it's what you are supposed to do when someone is hurt. It shows that you care and that you want them to get better or be okay."

I then asked her what she thought it meant that some of the players on the Ravens knelt during the National Anthem. Her response: "I guess they think that our country is hurt and they are hoping that it will get better."

Maybe the problem ins't a lack of respect. Maybe you are choosing not to see that these are men who are saying that our country is hurting and they are hoping it gets better. -

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 3 weeks ago

The bar owner is right. It's not a race thing. It's a racist thing that he did.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Every time 45th President appears in the vicinity of a US flag, an act of the severest desecration occurs.

Paul Beyer 1 month, 3 weeks ago

First thought was , maybe bar owner would make a good doormat.

Ray Mizumura 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Yep. He likes to be walked all over by Trump and his ilk. Feels like freedom to him.

Richard Heckler 1 month, 3 weeks ago

So the bar owner celebrates injustice ....... as do many customers apparently.

Bob Smith 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Another great example of a false dilemma!

Richard Aronoff 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Enough already! Does the NFL have an operations manual that requires players to stand? Yes Do the players have a right to kneel? Yes Could the players be disciplined? Yes, but they probably won't be because the aforementioned operations manual says they "may" be disciplined not that the "will" be. Do the fans have a right to protest the players' behavior? Yes Will the league and players lose so much money that the kneeling will stop? Yes

Mark Pickerel 1 month, 3 weeks ago

CTE will do more damage to the NFL than the protests ever will.

Jillian Andrews 1 month, 3 weeks ago

Lose money? Bwahahahahaha! This is football. In America. Try again.

Michael Kort 1 month, 3 weeks ago

This is classic !

You get the next best thing to a drug pusher ( a bar owner ) who complains about others being unpatriotic or the bad role models type sthick !

Wonder how many domestic drunken violence calls this bar has contributed to ? Or how many DWIs it has aided...... or worse yet, ......to how man driving deaths ?

Society subsidizes public drinking establishments and the damage that public drinking spots contribute to it as a real costs !

So let's all be mad at players that society can not muzzle with politeness, as if our Germany and our Adolph will collapse if people realize that something Is wrong and speak out at a public sing allong !

This great fear of unpatriotic speach or action is what kept us in Vietnam and listening allong to LBJ & NIXON's ego stories about how we were going to win something there .

Trump learned to sell winning long ago in the casino business..........before he lost the store in a financial failure .

The devil sells social division and Trumpis is it's servant deluxe and he understands and plays the fact that humIn nature is to be devisive and antisocial .

Do not notice that his cabinet is intellectually corrupt and not stable,.....a revolving set of doors......... nor is his inner circle of advisers stable.........only see disrespectful players protesting human injustice at a time when we all should be " singing this song together "......this is Destraction Politics and it works !.........or this story wouldn't be here !

Gary Stussie 1 month, 2 weeks ago

"The devil sells social division"... it would appear that the devil has a lot of helpers on this site! Plenty of social division being pushed here.

Will White 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You people are way to uptight! I think it is funny.

Armen Kurdian 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Protesting the anthem and our country is legal, and protected speech. It's also unacceptable, unprofessional and says more about the individual than it does about anything else.

Stomping on the jerseys as you walk into a bar is not a helpful way to get that point across.

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