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At least 59 killed, 527 wounded as gunman opens fire at Las Vegas concert; worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history

Police officers stand along the Las Vegas Strip the Mandalay Bay resort and casino during a shooting near the casino, Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas. (AP Photo/John Locher)

Police officers stand along the Las Vegas Strip the Mandalay Bay resort and casino during a shooting near the casino, Sunday, Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas. (AP Photo/John Locher)

October 2, 2017, 6:40 a.m. Updated October 2, 2017, 6:16 p.m.

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LAS VEGAS — The rapid-fire popping sounded like firecrackers at first, and many in the crowd of 22,000 country music fans didn't understand what was happening when the band stopped playing and singer Jason Aldean bolted off the stage.

"That's gunshots," a man could be heard saying emphatically on a cellphone video in the nearly half-minute of silence and confusion that followed. A woman pleaded with others: "Get down! Get down! Stay down!"

Then the bam-bam-bam sounds resumed. And pure terror set in.

"People start screaming and yelling and we start running," said Andrew Akiyoshi, who provided the cellphone video to The Associated Press. "You could feel the panic. You could feel like the bullets were flying above us. Everybody's ducking down, running low to the ground."

While some concertgoers hit the ground, others pushed for the crowded exits, shoving through narrow gates and climbing over fences as 40- to 50-round bursts of what was believed to be automatic weapons fire rained down on them from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay casino hotel.

By Monday afternoon, 59 victims were dead and 527 wounded in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

"You just didn't know what to do," Akiyoshi said. "Your heart is racing and you're thinking, 'I'm going to die.'"

The gunman, identified as Stephen Craig Paddock, a 64-year-old retired accountant from Mesquite, Nevada, killed himself before officers stormed Room 135 in the gold-colored glass skyscraper. He had been staying there since Thursday and had busted out windows to create his sniper's perch, roughly 500 yards from the concert grounds.

The motive for the attack remained a mystery, with Sheriff Joseph Lombardo saying: "I can't get into the mind of a psychopath at this point."

Paddock had 16 guns in his hotel room, including rifles with scopes, Lombardo said. Two were modified to make them fully automatic, according to two U.S. officials briefed by law enforcement who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding.

At Paddock's home, authorities found 18 more guns, explosives and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Also, several pounds of ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer that has been used to make explosives, were in his car, the sheriff said.

The FBI said it found nothing so far to suggest the attack was connected to international terrorism, despite a claim of responsibility from the Islamic State group, which said Paddock was a "soldier" who had recently converted to Islam.

In an address to the country, President Donald Trump called the bloodbath "an act of pure evil" and added: "In moments of tragedy and horror, America comes together as one. And it always has." He ordered flags flown at half-staff.

With hospitals jammed with victims, authorities put out a call for blood donations and set up a hotline to report missing people and speed the identification of the dead and wounded. They also opened a "family reunification center" for people to find loved ones.

More than 12 hours after the massacre, bodies covered in white sheets were still being removed from the festival grounds.

The shooting began at 10:08 p.m., and the gunman appeared to fire unhindered for more than 10 minutes, according to radio traffic. Police frantically tried to locate him and determine whether the gunfire was coming from Mandalay Bay or the neighboring Luxor hotel.

At 10:14 p.m., an officer said on his radio that he was pinned down against a wall on Las Vegas Boulevard with 40 to 50 people.

"We can't worry about the victims," an officer said at 10:15 p.m. "We need to stop the shooter before we have more victims. Anybody have eyes on him ... stop the shooter."

Near the stage, Dylan Schneider, a country singer who performed earlier in the day, huddled with others under the VIP bleachers, where he turned to his manager and asked, "Dude, what do we do?" He said he repeated the question again and again over the next five minutes.

Bodies were laid out on the artificial turf installed in front of the stage, and people were screaming and crying. The sound of people running on the bleachers added to the confusion, and Schneider thought the concert was being invaded with multiple shooters.

"No one knew what to do," Schneider said. "It's literally running for life and you don't know what decision is the right one. But like I said, I knew we had to get out of there."

He eventually pushed his way out of the crowd and found refuge in the nearby Tropicana hotel-casino, where he kicked in a door to an engineering room and spent hours there with others who followed him.

The shooting had begun as Aldean closed out the three-day Route 91 Harvest Festival. He had just opened the song "When She Says Baby" and the first burst of nearly 50 shots crackled as he sang, "It's tough just getting up."

Muzzle flashes could be seen in the dark as the gunman fired away.

"It was the craziest stuff I've ever seen in my entire life," said Kodiak Yazzie, 36. "You could hear that the noise was coming from west of us, from Mandalay Bay. You could see a flash, flash, flash, flash."

The crowd, funneled tightly into a wide-open space, had little cover and no easy way to escape. Victims fell to the ground, while others fled in panic. Some hid behind concession stands or crawled under parked cars.

Faces were etched with shock and confusion, and people wept and screamed.

Tales of heroism and compassion emerged quickly: Couples held hands as they ran through the dirt lot. Some of the bleeding were carried out by fellow concertgoers. While dozens of ambulances took away the wounded, while some people loaded victims into their cars and drove them to the hospital. People fleeing the concert grounds hitched rides with strangers, piling into cars and trucks.

Some of the injured were hit by shrapnel. Others were trampled or were injured jumping fences.

The dead included at least three off-duty police officers from various departments who were attending the concert, authorities said. Two on-duty officers were wounded, one critically, police said.

Las Vegas Mayor Carolyn Goodman said the attack was the work of a "crazed lunatic full of hate."

The sheriff said authorities believe Paddock acted alone. While Paddock appeared to have no criminal history, his father was a bank robber who was on the FBI's most-wanted list in the 1960s.

As for why Paddock went on the murderous rampage, his brother in Florida, Eric Paddock, told reporters: "I can't even make something up. There's just nothing."

Hours after the shooting, Aldean posted on Instagram that he and his crew were safe and that the shooting was "beyond horrific."

"It hurts my heart that this would happen to anyone who was just coming out to enjoy what should have been a fun night," the country star said.

Before Sunday, the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history took place in June 2016, when a gunman who professed support for Muslim extremist groups opened fire at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, killing 49 people.

A suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England, killed 22 people in May. Almost 90 people were killed in 2015 at a concert in Paris by gunmen inspired by the Islamic State.

Comments

David Barrett 1 month, 2 weeks ago

How long does this have to go on before something is done?

Bob Forer 1 month, 2 weeks ago

When a child of a prominent gun manufacturer becomes a victim of one of these mass shootings.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

What do you think will happen that would have prevented this mass murder?

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

All questions and no solutions as usual, Brock. What do YOU think could have prevented this atrocity?

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Evan, please read what I post instead of assuming. I posted solutions many times including 3 hours ago on this thread.

Longer jail sentences for illegal possession of a firearm. Longer sentences for violent crimes. Rehabilitation of non-violent offenders with little to no jail time as prison is counterproductive.

Study someplace like Chicago that has strict gun laws but high violent crime and figure out why and what can be done.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have to rebuild communities to eradicate the violent culture. I believe provide nutrition and education so people have futures and it will help.

Also ensure that the mentally ill are included in the background database.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I have read your responses.

Longer jail sentences for illegal possession of a firearm and commission of a violent crime makes sense. And I agree, the mentally ill probably shouldn't have guns, but how do we screen for that check? It's not hard to slip through the cracks on that one, especially if one hasn't ever sought treatment or been officially diagnosed (another huge issue in the country).

Rehabilitation of non-violent offenders also makes sense (i.e. it's not counterproductive), especially in light of the fact that many of the jailed non-violent offenders (particularly those who have committed drug crimes) are disproportionately people of color (which, again, suggests police profiling of minorities for a number of reasons).

I don't necessarily disagree with your proposals, but none of them are tenable until a huge change is made in the country's justice policy.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You misunderstood my comment. I was advocating for rehabilitation and think prison for non-violent offenders is counterproductive. We remove them from society and expose them to hardened criminals and then release them with no skills. Stupid.

Jail for drug users is also counterproductive. Rob children of parents, cause some to lose jobs and then put them back out on the streets without addressing drug addiction.

Agree we need to change our justice system. It favors the wealthy and justice must be for all regardless of socioeconomic status.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I misunderstood your comment? What specifically about about your statement "Rehabilitation of non-violent offenders with little to no jail time as prison is counterproductive" would lead any reader to suppose jail time isn't involved? I don't think I'm alone in my belief that you were more than a little unclear on that point, try throwing in a comma sometime if you're separating clauses. I'm not a mind reader, pal, and this sort of "miscommunication" seems to be a common theme with you

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Why the hostility Evan? Does it make you feel good to be nasty when someone is being civil. Yes, a comma would have been good but I wrote ‘as jail time is counterproductive.” The”as” separates the two, but yes, a comma would have been better. Writing on a phone and on the go doesn’t produce perfect writing.

Didn’t blame you for the misunderstanding and admit I could have been clearer but why make a big deal out of something we agree on?

So now all you’ve accomplished is to shut down a civil conversation. Due to being juvenile and petty. Proud moment for you.

Bob Forer 1 month, 2 weeks ago

A ban on military style high capacity weapons which have no utility as conventional self defense or hunting firearms. Such a ban may or may not have prevented this. The fact remains, though, that last year over 2 million handgun applications were denied as a result of background checks, and although it is impossible to determine, I am sure those controls probably saved some lives.

Bob Summers 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Exactly. Something needs to be done.

When is aminocentesis looking for DRD4 polymorphism of prospective gun owners going to be initiated?

Reports in the tweeter verse and local newspapers has the assailant as: Shooter was a far-left dude, visited and liked many anti-Trump sites, probably assumed Country music fans would be Conservatives. Far left are our domestic terrorists now.

This sounds like the assailant had "JT Hodgkinson" disorder.

Paul Youk 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Those weren't reports, they were lies and propaganda--first attributed to the wrong person entirely. The second wave of lies were that he was a recent convert to Islam...which you'll probably start regurgitating soon enough.

Those lies spread like wildfire because of people like you Bob, who have no interest in facts, but rather in interpreting all things through your pre-conceived dogmas.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

It will go on for a long time as long as the focus is on banning guns and limiting the 2nd amendment.

Want something to be done then either repeal the 2nd amendment or focus on other solutions to curb violence.

Longer jail sentences for illegal possession of a firearm. Longer sentences for violent crimes. Rehabilitation of non-violent offenders with little to no jail time as prison is counterproductive.

Study someplace like Chicago that has strict gun laws but high violent crime and figure out why and what can be done.

Things can be done but it is easier to attack the 2nd amendment.

RJ Johnson 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Yes, something needs to be done, but what? Outlawing guns is not the answer, by doing so would only make the law abiding citizens sitting ducks! A perfect example of this is the UK? If someone wants to harm you they will do so irregardless of the gun laws!!

Last night for example, those shots from the 32nd floor of the hotel sounded like they were from a full automatic weapon. A full automatic weapon is illegal to own anywhere in the USA. Did this law stop this shooter? NO!

Theodore Calvin 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Well they're legal as hell and they were still sitting ducks, so I guess full blown legalization of firearms, high-round clips, etc, isn't working either?

Bob Forer 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Yeah. Where were all the good guys with guns? They were running like hell seeking cover.

Andrew Burger 1 month, 2 weeks ago

It's very hard to use your 9mm pistol to hit a target at 180000 feet (60000Yds). If you are a sensible gun owner then you won't be bringing your high power rifle or AR. So saying "where were all the good guys with guns?" You are blaming people for not taking more risks in endangering the other around them and causing more chaos. When you have bullets coming at you! Please stop, and start taking shots at a target, way too far away for the average concealed weapon.

Mike Gant 1 month, 2 weeks ago

If someone in the UK wants to hurt you, yeah, they can. What they can't do is shoot dead 50 people and hurt 400.

Considering the pauses in the fire, it sounds like he could very well have been using semi-automatic weapons, which are legal. And even if they were full-automatic, that is because the manufacturers design them to be easily modified to full-automatic (albeit illegally) simply because it greatly increases their sales.

As far as protecting the populace, it took 13 Spanish/Moroccans a year of planning to kill as many people as they could. With no access to weapons they tried to make their own bombs and blew some of themselves up, then drove a van down one of the busiest streets in the world and killed 14 people.

And all this idiot had to do was take nearly a dozen guns he could easily purchase at a local Walmart, drive to a casino, and kill 50+ innocent civilians all by himself.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I dispute your statement about mfgs designing semi-auto rifles to be easily modified. What is your proof to back up that statement?

Think about this, if what you stated was true, then why aren’t more mass shooters using full automatic weapons instead of semi-automatic?

Joe Blackford II 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Down in the shallow end of the gene pool, it's hard to concentrate for the full 3:41 minutes necessary?

And NO, I didn't Google for videos on all the other semi-automatics available to . . .

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Joe, before you go insulting people you need to do more research and not believe everything you read on the internet. The video is a fake and you fell for it. As the video says, Joe, you got Miley Rolled.

Classic - call someone stupid and post a fake video.

Joe Blackford II 1 month, 2 weeks ago

reply => Brock, I called no one "stupid." IMHO there are a great many idealogues, who kneeling in the shallows of their gene pool, are unable to think for themselves.

AS FAR AS A FAKE VIDEO, how about the other 52,499 video results

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Oh, I’m sorry, the shallow end of gene pool comment was meant to be a compliment and not an insult. Silly me.

Dude, you posted a fake video with Miley Cyrus in it as proof that it is easy to modify a semi-auto to full -auto. You have no credibility.

It takes machining and parts to modify a semi-auto. Not easy.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Yes, they can, but not easily as was stated. Requires parts and machining equipment and skills. They cannot, as Joe said, be modified with a paper clip.

Bob Summers 1 month, 2 weeks ago

But what? Education. Government inculcation centers, aka schools, should teach firearm safety in first grade.

Firearms are not going anywhere. It is time to identify the hoplophobes at a young age.

Richard Aronoff 1 month, 2 weeks ago

The shooter's brother has been quoted as saying Paddock had no political affiliation or religious affiliation. "He just snapped." But the amount of planning involved in this shooting is not indicative of someone who "just snapped." The shooter had nine guns and was in the hotel for several days.

It's been reported that he was known to local police but those reports don't say why.

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I don't think they are saying that that he was known. They are saying he was unknown, except for one citation years ago.

"What's unique for us is the gunman, the shooter, and the person with him, we in the Mesquite Police Department have not had any contact with these people in the past. We haven't had any traffic stops, any law enforcement contact, no arrests or nothing," Averett said. Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

It has been reported that Paddock was a Muslim and ISIS has claimed responsibility.

Charles Jones 1 month, 2 weeks ago

From the Associated Press:The FBI says the shooter who killed 58 people and injured more than 500 others at a Las Vegas concert had no connection to an international terrorist group.

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You do realize that the Independent and the Mirror aren't actually good, credible sources, right? (Silly me, of course you don't, why even bother to ask?)

Evan Taylor 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Well, since I got a "page not found" error, no, it isn't legit enough for me.

Steve Jacob 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I think we need to talk about the difference between a "gun" and "automatic weapon". Guns can be a defensive weapon, automatic weapons are made to kill people.

John Middleton 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Yes, you can legally own a fully automatic weapon (rifle or pistol). All you need to do is fill out the ATF form 4, have your local sheriff sign the form, submit it with your fingerprint card and a $200 fee, then wait the 3-6 months it takes for the processing and background check. This allows you to own the one specific weapon you listed on your Form 4. But if you then take it to the range and let your buddy shoot it, you have both broken the law because your buddy doesn't have a Form 4 for that weapon. And any time you take that weapon out of your home, listed on the Form 4, you are required to have the form in your possession to prove your legal ownership. You can go the quick and easy way and purchase a legal weapon, go to you-tube and follow their instructions (which usually require some precise machining) and you can then have your weapon fire in full automatic mode. The only problem is that you are now a criminal by owning this home-made weapon. You can legally own the semi-automatic weapon or you can legally own the parts required to convert a weapon to full automatic. But if you own both the parts and the weapon, even if they are not assembled together, ATF says that you are a criminal in possession of a fully automatic weapon. If you have the weapon and your buddy has the parts, and you both go together to the range with them, your are both criminals. If you machine the parts and give/sell them to your buddy, you are probably in for a long, expensive journey through the federal justice system. Unfortunately these laws only prevent people from owning illegal weapons who are already law-abiding people and would not engage in this illegal activity. You only have to fear the criminals. They don't give a darn about your laws.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

So, we'll be holding this as evidence of the evil of all elderly white men now right? That's how this works when the attacker is Muslim.

And clearly this would have never happened if gun laws were even weaker.

Cue the gun nuts saying nothing could have been done to stop this while ignoring the rest of the civilized world's solution that works.

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

What specific gun control measures do you propose? Which of those would have prevented this incident?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Nothing can prevent attacks with 100% certainty but how about having laws even half as strict as the UK, Australia, etc?

Maybe people need to start coming to terms with the fact that 'freedom' that causes the ease of obtaining fire arms is not worth the deaths.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Give us an example of what the law would look like that you think would help.

Mass murders are common in France and the UK. Some are committed with guns while others use bombs or trucks.

There was just a terrorist attack in Canada.

But seriously, how would the law read that you want here.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Last year there were 95 deaths due to terrorism in France.

That's about the same number of American's that are killed EVERY DAY due to guns.

To equate European's gun related deaths to the US is absurd.

Oliver Nonfrankan 1 month, 2 weeks ago

The population of Australia is 24.13 million; the population of Canada is 36.29; the population of the UK is 65.24 million; the population of France is 66.29 million. Where as the population of the US is 323.1 million. Our country is large in terms of landmass as well as population, plus add to that fact the fact that even in this age of globalization we are still one of the largest melting pots there is.

There are no sound bite simple solutions to our problem with murder. If someone should kill using an airplane as a weapon or a car, should we start banning planes or automobiles?

Likewise, there is a big difference between someone's age, race and gender vs their world view. Plus no one has ever claimed that "all" Muslims were terrorists. That being said it only too 19 radical muslim terrorists for 9/11. If 1.6 billion muslims were all radical, we all know it would be a nightmare.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

If you add the populations of France, Japan and the UK you get a number pretty close to the United States...and a pretty diverse range of daily life cultures.

The three of them combined have about 1.04 gun related deaths per year, compared to the 10.54 the United States has.

If you just want to look at Europe, the EU has 508 million residents compared to our 323. Yet we have nearly double their gun homicides (6,700 in the EU, 12,000 in the US).

https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/#YearlyGunMurders

https://www.flemishpeaceinstitute.eu/sites/vlaamsvredesinstituut.eu/files/files/factsheet_firearms_and_deaths_in_eu.pdf

Oliver Nonfrankan 1 month, 2 weeks ago

"and a pretty diverse range of daily life cultures." Really??? Japan is one of the most homogeneous nations in the world. They do have some immigrants, and they even have minorities that have been there since the beginning such as the Ainu. Still the vast majority are ethnic Japanese:

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8e41283a2f93d096127408d43697cb1d.webp

As for the UK, while they have taken in many immigrants, many are from former colonial nations where though their individual cultures were unique, they were also exposed to British culture prior to their immigration. Also the big push for Brexit was because they did not want immigrants from the rest of the EU including the EU's (especially Germany's government) push to give citizenship to many peoples from Syria and other parts of the middle east.

You can add this country and that country to equal and exceed the size and population of the US, but the sum is not equal to its parts. Each country has their own way of dealing with guns and violence. Furthermore, one of the biggest over sights in your belief that laws alone will "cure" gun violence is the fact that you skipped over health care. Most of these other nations have national health care which includes mental illness. An unstable person not getting identified by society and getting the mental health care that he needs won't go away just because he(she) has a tough time getting a gun. They will simply turn to other methods of destruction.

Finally, If you truly feel the need to live in a very controlled yet capitalistic society, I suggest Singapore for you. They are a very prosperous city-state. Though their landmass is very small, they have a very heterogeneous society. They also have very strict laws for behavior in many areas for social behavior as well as political. They also have some of the world's strictest gun laws:

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/singapore.php

Of course they also had very strict guidelines for the hair cuts of males (up until the 1990's), chewing gum is also another thing that has certain restrictions, and on the bright side tobacco is also severely restricted. Nevertheless, it isn't the kind of society I would want to live in. There comes a point where some of us (especially a lot of Americans) do not want a big-daddy government casting a large net over what we can or cannot do. FYI, I have no connection to the NRA, but I have killed plenty of predictors in my day.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Daniel, no one equated it - merely pointing out their gun laws don’t stop terrorist.

Still, you haven’t said, what your law would be that would stop gun violence. Surely, you have some idea of what that law would look like?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Civilians can't own guns. Period.

But I realize that will never happen because gun nuts love their guns more than innocent lives.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Well good idea so start working on repealing the 2nd amendment so it can happen.

Tracy Rogers 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You can't prevent acts like this from happening, period. If someone wants to go out and kill people, they're going to do it, and nothing is going to stop them.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You're right.

But you can minimize the likelihood of mass causalities.

Go sort this list by number of gun-related deaths per capita:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Only 10 of the 75 countries listed have a higher rate than the United States...countries like Honduras, Swaziland and Columbia. Not exactly a great list of countries to be grouped with.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Eliminate US cities like Chicago, Detroit DC and Baltimore and the stats change significantly.

Doesn’t mean we don’t have a problem, just means our focus on the gun is thwarting meaningful solutions.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

That's just flat out wrong.

The highest per-capita gun deaths happens in the rural south and high plains of the west.

http://projects.oregonlive.com/ucc-shooting/gun-deaths

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

The stats look at per capita deaths based on entire US population. The fact that a rural area has a high per capita death rate is only relevant when comparing state to states. The high death rate in a sparsely populated area can result from just a few deaths.

The collective 1000 deaths in the cities I mentioned have a greater impact on our overall death per capita rate.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

No...it doesn't.

It looks at the death rate per 1000 people. Period.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You can’t even get your own numbers right. It is per 100,000.

Charles Jones 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Refusing to look at guns responsibly is thwarting meaningful solutions.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Guns are heavily regulated. Cities like Chicago have strict gun laws but high gun violence. So, I stand by my assertion that focusing on the gun is not the solution.

But I could be wrong, so tell me what is the specific solution you propose?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Fire Works are completely illegal in New Jersey and Massachusetts, and are 'highly regulated' in their neighboring states.

Wanna guess how many people are shocked when a firework goes off in New Jersey? (hint: it's zero)

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

So tell me how do we keep guns out of our country with a law? We can’t keep people or drugs and other contraband or FIREWORKS so a law banning all guns will not stop criminals from getting them will it?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You make the guns illegal on the federal level.

If they can't be purchased legally anywhere in the United States, they become MUCH harder to get your hand ons (if you can at all).

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Marijuana is illegal on a federal level - anyone have a problem buying it now?

How about cocaine or heroin?

How can the feds ban guns when you have the 2nd amendment? You have to repeal it or law would be unconstitutional.

You really believe there wouldn’t be guns smuggled into the US?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Marijuana can be grown in your basement. When you find a way to mass produce guns in your basement without getting caught, let me know.

Where exactly do you think the guns that exist around the world are coming from? Some of the guns used in the Paris nightclub shooting you mentioned elsewhere were manufactured in the US and sold to the group by a dealer in Florida.

Make it illegal to make, sell or buy those guns in the United State and watch the supply drop worldwide.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You demonstrate a lack of understanding about our country. How can you do this Constitutionally? Also, do you think the US are the only ones that make guns.

Are people making heroin in their basement too on a scale large enough to supply druggies?

You failed to address the guns already here.

You resort to being snarky to mask the lack of substance in your posts.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You asked me for what would fix it, not how I would get it passed.

Gun control cannot be passed in this country.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

And what is your specific solution? No one seems to have one. Maybe you do? At least I’ve put solutions out there.

Bob Reinsch 1 month, 2 weeks ago

There is no solution. Get used to it. And buy Kevlar.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 month, 2 weeks ago

The Second Amendment revisited....

"The right of the people to bear arms" (to defend themselves against the British) for a well-regulated militia (a military force of the citizens to defend against the British)

NONE OF THESE CONDITIONS EXIST TODAY.

Andrew Burger 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Do you want to really look at all the amendments and see which ones we can put words in to make them fit the agenda?

Brandon Devlin 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Silly Fred. . .as I've told you before, the Second Amendment was ratified after the Revolutionary War was already over. So it wasn't about the British at all. But you keep up the good fight.

Kim Watkins 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Fred, please stop twisting the Second Amendment - Word for word:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Where does it mention the British anywhere? Whether that is what was happening back then, or not...it does not mention that you can only bear arms if you are defending yourselves against the British.

Charles Jones 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Some solutions.

Treat guns like cars. Require licensure, insurance and periodic demonstrations of competency.

Increase liability on gun owners. Should any gun be used in crime or contribute to accidental death, the gun owner (purchaser) should be required to prove that reasonable actions were taken to prevent theft or misuse.

Incentivize the development of "safe guns" by removing the above-noted liabilities on such weapons. See NYT article on the gun industry/cultures war against such common sense ideas.

Increase liability on gun manufacturers for such things as providing their product to gun shops that are known to be pipelines to gangs, etc. Read the NYT article on this practice. And upon those manufacturers who sell accessories -- such as expanded clips or modification kits -- used in criminal activities.

Allow the CDC to consider gun violence as a health hazard. Allow police departments to destroy confiscated guns.

Require that all gun training include interviews -- taped or real -- with people who have been involved in the gun death of a loved one, either accidentally or through neglect.

Require gun-glorifying games and movies to intercut a segment showing actual gun wounds on actual people. Hint: it's not as cute as Hollywood makes it out to be.

Shall I go on?

I know, I know, "the Constitution." Someone said that we need a "Statue of Responsibility" off the west coast. To remind "liberty" people that there needs to be a balance.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Well Charles, at least you tried.

As you pointed out some of the ideas are unconstitutional but let’s look at the other ones.

I have no problem with police destroying guns they confiscated after due process but I don’t think there is a law that stops them now. I know of it happening now.

No problem with marketing safe guns.

No problem allowing CDC to study gun deaths.

How about limiting violent games and movies to those 21 and older. The brain is better developed at that age.

Charles Jones 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Brock.. FYI.

Wichita Eagle, Feb 24, 2015

Guns that were seized as part of crimes will be sold by the city of Wichita for the first time.

A new state law requires cities to give the weapons to law enforcement or sell them, with the exception of guns that have been involved in homicides or are in poor condition.

More than 200 guns, of various makes and models, will be available on BudsGunShop.com for purchase by licensed firearm dealers, said Elizabeth Harlenske, assistant city attorney.

“Historically, we destroyed them to keep them from going back on the street,” said Sharon Dickgrafe, interim city attorney.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Crazy. I agree they should be destroyed if the police department wants to destroy them.

Thanks.

Charles Jones 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Limiting games and movies sounds like a good idea to me.

Brock Masters 1 month, 2 weeks ago

This is part of the problem.

Daniel, bless his heart offers up the solution of the federally government banning all ownership and manufacturing of guns in this country. When challenged on the constitutionality he offers this. Priceless Daniel.

‘Daniel Kennamore 15 minutes ago

You asked me for what would fix it, not how I would get it passed.

Gun control cannot be passed in this country’

A law that cannot be passed is useless, but let’s keep on focusing on banning guns.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Again, you asked for my solution not how to get it done.

There is literally no law that can be passed in this current political environment that would help.

As long as gun owners love their guns more than innocent lives, nothing will change.

Bob Summers 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Rumors have it this was a well orchestrated kinetic false flag event to overshadow the OJ Simpson release from prison.

Bob Forer 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I heard something about Two Guys from Harrison.

Richard Aronoff 1 month, 2 weeks ago

What can be done? We don't need to throw the 2nd Amendment out with the bath water. MACHINE GUNS ARE LEGAL IN NEVADA! How about starting there because that is the definition of WTF!

I heard that on the radio just now and immediately went to the Internet to see if it's true. Can we all agree that Newsweek is a reliable source? Do a search for "are machine guns legal in Nevada" and you'll find the Newsweek article.

Also, there are semi-automatic rifles that can be mechanically converted to automatic. How about making the conversion kits illegal and also require gun makers to design a gun so that conversion is impossible.

Hudson Luce 1 month, 2 weeks ago

The selective fire sear required to make an AR-15 into an M-16 is already regulated, and so is the select-fire switch. You'd have to have a gunsmith do the work, and the gunsmith would require the NFA form from you. Most mass-market news sources are not good references, you'd want to look at an NRA publication or a gun mag. I listened to the audio of the rifle shots, and the guy is firing a full-auto. He's got to have had a fair amount of practice, or experience. There's a lot that's really fishy about this - see http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452117/based-early-reports-las-vegas-shooting-very-very-strange The guy has no prior history - no political or religious affiliation, no job history, he just popped out of nowhere.

Steve Jacob 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I just don't under stand motive here. How do you stop a guy like this, no record, wealthy, no known affiliations, seems smart. How does a man like this become a cool calculated killer? , .

Kim Watkins 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Although I chimed in myself earlier, I can't help but notice that this turned into a debate on gun control, instead of talking about the event itself.

I have been watching the news coverage on this for most of the evening and I have to say that although this is one of the most tragic and senseless events in recent history, I have also seen and heard some amazing things about strangers coming together and even risking their own lives for others. Someone said something on the news to the effect that you saw ordinary people, helping ordinary people. This tragic day has a positive glow to it in seeing the humanity and the good in people. No one cared about race, religion, gender, etc...they just came together and helped one another.

My heart goes out to everyone who were/are involved.

David Reynolds 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I's amazing reading these blogs. Always blaming guns, and promoting banning them. Always pointing the finger outward.

Mass murders occur with various items such as firearms, cars, trucks, knives, a persons hands used as weapons, blunt objects like hammers, asphyxiation, fire, narcotics, drowning, poison, explosives.

Why just try to outlaw firearms? If firearms are outlawed are we next going after cars, a persons hands...?

The real issue here is not the instrument of death. The real issue is the state of mind of the person & the societal environment. I would propose that societal break down of values and norms combined with the political tactics used to divide the country are the real issue causing anger and hate...constant arguing.

The political tactics used are: personal destruction, identity politics, pitting members of society against each other based on color, ethnicity, economics, religion, political affiliation, and whether one disagrees with the latest "PC" issue or micro-aggression, or political issues like existence of global warming, or fanatical assault on President Trump. Social media is one of the worst offenders where people are abused by nameless/false identity individuals. Social media also isolates people from each other. Before social media people actually talked with each other. People are social animals and need face to face personal interaction. We don't talk with and discuss issues with each other any more, we just argue past each other.

There are some that just keep society in a constant state of churning and turmoil.

Our society is strained to the limit, and some can't take it and just lash out.

I believe the discussion should not be pointed outward to an inanimate object. I believe the discussion should be pointed inward, and with some self introspection ask how each of us can make our discourse and interaction environment better.

Outlawing guns doesn't change human nature or the environment in which society lives.

Bob Forer 1 month, 2 weeks ago

David Reynolds wrote: "Mass murders occur with various items such as firearms, cars, trucks, knives, a persons hands used as weapons, blunt objects like hammers, asphyxiation, fire, narcotics, drowning, poison, explosives."

Are you for real.? Ten minutes produced nearly six hundred victims. It is Impossible to replicate damage on such a profound scale with a persons hands, knives, hammers, etc.

Your analogy fails.

But you are deserving of a participation trophy. Where do i send it?

Oliver Nonfrankan 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Have you forgotten the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995? McVey killed 168 people and injured more than 680 people with his bomb in a van. A single individual could not kill that many people directly with an automatic weapon in an instant.

Perhaps you have forgotten that 9/11/2001 used airplanes to kill around 3,000 people and injure over 6,000. Granted it was multiple planes and thus did not happen in just one instance, but the ramifications changed America's culture even to this day...

More recently, it was a depressed German pilot who downed an airplane in the French Alps about two years ago.

If you think using bombs outside of a war zone is something fairly recent, note that America's largest school massacre was in 1927 in Michigan and was done via bombs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 1 month, 1 week ago

" McVey killed 168 people and injured more than 680 people with his bomb in a van."

And now they regulate the sale of ammonium nitrate.

"Perhaps you have forgotten that 9/11/2001 used airplanes to kill around 3,000 people and injure over 6,000."

And now we go through all kinds of trouble to get on a plane and pay for more air marshals.

When are we going to have the same reaction to gun deaths, since they have killed a lot more people.

RJ Johnson 1 month, 2 weeks ago

Bob, Sometimes you need to stop and think before opening your mouth!!

Michael Kort 1 month, 2 weeks ago

This is like watching the frog in the pot who fails to notice as the temperature starts to get up to the boiling degree .

How many years has it been since 911 ?..........16 ?........is that just blind mindless luck ?

Obviously, some people think that airport security is an imposition on their personal freedoms, not really necessary and they also believe that they could fly unaided but for the fact that the government has created lots of gravity in secret, to personally hold them down to the earth.........whatever .

Frogs in a pot and the temperature is wandering up........it is not hard to imagine some other idiot imitating this last one......a $200 bump stalk turning a semi auto rifle into an.automatic rifle......tall building..... overlooking a nearby music or other outdoor entertainment venue at night .

This is a Columbine Moment for would be idiots or terrorists who want to act out but who aren't as smart or as sick as this last one, who has shown them the way to personal fame, vengeance at the world.......or whatever thru this act .

Very, Very Sad !.........Frogs swimming around in the pot discussing how warm it is..... or isn't .

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 month, 2 weeks ago

You need to have a driver's license to drive a car.

You have to prove your citizenship to vote

You have to provide a social security number to open a bank account.

Why is it possible for any damned fool idiot to obtain military weaponry without any restrictions??

The Second Amendment spells it out in plain English,,,,( WELL REGULATED).

What does not anyone who can read plain English understand about this?

It is mis-read, twisted, falsely credited with rights that do not exist.

When will it end?

Andrew Applegarth 1 month, 2 weeks ago

When will your misrepresenting of the phrase "well regulated" end? Pretending that it means what you want it to doesn't actually make it so.

Further, do you really believe that the founding fathers would chose to utilize a militia instead of letting a government they didn't trust have a standing army and then turn around and just give that government the power to control the militia? How does that make any sense? (HINT: It doesn't and they didn't.)

So, in conclusion, the phrase "well regulated" does NOT mean controlled. It means precise, effective, accurate. It means that the people are sufficiently armed and able to use those arms in time of need.

Brandon Devlin 1 month, 2 weeks ago

It's just Fred. Move along, really, nothing to see here.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

"...Why is it possible for any damned fool idiot to obtain military weaponry without any restrictions??.." That's not been possible since the National Firearms Act of 1934. Try to keep up, Fred.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

"...You have to prove your citizenship to vote..." Not for long is the Democrats have their way!

Michael Kort 1 month, 2 weeks ago

I guess that if you rent an 1800 Sq Ft suite on the 32nd fl of a hotel in Las Vegas that nobody will question you as you bring 24 rifles ( 12 of which were equipped with bump stocks for automatic like firing ) into the building ?

On average there is a single mass shooting every day of at least 4 people somewhere in this country .

Now doesn't that make you feel safe ? !

I don't know how many of the people at that concert in Las Vegas were carrying a gun but we have pretty much learned from experience that no one was protected by having a gun on themselves ......say that it isn't so !

According to a news report the shooter had tried to rent a hotel accommodation before this last one, that would have looked out over a large hip hop concert venue but the room that he wanted to rent,.... wasn't available...........those hip hoppers were very, very lucky ! ! !

When are the rural NRA supporter folks going to figure out that they or their kids risk a violent death by gun shot, for simply being in any kind of a major city, university town and maybe even at home, etc.?

I hope that never happens but we are down the rabbit hole in this country with guns and NRA talk of it being "the shooters fault" and not the fault of how mindlessly quick someone can build up an arsenal of MERDEROUS power..........that still won't stop an M1A1 tank, an F-22 or make anyone individual the realistic military $ equivalent of the US Government, which was the framers intent conserning the right to arms to defend against governmental tyrants .

Times change and now you have the right to be a target at a country music festival of some deranged brilliant murderous idiot who owns a semi automatic rifle with a bump stock !

Geoff Ermlap 1 month, 2 weeks ago

somewhere between the second amendment, which I support, and hauling 32 guns into a hotel, a line has been crossed. If this person thought they needed 32 weapons to protect themselves, maybe they should have reconsidered whether it was safe for them to use this hotel. If his purpose, which we now know, was to murder as many people as he could then the second amendment argument was left behind. The debate is now about where do we draw the line.

Gary Stussie 1 month, 2 weeks ago

32 weapons in the hotel, another 2 dozen in his home. News suggests they were all accumulated with in the past year or so. Wondering why assembling this amount of weaponry did not get ATF or FBI attention.

Gary Stussie 1 month, 1 week ago

History suggests (strongly) that very bad things happen when governments disarm their citizens!

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/12/29/back-to-the-future-what-history-teaches-about-gun-confiscations/

Venezuela is the latest example, having banned guns for private citizens a mere four years ago.

The Second Amendment is not in place so people can go hunting for deer. Thomas Jefferson summed it up ..."The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

People testing positive for the Liberal gene should be banned from being anywhere near firearms.

Gary Stussie 1 month, 1 week ago

The above cited history of "very bad things" happening when the government confiscates the weapons goes back much father then the 20th century...

The word pronounced "karate" has almost universally referred to the written kanji characters meaning "empty hand"(空手).

Karate, the use of unarmed combat techniques, is thought to have originated in Okinawa as a result of he political centralization of Okinawa by King Shō Hashi in 1429 and the policy of banning weapons by King Shō Shin in 1477.

Some pretty despicable historical figures understood the threat posed by an armed citizenry:

“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.” ...Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6, 1938

Mass murderer Adolf Hitler at a dinner talk on April 11, 1942 said: ...“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country.”

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